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Realtord43:
Rest or you know what I will ask...........?

Who be this Bambiala

Ronald Araujo? Bring.

He can defend wide spaces pretty well as a CB and e no dey do lightskin nigga style of defending.

Realtord43:
What is Kobbie Maino when we have Andrey Santos?

Calling santos from loan is going to be tricky for the board considering he is at our sister club. We are lacking depth in mildfield with lavia always injured and KDH unable to perform. That aside we all know a midfield of kobbie, palmer and caciedo will be outrageous. Im worried about experience tho

swiz123:


And just 9 tournament goals including penalties. I don't expect anything reasonable from you.

9 in 21 matches. You should be konked on the head

Android17:
An argument can be made for top 6. But the Mount Rushmore of the EPL should be players who are so graceful they could influence games without stats even though they had/ve great stats.

I think Salah misses the mark on this. But I agree with him being the GOAT of African players in EPL.

List the top 5 and let's see

You mean the graceful ways without stats of Okocha will be more appreciated than the effectiveness with stats to show of Lampard

swiz123:


When those Egyptians leave him on the flank to beat his man and do an actual wingers job, we visionaries do see him for who he is -- a system player.

When Messi was left to do an actual wingers job at 2010 world cup he scored 0 goals while his fellow systems players at Barcelona won the world cup that year for Spain

Android17:
Salah is not top 5 in EPL history.

He has great stats and he is extremely lethal that's all.

nawa ooo

Why am i not always excited whenever we want to sign an English player. Is Guehi really what we want or it’s just a quick fix.

raumdeuter:


When Messi was left to do an actual wingers job at 2010 world cup he scored 0 goals while his fellow systems players at Barcelona won the world cup that year for Spain

Show me the spoon he won for Egypt. You think it's by statpadding in useless matches.

raumdeuter:


List the top 5 and let's see

You mean the graceful ways without stats of Okocha will be more appreciated than the effectiveness with stats to show of Lampard

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

hensben:
Why am i not always excited whenever we want to sign an English player. Is Guehi really what we want or it’s just a quick fix.

Guehi is solid even from his very first Chelsea debut

hensben:
Why am i not always excited whenever we want to sign an English player. Is Guehi really what we want or it’s just a quick fix.

If not for ph00loshness.... no way we push out players like Guehi, Tomori, chalobah and co... Just to sign retards like Disaster, Fofana and co. By the way, Ice Cold Palmer is working well for you, no? In recent past, the likes of John Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole and Frank Lampard... have all worked well for you or not?

diggz:




If not for ph00loshness.... no way we push out players like Guehi, Tomori, chalobah and co... Just to sign retards like Disaster, Fofana and co. By the way, Ice Cold Palmer is working well for you, no? In recent past, the likes of John Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole and Frank Lampard... have all worked well for you or not?

Sometimes I just wonder how u guys that used to parade some of the best defenders in the league like John Terry , Carvalho , etc end up with bums like Disasi and Badaishile .

BlueRayDick:


Sometimes I just wonder how u guys that used to parade some of the best defenders in the league like John Terry , Carvalho , etc end up with bums like Disasi and Badaishile .

Tuchains, Boehly and Egbahli happened bros.

Unlimited22:
Ronald Araujo? Bring.

He can defend wide spaces pretty well as a CB and e no dey do lightskin nigga style of defending.

For 100m or how much for another Dr Fofana?

raumdeuter:


List the top 5 and let's see

You mean the graceful ways without stats of Okocha will be more appreciated than the effectiveness with stats to show of Lampard

Culled based on Team Achievements, Individual awards, Stats, Aura/Grace, Global Influence and Peer-to-Peer recognition.

1. KdB
2. Henry
3. Rooney
4. Shearer
5. Scholes.

Some may differ on Scholes/Lampard but that is an example of stats + aura that Scholes had vs Lampard who just had stats.

Salah is cracking top 6 but when he does not score or assist in any game, he does not influence it. This happens way too often.

Salah is the quintessential system player. The system at Liverpool is essentially built for him. How they press in & OOP, the angle they constantly attack from, the penalties, the type of players they sign etc. So he has to catch some flak for Liverpool's relative lack of winning vs KdB/City for e.g in the years they competed.

PS: I did mention that the stats were necessary hence why David Silva, Dennis Bergkamp, Catona etc don't crack top 6.

Unlimited22:

Abukhodir Khusanov.


Your thoughts.

Txiki/George Mendez g.

