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Sean dyche sacked,no more harm football, how does everton survives relegation every year dey muzz me.

raumdeuter:


My disdain for Henry stems from how overrated he is. I dont consider Arsenal a rival or the French team. Cos I stan some French players n his generation. Zidane is probably my all time favorite player. Like most of the Arsenal team, Henry was simply overrated. He was the best player in a 2nd to 3rd tier league simple. Its like being the best player in French or Portuguese league now. If you are talking about the EPL you have to put into context the level of the league.

Its like comparing Eedris Abdulkarim to Burna Boy. Sure they were both best in Nigerian music industry in their times, But what was the level of the Nigerian music industry globally at the time Eedris was dominating vs when Burna is Number 1?
EPL is Naija music industry, Henry is Eedris and Salah is Burna.

People say flattering things about fellow footballers, Its a form of Esprit de corp, I am sure if you ask Messi he can say player X and player Y were better but we the watchers know

Shearer was playing in the backwater EPL of that time where by knockout stages of CL they have all been eliminated. He was a strong header of the ball. Blackburn won 1 EPL title at the time when EPL was pure garbage. As English champions they finished last in a group of Spartak Moscow(Russia), Rosenburg(Norway) and Legia Warsaw(Poland). This will give you an idea of th level of EPL when Shearer was reigning

It was close to 5th tier

Shearer was a Ballon D'or finalist as well. EPL player of the year on multiple occasions and all the better players that came after him still can't break his record even though most other EPL records have been broken. That is telling.

I also think it was beyond courtesy when Batigol called Shearer the greatest. Shearer was more sure-fire to score a chance than Salah would ever be. Salah himself does not even think he is adequate enough for Liverpool. He is on video itting that had KdB played for Liverpool and not City, then Liverpool would have won all those league titles rather than City.

That's an indictment of himself.

What's more, his own players echoed same. VVD, TAA - heck, even Klopp. Players in Henry's day referred to him as same. But the players currently playing with Salah still think they need someone else to elevate them.

Nah, this is no EPL GOAT. He is not even sniffing it.

Yesterday, had Liverpool gotten a PK and Salah converted, the overrated arguments vs Henry would have been whitewashed for Salah. You'd have called it big game cojones even though we watched him all game contribute zilch to his team. And we've seen that happen numerous times this season that is supposed to be his Ballon D'or campaign?

raumdeuter:


Henry dominated English football at a time it was not the top league and not the top destination for footballers. I the huge sigh when Veron signed for Man Utd and some form of consensus on how he deserved to play at a better team/league.
Unlike Salah who dominated EPL when EPL is a top league.

time

You mean Epl wasn't a top league in 2001- 2006?

Let's forget the fact that Man utd won Ucl in 1999, didn't Henry lead Arsenal to beat Real Madrid during this period only to lose to Barcelona in the final?

airmark:


You mean Epl wasn't a top league in 2001- 2006?

Let's forget the fact that Man utd won Ucl in 1999, didn't Henry lead Arsenal to beat Real Madrid during this period only to lose to Barcelona in the final?

Monaco also beat Real Madrid in 2004 and lost in the final. Was the French league a top league at that time?

raumdeuter:


Monaco also beat Real Madrid in 2004 and lost in the final. Was the French league a top league at that time?

Were they not disgraced in the UCL final?

KDB does not have the injury record to be EPLs greatest, but he is my favourite AM of all time, and that includes worldwide not just EPL. Will choose him over Zidane, Lampard and co. Unfortunately he doesn't have the clutch moments to crown his talent so his argument is weak, but a good coach will pick over any other AM. EPL greatest like GOAT argument is a matter for forwards, same reason we don't mention CAMs when arguing Pele, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldo. EPL GOAT argument is strictly between Henry, Ronaldo, Salah and Shearer with Henry in the lead until Salah sures him this season.

Android17:
Shearer was a Ballon D'or finalist as well. EPL player of the year on multiple occasions and all the better players that came after him still can't break his record even though most other EPL records have been broken. That is telling.

I also think it was beyond courtesy when Batigol called Shearer the greatest. Shearer was more sure-fire to score a chance than Salah would ever be. Salah himself does not even think he is adequate enough for Liverpool. He is on video itting that had KdB played for Liverpool and not City, then Liverpool would have won all those league titles rather than City.

That's an indictment of himself.

What's more, his own players echoed same. VVD, TAA - heck, even Klopp. Players in Henry's day referred to him as same. But the players currently playing with Salah still think they need someone else to elevate them.

Nah, this is no EPL GOAT. He is not even sniffing it.

