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crackhaus: 5:28pm On Jul 15, 2021
ahnie:

My eyes are always on you, crackhaus abeg na joke oo.
Lol... grin
ahnie: 5:31pm On Jul 15, 2021
crackhaus:

Lol... grin
Regards to the gangs.
crackhaus: 5:52pm On Jul 15, 2021
ahnie:

Regards to the gangs.
cool
Thanos(m): 10:36pm On Jul 15, 2021
crackhaus:



at statement alone, cemented my assumption that you didn't think any of this through and that you haven't got your all facts on-hand.

As a matter of fact, the only three groups of people that will read though this thread and agree that it is because Nigerian men have failed women, then this is the reason why women indulge in prostitution, are:

1. The prostitutes themselves who hate that they have previously been/presently are prostitutes, but just can't help it... For them, it's easier to the blame for their poor life choices than accept that they are lacking creativity.

2. Modern feminists who already by default are not the brightest of humans... Because as far as they're concerned, anything that is wrong with the world is because of men. Women are angels/saints.

3. People who assume that when a person writes long articles in very good English, then he/she must be making sense.
I’ve managed to read the entire back and forth on this thread and I would say this. I understand completely the perspective from which the OP based his argument.
Men claim (or are/depending on what side of the argument you are on) stronger, smarter, inherently intelligent than the women hence that means more responsibility is on the men to lead, as all the qualities listed above are what you expect from a leader at a bare minimum.
Every recorded civilization right from the beginning (depending on either the religious or scientific origins) has always being built majorly by men. It is a constant throughout history and I hope no one is arguing that.
Hence, it can be inferred that if all the praise and success attached with building a functioning and sustaining civilization goes to the men, the same men should be held able for places where civilization failed (yes, I know I am oversimplifying but you get the point).
Now I won’t even try an engage any woman in this conversation because if I am a man, who claims to be the head and the superior gender, I am not trying to reason with a woman, I am superior. I let her do as I please. When she thinks she’s arguing with me, it’s basically me letting her talk. When she thinks she advancing at a rapid rate, it is simply me stepping back and letting her bask in the spotlight. Lol. Women ing this post really don’t see the undercurrent of misogyny their third-wave feminism is barely trying to contend with.
Now, back to the example, he made concerning prostitution. Let me see if I can elaborate on it further.
Prostitution is as old as time. It has been here before us and it would be here far after we are all gone. The question is why is it in even successful first world countries, it is still rampant. Ladies and gentle, I present to you the economics of demand and supply. It is really not a matter of morality. It is just a matter of market economics. Demand determines the market and as long as there are men who are willing to pay for the service, there would always be women who are ready to offer it. It is that simple. That is why at the end of the day, the responsibility still falls on men. Now there is this misconception that women are the custodians of sex and all that. That cannot be farther from the truth. Men are the custodians of sex. On average, I’ll take my chances that I can sleep with 80% of world women if I wanted to (with or without consent) because I am the stronger sex. I can do as I please if I want to. The keyword being if. How many women can single-handedly pin down an average man and force him to have sex with her? It does not take a rocket scientist to know that number would be in the sub 40% percentile of the world’s female population.
My point is, when you think about it critically, while you might not entirely agree with all of the OP’s points, his perspective is valid and his logic is sound. Now I am not saying that Nigeria’s problem would be solved by having a woman lead because the issues that plague this country are like the mythical hydra. And this one comes with 100 heads. But if we as men continue to throw around the superior gender card in the face of women, then who should be held able for the majority of the blame in a failed society as if we trace for the root cause, it always starts and ends with men.
So to buttress the OP’s point. Yes, Nigerian men have failed Nigerian women, or to put it better, Nigerian men have failed Nigeria. I bet if the OP used the latter as the post’s topic, he would probably not get as much traction. But some boys can’t help themselves. Once they hear anything that remotely tries to favor women, they get their panties in a bunch. Lol.
I come in peace

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Jman06(m): 10:53pm On Jul 15, 2021
Thanos:

