Naso jihad dey start.
the yoruba obas didnt respect the alfas so much as fear and were wary of them
Uthman dan fodio and his followers started by being preachers till they instigated violence and took over the northern kingdoms.
Even today, the excessive authority the imams and preachers enjoy is the reason for boko haram in the north.
Keep that your stupid idea to yourself
Or you can relocate to maiduguri if you want.
So even among us, there is no consensus on this matter.
If you say this rubbish in Saudi Arabia.
Bye bye to your head.
Cos you're indeed not doing the job of a muslimah.
No be you post this story last week: https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8132375/disturbing-eid-incident-iseyin-man and painted it as if all Christians are in of the of the pastor?
Stop making issues like this as if it's one religion against the other. There are traditions in that town. Also, the muslim body of this town can meet with the king. We also need to hear the side of story of that king.
Lastly, if the king is a muslim, can't he onish the imam if there are issues?
Religion of the king shouldn't matter Mr Lukgaf! This week alone, you v posted two topics that's describing you as someone that loves politicizing religious issues. We need peace so much in Nigeria.
If I don yab you before, no vex. Personally, I ll donate 72 virgins for you from ya village.
Now to the gist, what really happened?
Who's really at fault?
Christianity has been in existence for over 600yrs before Islam comes into existence through a son given birth by a slave to a particular woman in the bible
Traditional religion has been in existence before Islam entered Yoruba land
Many of you guys are bad student of history
Imam is just a religions title and can never match with traditional title
Imam is just a leader of Muslims who believes in his teachings
A king is the ruler over imams, Pastors, Traditional worshippers, atheist, Hinduism believer and everyone living at a particular city
Never in your life dare compares that smelly noisy ayilara with the king of Ogbomosho
In of education, exposure, financial capability, good records, Oba Ghandi is way above your ordinary Muslim scholar who's parading himself as PhD holder, cos he holds his useless PhD in arabic studies. Arabic studies has never been used to solve any world problem even the phone thdr you use, the story book called quran & the clothes you wore are all work of science
You guys are jealous of the king because he's a Christian whereas your late Muslim fellow king who died is the reason why Ogbomosho never progress till date, even your fellow Muslims were against your useless Ayilara
GHANDI IS old enough to father Toliat
GHANDI 63, Toliat 43 which means 20yrs age difference
Imagine the rubbish you are comparing with a whole king
You just wrote out a bunch of nonsense
The day the king have knelt down for Adeboye then his birth rite is sold already. You won't agree only if you are bias and have religion intolerant
Oga you can't rewrite the history because you don't even know the history of Yoruba with this claim if your.
"Alfa ni baba oba" it's not today we've been hearing it, because it doesn't go well with you doesn't make it a lie.
FaceTanke:
According to the adage you quoted, islam met tradition in Yorubaland... That should tell you that the king as the custodian of tradition has every right of precedence and can determine or query whatever happens in his domain and not the other way round... How can Alfa be baba oba, the oba that gave him permission and space to operate... you guys can usurp ehnnnn....
IamPatriotic:
Please that your proverb is disrespectful and distasteful to Christians and it could an ilorin or oshogbo or ogbosho saying, definitely not a Yoruba adage
Oga, because it doesn't gi well witg you doesn't make it a false.
The OP didn't even write it well, that's how it it's.
"Aye laba'fa, aye laba'mole, osan ganrin ganrin nig agbo Wole de"
That's the reality
What sort of question is this? The writer is a Muslim period.
Muslimahs are peace makers. The op isn't doing that job. More revelations are coming in on this post. In this thread alone, it's said that the Imam's names Ayilara. Saying his folks self don vex for him.
Saying he dey do like Osu!
If I don yab you before, no vex. Personally, I ll donate 72 virgins for you from ya village.
Now to the gist, what really happened?
Who's really at fault?
He was ing the opponent who contested against Ghandi
The Imam himself has issues because his family disowned him with evidence because only 6 families can produce chief Imam of Ogbomosho
Check Ayilara family on YouTube to hear what they saying
League Imams on Ogbomosho are also not in good with that so called in Imam
ThatFairGuy1:
What are you trying to say?
Is this necessary here?
Are you a munaafiq
Check yourself please
He's a sane person, not a munaafiq. On this post, people don open yansh say the guy (Imam) dey do like Osu!
Saying his folks self vex for him. You sef looked like his disciple! Ya face hard like problem!
donofdons:
The problem with all these things is that many Yoruba Muslims are not even conscious of what is going on in their own place, and nigerian Christians don’t even appreciate all the liberal thing they do.
There are 6 non Muslim governors in the southwest and 5 of them have non Muslim deputies. This is despite the fact that states like Osun, Oyo, Ogun and even indigenous lagosians are majority Muslims.
Which Christian majority state in Nigeria can have a Muslim governor talk more is a Muslim governor and deputy?
In Oyo 80% of the Makindes commissioners are Christians. And majority of commissioners in all these states are also Christian, and yet nigerian Christians have never for one day approved Yorubas Muslims. They still get all the insults and are called all sorts of names.
