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The Benin Prince Who Founded Ile-ife (4653 Views)
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samuk: 12:28am On Dec 31, 2023 |
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PoliteActivist: 12:54am On Dec 31, 2023 |
Seems Binis founded all major cities in Yoruba
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AreaFada2: 4:39am On Dec 31, 2023 |
samuk:I have said for years that unless our Yoruba people come up with a more objective and credible story on Oduduwa, objective outsiders will consider Edo version way more credible. Even by many diaspora Yoruba that were not fed on tribalism. They will seek to know what is more scientifically plausible. But I was shouted down. It's beginning to happen. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
funmijoyb(f): 5:29am On Dec 31, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:Na Bini founded China and Japan including Indonesia. ![]() Binis did not found anywhere in South West 2 Likes 1 Share |
funmijoyb(f): 5:31am On Dec 31, 2023 |
AreaFada2:Oduduwa was a Yoruba king from Ile-ife was more credible than that. |
samuk: 9:22am On Dec 31, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Most none Benin or Yoruba people who are not emotionally attached to the history will use their objective minds and sense of reasoning to see the history for what it is. The simple question for a sensible person, will be which is more plausible between Oduduwa falling from the sky as the Yoruba claimed or Oduduwa being a Benin prince according to Benin traditions. 2 Likes 1 Share |
AreaFada2: 11:57am On Dec 31, 2023 |
funmijoyb:You did not read my submission well or if you did, you didn't reflect on it before commenting. Did anyone say he wasn't king in Ife? The attitude I see in many SW people, even in diaspora, is that of "we are more educated and we know it all. Who are these other people to have a contrary opinion? But when discussion goes deep, many quickly realise that others have not been sitting on their hands over the decades. And may be surprised to learn things they didn't even know about SW or own hometown history. Now the the question is: Oduduwa coming from the sky or migrating from Benin, or even Kogi (some Kogi people believe a Benin prince went through their land on the way to Ife), which will a discerning mind find more plausible? Without politics or doublespeak. The other one of coming from Saudi, Egypt, Lamurudu/Babylon, Khartoum abi na Gaza, mankind came out of Africa. When will we finally accept that this corner of the earth is where we have always been, with gradual movements around the area according to exigency? ![]() ![]() In Benin, virtually everyone now acknowledges that Ogisos were given heavenly origins in early days to cement their divine authority, not in literal sense. 2 Likes 1 Share |
AreaFada2: 12:03pm On Dec 31, 2023 |
funmijoyb: I know we are on an anonymous forum where people can type anything, but if you are serious to know, pm me and I will give you places founded in SW by Benin people and still acknowledged by monarchs in the area till today. It's better you find out yourself. You can go, send someone or make simple phone calls to check. Don't say anyone already told you. Just appear as a curious person. At least this is simple enough. 3 Likes 1 Share |
funmijoyb(f): 2:18pm On Dec 31, 2023 |
AreaFada2:First and foremost Benin is not a single tribe is combination of tribes of Esan, Ijaw, Idu and Yoruba people's merger. The Aborigines of Igodomigodo are the Esan people. before, many Yoruba had migrated into it and requested for a king from Ile-Ife to come and rule them. Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince and warrior came and defeated the Esan's Ogiso and chiefs of Igodomigodo. To make it a Yoruba town, he renamed the town he ruled Ile Ibinu in Yoruba language and imposed Obaship a Yoruba title on his new territory in an attempt to make it a Yoruba land just like other territories and towns founded by many Ile-ife princes Till today Bini has a lot of Yoruba words used with Esan and other Igodomigodo languages. Oranmiyan founded the new tribe "Bini" that is composition of Igodomigodo tribes eg Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw and Idu people. These combination of cultures and tradition is what you're calling Bini today. Bini people are not of a single tribe. Yoruba played a vital role on Ile ibinu cultures and traditions. In fact, many Yoruba sees it as a Yoruba land till today. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
funmijoyb(f): 2:25pm On Dec 31, 2023 |
AreaFada2:I can give you 10 towns founded by Yoruba in Edo state but Yoruba are just not claiming they own the state. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Christistruth03: 7:41pm On Dec 31, 2023 |
