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DaddyCoool:


I don't get. What do you find so funny?

what you said
" so there, you have your answer. And that’s why he is God"

Where did you find "your answer"

Why he is God?

gohf:
what you said
" so there, you have your answer. And that’s why he is God"

Where did you find "your answer"

Why he is God?

Who wrote this below? Didn’t I tell you that ONLY God could have always existed?

gohf:


He came from everlasting because he came from God

Did John not write In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God

DaddyCoool:


Who wrote this below? Didn’t I tell you that ONLY God could have always existed?

🤣 editing what I wrote.

He came from everlasting doesn't mean he always existed.

That's how eve went to change what God said and got deceived

gohf:
🤣 editing what I wrote.

He came from everlasting doesn't mean he always existed.

That's how eve went to change what God said and got deceived

I assumed it was a mistake. So YOU actually edited the Bible? Wow!!
OK, what does everlasting mean in your special brand of English Language?

DaddyCoool:


I assumed it was a mistake. So YOU actually edited the Bible? Wow!!
OK, what does everlasting mean in your special brand of English Language?

🫡

sonmvayina:


Logos simply means word.
According to the Torah, God spoke the world into existence...
What else do you have?
Bring it let see it..

No I mean logos acting as a person and creating the world instead of the Father just speaking it.
That's what I mean.

Would U accept if I bring the evidence
I don't want to stress myself or waste my time if U will not accept evidence from Jewish scriptures.

sonmvayina:


Ode, Messiah means anointed king.
Last time I checked, kings are human beings. Not divine.
The Messiah will be anointed with a special oil kept at the ark of the covenant. He will be a ruler and king.israel will become a monarchy..
And there will be world wide peace and no form of oppression. That is what I am looking forward to. Not to worship a man as god, that is called idolatry..

Resorting to abuse won't safe U.
Ancient Judiasm believed in a divine messiah.
Evidence abound everywhere in their scriptures.
We can start with Daniel 7

Qasim6:


In short

Na God died on the cross?

I hope U know divinity is the essence of God.
It's a substance and not a person.
So I don't understand where U arrive at God dying in the cross.

If I become a supernatural person and I become powerful. If I give another person my power, does that mean I am now that person? because I don't understand U guys question sometimes.

sonmvayina:


Ok..we both agree on something.

God is consciousness.... different cultures have different names for it/him/her

What's your basis, foundation for the statement: "God is consciousness"

DaddyCoool:


Atonement means reparation, reconciliation. But the atonement is NOT towards a third person, so why is all that necessary?

The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.

So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

SIRTee15:


The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.

So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

If one does a honest study on the scriptures, one would see that it is true, then the question of whether to believe it or not is left to the person. Are there evidences in the written word?—Yes, of course!

Nachmonides:



If one does a honest study on the scriptures, one would see that it is true, then the question of whether to believe it or not is left to the person. Are there evidences in the written word?—Yes, of course!

Argument about the trinity is not even something we see as an issue found in scriptures (both old testament and new testament). It's as though, the participants all knew and understood this truth.

There is no recorded controversy or confusion among biblical figures about the nature of God’s unity and plurality. For example, Jesus refers to the Father and the Spirit without needing to justify their oneness (e.g., John 10:30, John 14:16-17).

Nachmonides:



If one does a honest study on the scriptures, one would see that it is true, then the question of whether to believe it or not is left to the person. Are there evidences in the written word?—Yes, of course!

What is true? And what is the scriptural evidence for this your truth?
I don't want to assume anything.

SIRTee15:


What is true? And what is the scriptural evidence for this your truth?
I don't want to assume anything.

I was referring to the idea of the Trinity.

I have placed scriptural evidences all over this thread, Sir.

Nachmonides:


I was referring to the idea of the Trinity.

I have placed scriptural evidences all over this thread, Sir.

The idea of trinity if I could explain it simply, though not accurately, but for starters.

I would use the concept of water to explain the Trinity. Using the three states of water: solid (ice), liquid (water), and gas (steam).

"Think about water. It can be ice when it’s frozen, water when it’s liquid, and steam when it’s really hot. It looks different, but it’s all still water.

The Trinity is like that. God is one, but we can know Him in three ways:

The Father is like the source of everything, like the water.

The Son (Jesus) is God coming to us, like water we can drink or see.

The Holy Spirit is like steam, moving around us and helping us feel God’s love.


Even though they seem different, they are all the same God, just like ice, water, and steam are all still water."


Nota Bene:

While this analogy is helpful, it's not a perfect representation of the Trinity, as it could lean toward the theological error of modalism (the idea that God is one person showing up in three forms).

Nachmonides:


I was referring to the idea of the Trinity.

I have placed scriptural evidences all over this thread, Sir.

First U know trinity isn't written in the bible. What we see in the scripture is the concept of trinity.

Now let me ask U a simple question

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father?
Is the spirit of God a separate existence from the Father?

Nachmonides:


The idea of trinity if I could explain it simply, though not accurately, but for starters.

I would use the concept of water to explain the Trinity. Using the three states of water: solid (ice), liquid (water), and gas (steam).

