| gabbytabby: 10:17am On Nov 18, 2024 |
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| sirpharrell(m): 10:18am On Nov 18, 2024 |
ddippset:
Surely the constitution says they AUTOMATICALLY lose their seats but it doesn't say anyone is permitted to take the law into their hands to effect this provision.
It is the speaker who must declare the seats vacant but where the speaker fails to do that, the Judiciary must come in, to declare the seats vacant..
As long as there was no division at the National level, they must lose their seats, No TECHNICALITIES should apply Here!
Now that the case has gotten to the courts, directly or indirectly, any judge adjudicating on any issue directly or indirectly related to the matter if the 27 lawmakers must declare their seats vacant.
So who is constitutionally empowered to determine if truly there is division in their party at the national level? Is it not the courts? Until the courts say otherwise, are they not still lawmakers? I wonder hoe people think their own interprettion of the constitution is superior to the interpretation of the courts.
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| Kukutente23: 10:23am On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
You should rather keep quiet. if SHALL means automatic, why then did the constitution provide a process of losing the seats? The same constitution provides that the Speaker shall declare their seats vacant which means they cannot lose their seats until their seats are declared vacant by the Speaker. If this is your intepretation of AUTOMATIC AND IMMEDIATE, your school fees were wasted.
The same constitution also allows defection by who have crisis in their political parties. Everyone who defects claim that there is division in their party. So what should happen? Who should determine if truly there was division in their party or not, if not the judiciary? This cavaet should not have been there if it was AUTOMATIC AND IMMEDIATE as canvassed by day dreamers like you.
You be mumu I swear
Why don't you say whoever wants to defect should first get a court order confirming his right to defect based on crisis in the party?
It is a judicial pronouncement by the supreme Court that anywhere "shall" is used in the constitution, the process is to take automatic effect and needs no judicial interpretation.
You're sitting here in one room and parlour writing nonsense all over the Internet.
The speaker is required to declare their seat vacant once he's notified of their defection. Not doing so is breaking the law they swore to uphold. Mugu like you will be writing rubbish to defend politicians
Are you even aware the SC has highlighted that the crisis must be national and one that affects the ability of the party to function? Abeg go and sleep
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| sirpharrell(m): 10:33am On Nov 18, 2024 |
Kukutente23:
You be mumu I swear
Why don't you say whoever wants to defect should first get a court order confirming his right to defect based on crisis in the party?
It is a judicial pronouncement by the supreme Court that anywhere "shall" is used in the constitution, the process is to take automatic effect and needs no judicial interpretation.
You're sitting here in one room and parlour writing nonsense all over the Internet.
The speaker is required to declare their seat vacant once he's notified of their defection. Not doing so is breaking the law they swore to uphold. Mugu like you will be writing rubbish to defend politicians
You are the biggest mumu in this space. Only you say losing their seats is AUTOMATIC. Do you know the meaning of AUTOMATIC? Only you now say the Speaker is supposed to declare their seats vacant. If an action is required by the Speaker, is that AUTOMATIC? All the Labour Party legislators that have defected since last year, which of them lost their seat? Why didn't Senator Ifeanyi Ubah lose his seat, Mister AUTOMATIC.
It is this kind of mumu interpretation by mumu people like you that has put Governor Fubara in this quandary. See as people you claim have lost their seats succeeded in withholding the federal allocations of the state. The law does not bend to your mumu interpretations and that is why the law still recognises them as until the courts say otherwise.
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| Kukutente23: 10:43am On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
You are the biggest mumu in this space. Only you say losing their seats is AUTOMATIC. Do you know the meaning of AUTOMATIC? Only you now say the Speaker is supposed to declare their seats vacant. If an action is required by the Speaker, is that AUTOMATIC? All the Labour Party legislators that have defected since last year, which of them lost their seat? Why didn't Senator Ifeanyi Ubah lose his seat, Mister AUTOMATIC.
It is this kind of mumu interpretation by mumu people like you that has put Governor Fubara in this quandary. See as people you claim have lost their seats succeeded in withholding the federal allocations of the state. The law does not bend to your mumu interpretations and that is why the law still recognises them as until the courts say otherwise.
Mugu.
Ubah did not lose his seat because he defected to the speaker's party and that one just overlooked the thing since it's to his party's benefit. Let anyone defect from APC to PDP today if his seat will not be declared vacant and clowns like you will say he should go to court.
It is automatic. What the constitution places on the speaker is a requirement that's not subject to his desires. It's because there's no respect for rules and laws among our politicians that allows such nonsense to exist. Are you aware the same Amaewhule read the letter of defection of all the on the floor?
It is because there's no respect for laws in Nigeria that will make Wike announce boldly that he bought forms for all aspirants of PDP in Rivers and nothing happened. It is also why a minister will be orchestrating impeachment of a sitting gov and everyone will be going as if it's normal.
