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AntiChristian:


This is not what I asked!

What was the question? One thing you should always know is God is a Spirit. His visible manifestation is his begotten child.

Dsimmer:


What was the question? One thing you should always know is God is a Spirit. His visible manifestation is his begotten child.

God is a spirit!
Demons are spirit!
Angels are spirit!

God = Demon = Angel (Error)

How is God a spirit?

If God created man in his image then what is the image of God?

AntiChristian:


God is a spirit!
Demons are spirit!
Angels are spirit!

God = Demon = Angel (Error)

How is God a spirit?

If God created man in his image then what is the image of God?

Angels or others are not the visible manifestation of God which created the universe 📌. God's visible manifestation is his begotten child which created the universe. Human were created in the image of the begotten child which is the visible manifestation of God.

Demons would have to use human image to perpetuate their actions. There's no even demon, except the useless terrorists or the humans harming/murdering others unwarranted.

Dsimmer:


Angels or others don't have the visible manifestation of God. God's visible manifestation is his begotten child. Human were created in the image of the begotten child which is the visible manifestation of God.

Demons would have to use human image to perpetuate their actions. There's no even demon, except the useless terrorists or the humans harming/murdering others unwarranted.

Which verse mentions God's visible manifestation on any son?

AntiChristian:


Which verse mentions God's visible manifestation on any son?

John 1 :1-5.

"In the beginning, there was the word who was with God and also God. And the word which is light became flesh and dwelled among us"

Thus Ela became flesh. That's why the Europeans practicing Christianity say "Jesus is Lord". That is, Jesus is Ela.

Meanwhile, Ifaodu also infer that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare and also says Ela is the begotten child of Olodumare but since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela. Yoruba practising Christianity would say "Jesu ni Oluwa".

As a matter of fact, "Olodumare Ayeraye" is an invisible spirit whose begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) represent his visible manifestation.

Ela Omoloju Olodumare is the begotten child of Olodumare Ayeraye who's a spirit. Ela in Yoruba language means Light, Purity, Clarity, Intelligence et al which are the visible manifestation of Olodumare Ayeraye who's a Spirit📌 Basically, Olodumare Ayeraye who is a spirit is the supreme creator whose begotten child is the visible manifestation of himself. Ela Omoloju Olodumare became flesh and was revealed to the Yoruba, even as Jesus was also revealed to the Jews. As a matter of fact, Ifa infers that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare, and also says Elarowaye is the begotten child of Olodumare however since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela.

Meanwhile, the Orishas are the several intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye made manifested by the begotten child who is the visible manifestation of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us. What Olodumare expects from us is righteousness, intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation has done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world. Yoruba ancestors understood all that and that was why they were creating several things such as road pavements, beads, Iron works, Orayan Obelisk, several cuisines, fabrics, Ifaodu technology which contain Yoruba ancient civilization and creativity etc. The point is, the orisha are the intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us.

Eshu for example is an Orisha of cross roads which represents our decision making whether good (Iye) or bad (Iku). Let's not forget that all the Orishas are the intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us📌 Eshu represents our decision making and also the law.

Now, Ifa which often speak in parables says Jewesun who's the lamb and the begotten child of Olodumare came to the world but refused to offer goat sacrifice to Eshu yet also offered lamb sacrifice with red cloth and white cloth. That's a parable of course.

As a matter of fact, Ifa always speak in parables while expecting us to use our intellect to decode the deep meaning of it. Anyways, let's take a look at both the literal and the symbolic meaning of the parable, since some Yoruba had been taking the ebo in the literal sense of it whereas the Ebo are only educative symbolisms to depict creativity, nutrition, agriculture or animal husbandry (ranches). So In the literal sense of the lamb parable, a lamb was offered literally. However, since Jewesun is also regarded as the lamb who's begotten by Olodumare according to Ifa, then it meant Jewesun who's regarded as the lamb begottten by Olodumare offered himself and resurrected to redeem the world hence abolishing all form of sacrifices in the literal sense of it, even as it's also emphatically stated in Ela Iwori that nothing is required from anyone as a matter of fact 📌. Basically, nothing is required from anyone in the literal sense of it as a matter of fact. the ebo are only educative symbolism to depict agriculture, nutrition, creativity, good virtues...

Now, let's take a look at the symbolic meaning of the lamb parable, the lamb represents purity, humility, nurturing, animal husbandry. The red cloth represents redemption and justice while the white cloth represents purity/righteousness and intelligence. All these are attributes of Ela Omoloju Olodumare who was revealed to the Yoruba which is also equivalent of Jesus of the Jews📌

As for Eshu symbolism in the parable, we already know Eshu represent the law, even as Jesus also stated that he represented the law however, he came to have mercy hence we can say while Law should be made without mercy however, Justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if the case warrants it. Apart from the law, Eshu also represent crossroads which is ìyè (Good) and Iku (Wrong ). Jesus chose Ìyè hence "Ye-Eshu". Ìyè in Yoruba means "Exist" or "Alive"..