"Think about water. It can be ice when it’s frozen, water when it’s liquid, and steam when it’s really hot. It looks different, but it’s all still water.

The Trinity is like that. God is one, but we can know Him in three ways:

The Father is like the source of everything, like the water.

The Son (Jesus) is God coming to us, like water we can drink or see.

The Holy Spirit is like steam, moving around us and helping us feel God’s love.


Even though they seem different, they are all the same God, just like ice, water, and steam are all still water."


Nota Bene:

While this analogy is helpful, it's not a perfect representation of the Trinity, as it could lean toward the theological error of modalism (the idea that God is one person showing up in three forms).

What U described is modalism not Trinity.
Trinity is One God existing/manifesting in 3 persons.
The 3 persons are distinct but not separate-meaning it's only one existence.

SIRTee15:


The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.V

Meta A.I posted by DaddyCool insists that Jesus is distinct from God his Father.
Jesus is not God his Father.
Jesus exist separately from God his Father.
Don't ndelude yourself.
Revelation 1:1. Revelation 3:5,12 is in your Bible.

Trinitarians invented the same being theory to cover up the Trinity delusion.

That delusion invented at Nicene in 326 AD and 381 AD chaired by Roman Emperor Constantine is not in the holy scriptures

SIRTee15:

So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

Oga , you have REMOVE Matthew 27:46 and Hebrews 10:10 from your Bible.

SirTee15 "Christian" rejecting the holy scriptures.
Na wa!!!

Janosky:



Meta A.I posted by DaddyCool insists that Jesus is distinct from God his Father.
Jesus is not God his Father.
Jesus exist separately from God his Father.
Don't ndelude yourself.
Revelation 1:1. Revelation 3:5,12 is in your Bible.

Trinitarians invented the same being theory to cover up the Trinity delusion.

That delusion invented at Nicene in 326 AD and 381 AD chaired by Roman Emperor Constantine is not in the holy scriptures


Oga , you have REMOVE Matthew 27:46 and Hebrews 10:10 from your Bible.

SirTee15 "Christian" rejecting the holy scriptures.
Na wa!!!

Another Jehovah witness has entered the arena.
Personally, I don't really see the need to discuss the scripture with U guys because Jehovah witness are not Christians.

People who believe Jesus is an arch angel cannot be called Christians.

However, I will be fair with U guys because the earlier JW guy on this thread was sweating as he saw how heretic beliefs crumbling when examined.

So I will do U the honour to step up....probably he's a baby JW, still growing

Now regarding trinity, answer this question

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.


WHAT JESUS DID FOR US IS SELF SACRIFICE NOT HUMAN SACRIFICE.
HE KNEW THE PURPOSE HE WAS CREATED AND FULLY EMBRACED IT.

answer the first question, then we will go into Christology to dissect the Father/Son relationship.

SIRTee15:


What U described is modalism not Trinity.
Trinity is One God existing/manifesting in 3 persons.
The 3 persons are distinct but not separate-meaning it's only one existence.

The ghost deity was added to the combo in 381 AD at Nicene chaired by Roman Emperor Constantine.

What a man made invention!

Janosky:


The ghost deity was added to the combo in 381 AD at Nicene chaired by Roman Emperor Constantine.

What a man made invention!

Leave Nicene alone. Focus on the scripture.
Answer my question

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

It's ok to reject the doctrines of church fathers but to reject what is written in the scripture automatically makes U an unbeliever.

That's why Jehovah witness are no longer called Christians.
Answer my question.

SIRTee15:


Another Jehovah witness has entered the arena.
Personally, I don't really see the need to discuss the scripture with U guys because Jehovah witness are not Christians.

People who believe Jesus is an arch angel cannot be called Christians.

However, I will be fair with U guys because the earlier JW guy on this thread was sweating as he saw how heretic beliefs crumbling when examined.

So I will do U the honour to step up....probably he's a baby JW, still growing

Now regarding trinity, answer this question

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Are you more christian than Martin Luther?
Martin Luther the protestant reformer opposed the Catholic church because among other reasons he found out from the scriptures that Jesus is archangel Michael.

This doctrine is well known and popular before your ancestors were born.

Oga go and do extensive research.
Don't expose your ignorance on this forum.

Janosky:

Are you more christian than Martin Luther?
Martin Luther the protestant reformer opposed the Catholic church because among other reasons he found out from the scriptures that Jesus is archangel Michael.

This doctrine is well known and popular before your ancestors were born.

Oga go and do extensive research.
Don't expose your ignorance on this forum.

Oga answer my question on trinity, I'm not interested in your heretic belief.

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

This is what I want U to answer.

SIRTee15:


Oga answer my question on trinity, I'm not interested in your heretic belief.

Your fellow Trinitarians devotees have debunked your false claims.

Your ghost deity taught them that Jesus is archangel Michael.

Go and argue with them.
Nah the same ghost deity dey teach una.

SIRTee15:


Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.


This is what I want U to answer.

Jesus Christ the word has a separate existence from the Father his God.

John 14:24 & Hebrew 1:1-2 is the answer in your Bible.