I’ve managed to read the entire back and forth on this thread and I would say this. I understand completely the perspective from which the OP based his argument.
Men claim (or are/depending on what side of the argument you are on) stronger, smarter, inherently intelligent than the women hence that means more responsibility is on the men to lead, as all the qualities listed above are what you expect from a leader at a bare minimum.
Every recorded civilization right from the beginning (depending on either the religious or scientific origins) has always being built majorly by men. It is a constant throughout history and I hope no one is arguing that.
Hence, it can be inferred that if all the praise and success attached with building a functioning and sustaining civilization goes to the men, the same men should be held able for places where civilization failed (yes, I know I am oversimplifying but you get the point).
Now I won’t even try an engage any woman in this conversation because if I am a man, who claims to be the head and the superior gender, I am not trying to reason with a woman, I am superior. I let her do as I please. When she thinks she’s arguing with me, it’s basically me letting her talk. When she thinks she advancing at a rapid rate, it is simply me stepping back and letting her bask in the spotlight. Lol. Women ing this post really don’t see the undercurrent of misogyny their third-wave feminism is barely trying to contend with.
Now, back to the example, he made concerning prostitution. Let me see if I can elaborate on it further.
Prostitution is as old as time. It has been here before us and it would be here far after we are all gone. The question is why is it in even successful first world countries, it is still rampant. Ladies and gentle, I present to you the economics of demand and supply. It is really not a matter of morality. It is just a matter of market economics. Demand determines the market and as long as there are men who are willing to pay for the service, there would always be women who are ready to offer it. It is that simple. That is why at the end of the day, the responsibility still falls on men. Now there is this misconception that women are the custodians of sex and all that. That cannot be farther from the truth. Men are the custodians of sex. On average, I’ll take my chances that I can sleep with 80% of world women if I wanted to (with or without consent) because I am the stronger sex. I can do as I please if I want to. The keyword being if. How many women can single-handedly pin down an average man and force him to have sex with her? It does not take a rocket scientist to know that number would be in the sub 40% percentile of the world’s female population.
My point is, when you think about it critically, while you might not entirely agree with all of the OP’s points, his perspective is valid and his logic is sound. Now I am not saying that Nigeria’s problem would be solved by having a woman lead because the issues that plague this country are like the mythical hydra. And this one comes with 100 heads. But if we as men continue to throw around the superior gender card in the face of women, then who should be held able for the majority of the blame in a failed society as if we trace for the root cause, it always starts and ends with men.
So to buttress the OP’s point. Yes, Nigerian men have failed Nigerian women, or to put it better, Nigerian men have failed Nigeria. I bet if the OP used the latter as the post’s topic, he would probably not get as much traction. But some boys can’t help themselves. Once they hear anything that remotely tries to favor women, they get their panties in a bunch. Lol.
I come in peace
Whoever told you that men are more intelligent than women is either ignorant or lying to you.

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Thanos(m): 11:15pm On Jul 15, 2021
Jman06:
Whoever told you that men are more intelligent than women is either ignorant or lying to you.
Depends on your definition and measure of intelligence. I really do not want to go into the nitty gritty of this topic. But in reference to nation building, you can go and look up the major inventions, discoveries, and organizations that run the world and tell me how many women are behind them. Intelligence is not by doing e=mc2 alone. There are a lot of angles to it and i'd like to think from existing facts on ground, men have proven to be superior in that area. My opinion.
Jman06(m): 11:27pm On Jul 15, 2021
Thanos:

Depends on your definition and measure of intelligence. I really do not want to go into the nitty gritty of this topic. But in reference to nation building, you can go and look up the major inventions, discoveries, and organizations that run the world and tell me how many women are behind them. Intelligence is not by doing e=mc2 alone. There are a lot of angles to it and i'd like to think from existing facts on ground, men have proven to be superior in that area. My opinion.
Some early men in their ignorance simply failed to utilize the intelligence and smartness embedded in the female gender. Yet, records still have some great women who made great inventions; the likes of Marrie Currie who discovered radioactivity. In the political sphere, women like queen Amina and the Ghanaian queen mother Nana Asantewaa who led the battle against the whites( ie the war of the golden stool) also existed.

