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Re: Japa: Senior Lawyer Shuts Down Chamber To Become A Cleaner... [do The Maths] (906 Views)

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samuelson06(m): 3:11pm On Nov 25, 2024
I read through the thread and observed that many people are thinking the lawyer made a bad decision to have relocated to the UK. Now, let's do the Maths on the matter: considering that the man remains a cleaner throughout or in the next 10 years, he'll still be a cleaner.

Average hourly rate in the UK for a cleaner is £11.

For a day, if he does £11 x 10 hours (whether cleaner work or something else on the side).

That's like £110 a day.

Amounting to £110 x 25 days monthly (taking 5 days to rest).

That's like £2,750 monthly.

Let's say £1,000 for rent, food, and other expenses, which may not be up to that.

In a year, he'll make £1,750 x 12 months

That's like £21,000 per annum saved.

If he decides to stay in the UK for 10 years and return to Nigeria.

He'll be coming back with at least £21,000 x 10 years.

That's like £210,000.

Covert that to Nigerian naira.

£210,000 x 2,300 NGN (may be more by then).

That's like 483,000,000 NGN.

Man can build a small house then flex the remaining until death.

Now, I ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?
budaatum: 3:20pm On Nov 25, 2024
Except that your calculation is based on him remaining a cleaner forever.

He'd likely be a cleaner for much less than a year, and might be promoted to head cleaner, managing 100s of other cleaners and therefore earning a cleaner manager's wage which might be triple a cleaner's wage an hour. Or he might go to school and become a UK lawyer and earn 100 times what a cleaner earns.

Then ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?

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CodeTemplarr: 3:23pm On Nov 25, 2024
I doubt he can save €500 a month.
samuelson06(m): 3:27pm On Nov 25, 2024
budaatum:
Except that your calculation is based on him remaining a cleaner forever.

He'd likely be a cleaner for much less than a year, and might be promoted to head cleaner managing 100s of other cleaners and therefore earning a cleaner manager's wage which might be triple a cleaner's wage an hour. Or he might go to school and become a UK lawyer and earn 100 times what a cleaner earns.

Then ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?

I did the calculation if at all he remains a cleaner for the next 10 years then return to Nigeria, which I know is not possible for him to remain a cleaner. My calculation considers if his condition doesn't improve at all, but it's not possible for him not to change to a better job. So, the people saying he made a bad decision are very wrong. Let's not forget the security and a better quality of life he's going to enjoy there compared to Nigeria.

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samuelson06(m): 3:28pm On Nov 25, 2024
CodeTemplarr:
I doubt he can save €500 a month.

What are the basics that people spend on monthly? No be food and rent? Can that consume more than 1k?
CodeTemplarr: 3:30pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:


What are the basics that people spend on monthly? No be food and rent? Can that consume more than 1k?
most likely a family man. Has other bills. Food. Shelter. Healthcare(Insurance inclusive). Transport. Communication.
ednut1(m): 3:30pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:
I read through the thread and observed that many people are thinking the lawyer made a bad decision to have relocated to the UK. Now, let's do the Maths on the matter: considering that the man remains a cleaner throughout or in the next 10 years, he'll still be a cleaner.

Average hourly rate in the UK for a cleaner is £11.

For a day, if he does £11 x 10 hours (whether cleaner work or something else on the side).

That's like £110 a day.

Amounting to £110 x 25 days monthly (taking 5 days to rest).

That's like £2,750 monthly.

Let's say £1,000 for rent, food, and other expenses, which may not be up to that.

In a year, he'll make £1,750 x 12 months

That's like £21,000 per annum saved.

If he decides to stay in the UK for 10 years and return to Nigeria.

He'll be coming back with at least £21,000 x 10 years.

That's like £210,000.

Covert that to Nigerian naira.

£210,000 x 2,300 NGN (may be more by then).

That's like 483,000,000 NGN.

Man can build a small house then flex the remaining until death.

Now, I ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?
no cleaner is earning 2750 per month after tax in the UK except industrial cleaners who own the business. The average salary of a cleaner in uk is in the screenshot below.

While i was in the UK 2005-2008 there were Nigerians who built houses back home with cleaner, kitchen porter or peke( club work) . Things have become costly now, and in the past those people didn’t come with family so less expenses. They mostly rented one room in a house, no car etc. Today with spousal and dependent visas some came with wife and 4 children. He cannot save anything .

He may be working towards his legal license so he wont remain a cleaner for ever. Na him know wetin hin eye see. Many business owners are not getting jobs/ contracts so they fled before its too later

samuelson06(m): 3:49pm On Nov 25, 2024
ednut1:
no cleaner is earning 2750 per month after tax in the UK except industrial cleaners who own the business. The average salary of a cleaner in uk is in the screenshot below.

While i was in the UK 2005-2008 there were Nigerians who built houses back home with cleaner, kitchen porter or peke( club work) . Things have become costly now, and in the past those people didn’t come with family so less expenses. They mostly rented one room in a house, no car etc. Today with spousal and dependent visas some came with wife and 4 children. He cannot save anything .