Yesterday, had Liverpool gotten a PK and Salah converted, the overrated arguments vs Henry would have been whitewashed for Salah. You'd have called it big game cojones even though we watched him all game contribute zilch to his team. And we've seen that happen numerous times this season that is supposed to be his Ballon D'or campaign?

Shearer was top 3 in 1996 on the back of the Euro 96. Same reason Jorginho was top 3 in 2021, Torres was in 2008.

What record is to break that Shearer holds? He is a striker and played ALL his career in the EPL. How many strikers have played ALL their career in EPL? That record would have been broken by Kane if he didnt go to Bayern last season

Batigol was a better striker than Shearer. Batigol was just being polite. Shearer went to World cup 98 and was dominated by Owen. Where was this surefire scorer? Not forgetting they missed the world cup in 1994

Salah itting that KDB inclusion to Liverpool could have made a difference is not a big deal, It shows KdB was a great midfielder. The loads of injuries will have to count against KdB. City was a more stacked team than Liverpool

Henry was leading Arsenal when Man Utd was winning 3 in a row, when Chelsea came and was dominating the league, Where was this Henry at that time

Yesterday was a Carabao cup semi final, Salah has shown up in bigger games than this. Salah has 8 goals 5 assists in 15games vs Man city, the biggest team in EPL history. This is at a time when the EPL is very strong and one of the top 2 leagues not when Henry was doing it when EPL was a 4th or 5th ranked league

Every season Salah has led his team to knockout stages, led them to 3 CL finals. Salah has 46 CL goals in 85 appearances, Henry has 50 CL goals in 112 appearance. Henry was a complete disgrace in Europe.

airmark:


Were they not disgraced in the UCL final?

The same way Arsenal was

raumdeuter:


Dem dey talk EPL greatest not by CL

Henry is the greatest EPL attacker not by what he did in the CL

These are basic things

No need to argue it, until Salah wins another Epl and golden boot to match Henry.

raumdeuter:


The same way Arsenal was

Arsenal lost by a goal margin, Monaco were outclassed 3-0.

Android17:
Shearer was a Ballon D'or finalist as well. EPL player of the year on multiple occasions and all the better players that came after him still can't break his record even though most other EPL records have been broken. That is telling.

I also think it was beyond courtesy when Batigol called Shearer the greatest. Shearer was more sure-fire to score a chance than Salah would ever be. Salah himself does not even think he is adequate enough for Liverpool. He is on video itting that had KdB played for Liverpool and not City, then Liverpool would have won all those league titles rather than City.

That's an indictment of himself.

What's more, his own players echoed same. VVD, TAA - heck, even Klopp. Players in Henry's day referred to him as same. But the players currently playing with Salah still think they need someone else to elevate them.

Nah, this is no EPL GOAT. He is not even sniffing it.

Yesterday, had Liverpool gotten a PK and Salah converted, the overrated arguments vs Henry would have been whitewashed for Salah. You'd have called it big game cojones even though we watched him all game contribute zilch to his team. And we've seen that happen numerous times this season that is supposed to be his Ballon D'or campaign?

Say no more, we all saw how useless Dalot kept him in his pocket all game. Even scummies were surprised.

airmark:


No need to argue it, until Salah wins another Epl and golden boot to match Henry.

Salah is odds on to win the EPL this season, If Salah a winger is dragging golden boot with Henry who spent most of his time at Arsenal as a striker

airmark:
Arsenal lost by a goal margin, Monaco were outclassed 3-0.

Both took the losers medal home

Ibime:


Be quiet. Nobody here rated Mount super crazy but we stepped up to defend him when he was being attacked by Havertz fans because we saw he had more midfield ability in his left toe than a fake generational talent we were being gaslighted was world class when we could all see he couldn't do ANY midfield basics

What were you smoking when you were gaslighting us with the below. You should be shot in the blockos for this.

Even you dont believe your lies.

Not in the mood to start quoting what not and bringing back all your silly arguments.

Whatever you think Kai is now may be Arsenal fans headache, you can engage them in your usual tirades.

We don see your Mount wey fit do all the midfield basics

airmark:


That's why Mikel had to rush and meet those Chelsea directors to let them know we couldn't continue with Jackson.

Till now i still can't believe how an old Chelsea fan, who watched Hasselbaink, Drogba, Anelka, Costa, would adopt Jackson as his son.

If you mention Haaland, Gyokeres, Osimhen, Isak, you will be gazing at your ceiling for several seconds before you could another manageable striker in this era.