Since Jesus picked "Iye" thus, "Ye-Eshu" which is equivalent of the "Jewesun" as stated by Ifa. Let's also note that Yoruba sometimes use J for Y. For example, "It shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" or "Ye ki o wa" however, it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa". So, "Ye ewe sun" is "Je ewe sun" which translate into "let the leaf sleep" which means serenity and tranquility. Basically, Ifa infers Jewesun as the begotten child of Olodumare and also Ela as the begotten child of Olodumare but since Ifa says Olodumare Ayeraye has only one begotten child then it means, Jewesun is the same as Ela. Hence, "Jewesun is Ela".. That is, Jesus is Lord which Christianity often says.

So when Christianity say similar thing, I understand the whole perspective of it. The point is Olodumare Ayeraye is a spirit whose begotten child represent his visible manifestation which got revealed to the world to the Yoruba, even as revealed to the Jews. Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare came to the Yoruba (Omoluabi) while Jesus (Yesu) came to the Yakob/Yehudah (Israelites). Hence, I understand the whole perspective.

However, what I won't tolerate is any useless terrorist idiot trying to steal other people's territories, irrespective of any religion (Islam or Christianity) which the idiot is practising. Or any attempt to erode Yoruba's beautiful culture!

Basically, what Olodumare expects from us is integrity/righteousness and also making use of our intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

What about only begotten daughter? Nobody asks about her! She has feeling too!!!

Dsimmer:


John 1 :1-5.

"In the beginning, there was the word who was with God and also God. And the word which is light became flesh and dwelled among us"

Thus Ela became flesh. That's why the Europeans practicing Christianity say "Jesus is Lord". That is, Jesus is Ela.

Meanwhile, Ifaodu also infer that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare and also says Ela is the begotten child of Olodumare but since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela. Yoruba practising Christianity would say "Jesu ni Oluwa".

As a matter of fact, "Olodumare Ayeraye" is an invisible spirit whose begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) represent his visible manifestation.

Ela Omoloju Olodumare is the begotten child of Olodumare Ayeraye who's a spirit. Ela in Yoruba language means Light, Purity, Clarity, Intelligence et al which are the visible manifestation of Olodumare Ayeraye who's a Spirit📌 Basically, Olodumare Ayeraye who is a spirit is the supreme creator whose begotten child is the visible manifestation of himself. Ela Omoloju Olodumare became flesh and was revealed to the Yoruba, even as Jesus was also revealed to the Jews. As a matter of fact, Ifa infers that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare, and also says Elarowaye is the begotten child of Olodumare however since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela.

Meanwhile, the Orishas are the several intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye made manifested by the begotten child who is the visible manifestation of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us. What Olodumare expects from us is righteousness, intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation has done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world. Yoruba ancestors understood all that and that was why they were creating several things such as road pavements, beads, Iron works, Orayan Obelisk, several cuisines, fabrics, Ifaodu technology which contain Yoruba ancient civilization and creativity etc. The point is, the orisha are the intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us.

Eshu for example is an Orisha of cross roads which represents our decision making whether good (Iye) or bad (Iku). Let's not forget that all the Orishas are the intelligent creative attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us📌 Eshu represents our decision making and also the law.

Now, Ifa which often speak in parables says Jewesun who's the lamb and the begotten child of Olodumare came to the world but refused to offer goat sacrifice to Eshu yet also offered lamb sacrifice with red cloth and white cloth. That's a parable of course.

As a matter of fact, Ifa always speak in parables while expecting us to use our intellect to decode the deep meaning of it. Anyways, let's take a look at both the literal and the symbolic meaning of the parable, since some Yoruba had been taking the ebo in the literal sense of it whereas the Ebo are only educative symbolisms to depict creativity, nutrition, agriculture or animal husbandry (ranches). So In the literal sense of the lamb parable, a lamb was offered literally. However, since Jewesun is also regarded as the lamb who's begotten by Olodumare according to Ifa, then it meant Jewesun who's regarded as the lamb begottten by Olodumare offered himself and resurrected to redeem the world hence abolishing all form of sacrifices in the literal sense of it, even as it's also emphatically stated in Ela Iwori that nothing is required from anyone as a matter of fact📌. Basically, nothing is required from anyone in the literal sense of it as a matter of fact. the ebo are only educative symbolism to depict agriculture, nutrition, creativity, good virtues..

