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This is one question I have not really gotten a satisfactory answer to...

Like,Where was Lucifer when God Said "Let Us create Man in Our own Image"?..

Was he cast out after the creation or Before,🤔

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jokerman:
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So when did this incident take place??

Before or after God created the world?

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So when did this incident take place??

Before or after God created the world?

Good question...very very Good question...

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So when did this incident take place??

Before or after God created the world?

The bolded.

The man child is Jesus, after his death, he was taken to heaven.

However, Satan and his angels are not fully cast out of the heavenly realms, until Jesus Christ takes the scroll from God to open the seals.

So the devil still roams the earth, Hell and heavenly realms

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So when did this incident take place??

Before or after God created the world?

It hasn’t happened. Satan and his Angels still have their place in heaven.

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So when did this incident take place??

Before or after God created the world?

To understand the answer to your question, you first have to understand the difference between the World as you mentioned and the Earth. the Earth came to be at creation while the world came to be at the tranfer of dominion from Adam to Lucifer. I would answer you question in physcality because they are not same with spirituality, the event happened after the Lord Jesus rose from the dead and became the advocate for man thereby denying Satan access to the gathering of the sons of God.

I hope it helps

ediplan:


To understand the answer to your question, you first have to understand the difference between the World as you mentioned and the Earth. the Earth came to be at creation while the world came to be at the tranfer of dominion from Adam to the Lucifer. I would answer you question in physcality because they are not same with spirituality, the event happened after the Lord Jesus rose from the dead and became the advocate for man thereby denying Satan access the the gathering of the sons of God.

I hope it helps

You mean Satan was still with God in heaven when he came to tempt Jesus christ??

Jokerman:


The bolded.

The man child is Jesus, after his death, he was taken to heaven.

However, Satan and his angels are not fully cast out of the heavenly realms, until Jesus Christ takes the scroll from God to open the seals.

So the devil still roams the earth, Hell and heavenly realms

My Main question is;

Where was Lucifer when God Said "Let's create Man in our own Image"?

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This is one question I have not really gotten a satisfactory answer to...
Like,Where was Lucifer when God Said "Let Us create Man in Our own Image"?..
Was he cast out after the creation or Before,🤔

The Bible said:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Two locations one PLURAL (heavens) the other SINGULAR (earth)
Later we read that the sons of God were with Him in the heavens:

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7

The word STARS connotes the location where these creatures are with God congregating in His presence:

Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them. Job 1:6

So all the angels lived in heaven with God in the beginning but when it comes to the creation only one angel was working side by side with God {Proverbs 8:22-30} therefore the statement "let us make" was a conversation between the Almighty God and His coworkers with whom all things were made! John 1:2 compare to Colossians 1:15-16

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My Main question is;

Where was Lucifer when God Said "Let's create Man in our own Image"?

He was with God...

All the angels were with God before creation.

There's nothing like Pre- Adamite race

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You mean Satan was still with God in heaven when he came to tempt Jesus christ??

No you are getting it wrong.

Satan was not in heaven with God, but still had access to accuse the sons of God before the Almighty...

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You mean Satan was still with God in heaven when he came to tempt Jesus christ??

Let me expantiate it to you, When you say satan its more like a status (read the Lord's conversation with Peter when he said get behind me satan) and not a person as it were, like saying man, Man/male is a status entered into be possessing certain features; mainly having a male reproductive organ, The persons can uses the status of satan like lucifer, the dragon, or the serpent as the bible decribes him even man, satan is a status born from the fall of man. He was not in heaven when he came to tempt the Lord, read the temptation story and you would realize that the bible states that the Devil came to tempt him, it was in the Lord's reponse that he replied by saying get thee behind me satan. that episode makes a distinct differenciation of the two (devil and satan) let me stop here not to diviate

Where was he(lucifer) when the Lord commissioned Adam I will tell you that from scriptures too: Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! this explains that he was made on the first day of creation during the seperation of light and darkness,

I hope this helps

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These people can’t answer the question you asked because they don’t understand what they are worshipping. They will go round and round without giving you a meaningful answer. Even the current Europeans who introduced these jargons can’t answer your questions. Have you read Otem’s book? The writings will answer all your questions, not these people you are asking. The Bible is a book of confusion with many errors because several people in the past edited it. Satan is the same person called Jehovah (Yahweh). Although the name was separated and many references were removed by old scholars, you can still find it in the Bible. 99% of Bible stories are all lies.
Before you read Otem’s book, first compare these two verses in the Bible: 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5. There you will know that Satan is the same person called Jehovah.

Otem's written :

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

The one online is not complete and some verses were missing , but several people collected soft copy from Otem before he disappeared, you can reach out to me later if you want it.