Another pack of lies and Fake History Obagodo who was also known as Ogiso Igodo was the Founder of Igodomigodo now known as Benin Obagodo and his followers from Ile Ife were sent out by an Obatala dynasty king of Ile Ife Obagodo is Yoruba for Oba Igodo obagodo who founded Igodomigodo Kingdom with his followers from Ife was an Ife man believed to be a Prince of the Obatala dynasty Even Oba Erediauwa of Benin Wrote in his Biography that Obagodo from Ile Ife Established the Benin Kingdom obagodo means Oba of Igodo in Yoruba and he was also known as Ogiso Igodo Obagodo of Ile Ife Founded Benin and the Ogiso dynasty 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Christistruth03: 7:56pm On Dec 31, 2023 |
Go and Check oba of benin praise names He is the Son of Oduduwa of Ile ife If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin One of it is Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife). (Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife) Another of oba of benin's praise names is Ovbi' Adimila The son of Adimila oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula Which was his Title Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished benin Palace praise singers are not at all interested in his case It can only be a lie They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan . izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed oduduwa's Son There is nothing left to drag because it is settled Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo that got lost is none of the oba of benin's highly accomplished praise singers business , nobody send am and they are not interested in finding him either As far as they are Concerned oba of benin is the Son of Oduduwa the Olofin Adimula and Ruler of Ile Ife 4 Likes 2 Shares |
UGBE634: 6:40am On Jan 01, 2024 |
Christistruth03:there is nothing like Obagodo, don’t be a fool, there was no Yoruba presence in Benin kingdom pre Oba dynasty. It is istrictly Ogiso igodo. The way it is pronounced by people propagating the Obagodo already renders it useless. How will you have Ogiso ”Oba”godo alongside, it already renders it useless. That would mean king king godo 4 Likes 1 Share |
UGBE634: 6:55am On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:Benin is a single tribe with influence from other tribe just like Yoruba with influence and migrations from Bariba, Nupe, Edo, Fulani, returnee slaves from other countries and all. You guys like to regurgitate things in ignorance, you read and listen to nonsense online and regurgitate without research. There is no Esan community older than urhonigbe or Udo and these are pure Bini communities. I dare you there is almost no word that is in the Bini lexicon, that is not also in Esan, yet again many of these words are cognates between Edo/Igbo/yoruba, e.g Okhorkor, Ologbo etc an ignorant person will just observe for Edo and Yoruba and not bother to check Igbo if there is a version of it there and assume it was borrowed.If you understand Edo, even if it is two percent, you will know Esan is the corruption and not Edo. If you observe how these clans migrated from Benin, the period in view, you would find out that the closest to Benin linguistically in Esanland according to their oral s migrated the latest.Igueben, Urohi till today is still 85 to 90 percent Bini. Bini or Edo is a full tribe with linguistic presence in about 8,500km square expanse of land. Esan is spoken in a little under 3000 km 2 of land.tell me which is more dominant and visible. Oranmiyan’s presence does not extend beyond Benin city and a section of the western part,(bear in mind that90% of Binis residents in Benin city are from other Bini villages and towns,)In fact Oranmiyan sank in the Edo sea on ground. Esan does not have an Ogiso, at best they experienced it with us, again Ogiso is peculiar to Bini/Edo. If Esan is to replicate in writing, it would be Ojiso, then the Urhobos would be Oviso,these are the three largest Edo groups in the Edoid linguistic space. That would already cement Edo/Bini as one of the three major languages in the Edoid linguistic space with it own unique pattern and structure. This is corroborated by the fact that the Olu of Warri that migrated in the fifteenth century is styled the Bini title of king “Ogie” and not Ovie or Ojie the Urhobo and Esan version respectively. He is titled Ogiame tsuo and not Ojiame or Oviame, that is an Edo/Bini linguistic marker 3 Likes 1 Share |
Christistruth00: 8:18am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634: From your own Oba Erediauwa of Benin Obagodo who took the title Ogiso established the Kingdom of Benin with a Large Retinue From Ile Ife Ife Founded Benin!!!!!!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
UGBE634: 8:30am On Jan 01, 2024 |