Now, let's take a look at the symbolic meaning of the lamb parable, the lamb represents purity, humility, nurturing, animal husbandry. The red cloth represents redemption and justice while the white cloth represents purity/righteousness and intelligence. All these are attributes of Ela Omoloju Olodumare who was revealed to the Yoruba which is also equivalent of Jesus of the Jews📌

As for Eshu symbolism in the parable, we already know Eshu represent the law, even as Jesus also stated that he represented the law however, he came to have mercy hence we can say while Law should be made without mercy however, Justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if the case warrants it. Apart from the law, Eshu also represent crossroads which is ìyè (Good) and Iku (Wrong ). Jesus chose Ìyè hence "Ye-Eshu". Ìyè in Yoruba means "Exist" or "Alive"..

Since Jesus picked "Iye" thus, "Ye-Eshu" which is equivalent of the "Jewesun" as stated by Ifa. Let's also note that Yoruba sometimes use J for Y. For example, "It shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" or "Ye ki o wa" however, it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa". So, "Ye ewe sun" is "Je ewe sun" which translate into "let the leaf sleep" which means serenity and tranquility. Basically, Ifa infers Jewesun as the begotten child of Olodumare and also Ela as the begotten child of Olodumare but since Ifa says Olodumare Ayeraye has only one begotten child then it means, Jewesun is the same as Ela. Hence, "Jewesun is Ela".. That is, Jesus is Lord which Christianity often says.

So when Christianity say similar thing, I understand the whole perspective of it. The point is Olodumare Ayeraye is a spirit whose begotten child represent his visible manifestation which got revealed to the world to the Yoruba, even as revealed to the Jews. Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare came to the Yoruba (Omoluabi) while Jesus (Yesu) came to the Yakob/Yehudah (Israelites). Hence, I understand the whole perspective.

However, what I won't tolerate is any useless terrorist idiot trying to steal other people's territories, irrespective of any religion (Islam or Christianity) which the idiot is practising. Or any attempt to erode Yoruba's beautiful culture!

Basically, what Olodumare expects from us is integrity/righteousness and also making use of our intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

📌📌

When one take a look at the whole thing, one can see some similarities between the Yoruba and Jews, including some similar languages with similar meaning for example:

Yoruba (Jews)

Iwaye/Ayeraye (Yahweh) - Alive
Oluwa (Eloah) - Lord,
Orun (Aron) - Great height/heaven,
Binu (Benas)-Anger,
Bere (Bereshesh)- Beginning,
Aanu (Hannah) - Favour,
Melo (Melo) - Fullness,
Ori (Rosh) - Head.

Also, One of the Oriki of the Yoruba apart from "Omoluabi, Kaaro Ojire, Adulawo" is "Iseri Imole" which the Awori often bears. Now take a look at the word, Iseri and Israel. Isra-el. The El at the end of Isra is Ela which means light in Yoruba. Now observe Iseri.. Iseri means "dew". Aside this, Yoruba also have another word "Isera" which means purity/righteousness. It can also mean fasting (Fasting is known as Lent to the Europeans practicing Christianity btw ). Anyways, the basic meaning of Isera in Yoruba is ''purity'' (righteousness) which is relative to Iseri which means dew, considering the fact that dew are pure! Basically, Iseri and Isera are derived from each other.

Anyways, Iseri... Isera... Israel.. Seraph 😅.. lol. Observe the similarities 😂 That's also Sarah's name btw. It's not surprising Israel is named Israel apart from Yakob name 📌, considering they're from Sarah 😅 hence the Israel name but with the "El" in it. Israel also bear Yakob/Yehudah!

Meanwhile, Yoruba also have the word, "Akobi" as firstborn . In addition , Yoruba have got a tradition where the second twin become the Akobi (Firstborn) of the twins. That was exactly the case of J(Akobi). Meanwhile, Yoruba known as Yoruba (which means "Joyful is the headking" ) are also regarded as Omoluabi, Adulawo, Kaaro Ojire..

IsraEl = Yakob/Yehudah (Judah)...
Iseri Ela (Omoluabi/Olu) = Yoruba..

considering the strange similarities, I understand why some Europeans linked the Yoruba to the Israelites/Jews.

Whichever, Yoruba are simply Yoruba (Omoluabi)!..

Dsimmer:


John 1.

"In the beginning, there was the word who was with God and also God. And the word which is light became flesh and dwelled among us"

Thus Ela became flesh. That's why the Europeans say Jesus is Lord.

Meanwhile, Yoruba Ifa also infer that Jewesun is Ela because Ifa says Jewesun is the begotten child of Olodumare and since Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Jewesun is the same as Ela. Jewesun = Ela. Yoruba practising Christianity would say "Jesu ni Oluwa".

Funnily, the Yoruba Ifa practisioner have always been using Ela side by side with Eshu before the Missionaries came. What does Eshu represents? Eshu is an Orisha which represent two cross roads which is our decision making whether good (Iye) or bad (Iku). Let's not forget that all the Orishas are attributes of Olodumare📌 Eshu also represent law📌, apart from the two crossroads.