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Thanos(m): 11:34pm On Jul 15, 2021
Jman06:
Some early men in their ignorance simply failed to utilize the intelligence and smartness embedded in the female gender. Yet, records still have some great women who made great inventions; the likes of Marrie Currie, who discovered radioactivity. In the political sphere, women like queen Amina and the Ghanaian queen who led the battle against the whites( ie the battle of the golden stool) also existed.
There are always going to be exceptions to the rules. The people you are calling are outliers. For every 1 Currie, there are thousands of male scientist that made discoveries that have shaped our society and the way we live. For every queen Amina, there are hundreds of kings that have continuously built on the foundations of their fathers, evolved to what we have today as the various systems of government. So your point still validates what i'm saying. Quantity or quality wise, men have always exceeded women in the intelligence department.
ednut1(m): 11:44pm On Jul 15, 2021
Even in working countries women are still selling their bodies. Na 9ja women dey only fans

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LegalWolf: 12:29pm On Jul 30, 2021
Anyone who goes through this thread will think Gerrard59 is not an ethnic bigot or Christian fanatic. Don’t be deceived. The OP is a mor0n

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Gerrard59(m): 1:48pm On Jul 30, 2021
LegalWolf:
Anyone who goes through this thread will think Gerrard59 is not an ethnic bigot or Christian fanatic. Don’t be deceived. The OP is a mor0n

Cry me a river grin

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akinade28(f): 6:25pm On Jul 30, 2021
Hathor5:
Nigerian men want to be leaders/heads/captains without ability.

They destroy the economy, blame in on the youth who is lazy.

They loot the country's resources, it's the white man and neocolonialism.

They cheat. It's the wife's fault.

Side chick kills them, also the wife's fault.

Children hate them, mother turned them against the father.

They rape, it's the victim's clothes.

Moral decay, it's the slay queen they patronize.

Divorce rate, feminism is to blame.

They can't control themselves but it's the female gender that is illogical and emotional. cheesy
In addition, when they separate from their parents and siblings and refuse to take care of them, it is the wife.
Men have been blaming women for their mistakes since the time of Adam, they prefer to shift blame than take responsibility for their actions. It is unfortunate that this is embedded in our culture and society. "A good child is because of the father, a bad child is because of the mother". In homes, women are blamed for men's bad decisions as leaders in the home. It is just quite unfortunate.
Today, before I came across this thread I was thinking about the constant female bashing and yabbing we see here on nairaland. Sometimes I wonder is it that men derive some kind of pleasure in bashing, blaming and belittling women?

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Gerrard59(m): 7:34pm On Jul 30, 2021
LegalWolf:
Anyone who goes through this thread will think Gerrard59 is not an ethnic bigot or Christian fanatic. Don’t be deceived. The OP is a mor0n


Come to think about it,

Is it not better to be a Christian fanatic and bigot whose words haven't killed one Muslim than to be a so-called moderate Muslim who s Islamic terror groups who are executing the extermination of Northern Nigeria's Christians?

Thus, I'm a proud Christian bigot who pushes against the genocide against Northern Nigeria's Christians. cool

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Gerrard59(m): 7:49pm On Jul 30, 2021
akinade28:

In addition, when they separate from their parents and siblings and refuse to take care of them, it is the wife.
Men have been blaming women for their mistakes since the time of Adam, they prefer to shift blame than take responsibility for their actions. It is unfortunate that this is embedded in our culture and society. "A good child is because of the father, a bad child is because of the mother". In homes, women are blamed for men's bad decisions as leaders in the home. It is just quite unfortunate.
Today, before I came across this thread I was thinking about the constant female bashing and yabbing we see here on nairaland. Sometimes I wonder is it that men derive some kind of pleasure in bashing, blaming and belittling women?

