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Hi Uncle Daejumong, I am an unemployed 22yr old single parent who just gave my life to Christ.
I got a lucrative offer to help a rich childless couple carry their baby! My Pastor thinks it’s a SIN! I really need the money!

As we journey in this life, we will redefine so many things one of those things that will change completely is how man relates to God.

Daejumong:

Hi Uncle Daejumong, I am an unemployed 22yr old single parent who just gave my life to Christ.
I got a lucrative offer to help a rich childless couple carry their baby! My Pastor thinks it’s a SIN! I really need the money!

Did you ask him where it is written in the Bible that surrogacy is a sin? Since when doing people favour and getting compensation in return becomes a sin?
My advice to you is this learn not to rely on your pastors for advice, they are humans too and some of them are not exposed, you might be the first person to introduce the term surrogacy to him.

impeccablephili:

Did you ask him where it is written in the Bible that surrogacy is a sin? Since when doing people favour and getting compensation in return becomes a sin?
My advice to you is this learn not to rely on your pastors for advice, they are humans too and some of them are not exposed, you might be the first person to introduce the term surrogacy to him.

Surrogacy (or Artificial insemination with another woman not your spouse) amounts to adultery.
That other woman is not your marriage mate., therefore you have broken the marriage bond.

Surrogacy is the same thing as your wife agreeing that you impregnate another woman to bear you children.
The Bible principle still applies to this context.

If the couple that offered her the contract turn around and decline to accept the baby.
Then, what would she do?

The young lady should make a decision and stick with the consequences.

Please go ahead and do it. Las Las you leave the church.

Janosky:


Surrogacy (or Artificial insemination with another woman not your spouse) amounts to adultery.
That other woman is not your marriage mate., therefore you have broken the marriage bond.

Surrogacy is the same thing as your wife agreeing that you impregnate another woman to bear you children.
The Bible principle still applies to this context.

You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby, but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child.

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

On the issue of the couple declining to accept the baby. That scenario is very rare, the couple with surrogate mum usually enter into very legal contract that always involve lawyers. It will be very hard for either party to breach the agreement.

More so, the couple usually spend a lot of money, I am sure they may be offering the OP 20million naira and in most cases they pay at least 50% upfront, how will they now change their mind.

What the Pastor could have done is to guide her not to have sex with the husband but go for IVF instead.

impeccablephili:


You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby, but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child.

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

Janosky:


Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

The scripture you quoted above does not correlate with the issue of surrogacy, it talks about divorce. I just gave you the more suitable case study, and you claim that it has to do with Abraham . 2 Timothy 3:16 -17 says all scriptures are written according to the inspiration of God, is Genesis no longer part of the scriptures?

I've modified my reply above you can read it.

Janosky:


Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

Also surrogacy is different from artificial insemination

YES. AND PERFECTLY RIGHTEOUS TOO.

impeccablephili:


You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby, but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child.

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

On the issue of the couple declining to accept the baby. That scenario is very rare, the couple with surrogate mum usually enter into very legal contract that always involve lawyers. It will be very hard for either party to breach the agreement.

More so, the couple usually spend a lot of money, I am sure they may be offering the OP 20million naira and in most cases they pay at least 50% upfront, how will they now change their mind.

What the Pastor could have done is to guide her not to have sex with the husband but go for IVF instead.

Keep twisting the Bible to suite you, thats what my generation do.

Solsix:

Keep twisting the Bible to suite, thats my generation do

Sorry I don't get your point

Janosky:


[b]Surrogacy (or Artificial insemination with another woman not your spouse) amounts to adultery.
That other woman is not your marriage mate., therefore you have broken the marriage bond.

Surrogacy is the same thing as your wife agreeing that you impregnate another woman to bear you children.
The Bible principle still applies to this context.

If the couple that offered her the contract turn around and decline to accept the baby.
Then, what would she do?

The young lady should make a decision and stick with the consequences.]

Since you can make this kind of argument then you must see that your jwness is Satanism

Back to the post., i say, You are not correct under this argument

The spirit here is different.

Here, all she is doing is being an external human incubator.

However, where she sins is in placing herself as an accomplice being the one who might be entterfaring with God's Judgment placed on whorres.

impeccablephili:


You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation...

impeccablephili:


You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby[b], but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child. [/b]

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

On the issue of the couple declining to accept the baby. That scenario is very rare, the couple with surrogate mum usually enter into very legal contract that always involve lawyers. It will be very hard for either party to breach the agreement.

More so, the couple usually spend a lot of money, I am sure they may be offering the OP 20million naira and in most cases they pay at least 50% upfront, how will they now change their mind.

What the Pastor could have done is to guide her not to have sex with the husband but go for IVF instead.

The bold.
If she is born again, then she cannot commit adultery.

And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guiltyof of not sexualt adultery

Dtruthspeaker:


The bold.
If she is born again, then she cannot commit adultery.

And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guiltyof of not sexualt adultery

Like I said before, she does not have to sleep with anybody, it is just an embryo that will be implanted into her womb that will incubate the baby.