David Jonathan

Android17:


You're making some good points but your disdain for Henry is well-known so reader's discretion is advised. Henry's overall ranking in football pantheon tanked due to some big game fumbles but we are talking EPL here. Salah does not qualify for football pantheon to the same degree.

I wanted to address the Shearer points more because some of your points are flat out blasphemous.

Here is a list of strikers and coaches in his day that itted he was better than them or their strikers:

1. Batistuta.
2. Del Piero.
3. Trezeguet.
4. Marcelo Lippi
5. Ferguson

Ferguson tried to buy him for a world record fee in 98. United won treble 99, 3 peat up to '01. There's no telling what United achieve with him.

Playing for Blackburn between 93-96 was nothing to slouch at. That was City/CFC of his day before their financial issues and his records there speak loudly.

From what I can tell, what did him in was ligament injuries that did not have the evolution of medicine today that it lacked in 97. So injuries like that could derail world class players like El Fenomeno as well.

Did you say Barca did not want him? They did. I actually mixed up the story. They wanted him or Ronaldo. He rejected them.

Omo ehn

I kan dey doubt my memory .

Raumdeuter wetin happen na. A whole igwe

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Even you dont believe your lies.

Not in the mood to start quoting what not and bringing back all your silly arguments.

Whatever you think Kai is now may be Arsenal fans headache, you can engage them in your usual tirades.

We don see your Mount wey fit do all the midfield basics

Be quiet, Mount had been here for 1 year before Havertz and we weren't raving about him

Till a useless German came along and some ITKs tried to tell us someone who couldn't trap ball, turn or press properly as a CM was World Class and started attacking Mount every day for "taking his spot"

Mr Gaslighter, your Havertz was useless and always was

Mount has been suffering with injuries for 2.5 years right from his last year with Chelsea, his business outside is none of our concern, nobody called him World Class.

You made as if we don't know football, gaslighting us about Havertz as if our eyes are deceiving us, only to look a fool now.

Ibime:


Nobody on this thread is a super fan of Mount. Na Una Havertz fan boys wey carry Mount matter for head. We would have been happy to send Mount to development squad if Havertz came as d but alas Havertz is painful and disgusting to watch.

We don't care about Mount, we just respect meritocracy, and based on meritocracy, Havertz should be sent to development squad and Barkley, RLC and Conor Gallagher sef should protest how they were sent away for that fraud, talkless of Mount.

Ibime:


Be quiet, Mount had been here for 1 year before Havertz and we weren't raving about him

Till a useless German came along and some ITKs tried to tell us someone who couldn't trap ball, turn or press properly as a CM was World Class and started attacking Mount every day for "taking his spot"

Mr Gaslighter, your Havertz was useless and always was

Mount has been suffering with injuries for 2.5 years right from his last year with Chelsea, his business outside is none of our concern, nobody called him World Class.

You made as if we don't know football, gaslighting us about Havertz as if our eyes are deceiving us, only to look a fool now.

Havertz da generational fraud! Lol

Hope arssssnal can help us with Nkunku,Sanchez, Fofana and co

raumdeuter:


Shearer was top 3 in 1996 on the back of the Euro 96. Same reason Jorginho was top 3 in 2021, Torres was in 2008.

What record is to break that Shearer holds? He is a striker and played ALL his career in the EPL. How many strikers have played ALL their career in EPL? That record would have been broken by Kane if he didnt go to Bayern last season

Batigol was a better striker than Shearer. Batigol was just being polite. Shearer went to World cup 98 and was dominated by Owen. Where was this surefire scorer? Not forgetting they missed the world cup in 1994

Salah itting that KDB inclusion to Liverpool could have made a difference is not a big deal, It shows KdB was a great midfielder. The loads of injuries will have to count against KdB. City was a more stacked team than Liverpool

Henry was leading Arsenal when Man Utd was winning 3 in a row, when Chelsea came and was dominating the league, Where was this Henry at that time

Yesterday was a Carabao cup semi final, Salah has shown up in bigger games than this. Salah has 8 goals 5 assists in 15games vs Man city, the biggest team in EPL history. This is at a time when the EPL is very strong and one of the top 2 leagues not when Henry was doing it when EPL was a 4th or 5th ranked league

Every season Salah has led his team to knockout stages, led them to 3 CL finals. Salah has 46 CL goals in 85 appearances, Henry has 50 CL goals in 112 appearance. Henry was a complete disgrace in Europe.

At least you've now itted that he was not being whitewashed to make a Ballon D'or podium finish. He has more top 10 placements than Salah as well. If the award gets diluted, it will have to dilute Zidane's as well since he won his in Shearer's era.