Now Ifa says Jewesun who's the lamb
and the begotten child of Olodumare came to the world and offered lamb sacrifice with red cloth & white cloth but refused to offer sacrifice to Eshu. Ifa always speak in parables but let's take a look at both the literal and the deep meaning of it since some Yoruba had been taking the ebo literally when the Ebo are rather creative symbolism, agriculture or animal husbandry (ranches). So In the literal sense of it, Jewesun abolished ebo sacrifices and sacrificed himself to redeem the world since Ifa already says Jewesun is the lamb, then it means Jewesun offered himself to redeem the world thereby abolishing all form of sacrifices. Therefore, all ebo sacrifices have been abolished in the literal sense of it📌

However, the symbolic meaning of it also represent redemption because the lamb represent redemption and humility. The red cloth represent redemption and justice) while the white cloth represent purity/righteousness and intelligence. All these are attributes of Ela (Omoloju Olodumare) of the Yoruba which is equivalent to Jesus of the Jews📌 As for Eshu symbolism in the parable, we already know Eshu represent law however we all know Jesus didn't come to enforce the law or condemn the world when he came but to have mercy, even when he had the power to enforce. Apart from the law, Eshu also represent two crossroads which is ìyè (Good) and Iku (Wrong ) but Jesus chose Ìyè. Thus Ye-Eshu. Ìyè in Yoruba means "Exist" or "Alive"💥

So Jesus picked "Iye" thus, "Ye-Eshu" Hence, Jewesun which is stated in Ifa. Let's also note that Yoruba sometimes use J for Y. For example, "It shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" or "Ye ki o wa" however, it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa". So, "Yewesun" is "Je ewe sun" which translate into "let the leaf sleep" which means serenity and tranquility. As a matter of fact, Ifa infers Ela as Jewesun, thus Ela =Jewesun📌 Hence, "Jesus is Lord". Personally, I believe Ela (Jewesun) coming to the world was to redeem the world by destroying the ajogun.

The point is Olodumare is a spirit whose visible manifestation is his begotten child (Ela Jewesun) who was revealed to the world through the Yoruba and the Jews. Ela (Omoloju Olodumare) came to the Yoruba (Omoluabi) while Jesus came to the Jews. Hence, Jesus is Lord.

Anyways, what Olodumare expect from humans apart from integrity/righteousness is making use of their intelligent creativity to make their society better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

The verse you quoted didn't even mention any manifestation nor any son!
How are you guys like this?

AntiChristian:
What does begotten mean?

By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his Begotten/one and only son (Hebrew 11:17).

God impregnated someone like Abraham did Sarah above! That's the use of begotten!

My God is far from all these yama yama! Why does God need a son to help him in his dominion? Is He not capable of doing all things by Himself?

English dey affect you aswear..

Come and see the yama yama your allah is good at, an idol for that matter



Your allah wish to have a son

Quran 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created...

Your islamic deity allah has daughters

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females

Antiislaam:


English dey affect you aswear..

Come and see the yama yama your allah is good at, an idol for that matter

Your allah wish to have a son

Quran 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created...

Your islamic deity allah has daughters

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females

So all those verses you quoted do not have context?
What are the context of each?

Even if you didn't attend a good school at least you should be able to train yourself to check context before shaming yourself!

AntiChristian:
Tell me how YHWH beget Jesus now?

I want to know how God dey born. I have seen human and animals tire!

The problem with you is your inability to understand Yahweh as revealed from Hebrew text down to Jesus time.

Sorry, Hebrew and Greek Text of Christian will never be the same as Quran because Quran isn't the product of the same Yahweh who BIRTH the Hebrew and Greek text.

If you think BEGOTTEN means God must have sexual intercorse with human then it's your gross misunderstanding and not that of the Bible.

In Psalm 90:2 we read New International Version: "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

New Living Translation: "Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God."

The same thing we read in Prov 8:25 as eternal wisdom of Yahweh is expressed

New International Version:
"before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth"

New Living Translation:
"Before the mountains were formed, before the hills, I was born"

So, if you think you can use your quack Quranic knowledge to interpret God's word, you're in a long thing because it can never be the same.

Yahweh has several sons as stated clearly in both the Hebrew and Greek Text Jesus is the ONLY UNIQUE Son.

In a nutshell, the god of your Quran can never be the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

AntiChristian:


So all those verses you quoted do not have context?
What are the context of each?

Even if you didn't attend a good school at least you should be able to train yourself to check context before shaming yourself!

Shey na Surat context you wan take jakpa or because people dey talk context naso you self dey talk context abi? At this your age you don't know what context is bah? O l'agbara bayi ooo, Islam has destroy your life kpatakpata


Naso you dey shout context in one of the topic you created but you were disgraced and shamed after they hammered your skull with the truth


https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8121642/10-10-questions-christians-wont/1#130500010


Boya I go change your name to Slave Context

AntiChristian:


The verse you quoted didn't even mention any manifestation nor any son!
How are you guys like this?