You guys need to grow some shame abeg
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| senatordave1(m): 11:05am On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
You should rather keep quiet. if SHALL means automatic, why then did the constitution provide a process of losing the seats? The same constitution provides that the Speaker shall declare their seats vacant which means they cannot lose their seats until their seats are declared vacant by the Speaker. If this is your intepretation of AUTOMATIC AND IMMEDIATE, your school fees were wasted.
The same constitution also allows defection by who have crisis in their political parties. Everyone who defects claim that there is division in their party. So what should happen? Who should determine if truly there was division in their party or not, if not the judiciary? This cavaet should not have been there if it was AUTOMATIC AND IMMEDIATE as canvassed by day dreamers like you.
Thank you. The court And only the court can interpret the constitution
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| ddippset(m): 11:28am On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
So who is constitutionally empowered to determine if truly there is division in their party at the national level? Is it not the courts? Until the courts say otherwise, are they not still lawmakers? I wonder hoe people think their own interprettion of the constitution is superior to the interpretation of the courts.
YES the courts.
But the Supreme Court has defined what a division means.
There must be two National Chairmen.
There must be two National Secretaries.
There must be two National offices or secretariats..
The Rivers State matter is very clear.
But typical of the black man especially the Nigerian,,
Dishonesty and dubiousness runs in their veins
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| Shady2020: 11:36am On Nov 18, 2024 |
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People like Edwin Clark are misleading and giving wrong advices to the Governor. For goodness' sake, Edwin is not from Rivers State. He should leave our state alone and focus on Delta State.
If the Martin-led House Assembly denied that, they didn't defect to APC, the Defendant must prove that in court because court judgments are based on cogent and verifiable shreds of evidence, not media publicity or video clips.
To remind Clark, the so-called 3 illegal have been used by the Governor to an appropriation of 800 billion is been suspended by the entire house for gross misconduct. So their status is still invalid in the house because their suspension has not been called off.
So Edwin Clark should also cite the composition of the state House of Assembly in the constitution to ascertain the legality of the 3 ' house.
The court in his wisdom has given several judgments compelling the governor to represent the appropriation to the Martin-led house which he vehemently refused and still working with the illegal aliens. Our constitution didn't recognize 3 suspended House of Assembly.
Sir, kindly give good father, unbiased, and elder advice to the governor to do what is right and not to behave like a tyrant. Sir, with due respect, stop mingling from the Rivers crises by raising false allegations against the Honorable Minister who's doing well with his duties at the Federal Capital territory.
Thanks.
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| Lithiumite: 2:15pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
It is people like this Elder Edwin Clark that are misleading Governor Fubara. Where in the constitution did it state that will IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY lose their seat if they defected to another political party?
Are the Rivers lawmakers the first people to defect in this country? I expected him to mention just one example of a lawmaker that immediately and automatically lose his seat upon defection. Even after the Rivers lawmakers, several lawmakers have defected in this country. Which of them lost their seat IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY?
This is where Governor Fubara shot himself in the foot. As long as no court of competent jurisdiction has declared their seats vacant, those guys are still of the Rivers State House of Assembly. The failure to recognise this fact is what has led the Governor to make so many mistakes in breach of the constitution.
That was same way he mislead GEJ!!
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| Cantonese: 3:13pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
It is people like this Elder Edwin Clark that are misleading Governor Fubara. Where in the constitution did it state that will IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY lose their seat if they defected to another political party?
Are the Rivers lawmakers the first people to defect in this country? I expected him to mention just one example of a lawmaker that immediately and automatically lose his seat upon defection. Even after the Rivers lawmakers, several lawmakers have defected in this country. Which of them lost their seat IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY?
This is where Governor Fubara shot himself in the foot. As long as no court of competent jurisdiction has declared their seats vacant, those guys are still of the Rivers State House of Assembly. The failure to recognise this fact is what has led the Governor to make so many mistakes in breach of the constitution.
" Where in the constitution did it state...".
What!!!!!!!!!
You don't mean it.
So there are truly people like you on Nairaland who know nothing about your country and what goes on in the country.
Should we now remind you that Nigeria has a national flag and anthem? Your question is very disturbing. To see you getting some likes with your comment shows that there are also youths like you here who are "follow the crowd" group.
Please go and read hard and wide.
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| Kreesxxx: 3:38pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
Kukutente23:
Keep quiet
The constitution does not say a court must declare the seat of defectors vacant before the lose their seats.
The constitution says they "SHALL" lose their seats upon the letters of their defection being read on the floor of the House
I like this part. Which floor of the house did they read their defections letter?
If you say Martins lead house I will ask you who ed the budget Fubara is using today. By the time of their purported defections Ehie was the speaker.
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| Kukutente23: 3:39pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
Kreesxxx:
I like this part. Which floor of the house did they read their defections letter?
If you say Martins lead house I will ask you who ed the budget Fubara is using today. By the time of their purported defections Ehie was the speaker.