There is a church in Ibadan, the church was founded in mid 90's if could very well. The church now has one of the best medical facilities in Nigeria. The name of the church is Vine branch.

My younger sister worked in the hospital as ed nurse and she told me specifically that they offer surrogacy services to people. She narrated how many people they put laughter into their mouth as a result of the services. I believe if surrogacy is a sin they wouldn't have allowed it.

Non sexual sin, In of surrogacy is strange to me please prove it with bible reference.

impeccablephili:


Like I said before, she does not have to sleep with anybody, it is just an embryo that will be implanted into her womb that will incubate the baby.

There is a church in Ibadan, the church was founded in mid 90's if could very well. The church now has one of the best medical facilities in Nigeria. The name of the church is Vine branch.

My younger sister worked in the hospital as ed nurse and she told me specifically that they offer surrogacy services to people. She narrated how many people they put laughter into their mouth as a result of the services. I believe if surrogacy is a sin they wouldn't have allowed it.

Non sexual sin, In of surrogacy is strange to me please prove it with bible reference.

The bold is a fallacious argument. Sin does not stop being sin because a church accommodates it, which renders it an accomplice.

Sin transverses through natural process and God gave us an example of a none sexual sin in Mathew 5:28 a married person is guilty of adultery even though he has not yet physically had sex with his target subject.

BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS don't worship money! Matthew 6:24

So they can never be involved in such a mess!

Dtruthspeaker:


The bold is a fallacious argument. Sin does not being sin because a church accommodates it, which renders it an accomplice.

Sin transverses through natural process and God gave us an example of a none sexual sin in Mathew 5:28 a married person is guilty of adultery even though he has not yet physically had sex with his target subject.

I knew you will quote the sermon on the mountain that is why I stated that you should give example where bible states that surrogacy is a sin.

What you quoted has to do with lust that is, when you look at a woman and start iring her to the extent of thinking about sleeping with her. Now tell me how that relates to surrogacy.

The reason why those people opt for surrogacy is because there is no hope that the wife could give birth naturally, and they need someone to help carry their baby. Anybody could do it even the husband's distance relatives. It does not involve sex, but we read meaning to everything in this part of the world.

I believe helping people like that is what we call Christianity.

As regards the church I mentioned, I just cite them to Burress my point. If you think you know more than them or you are more holier than them. That is your own opinion.

impeccablephili:


I knew you will quote the sermon on the mountain that is why I stated that you should give example where bible states that surrogacy is a sin.

What you quoted has to do with lust that is, when you look at a woman and start iring her to the extent of thinking about sleeping with her. Now tell me how that relates to surrogacy.

The reason why those people opt for surrogacy is because there is no hope that the wife could give birth naturally, and they need someone to help carry their baby. Anybody could do it even the husband's distance relatives. It does not involve sex, but we read meaning to everything in this part of the world.

I believe helping people like that is what we call Christianity.

As regards the church I mentioned, I just cite them to Burress my point. If you think you know more than them or you are more holier than them. That is your own opinion.

Common sense does not tell you that this is also the same case of stealing when you steal a lexus in your mind? or killing a person in your heart?

Did you expect Jesus would repeat this for every sin on the earth?

Barreness is a curse from God, so woe shall be upon anyone who tries to bless who God has Cursed.

Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense does not tell you that this is also the same case of stealing when you steal a lexus in your mind? or killing a person in your heart?

Did you expect Jesus would repeat this for every sin on the earth?

Barreness is a curse from God, so woe shall be upon anyone who tries to bless who God has Cursed.

The common sense you quoted gave you out, because common sense has to do with logic, and logic is an act of thinking right. With what you said above, logically how does surrogacy relates lust.

Now because of the bolded I see no reason to argue with you again.

impeccablephili:
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The common sense you quoted gave you out, because common sense has to do with logic, and logic is an act of thinking right. With what you said above, logically how does surrogacy relates lust.

Now because of the bolded I see no reason to argue with you again.

"i pointed it out in my first response when I said
And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guilty of none sexual adultery"

And sorry Barreness is a sure sign that God has a cursed a person

Dtruthspeaker:


"i pointed it out in my first response when I said
And thinking. more about it, since the seed is in her womb, therefore, she becomes the mother and therefore, she would be guilty of none sexual adultery"

And sorry Barreness is a sure sign that God has a cursed a person

What you claim you pointed out does not make any sense to me, just explain to you that the principle of common sense is nonsense, because what is common to your sense might not be common to me.

@ the bolded, if I ask you to proof it biblically you will cite Saul daughters case. Now I can give you names of respected men of God from different denominations I mean bible believing churches that are childless. Infact one of them was the General overseer of a church. Logically speaking does it mean these great men of God were caused by the God they serve?

impeccablephili:


What you claim you pointed out does not make any sense to me, just explain to you that the principle of common sense is nonsense, because what is common to your sense might not be common to me.

@ the bolded, if I ask you to proof it biblically you will cite Saul daughters case. Now I can give you names of respected men of God from different denominations I mean bible believing churches that are childless. Infact one of them was the General overseer of a church. Logically speaking does it mean these great men of God were caused by the God they serve?