Are you saying you can't use your intelligence or you've got none?

Read John 1:1-5 and tell me what it is.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it"

As a matter of fact, Olodumare is a Spirit whose visible manifestation is his begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare), thus creating the universe. Omoloju Olodumare who's the begotten child is Ela. Ela in Yoruba language means Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, Intelligence..📌

Ela who is Omoloju Olodumare was later revealed to the Yoruba and was born of a virgin woman Oyigi. He died but resurrected and ascended 📌

Just as Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare was revealed as flesh born of a virgin woman to the Yoruba, same was revealed as flesh to the Jews

In all of this, what Olodumare expect from human apart from integrity is to use their intelligent creativity to make the society better and innovative, just like his visible manifestation (Omoloju Olodumare) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

You need to show me where any son is mentioned in the verses as the manifestation you claim!
Perhaps you can put the son in bold!

Dsimmer:


Are you saying you can't use your intelligence or you've got none?

Read John 1:1-5 and tell me what it is.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it"

As a matter of fact, Olodumare is a Spirit whose visible manifestation is his begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare), thus creating the universe. Omoloju Olodumare who's the begotten child is Ela. Ela in Yoruba language means Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, Intelligence..📌

Ela who is Omoloju Olodumare was later revealed to the Yoruba and was born of a virgin woman Oyigi. He died but resurrected and ascended 📌

In all of this, what Olodumare expect from human apart from integrity is to use their intelligent creativity to make the society better and innovative, just like his visible manifestation (Omoloju Olodumare) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

Antiislaam:


Shey na Surat context you wan take jakpa or because people dey talk context naso you self dey talk context abi? At this your age you don't know what context is bah? O l'agbara bayi ooo, Islam has destroy your life kpatakpata


Naso you dey shout context in one of the topic you created but you were disgraced and shamed after they hammered your skull with the truth


https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8121642/10-10-questions-christians-wont/1#130500010


Boya I go change your name to Slave Context

Na your other moniker?

I don't think you need to abuse so much to make your point! But such abuse is a Christian thing!
Abeg who frustrate you?

Emusan:


The problem with you is your inability to understand Yahweh as revealed from Hebrew text down to Jesus time.

The Hebrew Yahweh is largely different from the Greek Yahweh! You can't say they are the same!

Sorry, Hebrew and Greek Text of Christian will never be the same as Quran because Quran isn't the product of the same Yahweh who BIRTH the Hebrew and Greek text.

No Muslim ever said they were the same. The Qur'an is better preserved till tomorrow than all the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts you have!

If you think BEGOTTEN means God must have sexual intercourse with human then it's your gross misunderstanding and not that of the Bible.

In Psalm 90:2 we read New International Version: "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

New Living Translation: "Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God."

The same thing we read in Prov 8:25 as eternal wisdom of Yahweh is expressed

New International Version:
"before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth"

New Living Translation:
"Before the mountains were formed, before the hills, I was born"

How did Yahweh beget Jesus? Did he beget him like he did the mountains, earth and hills you quoted above?

So, if you think you can use your quack Quranic knowledge to interpret God's word, you're in a long thing because it can never be the same.

I never said it was the same! The covenants were written independently and there was never any wholistic approach to its compilation!

Yahweh has several sons as stated clearly in both the Hebrew and Greek Text Jesus is the ONLY UNIQUE Son.

Did Yahweh tell you in the Hebrew and Greek text specifically why he needs to have sons and a unique son?

In a nutshell, the god of your Quran can never be the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

My God is the God of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Jesus, Muhammad, David, Elijah, John, Zechariah, Jonah, Joseph, Solomon, Elisha, etc.

But our God does not drink tea!
He doesn't become man!
He doesn't need to have son to inherit Him or help him save others!
He doesn't need to exist in trinity as He is one, Powerful to do all things on His own!

AntiChristian:
You need to show me where any son is mentioned in the verses as the manifestation you claim!
Perhaps you can put the son in bold!

John 1:14-15

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

15. John (the Baptist) testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has sured me because he was before me.’”

As a matter of fact, Ela Omoloju Olodumare who is the visible manifestation of Olodumare became flesh and was revealed to the Yoruba 📌 Ela was born of a virgin woman named Oyigi. He took over the Orunmila role for a while before his death however he resurrected and ascended.

Just as Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare was revealed as flesh born of a virgin woman to the Yoruba, same was revealed as flesh to the Jews.

So what you mean is that God's word became flesh and dwell among us!

So God couldn't speak till his son (or word) returned to Him?