That's as a result of economic frustration, malnutrition, poor upbringing, poverty, lack of quality exposure and education. Does it mean Singaporean men don't bash their women? They do, although seldomly and properly worded. Also, even if say Singaporean men bash their women same way it's done on Nairaland, the difference is that Singaporean men created a functioning society and thus, have every right to say whatever they want (rich people/countries face less consequences for their words/actions). Not descendants of men who instituted the world's poverty capital.

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LegalWolf: 8:29pm On Jul 30, 2021
Gerrard59:


Come to think about it,

Is it not better to be a Christian fanatic and bigot whose words haven't killed one Muslim than to be a so-called moderate Muslim who s Islamic terror groups who are executing the extermination of Northern Nigeria's Christians?

Thus, I'm a proud Christian bigot who pushes against the genocide against Northern Nigeria's Christians. cool

Really? This is preposterous! You that the carnage of Spaniards in Americas, the forceful conversion and wanton destruction occasioned by the Northern Crusade, carnage perpetuated again jews in the spanish inquisition, killing and destruction of Fulani people have the audacity to tell me this crap!!!!

For your information, NEVER ever call me a moderate Muslim. That description is bunkum and does not apply to me. I am a Muslim. Short and Simple. On your imaginary idea that we islamic terror groups who are executing the extermination of Northern Nigeria's christians. Please keep on hallucinating. After all, do you have a life?

In fact, all this won't change the undisputable proof that (1) you are a mor0n (2) I am a Fulani, Muslim and Northerner. While I will keep denouncing terrorists who share the same faith with me, I will not on of faceless and useless people like you jettison my Muslim and/or Northern compatriots and lastly (3) You are a fanatic Christian - a disaster only waiting to happen. Let them give you power and you are not different from the likes of Constantine and his successors who tortured pagans to convert to christianity or Adolf Hitler.

Am I proud of my Islamic identity. The answer Yes * 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 uncountable time. If offered the opportunity to convert to christianity, will I? Noooooooooooooo * 1,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times. Do Muslim Fulani want to exterminate Northern Christians? In fact, that is laughable and not deserving of a response. Should I be moved by mor0ns like you who are not aware of the complexities in Northern conflicts and the neo-genocide against the Fulbe in Taraba? Absolute not.

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Hathor5(f): 9:38pm On Jul 30, 2021
akinade28:

In addition, when they separate from their parents and siblings and refuse to take care of them, it is the wife.
Men have been blaming women for their mistakes since the time of Adam, they prefer to shift blame than take responsibility for their actions. It is unfortunate that this is embedded in our culture and society. "A good child is because of the father, a bad child is because of the mother". In homes, women are blamed for men's bad decisions as leaders in the home. It is just quite unfortunate.
Today, before I came across this thread I was thinking about the constant female bashing and yabbing we see here on nairaland. Sometimes I wonder is it that men derive some kind of pleasure in bashing, blaming and belittling women?


True! So why are they still heads/leaders?

A person who refuses to take responsibility, should never and under no circumstances be the leader.

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MufasaLion: 6:21am On Jul 31, 2021
Hathor5:



True! So why are they still heads/leaders?

A person who refuses to take responsibility, should never and under no circumstances be the leader.

It's a natural instinct for men to lead hence the reason some will never leave power even if they ain't performing well and in many cases they misuse power.

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Gerrard59(m): 3:44am On Dec 05, 2022
More than a year after I penned down this thread, and with what I have seen in Japan, I am further convinced that black men have thoroughly failed their women. This time, it is not just Nigerian men. After all, there is no black-dominated society that can be compared to Japan in all ramifications. Ultimately, I am very disappointed in black men. We've not been able to build a society where our women can thrive and enjoy prosperity. The Japanese men have made their society what they want it to be. The women enjoy it such that young girls walk as late as 11pm, nothing dey happen. Honestly, black men no try. Na to dey open their smelly mouth waaaaa dey chant say rituals can make them rich or the blood from albinos can cure HIV like those riff-raffs in Tanzania opine. Here, the trains work, light works, roads are very exceptionally good to the extent they retouch some parts of them, jobs are plentiful, society is safe (I am yet to see what a gun looks like physically since I departed Nigeria) and clean, and you perceive prosperity in the air.