Christistruth00:Oba Erediuwa is a Yoruboid Benin or seem to be one, the version of history from the palace has always been Yoruboid, if you tell this to the ogiamens and the core Binis, it is laughable to us, that has always been my stand here, i have been vocal about it, to your serious scholars here, scholes, etc not you that feed from crumbs.even to my own kinsmen areafada a Yoruboid Bini and to all other of my kinsmen here. It has even caused me hatred, it is the palace version here that has always led to this back and forth and what we would term the yorubanization of Edo history Bini did not have anything to do with Ife pre oba dynasty!!!!!!!!!!! Tell it to the Ogiamens and see them look at you as a clown. This is a family that actually thinks the Oba of Benin came from Yorubaland and they rented some parts of their land to him The Ogiamen family is a might family, not a push aside, a visible one to all Nigerians, visibly opposed to the Obas family, in fact at every coronation of a new Oba, some Ogiamen family are arrested because of scuffle between them and the Oba’s family. You can’t do selective research on issues and be whole, you leave the Oba Erediuawa ikaladerhan story and you take the Obagodo, you claimed the first one is a blunder and the second one is not. You quote the ogiamens when they say the Oba is a foreigner, won’t you bother to think about what they have to say about the Ogisos also, or it does not matter, that of the Oba whose story has been seen to be faulty on many grounds would do now because it suit your skewed narrative 4 Likes 2 Shares |
funmijoyb(f): 9:43am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634:The major tribe ancient Bini people came from is the Ishan or Esan. Can you tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? Please answer this question. Esans are the Aborigines of Igodomigodo( present day Benin) bf Ile-Ife people migrated and seized it via Oba. The Itsekiris are more related to Yoruba compared to Edo. Let an Itsekiri speak I will understand as a Yoruba. If an itsekiri speak an Esan, Edo or Ijaw part of your ancestors will not understand. Go to the Akoko Edos, many bears Yoruba names and its part of their traditions. Many part of Edo still speaks Yoruba language till today. You think we are not aware how cruel you people are to them? Now tell me the name of your tribe before Oranmiyan came to Igodomigodo? You people calling yourself Bini today are descendants of Esan plus Yoruba. Period! 1 Like 1 Share |
UGBE634: 9:58am On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:you have apex ignorance, have you even bothered to find out how the Esans got the name Esan in the first place, the Word Esan means they fled, it is a Bini word . Before the coming of Oranmiyan, we were called Ivbi-idu. Idu people. That is the earliest name of the Edo people , we still occasionally call ourselves that today There are no Yoruba group in Edo state, in Akoko Edo, you have Okpamheri, Ososo, Uneme, Akuku,Okpe, none of them are Yoruboid linguistically. At least their first language has been studied and seen to be Edoid. Go and read comparative Edoid by Ben Elugbe. They only speak Yoruba as a second language to cope with their immediate Yoruba neighbors they are surrounded by. They are Edos living close to the Akoko area of the Yorubas and we see them as Edos Edo is not related to Yoruba or rather the relationship Edo has with Yoruba is not innate or rather a blood related affiliation, it is geared more towards association, just like the French and English. So you can’t hear what we are saying 2 Likes 1 Share |
Christistruth00: 10:16am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634: In other Words you are saying Oba Erediauwa lied when he said Obagodo of Ile Ife and his Followers Established the Benin Kingdom and Ogiso dynasty Ogiamen family always say Oba of Benin is from Ile Ife and the Ekhalerderhan Story is nonsense That doesn't negate that Obagodo of Ile Ife and his followers from Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin Obagodo and his followers were the Ancestors of the Aboriginal Benin because 31 Ogiso ruled Benin before Oranmiyan and Eweka 2 Likes 1 Share |
UGBE634: 10:23am On Jan 01, 2024 |
Christistruth00:is it not obvious enough, or you like selective truth, i am telling you to not only quote other families when it suits and throw their narrative in the thrash can when it does not. I have to use the Ogiamen family because it is mighty as well. I am telling you selective truth will not help you and it will not make you whole The same Ogiamen family will not agree with you that Igodo came from Ife, that is my point, you don’t care about that or you hellbent on taking the one that suits you alone 2 Likes 1 Share |