TBVH, don't know much about him but video compilations show he is incredibly quick, perseverant and aggressive. Tends to go to ground quickly (as per sliding) but that leaves with age. Giving Rudiger+ Araujo+Ruben Dias Hybrid vibes.

Personally, I like Vitor more. He is touted as the Thiago Silva regen in Brazil. Intelligence for days. That Brighton and Sporting (were willing to pay £24M for an 18 year old) but Palmerias rejected it insisting on £30M or nothing - so he can become the most expensive defender in Brazil's history!

Sign me up.

monerozi5590:



An argument can also be made using stats to show that Salah is top five in EPL history.

His stats are up there. I've said so. The issue is, Kane's stats too where up there and nobody watched him for Tottenham and felt - this guy is as good as Henry.

Literally nobody.

Android17:


Culled based on Team Achievements, Individual awards, Stats, Aura/Grace, Global Influence and Peer-to-Peer recognition.

1. KdB
2. Henry
3. Rooney
4. Shearer
5. Scholes.

Some may differ on Scholes/Lampard but that is an example of stats + aura that Scholes had vs Lampard who just had stats.

Salah is cracking top 6 but when he does not score or assist in any game, he does not influence it. This happens way too often.

Salah is the quintessential system player. The system at Liverpool is essentially built for him. How they press in & OOP, the angle they constantly attack from, the penalties, the type of players they sign etc. So he has to catch some flak for Liverpool's relative lack of winning vs KdB/City for e.g in the years they competed.

PS: I did mention that the stats were necessary hence why David Silva, Dennis Bergkamp, Catona etc don't crack top 6.

What was graceful about the way Shearer played that wasnt about Salah or even Henry

Trevor012:

Drogba the fraud 😂

Opening ur mouth wide and shouting Fraud.... All d goals of lukaku how many trophies did he get?

Ibime:


This obvious fact about Havertz lack of any midfield ability whatsoever will pain the brain of the 3 Havertz gaslighters - Swiz123, Capaldi and 09 - who swore we don't have eyes to watch football and appreciate the generational talent in our midst.

Story story.

My position on Kai is very clear and well documented on this thread especially when he was with us. You can take up any further arguments with Arsenal fans

Maybe we should talk about your one and only Mason Mount. At least there's still some recourse with Kai

09:


Story story.

My position on Kai is very clear and well documented on this thread especially when he was with us. You can take up any further arguments with Arsenal fans

Maybe we should talk about your one and only Mason Mount. At least there's still some recourse with Kai

Be quiet. Nobody here rated Mount super crazy but we stepped up to defend him when he was being attacked by Havertz fans because we saw he had more midfield ability in his left toe than a fake generational talent we were being gaslighted was world class when we could all see he couldn't do ANY midfield basics

What were you smoking when you were gaslighting us with the below. You should be shot in the blockos for this.

09:

The problem with most people is u do not watch nor are u patient. Some of us have watched Havertz over the years and can easily tell u he's elite. This is his first season in a different league just coming off a severe Covid. You just need to watch his movement in games to see what I see.

This was the same reason we lost out on De-bruyne. World class players do not just lose it. My problem with Lampard is most attcking players in that team are always trying to accommodate Mount - one way or the other (Did the same nonsense with pulisic few games back)

raumdeuter:


What was graceful about the way Shearer played that wasnt about Salah or even Henry

Good question. Grace here means refinement. How poised they made what they do, look.

To that end, compared to all the strikers of his day, he was the most refined (which is interesting when you add his stat volume). But he elevated it with his precision and accuracy. Every angle you gave him the ball was a deadly chance. Headers. Left foot. Right foot. Penalties. Volleys. 1v1. Pace. Being decisive. Anything related to scoring Shearer did it at the highest level. And he was an incredibly talented long ball er!

Shearer did not miss 1 billion chances, score 2 and get 2 jammy assists. I even think he would have been better than Erling today if they were agemates and he was playing under Pep. Imagine his trophy collections had he signed for United in 98. I think Barca wanted him to replace El Fenomeno as well. Need I say more.

Henry is like Federer. Football was like follow come for him. You enjoyed watching him more. Every thing looks more clunky under Salah.

Android17:
Good question. Grace here means refinement. How poised they made what they do, look.

To that end, compared to all the strikers of his day, he was the most refined (which is interesting when you add his stat volume). But he elevated it with his precision and accuracy. Every angle you gave him the ball was a deadly chance. Headers. Left foot. Right foot. Penalties. Volleys. 1v1. Pace. Being decisive. Anything related to scoring Shearer did it at the highest level. And he was an incredibly talented long ball er!