Next, Maradona is being touted as Football GOAT but not La Liga's because they are not the same. That's why CR7 is not in any meaningful EPL GOAT discussions. You can claim anyone is better than Shearer overall, but when it comes to the EPL - you have to use ONLY the EPL. Otherwise I can bring up Salah in Fiorentina/Roma to tarnish his image.

How can playing in the EPL be a disadvantage to a player in EPL GOAT debates? I think you need to think that point through. Same way, you're making arguments about Salah's achievements but pivoting to KdBs injury to exclude him. If the injuries were that debilitating, should Salah not have gone on to achieve more? Why let an injured player play 6 months and still bitchslap you?

And how did we conclude that City's team was better stacked? Yeah, we only claimed so based on winning. This is the same Liverpool team Klopp had last season. When KdB returned from injury, Salah's manager itted that the whole of the EPL was shaking because of his return. It seems injuries don't factor when KdB is discussed. But now that Liverpool are being better coached under Slot, Salah needs to win this league title to rival Henry. LOL. Never mind the gap of 4 KdB will still have over him if Liverpool win another EPL title this season.

If Salah only needed another EPL title to be the GOAT, would Kane have been EPL GOAT with 261 goals? You simply cannot have it both ways. You cannot deride Shearer or Henry's EPL status based on WC, NT appearances and unrelated matter but then bring up stacked squads to defend Salah. Between Salah vs Shearer who played in better squads? Did Rooney, Scholes, CR7, not play in stacked squads? Why did Gascoigne not play for a big club etc etc. I can return your arguments to you in mutual fashion.

And if Salah's G/A vs City is part of his GOAT credentials. We better include Aguero into this debate too. He is far retired and still has better big game stats than Salah ever sniffed and guess what? He won more.

09:


Omo ehn

I kan dey doubt my memory .

Raumdeuter wetin happen na. A whole igwe

Baba no dey like hear anything about Henry. Na why I no dey too waste my time on Igwe matter vs Raum.

It is like Hazard or Terry.

Ibime:


Be quiet, Mount had been here for 1 year before Havertz and we weren't raving about him

Till a useless German came along and some ITKs tried to tell us someone who couldn't trap ball, turn or press properly as a CM was World Class and started attacking Mount every day for "taking his spot"

Mr Gaslighter, your Havertz was useless and always was

Mount has been suffering with injuries for 2.5 years right from his last year with Chelsea, his business outside is none of our concern, nobody called him World Class.

You made as if we don't know football, gaslighting us about Havertz as if our eyes are deceiving us, only to look a fool now.

Who dey gaslight who?

The records speak for itself. Kai has a UCL medal - the crème de la crème of club football he won with us, scoring the winning goal. I'll always that

Whatever you think he is now is Arsenal's headache. Go and take it up with them.

Not in the mood to indulge in our usual unending arguments. See as he quickly give useless defense for Mount. Typical Ibime

diggz:




If not for ph00loshness.... no way we push out players like Guehi, Tomori, chalobah and co... Just to sign retards like Disaster, Fofana and co. By the way, Ice Cold Palmer is working well for you, no? In recent past, the likes of John Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole and Frank Lampard... have all worked well for you or not?

Well, you are not wrong.

Whizlight:
Guehi is solid even from his very first Chelsea debut

The guy is good though. Better than disasi, tosin and badiashile.

Android17:
At least you've now itted that he was not being whitewashed to make a Ballon D'or podium finish. He has more top 10 placements than Salah as well. If the award gets diluted, it will have to dilute Zidane's as well since he won his in Shearer's era.

Next, Maradona is being touted as Football GOAT but not La Liga's because they are not the same. That's why CR7 is not in any meaningful EPL GOAT discussions. You can claim anyone is better than Shearer overall, but when it comes to the EPL - you have to use ONLY the EPL. Otherwise I can bring up Salah in Fiorentina/Roma to tarnish his image.

How can playing in the EPL be a disadvantage to a player in EPL GOAT debates? I think you need to think that point through. Same way, you're making arguments about Salah's achievements but pivoting to KdBs injury to exclude him. If the injuries were that debilitating, should Salah not have gone on to achieve more? Why let an injured player play 6 months and still bitchslap you?

And how did we conclude that City's team was better stacked? Yeah, we only claimed so based on winning. This is the same Liverpool team Klopp had last season. When KdB returned from injury, Salah's manager itted that the whole of the EPL was shaking because of his return. It seems injuries don't factor when KdB is discussed. But now that Liverpool are being better coached under Slot, Salah needs to win this league title to rival Henry. LOL. Never mind the gap of 4 KdB will still have over him if Liverpool win another EPL title this season.