Common sense is,common sense because we all have it. Your desire not to use it because it prevents, what you want does not mean that you do not have it nor that you cannot identify it when it is giving you.

And wrong, Saul's daughter was not the first to be barren. God had Cursed long before that and if you had seen it, then you would know that anytime you see barreness, you see God's Curse in action.

Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense is,common sense because we all have it. Your desire not to use it because it prevents, what you want does not mean that you do not have it nor that you cannot identify it when it is giving you.

And wrong, Saul's daughter was not the first to be barren. God had Cursed long before that and if you had seen it, then you would know that anytime you see barreness, you see God's Curse in action.

Nothing like common sense, many philosophers have debunked it.

@the bolded may be you want to quote Leviticus 20:20-21 which God pronounced on people that sleep with their relatives.

If that is what you want to cite, I will now ask you to reason it logically why fathers are impregnating their daughters today, uncles impregnating their nieces while great men of God are childless?

You have not answered my question, and I will take it as you know there are men God that are childless. Does it means that God blessed the sinners and caused the faithful servants if you reason it logically you will realise that infertility is a medical condition that can be caused by many factors.

And more so, we are in the dispensation of grace and not dispensation of law.

impeccablephili:


Nothing like common sense, many philosophers have debunked it.
@the bolded may be you want to quote Leviticus 20:20-21 which God pronounced on people that sleeps with their relatives.
If that is what you want to cite, I will now ask you to reason it logically why fathers are impregnating their daughters today, uncles impregnating their nieces while great men of God are childless?

You have not answered my question, and I will take it as you know there are men God that are childless. Does it means that God blessed the sinners and caused the faithful servants if you reason it logically you will realise that infertility is a medical condition that can be caused by many factors.

And more so, we are in the dispensation of grace and not dispensation of law.

Please stop raising stupid arguments and off point issues. Common sense is,known all over the world, which is why it is called "common sense"

And you did not ask any question for Barreness is a Curse from God.

And more so, did you not hear that The Lord never changes and that you still see Him condemn fornication and adultery in the new testament? Stop deceiving yourself. The Lord changeth not!

Dtruthspeaker:


Please stop raising stupid arguments and off point issues. Common sense is,known all over the world, which is why it is called "common sense"

And you did not ask any question for Barreness is a Curse from God.

And more so, did you not hear that The Lord never changes and that you still see Him condemn fornication and adultery in the new testament? Stop deceiving yourself. The Lord changeth not!

I thought you are reasonable that is why I was indulging in conversation with you. Now that you have proven that you are not by insulting me.

I won't reply you again, and the questionI asked you when you said barrenness is as a result of cause from God is there are so many servants of God that are childless, that are they caused by the God the serve too.

Daejumong:
✓ Hi Uncle Daejumong, I am an unemployed 22yr old single parent who just gave my life to Christ.
I got a lucrative offer to help a rich childless couple carry their baby! My Pastor thinks it’s a SIN! I really need the money!

Your equally jobless pastor -- he probably has no other job apart from mooching off what he gets from you, his gullible sheeple--- is telling you that working as a surrogate aka womb-nanny is a sin? Are you for real?🫤

By the way, you didn't give your life to Jesus Christ of Israel but rather to Religion. Religion is a scam by the way.🙄🙄🙄

impeccablephili:


Also surrogacy is different from artificial insemination

If a married couple recruits another woman to be artificially inseminated to carry the pregnancy for them,, the Bible principle of adultery has been violated.

Janosky:


If a married couple recruits another woman to be artificially inseminated to carry the pregnancy for them,, the Bible principle of adultery has been violated.

Please read more on IVF and artificial insemination, and know the difference before you come and continue the argument. You are confusing artificial insemination with IVF. IVF is what is used in surrogacy.

impeccablephili:
✓ Also surrogacy is different from artificial insemination

Now of course there is nothing adulterous about surrogacy ,but I wanted to understand this difference you refer to in your own words.

impeccablephili:

Please read more on IVF and artificial insemination, and know the difference before you come and continue the argument. You are confusing artificial insemination with IVF. IVF is what is used in surrogacy.

If you & your wife agree make medical doctor carry your sperm (treat am for tube & use syringe inject your sperm) for another woman body to carry the pregnancy, you and wifey agreed to violate the Bible principle of adultery.

Kobojunkie:
Now of course there is nothing adulterous about surrogacy ,but I wanted to understand this difference you refer to in your own words.

Artificial insemination is when a male sperm is inserted into a female womb without natural way of using penis. This is done mostly when a man cannot impregnate a woman naturally, for example when the husband is sterile and sperm from a donor is used to fertilise the wife's egg or the husband is not around.

Surrogacy is when a woman cannot carry a pregnancy successfully as a result of many reasons, and another person(surrogate mum) is needed to help carry the pregnancy. IVF is mostly used in surrogacy.

In IVF the egg of the wife is fertilised with the husband sperm in the laboratory and fertilised egg is incubated for weeks in an incubator till it becomes embryo, and the embryo is planted into the surrogate mum womb.