Respect to Japanese men!

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Gerrard59(m): 7:27am On Dec 05, 2022
https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/6640379/enugu-young-girls-offer-bodies

Sequel to the above thread, it shows the severity of poverty in Nigeria which cuts across all geopolitical zones (Nigeria is not the world’s poverty capital for nothing). However, for Nigerian women to indulge in prostitution as a means to eat/survive, it tells us one thing – Nigerian men have failed their women.


All over the developed world, it is the men not women who made those societies what they are. Whether South Korea, Malaysia, Uruguay, Singapore, Canada etc., the men made them work. Meanwhile, Nigeria – most populous Black Country globally – has her women selling their bodies for basic items such as what to eat and where to sleep. I would not delve into this malaise as a racial one as I do not know how it is for black women in Kenya, Angola, Brazil or the US but the quality of life women enjoy depend on the level of sophistication their men have built their societies into. This is something Nigerian men have failed at and specifically, those above 40 years. These men failed, woefully, to create a society that is functioning, orderly, prosperous, safe and enjoyable for their women. Even for societies that are adjudged as not gender friendly for women (South Korea, UAE and Japan), their women live way more prosperous lives than their Nigerian counterparts.


We have many Nigerian women trading their bodies in Italy, the UAE and parts of Europe but we don’t have similar or even half the proportion of European ladies doing same in Nigeria. How many Italian women have you seen in Allen Avenue or any red-light district in Nigeria? How many South Korean women have you seen selling their bodies in Nigeria? How many Singaporean ladies have you seen/read travel to Nigeria to “hustle”? I am an ardent reader of Singaporean news and not once have I read that Singaporean ladies sell their bodies to pay school fees, to eat or get a job but these things are rampant in Nigeria because unlike Singapore where the likes of Lee Kuan Yew and Co built a prosperous society for them to thrive, Nigerian men of same generation ruined the country. Worse still, their successors exacerbated these issues through wanton corruption and rife ethnic bigotry compared to Lee’s successors who doubled down on his achievements by diversifying Singapore’s economy thereby generating more jobs for their citizens. Same in Japan where women constitute a larger proportion of luxury goods’ consumers because their men have created a prosperous place for them to be able to afford those products. Women of the world's poverty capital can only dream of being major consumers of luxury goods.

Apparently, the report I read from the luxury goods consulting company did not lie. Here, the vast majority of exotic cars are driven by women and high-end shopping malls are filled with women. Nobody has called them ashawo o. But men wey generator fumes don scatter their cerebrum go dey shout ashawo and hook-up like frustrated goats. Build a functioning society for your women thrive? Mbanu! In South Africa, only God knows how they would have molested young girls riding home as late as 11pm.

Black men should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves! Wherever men from other races are showing themselves, make black men hide or better still, close their mouths and listen. Do you the level of sophistication a society has attained that parents are not worried that their young daughters will leave home very early for school, use the public transport system and return home safely to an apartment with electricity, not generator powered? Tomorrow, the man goes to work ditto the woman leaving their apartments, and nothing go happen? When they arrive at the train stations, the trains are punctual, and everyone heads to work? Those wey get motor go drive and not a single horn. God in heaven knows I can count how many times I have heard horns since I arrived.

Tell those at home to do the same and you would see them chanting mumbo-jumbo from their smelly mouth powered by their coconut-filled brains! Na to dey shout rAcIsM dem sabi. Shameless lots! Unam ikots!