Christistruth00: 10:26am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634: In other words you think Oba Erediauwa was lying when he said Obagodo of Ile Ife and his followers from Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin 2 Likes 1 Share |
UGBE634: 10:27am On Jan 01, 2024 |
Christistruth00:Are you mad? What else do you want from me My points is succinct and clear, if you have a brain, it is so easy to comprehend. The Ogiamen are not less Binis, they are even more, their opinions should matter to you too. They have a different opinion on that issue 4 Likes |
funmijoyb(f): 11:07am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634:Usen in Edo was founded by Oranmiyan senior brother by seeing this I know your historian (Yoruba Haters) will now go to their village to falsify their history for them. Usen founded about eight other towns and are in Benin today. Their first language were Ife dialect. Idu people is not an ethnic group it comprises the Urohbo, Yoruba, Esan, Ijaw even Igbo they migrated from Yoruba land area of Kogi and Osun to their respective lands is multi ethnicity not a tribe. Esan are more Idu people compared to you You need to tell me your tribe before you became Bini 3 Likes 2 Shares |
funmijoyb(f): 11:11am On Jan 01, 2024 |
UGBE634:Why are you so mad about what he said certainly correct go and look them up.he defeated you in your argument. Why you modern tribe of Bini wants everything to go your way. You have a lot of similarities with the Igbos but is the negative ones. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Evboesi: 11:22am On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:defeat who? Bros finished him.You guys like selective truth a lot and that is your bane when seeking knowledge 1 Like |
funmijoyb(f): 12:00pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
Bini became a tribe when Oranmiyan from Ife a foreigner came to unite Igodomigodo tribes with his own tribe. We know all the truth you people are trying to dodge. You think we don't know how much you're be paid to falsified falsehood on internet? Esan people are the Aborigines of Bini. Truth 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Usenokpevbo: 12:07pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:Bini as a tribe was already in existence before the coming of Oranmiyan.As a tribe, Esans are offshoot of Bini 1 Like |
funmijoyb(f): 12:29pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
Usenokpevbo:Bini was never in existence. We have been saying it on nairaland since 5 years ago. Maxwell your fake historian saw it and falsified another history to tell Benin people that Bini has been in existence even before Igodomigodo dynasty. I repeat there was no Bini or Ubini it was Igodomigodos of many tribes at the time. The Iduland tribes eg. Esan, Itsekiris, Ijaw, Igbo, Akoko edos languages, Afenmai and Yoruba These towns will soon tell their factual histories. You people will soon find out you are left out and well isolated from truth soonest. All the propagandas history you're spreading, is only 50% of Bini people that are ignorantly believing it. You're going to put them all shames soon in few years to come. You people are second to Igbo in of acts. 2 Likes 1 Share |
funmijoyb(f): 12:32pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
Usenokpevbo:Binis are offshoots of Esan. Esans are the actual Aborigines. You cannot tell traditional Esan person this he or she will completely disagree this with you. Esans are purely Edo tribe you're mixture of tribes. 1 Like 1 Share |
Usenokpevbo: 12:35pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:you seem very emotional about this subject, i am from this very tribe you talk about, you seem like one who will not concede in the face of overwhelming evidence, should i bother convincing you or i should leave this subject. Are you d to Esan or are you married to one |
funmijoyb(f): 12:37pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
When Oba of Bini came to tell the wrong history that he founded Lagos. We Yoruba tried not to be violent or insult him. No be say we no get craze o. na still respect we give am just because we know his source but pitied him cause he's being ignorant in public. By the time he say it another time. He will loose all his respect and we will relegate him to ordinary Ogiso. He will have to remove his crown before he enters any Yoruba Oba palace.
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Usenokpevbo: 12:40pm On Jan 01, 2024 |
funmijoyb:Esans that are mixed with ika in Ekpon, mixed with Igala in Ilushi, Have droves of Igbo migrations in Uromi is not mixed ? Or is it Yoruba that has loads of Edo mixture in Eastern yorubaland, loads of Fulani mixture in Ilorin, loads and loads of Bariba mixture in Ogbomosho, have mixture of Edo people and of returnee slaves in Lagos that is not mixed?there is even Nupe in Yoruba 2 Likes 1 Share |