Dsimmer:


John 1:14-15

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

15. John (the Baptist) testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has sured me because he was before me.’”

Ela (Omoloju Olodumare) who is the visible manifestation of Olodumare became flesh and was revealed to the Yoruba 📌 Ela was born of a virgin woman named Oyigi. He took over the Orunmila role for a while before his death however he resurrected and ascended📌

AntiChristian:


Na your other moniker?

See confusion again Mr Context..

Sebi u once said I be advocate.jare, bobo no take Surat context jakpa jare

Antiislaam:


Come and see the yama yama your allah is good at, an idol for that matter


Your allah wish to have a son

Quran 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created...

Your islamic deity allah has daughters

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females

AntiChristian:

I don't think you need to abuse so much to make your point! But such abuse is a Christian thing!
Abeg who frustrate you?

Point out the abuse in my post!

The only frustrated person here is one creating multiple thread upon threads on Bible yet with no understanding of it.

The Hebrew Yahweh is largely different from the Greek Yahweh! You can't say they are the same!

Never!

That's why both Greek and Hebrew text compliment each other and the reason Quran is far from the two.

No Muslim ever said they were the same. The Qur'an is better preserved till tomorrow than all the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts you have!

Liar!

You do, that is even why you believe Muhammad is found in the same unpreserved texts.

How did Yahweh beget Jesus? Did he beget him like he did the mountains, earth and hills you quoted above?

I've shown you how BEGOTTEN was used

Which means it's not sexual intercorse the Bible is talking about.

I never said it was the same! The covenants were written independently and there was never any wholistic approach to its compilation!

Then you thinking that Yahweh beget Jesus through sex shouldn't be your point here.

Did Yahweh tell you in the Hebrew and Greek text specifically why he needs to have sons and a unique son?

He only SENT HIS SON TO EARTH.

Forget story.

My God is the God of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Jesus, Muhammad, David, Elijah, John, Zechariah, Jonah, Joseph, Solomon, Elisha, etc.

No!

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Noah Elijah is FATHER and this is ed by both Hebrew and Greek Texts so you can't be having the same God with them since your god isn't a FATHER.

But our God does not drink tea!
He doesn't become man!
He doesn't need to have son to inherit Him or help him save others!
He doesn't need to exist in trinity as He is one, Powerful to do all things on His own!

Your palaver.

Both Hebrew and Greek texts shows God is a FATHER Quran does not that.

Both Hebrew and Greek texts shows God received praises reason why He even gave David psalms (which means song) but your Allah forbid song after lying that he gave David psalms.

Definitely, the author of Quran doesn't know the meaning of psalms.

AntiChristian:
So what you mean is that God's word became flesh and dwell among us!

So God couldn't speak till his son (or word) returned to Him?

The problem with you is you can't understand.

In Yoruba religion, the begotten child is the visible manifestation of Olodumare. Ela Omoloju Olodumare is the visible manifestation of Olodumare.

Now what's the meaning of Ela in Yoruba?

In Yoruba, Ela has several meaning ranging from Light, Purity, Clarity, Word, Intelligence..

Ela is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who is a Spirit.

It didn't mean Olodumare couldn't speak after his begotten child, Ela was revealed to the world by becoming flesh born of a Virgin woman (Oyigi) till his begotten child returned to him. Basically, The point is the begotten child is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who's a Spirit. Olodumare is a Spirit who's not visible to anyone.

That was why Jesus said "No one has seen the father except the begotten child".

Dsimmer:

Meanwhile, when one take a look at the whole thing, one can see some similarities between the Yoruba and Jews, including some similar languages with similar meaning for example:

Yoruba (Jews)

Iwaye/Ayeraye (Yahweh) - Alive
Oluwa (Eloah) - Lord,
Orun (Aron) - Great height/heaven,
Binu (Benas)-Anger,
Bere (Bereshesh)- Beginning,
Aanu (Hannah) - Favour,
Melo (Melo) - Fullness,
Ori (Rosh) - Head.

Also, One of the Oriki of the Yoruba apart from "Omoluwabi, Kaaro Ojire, Adulawo" is "Iseri Imole" which the Awori often bears. Now take a look at the word, Iseri and Israel. Isra-el. The El at the end of Isra is Ela which means light in Yoruba. Now observe Iseri.. Iseri means "dew". Aside this, Yoruba also have another Yoruba word "Isera" which means purity/righteousness. It can also mean fasting (Fasting is known as Lent to the Europeans practicing Christianity btw ). Anyways, the main meaning of Isera in Yoruba is ''purity'' (righteousness) which is relative to Iseri which means dew, considering the fact that dew are pure! Basically, Iseri and Isera are derived from each other.

Anyways, Iseri... Isera... Israel... lol. Observe the similarities 😂 That's also Sarah's name btw. It's not surprising Israel is named Israel, considering they're from Sarah.

