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There was no context in your initial quote, you are just providing the context.

The verse you quoted earlier on was without context and does not provide enough explanation for non Muslims or other Muslims who are seeking guidance.

Almunjid:

Lol. You misunderstood the context. The verse refers to those who die while associating partners with Allah; Allah can forgive other sins but not shirk (associating partners with Him). Abdullah reported that the Prophet, peace, and blessings be upon him, said, "Whoever dies while calling upon a partner besides Allah will enter Hellfire" (Sahih al-Bukhari 4497). However, if they convert to Islam and stop committing shirk, Allah says, "Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them" (Qur'an 8:38).

We can understand three key points from this:
1. Those who die while associating anything with Allah will be forbidden from entering Paradise and will reside in Hell.
2. Those who repent for their sins, including shirk, will receive Allah's mercy.
3. Those who commit major sins but do not associate anything with Allah are subject to Allah's will. If Allah wills, He may punish or forgive them. If punished, their time in Hell will not be eternal; ultimately, they will find their way to Paradise.


Peace!

Sterope:
There was no context in your initial quote, you are just providing the context.

The verse you quoted earlier on was without context and does not provide enough explanation for non Muslims or other Muslims who are seeking guidance.

Initially, I didn't intend to delve into explaining the context of any verses, as I thought merely mentioning them would suffice. However, you prompted me to elaborate further. I believe Muslims are generally more familiar with these verses, and I didn't feel the need to expatiate on my quotes.

It seems that many non-Muslims who visit Muslim threads on Nairaland aim to derail discussions rather than seek guidance. My intention wasn't to guide anyone either, as only Allah can guide them according to His will (Qur'an 2:272). No matter how extensive your explanations may be, people will not be guided until Allah wills it. When the time is right, a single verse without explanation, or an eye-opening event, may be all it takes to inspire divine guidance.


Salaam!

Sterope:
When he seeks for forgiveness, he is talks directly to God.

1. Jesus is a creation. Everything that comes to earth or heaven doesn't come except as a servant of the Almighty . None of the prophets in the bible before Jesus talked about original sin and needing God to come down to save them. They said the same thing prophet Muhammad said, ask God for forgiveness

2. Islam doesn't believe in original sin. Every child is born pure and is starting on a clean slate. I am not going to for Adam's deeds. No one s for the deeds of their fathers or mothers in Islam. God can use us as trials against one another and that is where it ends.

Adam's story was a highlight about the nature of men. Immediately he realised his mistake and asked for forgiveness. He was forgiven and God told him that he has created forgiveness and his messengers as mercies to us. And that is salvation according to Islam

Jesus exist even before the world was created. The Quran say he is the word of God, the Quran even went further and say he is a spirit from God.

Salvation is something ONLY GOD can do, and God has already done it.

The only thing you need to do is just BELIEVE.

Well, you are a Muslim, you are canal minded person, you will not understand

The earth is the word of God. The heaven is the word of God. Everyone and everything exist because of the word of God. Quran didn't say he was the spirit of God. Jesus's birth isn't more miraculous than the creation of Earth and other miracles that other prophets performed.

The word of God in the Qur'an is referred to as Kunfayakum meaning Be and it is. Either way, Jesus prayed to God in the Bible and he never unequivocally demanded people to worship him. There was no scene in the bible where people bowed to worship him or he asked them to bow to him. Every time you speak about Jesus as God, it is from inference and for a belief so fundamental to your faith, I don't need to infer about who God is.

Quran clearly says nothing comes to earth except as God's servant. Jesus himself spoke as a baby in the Qur'an when he told the rabbis that:

Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a prophet

He has made me a blessing wherever I go, and bid me to establish prayer and give alms-tax as long as I live,

and to be kind to my mother. He has not made me arrogant or defiant.

Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I will be raised back to life!”

That is Jesus, son of Mary. ˹And this is˺ a word of truth, about which they dispute.

It is not for Allah to take a son! Glory be to Him. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, “Be!” And it is!

˹Jesus also declared,˺ “Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.”

malvisguy212:
Jesus exist even before the world was created. The Quran say he is the word of God, the Quran even went further and say he is a spirit from God.

Salvation is something ONLY GOD can do, and God has already done it.

The only thing you need to do is just BELIEVE.