If Salah only needed another EPL title to be the GOAT, would Kane have been EPL GOAT with 261 goals? You simply cannot have it both ways. You cannot deride Shearer or Henry's EPL status based on WC, NT appearances and unrelated matter but then bring up stacked squads to defend Salah. Between Salah vs Shearer who played in better squads? Did Rooney, Scholes, CR7, not play in stacked squads? Why did Gascoigne not play for a big club etc etc. I can return your arguments to you in mutual fashion.

And if Salah's G/A vs City is part of his GOAT credentials. We better include Aguero into this debate too. He is far retired and still has better big game stats than Salah ever sniffed and guess what? He won more.

Its the same way Jorginho rode on the Euros to make top 3 Balon dor.

It matters the era you played, If you played in the weak era or the strong era. Refer to the Eedris vs Burna analogy. Salah is dominating in the eras when top players want to play in the EPL, when top coaches are in the EPL vs when Henry played and there were mostly tier 2 players and tier 3 coaches

Without KdB, Man city was still doing great in the league and have won multiple titles with minimal contributions from KdB shows how stacked City team is plus having the GOAT of all coaches manage them makes a world of difference.

Basically Salah had to play against City the greatest team to ever play in the EPL and Pep the Greatest football coach of all time. How was Henry and Shearer losing to? Ferguson?

If Kane made it to 261 goals he would be the greatest striker to play in the EPL. Best striker is not the same as best player. Salah is the best player to ever play in the EPL and by this season end it would be confirmed

Aguero is a top striker, Salah is a wing forward, Aguero played for the greatest team and the greatest coach. Salah didnt

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Who dey gaslight who?

The records speak for itself. Kai has a UCL medal ( the crème de la crème of club football )he won with us, scoring the winning goal. I'll always that

Whatever you think he is now is Arsenal's headache. Go and take up with them.

Not in the mood to indulge in our usual unending arguments. See as he quickly give useless defense for Mount. Typical Ibime

See as you abandon your KDB level player to Arsenal fans to defend. God go punish you for gaslighting us about that wack player from 2020 to 2023 🖐🏽
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09:

This was the same reason we lost out on De-bruyne. World class players do not just lose it. My problem with Lampard is most attcking players in that team are always trying to accommodate Mount - one way or the other (Did the same nonsense with pulisic few games back)

Ibime:


See as you abandon your KDB level player to Arsenal fans to defend. God go punish you for gaslighting us about that wack player from 2020 to 2023 🖐🏽
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As you sha wan make I indulge you. I'll allow it this time.

That comment is not the drag that you think it is. E be like say you no understand the queens.

My comment was directed at Lampard the underwhelming coach who at the time dropped Kai cos of how incompetent of a coach he was - A coach who thought all a player had to do was run.

Imagine my surprise when TT came and changed things and my boy won in a big way. You suppose dey praise me that I was proven right. I no kan understand your problem oo

How is kvara and Omar available this January and we aren't doing anything to get either of them. This club damn

09:


As you sha wan make I indulge you. I'll allow it this time.

That comment is not the drag that you think it is. E be like say u no understand the queens.

My comment was directed at Lampard the underwhelming coach who at the time dropped Kai cos of how incompetent of a coach he was - A coach who thought all a player had to do was run.

Imagine my surprise when TT came and changed things and my boy won in a big way. You suppose dey praise me that I was proven right. I no kan understand your problem oo

So you forgot the part where you called him elite and World Class and would be a KDB level fumble. Now you've left him to Arsenal fans, no longer a fumble. TT did the only thing he could which is what I recommended, play him as a striker, not what you recommended (drop Mount and play him as a 10). Lampard was already playing him as an 8. A 10 who can't play 8 is already a poor 10.

A one-footed player that couldn't turn in midfield, constantly misplaced simple es and touches, could not press in tandem with midfield partners, could not request the ball in tight spaces, yet you were gaslighting us that he's world class as if we are blind. Nah, Ogun must fire you for that ⚡⚡⚡

Douglas luis is also available on loan since Lavia has decided to be like Mount.

So now we are looking for guehi with torchlight. I bet we will go after Lewis Hall in 3 seasons for 80m. So much for pure profit or whatever they call it.

Omoluabi16:
So now we are looking for guehi with torchlight. I bet we will go after Lewis Hall in 3 seasons for 80m. So much for pure profit or whatever they call it.

Another classic fumble which I called immediately, unlike those distancing themselves from Havertz now