He may be working towards his legal license so he wont remain a cleaner for ever. Na him know wetin hin eye see. Many business owners are not getting jobs/ contracts so they fled before its too later

But even that £19k isn't bad.

If you know what you are going for, you won't bother relocating with your family.
ednut1(m): 3:53pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:


But even that £19k isn't bad.

If you know what you are going for, you won't bother relocating with your family.
the selling point of the UK immigration was dependants being able to come before they stopped it this year. Most people went on student visa with their spouse being able to work full time. In summary your assumptions above are not correct 😁

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Puss360(f): 3:59pm On Nov 25, 2024
Lol.. op your calculation is good but heavily flawed!!!..

Rent alone can take as much as £500 per month..
Electric/ gas £100( more during winter)
Internet, transportation, water £150
Feeding £300
Govt tax £962 approx( around 35% of Ur total income)

Total £2012...
You are left with £738..
All these calculation is if u have nobody back home that's depending on you o...
If you do, then you'll be sending something home monthly.. lol
Mindlog: 4:11pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:
I read through the thread and observed that many people are thinking the lawyer made a bad decision to have relocated to the UK. Now, let's do the Maths on the matter: considering that the man remains a cleaner throughout or in the next 10 years, he'll still be a cleaner.

Average hourly rate in the UK for a cleaner is £11.

For a day, if he does £11 x 10 hours (whether cleaner work or something else on the side).

That's like £110 a day.

Amounting to £110 x 25 days monthly (taking 5 days to rest).

That's like £2,750 monthly.

Let's say £1,000 for rent, food, and other expenses, which may not be up to that.

In a year, he'll make £1,750 x 12 months

That's like £21,000 per annum saved.

If he decides to stay in the UK for 10 years and return to Nigeria.

He'll be coming back with at least £21,000 x 10 years.

That's like £210,000.

Covert that to Nigerian naira.

£210,000 x 2,300 NGN (may be more by then).

That's like 483,000,000 NGN.

Man can build a small house then flex the remaining until death.

Now, I ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?


Below is the realistic take home pay with a £2,750 monthly pay.

Truths9ja: 4:21pm On Nov 25, 2024
Mindlog:



Below is the realistic take home pay with a £2,750 monthly pay.
bro he make the best choice. Within a year or two, he will gather more money to have his law chambers in Uk 🇬🇧 too. Everything will work according to plans
Mindlog: 4:25pm On Nov 25, 2024
Truths9ja:
bro he make the best choice. Within a year or two, he will gather more money to have his law chambers in Uk 🇬🇧 too. Everything will work according to plans

I know he made the best choice, I also did and now in a professional role that offers job security and stability.
Truths9ja: 4:35pm On Nov 25, 2024
Mindlog:


I know he made the best choice, I also did and now in a professional role that offers job security and stability.
what really makes you to be successful cos’ you are very determined and also never give up niiii. You are much focus to reached your goals
Mindlog: 4:47pm On Nov 25, 2024
Truths9ja:
what really makes you to be successful cos’ you are very determined and also never give up niiii. You are much focus to reached your goals

Yes, I was hyperfocused.

When I arrived Heathrow Airport, London and was heading to the city where my university is, I said to myself I would direct effort towards acquiring skills that would bring me permanently back to London to work as a professional in the local government service that offers better pay and welfare packages...........I went through the labyrinths of different jobs, personally paid for trainings and finally got employed by a London borough (local government).

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samuelson06(m): 5:04pm On Nov 25, 2024
Mindlog:



Below is the realistic take home pay with a £2,750 monthly pay.

Regardless, are you guys saying it's not possible to save 1k monthly?
samuelson06(m): 5:06pm On Nov 25, 2024
Mindlog:


I know he made the best choice, I also did and now in a professional role that offers job security and stability.

What did you start with as a job, bro?
samuelson06(m): 5:07pm On Nov 25, 2024
Mindlog:


Yes, I was hyperfocused.

When I arrived Heathrow Airport, London and was heading to the city where my university is, I said to myself I would direct effort towards acquiring skills that would bring me permanently back to London to work as a professional in the local government service that offers better pay and welfare packages...........I went through the labyrinths of different jobs, personally paid for trainings and finally got employed by a London borough (local government).

Can you recommend a skill for me? When did you enter the UK? PG or BSc program?
samuelson06(m): 5:18pm On Nov 25, 2024
By the way, why Nigerians prefer the UK to other countries? Any specific reason to this?
ednut1(m): 5:52pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:
By the way, why Nigerians prefer the UK to other countries? Any specific reason to this?
no language barrier. Then uk opened the door to immigrants after covid, they granted lots of Nigerians study visa, work visas etc. The promo has ended sha

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Mindlog: 8:40pm On Nov 25, 2024
ednut1:
no language barrier. Then uk opened the door to immigrants after covid, they granted lots of Nigerians study visa, work visas etc. The promo has ended sha

😂😂😂😂
Factcheck0001: 9:02pm On Nov 25, 2024
samuelson06:
By the way, why Nigerians prefer the UK to other countries? Any specific reason to this?
UK doesn't have problem

Just have money n come in
MrAmbrose(m): 1:50am On Nov 26, 2024
Old news
idahme(m): 7:06am On Nov 26, 2024
This guy them no dey pay tax? Be calming down ooo . This is not how Uk is. grin

Just like the other dude was saying the amount he may be saving is 500 pounds monthly and not that amount you quoted.
Gerrard59(m): 8:39am On Nov 26, 2024
ednut1:
no cleaner is earning 2750 per month after tax in the UK except industrial cleaners who own the business. The average salary of a cleaner in uk is in the screenshot below.