"the one not loving Me does not keep My words. And the word that you hear is not Mine, but that of the Father having sent Me"
Yahweh can not send Himself Isaiah 6:8.
Yahweh sent Jesus his son to speak Yahweh's word, John 14:24
Jesus is the word because he & Paul agreed that Jesus is the Spokesman sent to speak the words given to him by God his Father.

Do you SirTee15 agree with Jesus Christ and Paul, both apostles of God?

SIRTee15:


The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.

So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

My question is, WHY is the Father sacrificing at all when it's only Him involved - it would make sense if there were another person involved that needed to be appeased

SIRTee15:



Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

This is what I want U to answer.

Your Trinitarian mentors at Nicene in 381 AD made their holy spirit they installed as deity.

Jesus said holy spirit is God's finger often referred to as hand of God in your Bible.Luke 12:20 Matthew 12:28.
Egyptians agreed at Exodus 8:13 that Jesus is correct.

God has eyes , Psalm 11:4 ,ears,Nehemiah 1:6 & finger, Exodus 8:19 and mouth, Matthew 4:4.
Is God's mouth a person? No.
Is God's eyes a person? No.
Is God's ears a person? No
Is God's finger a person? Definitely not!
Constantine assembled men at Nicene to make it a deity in 381AD and instal l it as a being.

Origen and other church fathers never believed nor agree with that Nicene invention.
John 16:13 , holy spirit is referenced as "he" but "he" is not in the Greek manuscripts.
English translators of your Bible put "he" there because Greek Paraclete in John 16:7 is masculine gender in Greek language.
Holy spirit is personified as "he".
KJV Romans 8:16,26 accurately referenced holy spirit as itself because in Greek language holy spirit neuter,no gender.
"Christianity before emperor Constantine" go and study this subject very well and cure your delusion.

DaddyCoool:


My question is, WHY is the Father sacrificing at all when it's only Him involved - it would make sense if there were another person involved that needed to be appeased

No mind that guy denying the holy scriptures.
Did he remove Matthew 27:46 and Romans 8:3 from his own Bible?

Nachmonides:


Argument about the trinity is not even something we see as an issue found in scriptures (both old testament and new testament). It's as though, the participants all knew and understood this truth.

There is no recorded controversy or confusion among biblical figures about the nature of God’s unity and plurality. For example, Jesus refers to the Father and the Spirit without needing to justify their oneness (e.g., John 10:30, John 14:16-17).

John 10:30= John 17:21-22, Jesus, the disciples and God are One.

Jesus said so ,It is written there in your Bible.

The damage was done by men @ Nicene 381 AD..

Janosky:


No mind that guy denying the holy scriptures.
Did he remove Matthew 27:46 and Romans 8:3 from his own Bible?

But boss have you ever considered:
If Christ were not God worthy of worship, just look at all that had to happen for Him to be in that position, then ask yourself if man is really capable of doing all that. , He was totally FINISHED. Not only was he DEAD, his very few followers had scattered/denied him. He had no money, no connections, not even a church building or even a home. Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

SIRTee15:


God told Moses' Tell the people of Israel I AM has sent U'
Yes God told Moses his name is I AM.
Both bible and Jewish scholars agreed I AM pronunciation in ancient Hebrew sounds very much like Yahweh.

When Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM. The grammatical structure of the sentence doesn't make any sense if I AM is not used nominally. Jesus used 'I AM' phrase as a noun and not a verb.

If Jesus simply wanted to express his pre existence or pre awareness he would have said I Was or Abraham knew me.
Exodus 13

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Your footnotes reads @ Exodus 3:14
"I will be what I will be". the correct rendition of Hebrew Exodus 3:14
"I AM" is desperate attempt by Trinitarians to deceive themselves about John 8;58.

The screenshots evidence speaking the truth.

DaddyCoool:


But boss have you ever considered:
If Christ were not God worthy of worship, just look at all that had to happen for Him to be in that position, then ask yourself if man is really capable of doing all that. , He was totally FINISHED. Not only was he DEAD, his very few followers had scattered/denied him. He had no money, no connections, not even a church building or even a home. Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

Thanks for your comments.

When you examine Isaiah 6:8, Yahweh said "whom shall I send?
Who will go for Us?"
("Us" @Isaiah 6:8 proves that "Us " @ Genesis 1:26 is not 3 persons. )

If you compare Isaiah 6:8 with Psalm 103:20,you would understand this truth that Yahweh the Most High God, (the term "Most High" meaning Only One Being is Supreme ) Himself does not go to perform any assignment.
Rather, Yahweh sends lesser beings in heaven to do the job.
@ John 3:16, John 14:24,28, John 5:37 Jesus Christ provided the proof in agreement with Psalm 103:20& & Isaiah 6:8.
The scriptural evidence is God Himself did not come to the earth but His son was sent. Romans 8:3.
Revelation 1:1 & 19:6,10, Yahweh gave the message to Jesus in heaven to give the angel sent to John .
The message from heaven is "
Worship the God Almighty "

Worship was not meant for Jesus.
Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 19:5-10 is the evidence.
Thanks.
Shalom .