Even states like Plateau with huge Muslim population will never attempt to have a Muslim deputy governor. The Muslims are not the bigots, it’s actually the Christian even though they dress on western cloths and speak English as seem educated, they don’t seem to want or care about justice except when it affects them
May Allah deal with you for this trash. Have you done census of southwest to know which religion is the most?
Is religious issues the only thing that ya coconut head can think of?
Why are you just bigotic?
And who told you Makinde has 80% Christians? See lies that can make DSS carry you?
Oyo State govt, if you are here see this meat called donofdons causing religious tensions here!
Don't talk with half info.
On this matter, we are hearing ya Imam is at fault o. On this thread alone, we dey see write ups by muslims saying his folks don disown him. E en on YouTube there are videos of pointed fingers on the Imam by fellow muslimah.
The day the king have knelt down for Adeboye then his birth rite is sold already. You won't agree only if you are bias and have religion intolerant
Go n tell that rubbish to yahoo boy parading himself as Iwo king. His story was shared on nairaland last week about how your Muslim king was jailed & banished from USA.
GHANDI is a Christian & king over entire Ogbomosho including your mushroom imam Toliat
donofdons:
The problem with all these things is that many Yoruba Muslims are not even conscious of what is going on in their own place, and nigerian Christians don’t even appreciate all the liberal thing they do.
There are 6 non Muslim governors in the southwest and 5 of them have non Muslim deputies. This is despite the fact that states like Osun, Oyo, Ogun and even indigenous lagosians are majority Muslims.
Which Christian majority state in Nigeria can have a Muslim governor talk more is a Muslim governor and deputy?
In Oyo 80% of the Makindes commissioners are Christians. And majority of commissioners in all these states are also Christian, and yet nigerian Christians have never for one day approved Yorubas Muslims. They still get all the insults and are called all sorts of names.
Even states like Plateau with huge Muslim population will never attempt to have a Muslim deputy governor. The Muslims are not the bigots, it’s actually the Christian even though they dress on western cloths and speak English as seem educated, they don’t seem to want or care about justice except when it affects them
In south west, we have more Christians than Muslims but we are not noisemaker like you Muslims
FaceTanke:
According to the adage you quoted, islam met tradition in Yorubaland... That should tell you that the king as the custodian of tradition has every right of precedence and can determine or query whatever happens in his domain and not the other way round... How can Alfa be baba oba, the oba that gave him permission and space to operate... you guys can usurp ehnnnn....
You mean the head of CAN should be determined by the Oba?
Christianity has been in existence for over 600yrs before Islam comes into existence through a son given birth by a slave to a particular woman in the bible
Traditional religion has been in existence before Islam entered Yoruba land
Many of you guys are bad student of history
Imam is just a religions title and can never match with traditional title
Imam is just a leader of Muslims who believes in his teachings
A king is the ruler over imams, Pastors, Traditional worshippers, atheist, Hinduism believer and everyone living at a particular city
Never in your life dare compares that smelly noisy ayilara with the king of Ogbomosho
In of education, exposure, financial capability, good records, Oba Ghandi is way above your ordinary Muslim scholar who's parading himself as PhD holder, cos he holds his useless PhD in arabic studies. Arabic studies has never been used to solve any world problem even the phone thdr you use, the story book called quran & the clothes you wore are all work of science
You guys are jealous of the king because he's a Christian whereas your late Muslim fellow king who died is the reason why Ogbomosho never progress till date, even your fellow Muslims were against your useless Ayilara
GHANDI IS old enough to father Toliat
GHANDI 63, Toliat 43 which means 20yrs age difference
Imagine the rubbish you are comparing with a whole king
Ode. Let your Ghandi face the affairs of CAN. Sebi na him go choose the head of the Baptist community too? Idiot
IamNat:
Why do you people like shifting the goal post all the time. When you were enjoying the benefits of the throne of the Yoruba kings, you didn't realize that Imamship is a Sharia thing right?
I'm not against you people reviewing how you choose your Imam and how you do it, if Imamship will no longer be attached to the Obaship of a certain town, then, it means that, office of the Chief Imam will not be for a specific family again, it also means that the office will not be exclusively for a citizen of that particular town i.e someone from iwo can be chief imam in Ogbomoso and vice versa.
By so doing, it will be obvious that it's not a chieftaincy thing, unfortunately, you all lack the power to do these things because tradition is tradition already. The Chief Imam in Ogbomoso in his letter of appointment had signed that before he will leave his duty post, he will notify the Soun throne, also before he will appoint a representative for himself, he will seek the consent of the Soun throne but now that a Christian is the king, he finds it difficult to fulfill his agreement, he forgets that his loyalty of appointment is to the throne of Soun not to the personality of the king.
Does the head of CAN also seek these permissions from the Christian king?
IamNat:
And I can't but wonder why you guys are pained that Toliat was quarried, it's all over the internet, the video showing when Toliat was been installed as the chief Imam in the Soun's palace, in front of the Soun himself, his staff of office was given by Soun himself, on countless occasions, before the new Soun was installed, Toliat himself has said it that it is only Sòún that can impeach and remove him as Chief Imam, he even said it that he's one of Soun's workers, so what's all the noise about?