OkCornel
adamma24
Jokerman
ediplan
MaxInDHouse

LordCenturion:
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These people can’t answer the question you asked because they don’t understand what they are worshipping. They will go round and round without giving you a meaningful answer. Even the current Europeans who introduced these jargons can’t answer your questions. Have you read Otem’s book? The writings will answer all your questions, not these people you are asking. The Bible is a book of confusion with many errors because several people in the past edited it. Satan is the same person called Jehovah (Yahweh). Although the name was separated and many references were removed by old scholars, you can still find it in the Bible. 99% of Bible stories are all lies.
Before you read Otem’s book, first compare these two verses in the Bible: 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5. There you will know that Satan is the same person called Jehovah.

Otem's written :

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

The one online is not complete and some verses were missing , but several people collected soft copy from Otem before he disappeared, you can reach out to me later if you want it.



OkCornel
adamma24
Jokerman
ediplan
MaxInDHouse

I just showed a so called preacher here in my area...omo the guy was just surprised because he has not seen the satan part until I showed him...

adamma24:


I just showed a so called preacher here in my area...omo the guy was just surprised because he has not seen the satan part until I showed him...

The problem many people face, especially within the Black community, is that we often don’t think critically before making decisions. We don’t conduct our own research or ask questions about the information we’re given. Instead, we tend to accept and live with it forever without questioning, often out of fear.

The holy yahweh command more genocides than the evil Satan in the Bible.. Lol

LordCenturion:
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These people can’t answer the question you asked because they don’t understand what they are worshipping. They will go round and round without giving you a meaningful answer. Even the current Europeans who introduced these jargons can’t answer your questions. Have you read Otem’s book? The writings will answer all your questions, not these people you are asking. The Bible is a book of confusion with many errors because several people in the past edited it. Satan is the same person called Jehovah (Yahweh). Although the name was separated and many references were removed by old scholars, you can still find it in the Bible. 99% of Bible stories are all lies.
Before you read Otem’s book, first compare these two verses in the Bible: 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5. There you will know that Satan is the same person called Jehovah.

Otem's written :

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

The one online is not complete and some verses were missing , but several people collected soft copy from Otem before he disappeared, you can reach out to me later if you want it.



OkCornel
adamma24
Jokerman
ediplan
MaxInDHouse

There’s an explanation for that observation you noted 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5.

Prior to the Israelites exile, they believed God was responsible for all good and evil. The book of Samuel was written prior to when they were in exile.

In exile and thereafter, the beliefs and views of the Israelites was influenced by dualism (can’t recall the origin of that religion from Persia), where they believed everything good was from God, and evil was from Satan. The book of Chronicles was written in that period.


Little wonder you hear nothing about Satan in the Bible prior to when the Israelites were exiled. Except for the book of Job

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These people can’t answer the question you asked because they don’t understand what they are worshipping. They will go round and round without giving you a meaningful answer. Even the current Europeans who introduced these jargons can’t answer your questions. Have you read Otem’s book? The writings will answer all your questions, not these people you are asking. The Bible is a book of confusion with many errors because several people in the past edited it. Satan is the same person called Jehovah (Yahweh). Although the name was separated and many references were removed by old scholars, you can still find it in the Bible. 99% of Bible stories are all lies.
Before you read Otem’s book, first compare these two verses in the Bible: 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5. There you will know that Satan is the same person called Jehovah.

Otem's written :

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

The one online is not complete and some verses were missing , but several people collected soft copy from Otem before he disappeared, you can reach out to me later if you want it.



As much as my intention is not to argue or have a debate, I want to write because of those who share the same believe as I do in Christ, I have said this not to be spiteful but to create an assumption from your writting that you are not a follower of Jesus and as such you would not be able to understand scriptures except by the spirit of scripture as I would not be able to understand your book except by the spirit of your book. A key reason why I dont engage in arguements on that line.

Any believer that has read my last writing would understand that satan is not a person but a personality that can be occupied by persons from my understanding of scriptures, It like seperating presidency from the president. From scriptures, satan is in play when ever the actions of man contradicts the action of the Lord. Also note that all spirit are of and from the Lord because he created all things, both physical and Spititual.

It is important to state that I also do not compare spiritual with contemporary, I only compare spiritual with Spiritual and try to see all other things in the light of the Spirit. Let me now give a spiritual understanding to the 2 verses that he compared because of those that might be gullible to fall from the assersions there.

If you look at 1 King 22, it gives an that clearifies these class of events where the king of Judah and the King of Isreal were planning and the Lord was angry with them. See vs 21-23 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”

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My Main question is;

Where was Lucifer when God Said "Let's create Man in our own Image"?