Well, you are a Muslim, you are canal minded person, you will not understand

I understand but not many Muslims are familiar with these verses. A lot of Muslims don't
understand the Qur'an, they defer to their Alfas and reading the Quran in Arabic without understanding what it means.

Almunjid:

Initially, I didn't intend to delve into explaining the context of any verses, as I thought merely mentioning them would suffice. However, you prompted me to elaborate further. I believe Muslims are generally more familiar with these verses, and I didn't feel the need to expatiate on my quotes.

It seems that many non-Muslims who visit Muslim threads on Nairaland aim to derail discussions rather than seek guidance. My intention wasn't to guide anyone either, as only Allah can guide them according to His will (Qur'an 2:272). No matter how extensive your explanations may be, people will not be guided until Allah wills it. When the time is right, a single verse without explanation, or an eye-opening event, may be all it takes to inspire divine guidance.


Salaam!

You are telling me I shouldn't speak to God directly but to speak through a man God that was afraid of death and prayed to God to God.

No difference with paganism really. They believe in speaking to lesser gods to reach God. Moses didn't do that, Lot didn't do that, Enoch didn't do that, David didn't do that and I am not about to do that. Thank you.

malvisguy212:
Jesus exist even before the world was created. The Quran say he is the word of God, the Quran even went further and say he is a spirit from God.

Salvation is something ONLY GOD can do, and God has already done it.

The only thing you need to do is just BELIEVE.

Well, you are a Muslim, you are canal minded person, you will not understand

Sterope:
Yes, if you truly repent and don't go back to disbelief

That is not true. See that the Quran states that Allah does not forgive the sin of Shirk

Almunjid:

Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far away. (Qur'an 4:116)

Whatever rocks your boat

Ekrenji:

That is not true. See that the Quran states that Allah does not forgive the sin of Shirk

Sterope:
Whatever rocks your boat

We are doing evidence-based discussion here. Is that Quran reference correct or not?

Ekrenji:

We are doing evidence-based discussion here. Is that Quran reference correct or not?

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8217820/want--islam-sins-too/1#132094392

Feldie:
Go and repay people you scammed instead of hoping that mumbling a few words to an imaginary daddy will absorb you of your crimes.
Religion is the reason our leaders are so wicked because they believe no matter the evil they do, their God will still forgive them and absorb them of their crimes if they kneel down and mumble a few words.

It seems that you are not particularly religious, given your manner of speaking. If you are indeed non-religious, it would be considerate to avoid commenting on religious matters, as your words might inadvertently offend the faithful. Should you feel the need to participate in such discussions, I would recommend asking questions rather than criticizing. This approach encourages the faithful to share their insights and fosters a more respectful exchange.

Your assertion that uttering a few words of forgiveness will absolve one of their crimes, even after scamming others, is not ed by any teachings in the Quran or the Bible. Both scriptures emphasize the importance of repentance and making amends with those we have wronged as God forgiveness does not cover the sin of wronging your fellow human. As stated in the Quran, "Whoever cheats will be forced to produce what he gained by cheating on the Day of Judgement; then everyone will be paid their due in full, and they will not be wronged" (Qur'an 3:161). This age clearly illustrates that forgiveness cannot be attained merely by reciting a few words.

Religion serves as a source of moral teachings and principles that might not be acquired otherwise. Many non-religious individuals may struggle with morality and ethical behavior, engaging in selfish and reckless actions. In contrast, religion provides its faithful adherents with principles to guide their actions and shape their character. Unfortunately, some non-religious individuals may only recognize the value of these principles after experiencing the consequences of their misguided choices.

Your assertion that religion is the cause of our leaders' wickedness is also inaccurate. Consider comparing Africa to other continents – you will find that our challenges stem from "greed and selfishness". This inherent tendency to exploit systems for personal gain has allowed religion, politics, and tribalism to be manipulated, fueling corruption and chaos. For instance, some pastors use religion to extort their vulnerable followers, while politicians capitalize on religion, politics, and tribalism to sow discord and secure electoral victories.

The United Arab Emirates serves as a counterexample to your claim. Despite their strong religious convictions, the UAE has undergone rapid development since they discovered oil in 1958. In contrast, Nigeria discovered oil in 1956 but continues to suffer from corruption, poverty, and conflict. The stark contrast between these two countries suggests that our problems cannot be attributed solely to religion. Africa has faced significant challenges throughout history, even before the advent of major world religions. Our continent has been marred by selfish and greedy kings, which have allowed white men to exploit us through slavery, exploit our resources and undermine our progress.