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ajsans: 7:28am On Dec 05, 2022
Gerrard59:
More than a year after I penned down this thread, and with what I have seen in Japan, I am further convinced that black men have thoroughly failed their women. This time, it is not just Nigerian men. After all, there is no black-dominated society that can be compared to Japan in all ramifications. Ultimately, I am very disappointed in black men. We've not been able to build a society where our women can thrive and enjoy prosperity. The Japanese men have made their society what they want it to be. The women enjoy it such that young girls walk as late as 11pm, nothing dey happen. Honestly, black men no try. Na to dey open their smelly mouth waaaaa dey chant say rituals can make them rich or the blood from albinos can cure HIV like those riff-raffs in Tanzania opine. Here, the trains work, light works, roads are very exceptionally good to the extent they retouch some parts of them, jobs are plentiful, society is safe (I am yet to see what a gun looks like physically since I departed Nigeria) and clean, and you perceive prosperity in the air.

Respect to Japanese men!

Please can you give an estimate of what it will cost to study in Japan for masters. Also do happen offer permanent residency to foreign student after studies.
ajsans: 7:28am On Dec 05, 2022
Gerrard59:
More than a year after I penned down this thread, and with what I have seen in Japan, I am further convinced that black men have thoroughly failed their women. This time, it is not just Nigerian men. After all, there is no black-dominated society that can be compared to Japan in all ramifications. Ultimately, I am very disappointed in black men. We've not been able to build a society where our women can thrive and enjoy prosperity. The Japanese men have made their society what they want it to be. The women enjoy it such that young girls walk as late as 11pm, nothing dey happen. Honestly, black men no try. Na to dey open their smelly mouth waaaaa dey chant say rituals can make them rich or the blood from albinos can cure HIV like those riff-raffs in Tanzania opine. Here, the trains work, light works, roads are very exceptionally good to the extent they retouch some parts of them, jobs are plentiful, society is safe (I am yet to see what a gun looks like physically since I departed Nigeria) and clean, and you perceive prosperity in the air.

Respect to Japanese men!

Please can you give an estimate of what it will cost to study in Japan for masters. Also do happen offer permanent residency to foreign student after studies
Gerrard59(m): 7:33am On Dec 05, 2022
ajsans:


Please can you give an estimate of what it will cost to study in Japan for masters. Also do happen offer permanent residency to foreign student after studies

Hold your $27K minimum, especially in the Kanto and Kansai regions. That is the amount you would present to immigration authorities as evidence of living expenses. Another way to calculate it is to multiply Y100K by 24 months using Tokyo as the basis. Any other region will be lower. Convert the result to dollars. Yes to your second question, but make sure you are skilled, attend a good school and most importantly, can speak the language (you would have classes and opportunities to learn it, but the entire work is on you).

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efficiencie(m): 7:34am On Dec 05, 2022
https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/6640379/enugu-young-girls-offer-bodies

Sequel to the above thread, it shows the severity of poverty in Nigeria which cuts across all geopolitical zones (Nigeria is not the world’s poverty capital for nothing). However, for Nigerian women to indulge in prostitution as a means to eat/survive, it tells us one thing – Nigerian men have failed their women.


All over the developed world, it is the men not women who made those societies what they are. Whether South Korea, Malaysia, Uruguay, Singapore, Canada etc., the men made them work. Meanwhile, Nigeria – most populous Black Country globally – has her women selling their bodies for basic items such as what to eat and where to sleep. I would not delve into this malaise as a racial one as I do not know how it is for black women in Kenya, Angola, Brazil or the US but the quality of life women enjoy depend on the level of sophistication their men have built their societies into. This is something Nigerian men have failed at and specifically, those above 40 years. These men failed, woefully, to create a society that is functioning, orderly, prosperous, safe and enjoyable for their women. Even for societies that are adjudged as not gender friendly for women (South Korea, UAE and Japan), their women live way more prosperous lives than their Nigerian counterparts.