What is this one saying now
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| Reloadedisraelp: 4:42pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
It is people like this Elder Edwin Clark that are misleading Governor Fubara. Where in the constitution did it state that will IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY lose their seat if they defected to another political party?
Are the Rivers lawmakers the first people to defect in this country? I expected him to mention just one example of a lawmaker that immediately and automatically lose his seat upon defection. Even after the Rivers lawmakers, several lawmakers have defected in this country. Which of them lost their seat IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY?
This is where Governor Fubara shot himself in the foot. As long as no court of competent jurisdiction has declared their seats vacant, those guys are still of the Rivers State House of Assembly. The failure to recognise this fact is what has led the Governor to make so many mistakes in breach of the constitution.
gbam moving a knight instead of a pawn , errors on errors to the end
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| Cromagnon: 8:20pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
It is people like this Elder Edwin Clark that are misleading Governor Fubara. Where in the constitution did it state that will IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY lose their seat if they defected to another political party?
https://nigerian-constitution.com/chapter-5-part-2-section-109-tenure-of-seat-of-
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Are the Rivers lawmakers the first people to defect in this country? I expected him to mention just one example of a lawmaker that immediately and automatically lose his seat upon defection. Even after the Rivers lawmakers, several lawmakers have defected in this country. Which of them lost their seat IMMEDIATELY AND AUTOMATICALLY?
This is where Governor Fubara shot himself in the foot. As long as no court of competent jurisdiction has declared their seats vacant, those guys are still of the Rivers State House of Assembly. The failure to recognise this fact is what has led the Governor to make so many mistakes in breach of the constitution.
fortunately they didn't another party
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| sirpharrell(m): 3:23pm On Nov 19, 2024 |
Kukutente23:
Mugu.
Ubah did not lose his seat because he defected to the speaker's party and that one just overlooked the thing since it's to his party's benefit. Let anyone defect from APC to PDP today if his seat will not be declared vacant and clowns like you will say he should go to court.
It is automatic. What the constitution places on the speaker is a requirement that's not subject to his desires. It's because there's no respect for rules and laws among our politicians that allows such nonsense to exist. Are you aware the same Amaewhule read the letter of defection of all the on the floor?
It is because there's no respect for laws in Nigeria that will make Wike announce boldly that he bought forms for all aspirants of PDP in Rivers and nothing happened. It is also why a minister will be orchestrating impeachment of a sitting gov and everyone will be going as if it's normal.
You guys need to grow some shame abeg
See how you are fooling yourself? You said Ubah did not lose his seat because the Speaker ignored it, yet you claim that losing of the seat is automatic. You are pathetically helpless. No need trying to educate you.
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| sirpharrell(m): 3:27pm On Nov 19, 2024 |
ddippset:
YES the courts.
But the Supreme Court has defined what a division means.
There must be two National Chairmen.
There must be two National Secretaries.
There must be two National offices or secretariats..
The Rivers State matter is very clear.
But typical of the black man especially the Nigerian,,
Dishonesty and dubiousness runs in their veins
No matter how clear it may look, only the legally recognised speaker or the courts can declare their seats vacant. None of that has been done yet.
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| ddippset(m): 3:54pm On Nov 19, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
No matter how clear it may look, only the legally recognised speaker or the courts can declare their seats vacant. None of that has been done yet.
And that's the reason why they are dragging the case.
On that defection issue if the odds were against Fubara that Abuja judiciary would have given judgement since.
They know those lawmakers have defected esp with the affidavit part,they know..
That's what the matter has not been judged.
They know why they are delaying.
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| sirpharrell(m): 11:42pm On Nov 20, 2024 |
ddippset:
And that's the reason why they are dragging the case.
On that defection issue if the odds were against Fubara that Abuja judiciary would have given judgement since.
They know those lawmakers have defected esp with the affidavit part,they know..
That's what the matter has not been judged.
They know why they are delaying.
You don't even know what is happening. The federal high court had already given judgement in favour of the 27 lawmakers since January. And until that judgement is upturned, which is unlikely, they still remain lawmakers. That is the position of THE LAW.
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| ddippset(m): 6:14am On Nov 21, 2024 |
sirpharrell:
You don't even know what is happening. The federal high court had already given judgement in favour of the 27 lawmakers since January. And until that judgement is upturned, which is unlikely, they still remain lawmakers. That is the position of THE LAW.
You're dead dead dead wrong!
No Court in Nigeria has given any judgement strictly on the defection of the 27, no Court has interpreted the section 109 till date, as regards to this current Rivers crisis.
What Justice James Omotosho did in January 2024 was to restrain the Governor and State government from interfaring with the activities and sittings of the 27 lawmakers, saying they were still the recognized lawmakers.
But on the issue of their defection, no Court has judges whether they have lost their seats or not.
And that is what I am talking about here..
That definite ruling on their defection.
They are delaying..
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