While i was in the UK 2005-2008 there were Nigerians who built houses back home with cleaner, kitchen porter or peke( club work) . Things have become costly now, and in the past those people didn’t come with family so less expenses. They mostly rented one room in a house, no car etc. Today with spousal and dependent visas some came with wife and 4 children. He cannot save anything.
Honestly, unless the breadwinner - usually the man - gets a high paying job or a sales related job, it won't be easy to make up for the expenses incurred in the japa process as expenses while residing in the UK climb up. Also, most sold their properties and Nigerian based investments. No wonder one Nairalander stated most won't return to Nigeria until after a decade or fifteen years.

I never knew it could be like this.

He may be working towards his legal license so he wont remain a cleaner for ever. Na him know wetin hin eye see. Many business owners are not getting jobs/ contracts so they fled before its too later
No be small thing o embarassed

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Bigkenny: 8:03am On Nov 27, 2024
samuelson06:
I read through the thread and observed that many people are thinking the lawyer made a bad decision to have relocated to the UK. Now, let's do the Maths on the matter: considering that the man remains a cleaner throughout or in the next 10 years, he'll still be a cleaner.

Average hourly rate in the UK for a cleaner is £11.

For a day, if he does £11 x 10 hours (whether cleaner work or something else on the side).

That's like £110 a day.

Amounting to £110 x 25 days monthly (taking 5 days to rest).

That's like £2,750 monthly.

Let's say £1,000 for rent, food, and other expenses, which may not be up to that.

In a year, he'll make £1,750 x 12 months

That's like £21,000 per annum saved.

If he decides to stay in the UK for 10 years and return to Nigeria.

He'll be coming back with at least £21,000 x 10 years.

That's like £210,000.

Covert that to Nigerian naira.

£210,000 x 2,300 NGN (may be more by then).

That's like 483,000,000 NGN.

Man can build a small house then flex the remaining until death.

Now, I ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?


Your maths doesn't add up. First of all, a full-time job is 8 hours per day. Also, you never mentioned taxes, medical insurance, and other associated deductions that will chop the salary by 30% or over.

Also, you never factor in feeding, accommodation, and other bills.
samuelson06(m): 8:34am On Nov 27, 2024
Bigkenny:



Your maths doesn't add up. First of all, a full-time job is 8 hours per day. Also, you never mentioned taxes, medical insurance, and other associated deductions that will chop the salary by 30% or over.

Also, you never factor in feeding, accommodation, and other bills.

Yea. I didn't itemize those expenses individually but I assumed 1k could take care of them.
Bigkenny: 12:46am On Nov 28, 2024
samuelson06:


Yea. I didn't itemize those expenses individually but I assumed 1k could take care of them.

Nope, he or she will pay at least 1686 pounds tax on income of 21000 pounds.

See income tax rates below.

Band Taxable income Tax rate
Personal Allowance Up to £12,570 0%
Basic rate £12,571 to £50,270 20%
Higher rate £50,271 to £125,140 40%
Additional rate over £125,140 45%

He or she will also pay the National insurance.

Don't forget about rent, feeding, and phone bills. Even if you rent just a room and live outside London, it will cost you more than 4000 pounds a year.
studyless123: 2:24am On Nov 28, 2024
samuelson06:
I read through the thread and observed that many people are thinking the lawyer made a bad decision to have relocated to the UK. Now, let's do the Maths on the matter: considering that the man remains a cleaner throughout or in the next 10 years, he'll still be a cleaner.

Average hourly rate in the UK for a cleaner is £11.

For a day, if he does £11 x 10 hours (whether cleaner work or something else on the side).

That's like £110 a day.

Amounting to £110 x 25 days monthly (taking 5 days to rest).

That's like £2,750 monthly.

Let's say £1,000 for rent, food, and other expenses, which may not be up to that.

In a year, he'll make £1,750 x 12 months

That's like £21,000 per annum saved.

If he decides to stay in the UK for 10 years and return to Nigeria.

He'll be coming back with at least £21,000 x 10 years.

That's like £210,000.

Covert that to Nigerian naira.

£210,000 x 2,300 NGN (may be more by then).

That's like 483,000,000 NGN.

Man can build a small house then flex the remaining until death.

Now, I ask you again, did he make the right choice to have left Nigeria?

Too many fallacies.
samuelson06(m): 3:14am On Nov 28, 2024
studyless123:


Too many fallacies.

My bad! I was just doing a rough estimation.

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