Satan is a cherub. Cherubims are known as guardian angels who guard the throne of of God or other precious places of God. So it is probably that Satan was in heaven when God said let us make man in our image. That statement was to Jesus Christ because Jesus created the heavens and the earth as God spoke Jesus acts and designs.

But after creation it seems Satan was sent to protect Eden the garden of God Ezekiel 28:14-14. This is where Satan became corrupt and wanted worship for himself instead of God. Satan right now is located in the heavens not the throne of God but the sky. He has made his abode up above like God just as he had in mind. But very soon he will be chased down and this will cause the great tribulation and ultimate end of the world.

LordCenturion:

Before you read Otem’s book, first compare these two verses in the Bible: 1st Chronicles 21:1-5 and 2nd Samuel 24:1-5. There you will know that Satan is the same person called Jehovah.
MaxInDHouse.

You only need a Bible study with God's people Jehovah's Witnesses but if you want to know the meaning of those verses feel free to ask! Matthew 7:7-8

MaxInDHouse:


You only need a Bible study with God's people Jehovah's Witnesses but if you want to know the meaning of those verses feel free to ask! Matthew 7:7-8

Mathew is a fvcking liar, Mathew was written by evil lying Paul in the first place before several modifications..


Oh, OK, kindly tell me the meaning sir

EMILO2STAY:
Satan is a cherub. Cherubims are known as guardian angels who guard the throne of of God or other precious places of God. So it is probably that Satan was in heaven when God said let us make man in our image. That statement was to Jesus Christ because Jesus created the heavens and the earth as God spoke Jesus acts and designs.

But after creation it seems Satan was sent to protect Eden the garden of God Ezekiel 28:14-14. This is where Satan became corrupt and wanted worship for himself instead of God. Satan right now is located in the heavens not the throne of God but the sky. He has made his abode up above like God just as he had in mind. But very soon he will be chased down and this will cause the great tribulation and ultimate end of the world.

You’re trying to twist the story to fit your beliefs...
Oga, Cherubim is a male twin, and his sister is Seraphim. They are the offspring of Yahweh (Satan) and the goddess (Mother Earth). Both twins are Nephilim (winged giant demi-gods). So, stop typing nonsense here.


adamma24
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LordCenturion:


You’re trying to twist the story to fit your beliefs...
Oga, Cherubim is a male twin, and his sister is Seraphim. They are the offspring of Yahweh (Satan) and the goddess (Mother Earth). Both twins are Nephilim (winged giant demi-gods). So, stop typing nonsense here.


adamma24
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Pls you guys should stop quoting me biko...

LordCenturion:


You’re trying to twist the story to fit your beliefs...
Oga, Cherubim is a male twin, and his sister is Seraphim. They are the offspring of Yahweh (Satan) and the goddess (Mother Earth). Both twins are Nephilim (winged giant demi-gods). So, stop typing nonsense here.


adamma24
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pls take your garbage off my mention!!

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LordCenturion:

Mathew is a fvcking liar, Mathew was written by evil lying Paul in the first place before several modifications..
Oh, OK, kindly tell me the meaning sir

Because we are getting information that is free most people do pick whatever suit their wimp and take it up as factual instead of asking how such could have been possible in the first place. Regarding Paul being the writer of Matthew i reserve my comment on that for now.

The Bible told us that there were many angels God created in heaven they are all intelligent and mighty spirit beings {Job 38:7} these creatures have freewill just as humans so when some of them rebelled against God He did not destroy them immediately but stopped giving them information about His purposes this is why the Bible says they were thrown into darkness {2Peter 2:4} these creatures began working for another leader who is one of them a resister {Satan) and slanderer (devil)
So whenever God life saving information to His worshipers Satan and his cohorts look for ways to mislead God's people by telling them the exact opposite of what God said.
Bible translators made many mistakes in the past due to issues having to do with language so when you read what was written in 2Samuel 24:1-5 and 1Chronicles 21:1-5 you may miss out completely on the message.
This is how the New World Translation rendered it:

2Samuel 24:1-3
The anger of Jehovah again blazed against Israel when one incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.” So the king said to Joʹab the chief of the army who was with him: “Please go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba, and the people, so that I may know the number of the people.” But Joʹab said to the king: “May Jehovah your God multiply the people 100 times, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it, but why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?”


1 Chronicles 21:1-3
Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. So David said to Joʹab and the chiefs of the people: “Go, count Israel from Beʹer-sheʹba to Dan; then report to me so that I may know their number.” But Joʹab said: “May Jehovah multiply his people 100 times! My lord the king, are not all of them already servants of my lord? Why does my lord want to do this? Why should he become a cause of guilt to Israel?”

From the two s it's clear now that a rebellious angel misled David to go against God's will but since David is imperfect he couldn't easily discern what was wrong with the message he received from that spirit.