Shearer did not miss 1 billion chances, score 2 and get 2 jammy assists. I even think he would have been better than Erling today if they were agemates and he was playing under Pep. Imagine his trophy collections had he signed for United in 98. I think Barca wanted him to replace El Fenomeno as well. Need I say more.

Henry is like Federer. Football was like follow come for him. You enjoyed watching him more. Every thing looks more clunky under Salah.

All these players I watched them for most of their careers. I started watching Henry from Monaco because he was team mates with Ikpeba. I will tell you that if you take away the English press white washing of Henry to justify his dominance of the EPL and make it seem a big deal, He was never regarded by most of the continent watchers, He was an epic choke in big moments. There were moments I was always sure that leave Arsenal and Henry, they are tame and will never do anything. No one feared them and no one did Henry.

Henry dominated English football at a time it was not the top league and not the top destination for footballers. I the huge sigh when Veron signed for Man Utd and some form of consensus on how he deserved to play at a better team/league.
Unlike Salah who dominated EPL when EPL is a top league.

Henry vs Salah it simply top player in a mid league vs top player in a top league

Salah is guaranteed to give you magic in big moments than Henry will. Henry is the type to pummel Southampton, Coventry and fade when the big games come, whether its for club or country, domestic or international. I dont want to even visit his NT career cos for the major wins, he was never a top 5 player for the NT. There is nothing Federer like in Henry. Its more like trying to elevate Andy Murray or the DelPotro into Tennis legend conversation

That said If Henry was Andy Murray(The Andy Murray comparison is being very generous, he is more like Gael Monfils), Salah was the Rafa Nadal. Power, precision, pace, efficiency plus the cojones to deliver at key moments

Now to Shearer, In his time, Shearer will not be a top 5 striker in Europe, its the same English whitewashing that he benefitted from. I watch the English whitewash most of their ex players and I genuinely laugh.. From Rio to Neville, to Carragher once they hold the mic they start polishing their mid careers.
If he was good enough at that time, he would have gone to a bigger team not get stuck at Newcastle and Blackburn, You really think Barcelona will go from a Romario, Stoichkov, Ronaldo, Players with tekkers for days to Shearer? Shearer was simply a Haaland who came earlier. The only English players good enough for that level of football were Lineker Gascoigne, Scholes and Rooney

To expand on this I will tell you that Ferguson was an above average coach who dominated a weak league and got exposed whenever he met real competition. He won 2 CL in almost 30yrs of coaching. 1 in the last minute, The other through the luck of penalties. The other 2 finals he made in his career, he was schooled like an elementary student in a Uni class

Take away longevity which is also due to its mediocre league, Its only Anglo centric viewers who will put Ferguson as top 7 coach of all time

Bobby Robson wanted Shearer at Barca for £15m, Barca said no and bought Ronaldo instead

Shearer also turned down Manure for his hometown club

Ibime:
Bobby Robson wanted Shearer at Barca for £15m, Barca said no and bought Ronaldo instead
Shearer also turned down Manure for his hometown club

The gap between Man Utd and those clubs at that time was not too wide. It wasnt like the Italian clubs of those days where the who is who were all playing. If he turned down AC Milan, Juve, Inter Barca, Madrid Bayern then that will be a feat not turning down Man Utd

Its almost like turning down PSV to stay at Feyenoord nowadays

raumdeuter:


The gap between Man Utd and those clubs at that time was not too wide. It wasnt like the Italian clubs of those days where the who is who were all playing. If he turned down AC Milan, Juve, Inter Barca, Madrid Bayern then that will be a feat not turning down Man Utd

Its almost like turning down PSV to stay at Feyenoord nowadays

As of 1996, Manure was the leading club in EPL without question. Newcastle had just made their way back from 2nd division in 1993.

Ibime:
As of 1996, Manure was the leading club without question. Newcastle had just made their way back from 2nd division in 1993.

Leading in England which was probably number 4 or 5 in Europe at that time

airmark:


For 100m or how much for another Dr Fofana?