Meanwhile, Yoruba also have the word, "Akobi" as firstborn . In addition , Yoruba have got a tradition where the second twin become the Akobi (Firstborn) of the twins. That was exactly the case of J(Akobi). Meanwhile, Yoruba known as Yoruba (which means "Joyful is the headking" ) are also regarded as Omoluabi, Adulawo, Kaaro Ojire..

Israel/Israelites = Yakob/Yehudah (Judah)...
Iseri Ela (Omoluabi/Olu) = Yoruba..

So I understand why some link the Yoruba to the Jews considering the strange similarities.

Whichever, whether Jews or not, Yoruba are simply Yoruba (Omoluabi)!😎

Let me add that Yoruba pronounces Ch as Sh (ṣ). For example, Iṣe.

Yoruba also uses K for C, for example, "to scream or belt with high voice" is "ke" in Yoruba 😅 from which "korin" (sing) is derived (Ke + Orin= Korin)

Iṣe-ri mean "dews" in Yoruba while Isera means "Purity/Righteousness" which is relative to dew, considering dew are pure. Hence, Isera and Iseri are coined from each other.

Iṣeri... Isera... Seraph... Isra-el...
Cherub.. Ke-orin..

There's also "Sarah/Sera"...🧐

Isera means purity/righteousness in Yoruba while Iseri means dews.

Whichever, whether Jews or not, Yoruba are simply Yoruba (Omoluabi ). Because even if the Yoruba were Jews who parted early from the Jews or not, the Yoruba have carved out their own Ife cradle ancestry with their several ancestral cultural heroes with beautiful cultural exploits such as Obatala, Sango, Oya, Orunmila (Ela), Ogun, Olokun, Osun, Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula), Osoosi, Oranmiyan etc..

Speaking of Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula) btw, Oduduwa even made me understand some Jewish history in the scripture.

For example, Oduduwa is known as Olofin which means "the one given the law". Oduduwa came from Oke Ora. Now look at the word "Ora". The "Ora" word looks similar to the mountains of "Ararat" and also "Torah". Torah represents "the Law" in Jewish (Hebrew) language. Oduduwa who is also known as Olofin which means "the one given the law" came from "Ora" which is similar to the word "Torah" which represent the law

Since Noah's ark known as "Tevah" rested over the mountains of "Ararat", then, we can say it was "mercy" which saved Noah's ark because "Tevah" rested above the mountains of "Ararat" (Ararat=Torah=Law) thus meaning, Tevah rested above the "law (Ora)" 🧐 Hence, Ife + Ora = Ooreofe. As a matter of fact, "Ora" is quite integral in Yoruba history because it's where Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula) came from before merging Ora with Ife = OoreOfe.

Meanwhile, Jesus who also represent the law died but was raised up from death thus ensuring mercy/salvation persists at the face of the Law, just as the Noah's ark was raised above "Ora/Law)". There was also Elarowaye of the Yoruba who was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and also resurrected after his death.

Basically, Ela (Elarowaye) came to the Yoruba while Jesus (Yeshu) came to the Jews. Both were born of a virgin woman. Both resurrected and ascended after their death. So yes, I it there are a lot of similarities between the Yoruba/Omoluwabi and the Yakob/Israel.

Anyways, what Olodumare Ayeraye expects from us is integrity and also to use our intelligence and creativity to improve, invent and make our community better, just like the begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌Yoruba ancient ancestors understood all that and that was why they invented a lot such as, pavement roads, drums, creative fabrics, beads, metallurgy, stone sculptures, Oranyan Obelisk, Ifaodu technology which contains Yoruba ancient civilization in addition with agriculture and animal husbandry which are also part of it. Basically, what Olodumare expect from us is Integrity (righteousness), intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation (the begotten child) had done.

Dsimmer:


Whichever, whether Jews or not, Yoruba are simply Yoruba (Omoluabi ). Because even if the Yoruba were Jews who parted early from the Jews or not, the Yoruba have carved out their own Ife cradle ancestry with their several ancestral cultural heroes with beautiful cultural exploits such as Obatala, Sango, Oya, Orunmila (Ela), Ogun, Olokun, Osun, Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula), Osoosi, Oranmiyan etc..

Speaking of Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula) btw, Oduduwa even made me understand some Jewish history in the scripture.

Speaking of Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula) btw, Oduduwa even made me understand some Jewish history in the scripture.

For example, Oduduwa is known as Olofin which means "the one given the law". Oduduwa came from Oke Ora. Now look at the word "Ora". The "Ora" word looks similar to the mountains of "Ararat" and also "Torah". Torah represents "the Law" in Jewish (Hebrew) language. Oduduwa who is also known as Olofin which means "the one given the law" came from "Ora" which is similar to the word "Torah" which represent the law shocked

Since Noah's ark known as "Tevah" rested over the mountains of "Ararat", then, we can say it was "mercy" which saved Noah's ark because "Tevah" rested above the mountains of "Ararat" (Ararat=Torah=Law) thus meaning, Tevah rested above the "law (Ora)" 🧐 Hence, Ife + Ora = Ooreofe. As a matter of fact, "Ora" is quite integral in Yoruba history because it's where Oduduwa (Olofin Adimula) came from before merging Ora with Ife = OoreOfe.