Religion is not the root of our problems – rather, it is the way people choose to interpret and practice it. Good people practice religion peacefully, while evil-doers manipulate religious texts to justify their violent actions. Consider the example of Islam in Nigeria – the same religion practiced peacefully in the southwestern region has been exploited by Boko Haram in the north, albeit with political motivations. This example highlights that no religion is inherently bad – it is the actions and interpretations of its adherents that can lead to negative outcomes.


Peace!

Almunjid:

Lol. You misunderstood the context. The verse refers to those who die while associating partners with Allah; Allah can forgive other sins but not shirk (associating partners with Him). Abdullah reported that the Prophet, peace, and blessings be upon him, said, "Whoever dies while calling upon a partner besides Allah will enter Hellfire" (Sahih al-Bukhari 4497). However, if they convert to Islam and stop committing shirk, Allah says, "Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them" (Qur'an 8:38).

We can understand three key points from this:
1. Those who die while associating anything with Allah will be forbidden from entering Paradise and will reside in Hell.
2. Those who repent for their sins, including shirk, will receive Allah's mercy.
3. Those who commit major sins but do not associate anything with Allah are subject to Allah's will. If Allah wills, He may punish or forgive them. If punished, their time in Hell will not be eternal; ultimately, they will find their way to Paradise.


Peace!

The verse didn’t mention “whoever dies”. Why are you adding to what is not there?

Almunjid:

It seems that you are not particularly religious, given your manner of speaking. If you are indeed non-religious, it would be considerate to avoid commenting on religious matters, as your words might inadvertently offend the faithful. Should you feel the need to participate in such discussions, I would recommend asking questions rather than criticizing. This approach encourages the faithful to share their insights and fosters a more respectful exchange.

Your assertion that uttering a few words of forgiveness will absolve one of their crimes, even after scamming others, is not ed by any teachings in the Quran or the Bible. Both scriptures emphasize the importance of repentance and making amends with those we have wronged as God forgiveness does not cover the sin of wronging your fellow human. As stated in the Quran, "Whoever cheats will be forced to produce what he gained by cheating on the Day of Judgement; then everyone will be paid their due in full, and they will not be wronged" (Qur'an 3:161). This age clearly illustrates that forgiveness cannot be attained merely by reciting a few words.

Religion serves as a source of moral teachings and principles that might not be acquired otherwise. Many non-religious individuals may struggle with morality and ethical behavior, engaging in selfish and reckless actions. In contrast, religion provides its faithful adherents with principles to guide their actions and shape their character. Unfortunately, some non-religious individuals may only recognize the value of these principles after experiencing the consequences of their misguided choices.

Your assertion that religion is the cause of our leaders' wickedness is also inaccurate. Consider comparing Africa to other continents – you will find that our challenges stem from "greed and selfishness". This inherent tendency to exploit systems for personal gain has allowed religion, politics, and tribalism to be manipulated, fueling corruption and chaos. For instance, some pastors use religion to extort their vulnerable followers, while politicians capitalize on religion, politics, and tribalism to sow discord and secure electoral victories.

The United Arab Emirates serves as a counterexample to your claim. Despite their strong religious convictions, the UAE has undergone rapid development since they discovered oil in 1958. In contrast, Nigeria discovered oil in 1956 but continues to suffer from corruption, poverty, and conflict. The stark contrast between these two countries suggests that our problems cannot be attributed solely to religion. Africa has faced significant challenges throughout history, even before the advent of major world religions. Our continent has been marred by selfish and greedy kings, which have allowed white men to exploit us through slavery, exploit our resources and undermine our progress.

Religion is not the root of our problems – rather, it is the way people choose to interpret and practice it. Good people practice religion peacefully, while evil-doers manipulate religious texts to justify their violent actions. Consider the example of Islam in Nigeria – the same religion practiced peacefully in the southwestern region has been exploited by Boko Haram in the north, albeit with political motivations. This example highlights that no religion is inherently bad – it is the actions and interpretations of its adherents that can lead to negative outcomes.