Lol
I'd prefer a dry loan

raumdeuter:


All these players I watched them for most of their careers. I started watching Henry from Monaco because he was team mates with Ikpeba. I will tell you that if you take away the English press white washing of Henry, He was never regarded by most of the continent watchers, He was an epic choke in big moments. Salah is guaranteed to give you magic in big moments than Henry will. Henry is the type to pummel Southampton, Coventry and fade when the big games come, whether its for club or country, domestic or international. I dont want to even visit his NT career cos for the major wins, he was never a top 5 player for the NT. There is nothing Federer like in Henry. Its more like trying to elevate Andy Murray or the DelPotro into Tennis legend conversation

That said If Henry was Andy Murray, Salah was the Rafa Nadal. Power, precision, pace, efficiency plus the cojones to deliver at key moments

Now to Shearer, In his time, Shearer will not be a top 5 striker in Europe, its the same English whitewashing that he benefitted from. I watch the English whitewash most of their ex players and I genuinely laugh.. From Rio to Neville, to Carragher once they hold the mic they start polishing their mid careers.
If he was good enough at that time, he would have gone to a bigger team not get stuck at Newcastle and Blackburn, You really think Barcelona will go from a Romario, Stoichkov, Ronaldo, Players with tekkers for days to Shearer? Shearer was simply a Haaland who came earlier. The only English players good enough for that level of football were Lineker Gascoigne, Scholes and Rooney

You're making some good points but your disdain for Henry is well-known so reader's discretion is advised. Henry's overall ranking in football pantheon tanked due to some big game fumbles but we are talking EPL here. Salah does not qualify for football pantheon to the same degree.

I wanted to address the Shearer points more because some of your points are flat out blasphemous.

Here is a list of strikers and coaches in his day that itted he was better than them or their strikers:

1. Batistuta.
2. Del Piero.
3. Trezeguet.
4. Marcelo Lippi
5. Ferguson

Ferguson tried to buy him for a world record fee in 98. United won treble 99, 3 peat up to '01. There's no telling what United achieve with him.

Playing for Blackburn between 93-96 was nothing to slouch at. That was City/CFC of his day before their financial issues and his records there speak loudly.

From what I can tell, what did him in was ligament injuries that did not have the evolution of medicine today that it lacked in 97. So injuries like that could derail world class players like El Fenomeno as well.

Did you say Barca did not want him? They did. I actually mixed up the story. They wanted him or Ronaldo. He rejected them.

Android17:


You're making some good points but your disdain for Henry is well-known so reader's discretion is advised. Henry's overall ranking in football pantheon tanked due to some big game fumbles but we are talking EPL here. Salah does not qualify for football pantheon to the same degree.

I wanted to address the Shearer points more because some of your points are flat out blasphemous.

Here is a list of strikers and coaches in his day that itted he was better than them or their strikers:

1. Batistuta.
2. Del Piero.
3. Trezeguet.
4. Marcelo Lippi
5. Ferguson

Ferguson tried to buy him for a world record fee in 98. United won treble 99, 3 peat up to '01. There's no telling what United achieve with him.

Playing for Blackburn between 93-96 was nothing to slouch at. That was City/CFC of his day before their financial issues and his records there speak loudly.

From what I can tell, what did him in was ligament injuries that did not have the evolution of medicine today that it lacked in 97. So injuries like that could derail world class players like El Fenomeno as well.

Did you say Barca did not want him? They did. I actually mixed up the story. They wanted him or Ronaldo. He rejected them.

My disdain for Henry stems from how overrated he is. I dont consider Arsenal a rival or the French team. Cos I stan some French players n his generation. Zidane is probably my all time favorite player. Like most of the Arsenal team, Henry was simply overrated. He was the best player in a 2nd to 3rd tier league simple. Its like being the best player in French or Portuguese league now. If you are talking about the EPL you have to put into context the level of the league.

Its like comparing Eedris Abdulkarim to Burna Boy. Sure they were both best in Nigerian music industry in their times, But what was the level of the Nigerian music industry globally at the time Eedris was dominating vs when Burna is Number 1?
EPL is Naija music industry, Henry is Eedris and Salah is Burna.

People say flattering things about fellow footballers, Its a form of Esprit de corp, I am sure if you ask Messi he can say player X and player Y were better but we the watchers know

Shearer was playing in the backwater EPL of that time where by knockout stages of CL they have all been eliminated. He was a strong header of the ball. Blackburn won 1 EPL title at the time when EPL was pure garbage. As English champions they finished last in a group of Spartak Moscow(Russia), Rosenburg(Norway) and Legia Warsaw(Poland). This will give you an idea of th level of EPL when Shearer was reigning

It was close to 5th tier

Sean dyce sacked. Two managers sacked in 2 days.