We have many Nigerian women trading their bodies in Italy, the UAE and parts of Europe but we don’t have similar or even half the proportion of European ladies doing same in Nigeria. How many Italian women have you seen in Allen Avenue or any red-light district in Nigeria? How many South Korean women have you seen selling their bodies in Nigeria? How many Singaporean ladies have you seen/read travel to Nigeria to “hustle”? I am an ardent reader of Singaporean news and not once have I read that Singaporean ladies sell their bodies to pay school fees, to eat or get a job but these things are rampant in Nigeria because unlike Singapore where the likes of Lee Kuan Yew and Co built a prosperous society for them to thrive, Nigerian men of same generation ruined the country. Worse still, their successors exacerbated these issues through wanton corruption and rife ethnic bigotry compared to Lee’s successors who doubled down on his achievements by diversifying Singapore’s economy thereby generating more jobs for their citizens. Same in Japan where women constitute a larger proportion of luxury goods’ consumers because their men have created a prosperous place for them to be able to afford those products. Women of the world's poverty capital can only dream of being major consumers of luxury goods.

These Nigerian men had mothers as coparents or sole parents what did these women do to instill the values of sacrifice, honesty, patriotism and selflessness in their sons. More often than not, in less developed societies mothers spend more time with their children during their formative years than their fathers...Have mothers really played their role as they should? They raised yahoo boys, drug dealers, corrupt politicians etc, enjoy the proceeds of ill gotten wealth and yet you are here pointing fingers at half the population. Your type of reasoning will not change the course of the country for the better. We must accept that all Nigerians either directly or indirectly, by acts of omission or commission, are responsible for the current state of the country.

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ajsans: 7:52am On Dec 05, 2022
Gerrard59:


Hold your $27K minimum, especially in the Kanto and Kansai regions. That is the amount you would present to immigration authorities as evidence of living expenses. Another way to calculate it is to multiply Y100K by 24 months using Tokyo as the basis. Any other region will be lower. Convert the result to dollars. Yes to your second question, but make sure you are skilled, attend a good school and most importantly, can speak the language (you would have classes and opportunities to learn it, but the entire work is on you).

Thank you for the information. Well appreciated.
Gerrard59(m): 8:07am On Dec 05, 2022
efficiencie:


These Nigerian men had mothers as coparents or sole parents what did these women do to instill the values of sacrifice, honesty, patriotism and selflessness in their sons. More often than not, in less developed societies mothers spend more time with their children during their formative years than their fathers...Have mothers really played their role as they should? They raised yahoo boys, drug dealers, corrupt politicians etc, enjoy the proceeds of ill gotten wealth and yet you are here pointing fingers at half the population. Your type of reasoning will not change the course of the country for the better. We must accept that all Nigerians either directly or indirectly, by acts of omission or commission, are responsible for the current state of the country.

Until you mention a society where women were at the forefront of nation-building, I would agree with your post. I am pointing fingers at black men because it is men who develop societies not women. No developed country was built its women, none whatsoever. If men are seen as the provider for families, why should they not be seen as nation-builders? I have asked the same question page upon page, yet no answer.

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Gerrard59(m): 8:10am On Dec 05, 2022
Gerrard59:
More than a year after I penned down this thread, and with what I have seen in Japan, I am further convinced that black men have thoroughly failed their women. This time, it is not just Nigerian men. After all, there is no black-dominated society that can be compared to Japan in all ramifications. Ultimately, I am very disappointed in black men. We've not been able to build a society where our women can thrive and enjoy prosperity. The Japanese men have made their society what they want it to be. The women enjoy it such that young girls walk as late as 11pm, nothing dey happen. Honestly, black men no try. Na to dey open their smelly mouth waaaaa dey chant say rituals can make them rich or the blood from albinos can cure HIV like those riff-raffs in Tanzania opine. Here, the trains work, light works, roads are very exceptionally good to the extent they retouch some parts of them, jobs are plentiful, society is safe (I am yet to see what a gun looks like physically since I departed Nigeria) and clean, and you perceive prosperity in the air.

Respect to Japanese men!

I told my supervisor the bold and could see the pride on his face. He smiled when I even described the phenomenon in Japanese. But the ones at home pride themselves in having long deeek vagabonding across sub-Saharan Africa!

Wahlai! You people are very useless!

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Magnoliaa(f): 10:01am On Dec 05, 2022
Is it the same Japan of chikan and animes depicting child-like pictures of women, and known for some of the most perverse sexual acts and harassment abi another one?