Peace!

religious countries have the most corrupt and wicked leaders in the world, why is that? Why are countries like Japan, Sweden, Netherlands, Canada etc where leaders are not religious more advanced and less corrupt? Because people believe that if you do evil you suffer the consequences of your crimes but religious countries like Nigeria, Pakistan, Columbia, all other African countries are backward because the leaders believe even if their crimes are as red as crimson, muttering a few words would absorb them of their crimes according to their 'holy books'. That's why they rob us blind and go to church and mosque to make donations and pray

Feldie:
religious countries have the most corrupt and wicked leaders in the world, why is that? Why are countries like Japan, Sweden, Netherlands, Canada etc where leaders are not religious more advanced and less corrupt? Because people believe that if you do evil you suffer the consequences of your crimes but religious countries like Nigeria, Pakistan, Columbia, all other African countries are backward because the leaders believe even if their crimes are as red as crimson, muttering a few words would absorb them of their crimes according to their 'holy books'. That's why they rob us blind and go to church and mosque to make donations and pray

After taking my time to thoroughly explain my perspective, it appears that you are still unable to grasp my point. This could be due to your closed-minded approach, making it difficult to engage in a rational and calm discussion with you. Alternatively, you may be struggling to comprehend the arguments presented. Regardless of the reason, I believe I have done my best to clarify my position. Unfortunately, I don't think I can provide any further clarification to you in this matter.

Opinions are like clothes—everyone has their own. My intention was to encourage you to consider a different perspective, akin to changing into a new, better outfit. However, it seems you are content with your current old and tattered garment. If that is your preference, feel free to continue wearing it.


Peace!

Ekrenji:

The verse didn’t mention “whoever dies”. Why are you adding to what is not there?

That interpretation is derived from the study of "tafsir" (Qur'an exegesis), which helps reveal the deeper meanings of Quranic verses. To gain a better understanding, you may consult sources like Tafsir ibn Kathir, Jalalain etc, or explore the Wikipedia entry on "shirk."

Wikipedia mentioned that: "the Quran, the central religious text of Islam, states in 4:48 that God will not forgive shirk "if one dies" without repenting of it."


Peace!

Almunjid:

That interpretation is derived from the study of "tafsir" (Qur'an exegesis), which helps reveal the deeper meanings of Quranic verses. To gain a better understanding, you may consult sources like Tafsir ibn Kathir, Jalalain etc, or explore the Wikipedia entry on "shirk."

Wikipedia states that: "the Quran, the central religious text of Islam, states in 4:48 that God will not forgive shirk "if one dies" without repenting of it."


Peace!

Is there anywhere in the Quran where it is written that you need the Tafsir to understand the Quran?

Who wrote the Tafsir?


Was it Mohammed himself that received the Quran that also wrote the Tafsir? If he was not, then who were the authors of the Tafsir? Were they with Mohammed when he received Quran? Did they receive the Tafsir from Jibreel too?

Ekrenji:

Is there anywhere in the Quran where it is written that you need the Tafsir to understand the Quran?

Who wrote the Tafsir?


Was it Mohammed himself that received the Quran that also wrote the Tafsir? If he was not, then who were the authors of the Tafsir? Were they with Mohammed when he received Quran? Did they receive the Tafsir from Jibreel too?

Tafsir, in simple , refers to exegesis or commentary on the Quran. It encomes explanations of linguistics, historical contexts, and the circumstances (when, where and how) in which Quranic verses were revealed. An author of Tafsir is called a "mufassir." Mufassirs compile or study numerous Hadiths of the Prophet, historical events, linguistic elements, and the context in which verses were revealed. They then use this knowledge to interpret the Quran for others. A Tafsir aims to provide elucidation, explanation, interpretation, context, or commentary to enhance the understanding and conviction of Quranic verses. To comprehend Quranic verses clearly, one needs to study Tafsir, considering other similar verses, the audience being addressed, and the circumstances surrounding the revelation.

Arabs are group of people with different dialects and tribes. Just as there are many Yoruba tribes who may need explanations to understand a book written in standard Yoruba due to complexity of its vocabularies and grammar, different Arab tribes may also require help understanding the linguistic content from other tribes. Since Prophet Muhammad was from the Quraish tribe, his companions from other tribes often faced difficulties comprehending the linguistics of the Quran, which was mainly revealed in the Quraish dialect. The Prophet would explain the meanings of the verses, considering the linguistic nuances and tribal differences, and these explanations, along with historical context, linguistics etc, formed the basis of Tafsir.