Meanwhile, Jesus who also represent the law died but was raised up from death thus ensuring mercy/salvation persists at the face of the Law, just as the Noah's ark was raised above "Ora/Law)". There was also Elarowaye of the Yoruba who was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and also resurrected after his death.

Basically, Ela (Elarowaye) came to the Yoruba while Jesus (Yeshu) came to the Jews. Both were born of a virgin woman. Both resurrected and ascended after their death. So yes, I it there are a lot of similarities between the Yoruba/Omoluwabi and the Yakob/Israel.

Anyways, what Olodumare Ayeraye expects from us is integrity and also to use our intelligence and creativity to improve, invent and make our community better, just like the begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌Yoruba ancient ancestors understood all that and that was why they invented a lot such as, pavement roads, drums, creative fabrics, beads, metallurgy, stone sculptures, Oranyan Obelisk, Ifaodu technology which contains Yoruba ancient civilization in addition with agriculture and animal husbandry which are also part of it. Basically, what Olodumare expect from us is Integrity (righteousness), intelligence and creativity to improve our community, just like his visible manifestation (the begotten child) had done.

📌📌📌

Dsimmer:


Meanwhile, when one take a look at the whole thing, one can see some similarities between the Yoruba and Jews, including some similar languages with similar meaning for example:

Yoruba (Jews)

Iwaye/Ayeraye (Yahweh) - Alive
Oluwa (Eloah) - Lord,
Orun (Aron) - Great height/heaven,
Binu (Benas)-Anger,
Bere (Bereshesh)- Beginning,
Aanu (Hannah) - Favour,
Melo (Melo) - Fullness,
Ori (Rosh) - Head.

Also, One of the Oriki of the Yoruba apart from "Omoluabi, Kaaro Ojire and Adulawo" is "Iseri Imole" which the Awori often bears. Now take a look at the word, Iseri and Israel. Isra-el. The El at the end of Isra is Ela which means light in Yoruba. Now observe Iseri.. Iseri means "dew". Aside this, Yoruba also have another Yoruba word "Isera" which means purity/righteousness. It can also mean fasting (Fasting is known as Lent to the Europeans practicing Christianity btw ). Anyways, the main meaning of Isera in Yoruba is ''purity'' (righteousness) which is relative to Iseri which means dew, considering the fact that dew are pure! Basically, Iseri and Isera are derived from each other.

Anyways, Iseri... Isera... Israel... lol. Observe the similarities 😂 That's also Sarah's name btw. It's not surprising Israel is named Israel, considering they're from Sarah.

Meanwhile, Yoruba also have the word, "Akobi" as firstborn . In addition , Yoruba have got a tradition where the second twin become the Akobi (Firstborn) of the twins. That was exactly the case of J(Akobi). Meanwhile, Yoruba known as Yoruba (which means "Joyful is the headking" ) are also regarded as Omoluabi, Adulawo, Kaaro Ojire..

Israel/Israelites = Yakob/Yehudah (Judah)...
Iseri Ela (Omoluabi/Olu) = Yoruba..

So I understand why some link the Yoruba to the Jews considering the strange similarities.

Whichever, whether Jews or not, Yoruba are simply Yoruba (Omoluabi)!😎

Besides, doesn't "Yehudah" mean "Praise/Joy" btw? "Oyo" or "Eyo" also means Joy in Yoruba.

Meanwhile, some funny idiots were asking Yoruba not to dance and sing? Lol. As long as the earth rotates, Yoruba must dance and sing. Lol 😂

Yoruba is coined from the word "Oyo/Eyo" which means Joy, light up, showcase.. As a matter of fact, the word "Yo" can be easily seen in the name "Yoruba". Yoruba as a whole means "Joyful is the headking". Funnily Yoruba ended up bearing two names on the old map😅, that is, Olu on the East and Yoruba on the West.

The Yoruba on the East side such as Ondo for example are referred as Olu while the Yoruba on the west side are known as Oyo. The central which is 'Ife' is known as "Oluaye" which is the combination of Aye (Oyo) and Oluwa since Ife is the origin!📌 Funnily, the Israelites have also got two names on their east and west. The west of Israelites is Yehudah while the East of the Israelites is Isra-El. I will explain it someday😅

Anyways, like I always say, what Olodumare expects from the Yoruba and humans is integrity (righteousness) and also to use their intelligence and creativity to improve, invent, civilize and make their community better, just like his visible manifestation (Omoloju Olodumare) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