A Christian Soun will not dictate Islamic doctrines to the Muslim community.
Or was the Muslim Soun dictating to the Christian community how they should run their faith?
Christlike01:
Oba ba l'ori ohun gbogbo n'ile Yoruba! The Oba is the owner of his town, and all the people therein are his subjects according to the tradition of the Yoruba people. Imams, Alfas, and Pastors are alien to Yoruba culture and tradition. It is, therefore, unacceptable for any Imam or Pastor to think he is not under the authority of a Yoruba Oba in Yoruba land! The highest authority in a typical Yoruba family compound is the Baa'le (family compound head), and such a Baa'le reports directly to the Oba; he is under the authority of the Oba.
In Yoruba land, we all come from our different individual family compounds with the Baa'le as the head of each individual family compound. So, whether Imam, Alfa, or Pastor, you're under the authority of that Baa'le, who reports the affairs of the compound to the Oba, who is the head of the town. Even if the Imam or Pastor is the Baa'le of his family compound, he is still under the authority of the Oba, who is the representative of the Alaale - the ancestral owners of the land/town.
The truth is, the Chief Imam of Ogbomoso is under the Soun of Ogbomoso, and so is the Bishop of the town. They (the Chief Imam and Bishop) are both under the authority of the Oba of Ogbomoso. Ogbomoso is a traditional Yoruba land founded purely on Yoruba tradition and culture. Any Imam who thinks he is not under the authority of a Yoruba king in his domain may have to relocate to Saudi Arabia. The same goes for any Pastor or Bishop who wrongly thinks he is bigger than an Oba in his domain. Such a Pastor or Bishop may have to take his religious activities to Rome, Italy.
Religion and tradition are not the same. Every inch of Yoruba land belongs to the "Alaales," who have been chosen by God Almighty to see to the affairs of their different individual domains. The Obas are the representatives of these "Alaales" in each Yoruba land today.
Any attempt to use religion to cause division or trouble in Yoruba land will be fiercely resisted. Ogbomoso is under the radar of the concerned Yoruba youths and elders, who will not be swayed by any religious sentiment in dealing with those who are fanning the flames of discord in that town.
You mean the CAN head comes to take permission from the Soun to travel?
madridguy:
This disunity among us " Muslim " is the cause of everything.
It's you that has chosen to be confused.
Imām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”
May Allah deal with you for this trash. Have you done census of southwest to know which religion is the most?
Is religious issues the only thing that ya coconut head can think of?
Why are you just bigotic?
And who told you Makinde has 80% Christians? See lies that can make DSS carry you?
Oyo State govt,if you are here see this meat called donofdons causing religious tensions here!
Don't talk with half info.
On this matter, we are hearing ya Imam is at fault o.
Saying his folks don disown him.
Pad my niggo
Padpad
Pampers my niggo
Longtime naw
You know hear am well
Wetin happened be say when they wan choose king... your pastors say imaam no him to be the king and imaam told him out of 22 candidates 2 of you are Christians and the remaining 20 are Muslims and if I gave you what the remaining 20 who come and pray behind me...na so Kasala burst...what is imaam fault because he didn't ghandi....come on..
Imām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”
You mean the CAN head comes to take permission from the Soun to travel?
Not only 'CAN head's,even if it is Pope,as long as he is living in a Yoruba town,the Pope is under the authority of the Oba of that town. He has to relocate to Rome if he can't subject himself to the authority of the Oba. Oba ki pe meji laafin;there can't be two Captains in a ship! The Oba is the only known Representative of the 'Alaales',the ancestral owners of the land/town. A typical Oba in Yoruba land is not a Muslim or Christian;he is a traditionalist!
Soun or any Oba has nothing to do with the itineraries of whatever 'CAN head' or Imam, the Obas are not jobless to be so concerned with such frivolity. The truth however remains that the 'CAN head' or chief Imam is under the authority of the Oba as long as they choose to live in his town. That is a simple fact;a tradition which supercedes any foreign religion- Christianity or Islam.
I'm a full-blooded royal,I won't tolerate any insubordination in my domain - be it from any Imam or 'CAN head'! The 'Alaales' will make the town so hot and unlivable for you that you won't know when you will relocate to Saudi Arabia or Rome, Italy.
You know hear am well
Wetin happened be say when they wan choose king... your pastors say imaam no him to be the king and imaam told him out of 22 candidates 2 of you are Christians and the remaining 20 are Muslims and if I gave you what the remaining 20 who come and pray behind me...na so Kasala burst...what is imaam fault because he didn't ghandi....come on..
Be like say craze dey ya head!
Did I hear you write pampers? You be gaynibal. 72 virgins no reach you? If you love homosexuality, go to ya fellow janjawēeds!
Now to the matter?
That king can't be that petty. From all diggings online, that Alfa and his family aren't on hood . Why?
Interpreters interpreted this matter that he isn't in good with his family. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmaQ5bLZ3gA?si=hlgCBt8Y9LfvgZ5n
Evidences boku internet that the Alfa has more to answer.