Moreover, Tafsir shares similarities with the Jewish Talmud, a collection of rabbinic discussions, debates, and commentary on Jewish law, history, theology, and ethics, which helps Jewish people interpret the Torah. Furthermore, A lack of understanding of Tafsir can lead to misinterpretations of the Quran, even by Arabic-speaking scholars, resulting in misinformation, radicalism, and terrorism. Similarly, the absence of a compilation of Jesus' explanations of Biblical verses has led to various English-speaking Christians interpreting the Bible based on their understanding, claiming guidance from the Holy Spirit. This has led to the emergence of numerous churches, Christian denominations, different teachings and doctrines. Hopefully, this explanation has helped clarify the concept and importance of Tafsir.


Peace!

Almunjid:

After taking my time to thoroughly explain my perspective, it appears that you are still unable to grasp my point. This could be due to your closed-minded approach, making it difficult to engage in a rational and calm discussion with you. Alternatively, you may be struggling to comprehend the arguments presented. Regardless of the reason, I believe I have done my best to clarify my position. Unfortunately, I don't think I can provide any further clarification to you in this matter.

Opinions are like clothes—everyone has their own. My intention was to encourage you to consider a different perspective, akin to changing into a new, better outfit. However, it seems you are content with your current old and tattered garment. If that is your preference, feel free to continue wearing it.


Peace!

lol you are funny believing in imaginary things concocted by warlords and serial killers yet you have the notion that someone else's idea is like tattered clothes.

Almunjid:

Tafsir, in simple , refers to exegesis or commentary on the Quran. It encomes explanations of linguistics, historical contexts, and the circumstances (when, where and how) in which Quranic verses were revealed. An author of Tafsir is called a "mufassir." Mufassirs compile or study numerous Hadiths of the Prophet, historical events, linguistic elements, and the context in which verses were revealed. They then use this knowledge to interpret the Quran for others. A Tafsir aims to provide elucidation, explanation, interpretation, context, or commentary to enhance the understanding and conviction of Quranic verses. To comprehend Quranic verses clearly, one needs to study Tafsir, considering other similar verses, the audience being addressed, and the circumstances surrounding the revelation.

Arabs are group of people with different dialects and tribes. Just as there are many Yoruba tribes who may need explanations to understand a book written in standard Yoruba due to complexity of its vocabularies and grammar, different Arab tribes may also require help understanding the linguistic content from other tribes. Since Prophet Muhammad was from the Quraish tribe, his companions from other tribes often faced difficulties comprehending the linguistics of the Quran, which was mainly revealed in the Quraish dialect. The Prophet would explain the meanings of the verses, considering the linguistic nuances and tribal differences, and these explanations, along with historical context, linguistics etc, formed the basis of Tafsir.

Moreover, Tafsir shares similarities with the Jewish Talmud, a collection of rabbinic discussions, debates, and commentary on Jewish law, history, theology, and ethics, which helps Jewish people interpret the Torah. Furthermore, A lack of understanding of Tafsir can lead to misinterpretations of the Quran, even by Arabic-speaking scholars, resulting in misinformation, radicalism, and terrorism. Similarly, the absence of a compilation of Jesus' explanations of Biblical verses has led to various English-speaking Christians interpreting the Bible based on their understanding, claiming guidance from the Holy Spirit. This has led to the emergence of numerous churches, Christian denominations, different teachings and doctrines. Hopefully, this explanation has helped clarify the concept and importance of Tafsir.


Peace!

Don’t think that by writing long write up is enough to evade my questions!
You didn’t answer any of my questions.
Let me ask you again.
The Quran itself says it is clear:
And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
-Quran 36:69

1. So if the Quran says that it is clear, where did it ask you to use the Tafsir to understand it? Please provide the reference

2. Did Mohammed author any Tafsir?


3. Are the authors of the Tafsir with Mohammed when he received the Quranic revelation for them to know the meaning of the clear Quran?

Ekrenji:

Don’t think that by writing long write up is enough to evade my questions!
You didn’t answer any of my questions.
Let me ask you again.
The Quran itself says it is clear:
And We did not give Prophet Muhammad, knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur'an"
-Quran 36:69

1. So if the Quran says that it is clear, where did it ask you to use the Tafsir to understand it? Please provide the reference

2. Did Mohammed author any Tafsir?


3. Are the authors of the Tafsir with Mohammed when he received the Quranic revelation for them to know the meaning of the clear Quran?