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efficiencie(m): 12:51pm On Dec 05, 2022
Gerrard59:


Until you mention a society where women were at the forefront of nation-building, I would agree with your post. I am pointing fingers at black men because it is men who develop societies not women. No developed country was built its women, none whatsoever. If men are seen as the provider for families, why should they not be seen as nation-builders? I have asked the same question page upon page, yet no answer.

Nation builders? Really? You did not address the points in my post at all. Yes men are seen as providers while women are seen as the caretakers of the children. This is the case in conservative societies. This makes the role of women pivotal in the shaping of societies because they spend most of the time with children in their formative years. So those men you refer to as nation builders were once raised by women and if you deem those men to be failures then their mothers are also failures. You cannot argue with that!
kkins25(m): 10:36am On Dec 26, 2022
Thanos:

On average, I’ll take my chances that I can sleep with 80% of world women if I wanted to (with or without consent) because I am the stronger sex. I can do as I please if I want to. The keyword being if. How many women can single-handedly pin down an average man and force him to have sex with her? It does not take a rocket scientist to know that number would be in the sub 40% percentile of the world’s female population.

A custodian of sex means the gate keeper of sex who gives sex only to the worthy. Women are the custodians of sex, as they have the right to accept or deny you sex. If you're high-value man then most would find you worthy, hence, your access to 80%.That is why the burden of the courtship ritual falls on you. women are the 'beautiful' member of the specie, and attract lots of suitors. It is she who chooses which of that suitor to give the coochie. Of course the dynamics change as you move towards extremes of the continuum. ON a normal day, it is you and i that engage to prove worthy of her hand in marriage. "will you marry me?" plus nigga, you are doing it on your knees. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin our ancestors would be laughing now. grin grin grin

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Tallesty1(m): 7:52am On Jan 25, 2024
I had a good laugh going through this thread; I read every single comment. It is funny because the OP exposed us all. First, he rubbished feminism, he placed women way below men, something almost every Nigeria man wants and feminists are very happy with him. "Just build them a working society and we are good"

Gerrard59 wants men to build a society where everything, at least most things work as it should and women will just integrate into it. No, it may not be that easy; they will have to do some dangerous work like carrying placards near busy roads to demand equal rights. That is how it was done in every other where things work.

But that is not even the funny part. Before now, especially on Nairaland, we were being reminded every day that women are useless, specifically Nigerian women, and are incapable of taking responsibility. Then this guy now said, it is men that build society, so if Nigeria is not working, it is because men failed, and the strongest, most intelligent gender are disagreeing with him. I thought it is women that don't take responsibility?

Look at Nigeria today, who wreck am? Nah my gender. Nigeria men have failed and I wish this could be echoed loudly on every available speaker in mosques and churches.

Telling us about Deziani and others who looted the treasury won't change anything because for every Deziani, there is a Dora Nkem Akunyili but you can count 50 Tinubu and 100 Buhari without seeing a good one.

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Regex: 6:06pm On Jan 25, 2024
Gerrard59:


Typical Nigerian braggadocio. You reside in the world's poverty capital bedevilled with high unemployment and an unsafe environment chanting "wHiTe mEn aRe nOt sMaRt" yet same white men built functioning societies where the seemingly best and brightest Nigerian men flee to. OK, build a prosperous and safe society like Japanese or Chinese men did to counter western thoughts about East Asians, mbanu! That was how some of you argued m0ronically here that the UAE cannot blacklist Nigerians from the country because "Nigerians spend a lot in Dubai" - imagine poor riff-raffs shouting they spend a lot? But today, same UAE has done it and there is nothing the Nigerian government or people or even men can do about it.



In which environment, black or white dominated? And what method was that? Honestly, you people make a lot of unnecessary noise for people who are very very very poor, which is totally ridiculous!


Bullcrap! Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oga be calming down... I swear my self esteem just reduced by 12%...kilode! 😂 😂 😂

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