1. If the Quran states that it is clear, where does it require the use of Tafsir for understanding? Please provide a reference.

The verse you mentioned on "a clear Quran" is correct; Allah has made the Quran clear by explaining its contents to Prophet Muhammad. Nobody is more qualified to explain the revelations than the Prophet himself, as the Angel Jibril also explained them to him. Recognizing that Arabs from different tribes might misunderstand the revelations due to differences in dialect, grammar, and linguistics. Allah says in Quran 75:18-19:
18. So once We have recited a revelation (through Gabriel), follow its recitation (closely).
19. Then it is surely upon Us "to make it clear" (to you).

2. Did Prophet Muhammad author any Tafsir?

Muhammad did not author a Tafsir, just as Jesus did not author the Injeel (Gospel). Instead, his disciples taught the Gospel, transmitting it from generation to generation. The history of Jesus's works, biography, miracles, and teachings were ed down until the generation that finally compiled and wrote the Gospel through inspiration. Similarly, sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad regarding the meaning of Quranic verses, grammar, linguistics, interpretations, and wise quotes were recorded and transmitted through generations. In most authentic Ahadith, you will see the chain of transmitters from person C, who heard from person B, who heard from person A, who heard directly from Prophet Muhammad. This chain of transmission helps establish the credibility and accuracy of the recorded information. The history was also recorded and compiled, eventually forming the Tafsir compilation crucial for understanding and interpreting the Quran's true meaning.

3. Were the authors of the Tafsir present with Prophet Muhammad during his revelations to know the meaning of the clear Quran?

Tafsir authors are akin to the authors of some books in the Gospel, who never met Jesus but received his history and teachings ed down through generations. As with the Gospel, authors like Matthew, John, Luke etc wrote their versions of Jesus's history and teachings transmitted to them, demonstrating a comprehensive understanding. Luke says, "It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly , most excellent Theophilus" (Luke 1:3).

Finally, a "mufassir" is essentially a scholar. Anyone can study Ahadith (sayings of the Prophet), Sirah (history), Linguistics, Nahwu (Grammar), and other related fields to provide the meaning and interpretation of each Quranic verse within the proper context. Not knowing the Prophet's sayings concerning a verse, the historical events surrounding its revelation, or the intended audience may lead to quoting verses out of context, as many contemporary self-proclaimed scholars often do.


Shalom!

Almunjid:


1. If the Quran states that it is clear, where does it require the use of Tafsir for understanding? Please provide a reference.

The verse you mentioned on "a clear Quran" is correct; Allah has made the Quran clear by explaining its contents to Prophet Muhammad. Nobody is more qualified to explain the revelations than the Prophet himself, as the Angel Jibril also explained them to him.

But the same Mohammed did not write any Tafsir yet you are giving us wrong interpretations written by those not present when Mohammed received the revelation. So the answer to my first question is no. The Quran never said that you need the Tafsir to understand the Quran

2. Did Prophet Muhammad author any Tafsir?

[higlight]Muhammad did not author a Tafsir,[/highlight]

Another “NO”

3. Were the authors of the Tafsir present with Prophet Muhammad during his revelations to know the meaning of the clear Quran?

Tafsir authors are akin to the authors of some books in the Gospel, who never met Jesus but received his history and teachings ed down through generations. As with the Gospel, authors like Matthew, John, Luke etc wrote their versions of Jesus's history and teachings transmitted to them, demonstrating a comprehensive understanding. Luke says, "It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly , most excellent Theophilus" (Luke 1:3).

Another “NO”

Ekrenji:

But the same Mohammed did not write any Tafsir yet you are giving us wrong interpretations written by those not present when Mohammed received the revelation. So the answer to my first question is no. The Quran never said that you need the Tafsir to understand the Quran


Another “NO”


Another “NO”

It's quite surprising that you still don't grasp the concept despite the detailed explanations provided. It seems you struggle to differentiate between "Tafsir" and "Hadith", leading you to ask these questions and provide unsatisfactory answers to yourself. I could offer further clarification, but it appears you aren't genuinely seeking understanding; rather, you ask questions with a specific answer already in mind. Engaging in discussions with individuals like you may not be productive, as it seems more beneficial to let you remain in your state of ignorance.


Peace!