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advanceDNA:


Are u normal...u want me to shut up but u think it’s okay to talk to me..

Shut up.

nyiamfrank:
Reno Omokri wrote on his Facebook page


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=310019004236878&id=111647580740689.

. With due respect to everbody's choice of religion and way of worship,God told Israelites to pay tithes for the Levites in order to maintain the temple and care for themselves since they had no land inheritance. In the christian era Jesus never made tithes complusory since the law that guided tithes were abolished with his death on the stake Additionally after his death his apostles and older men encouraged willful contribution as you decided to do not forceful payment of tithes (2 Corinthians 9vrs 7). Apostle Paul was a tenth maker and never made himself a burden to the congregations.Today, pastors look on to the congregation for food clothing and basic necessities of life. Churches have become businesses and a mean of livelihood. Churches have been given monetary targets weekly.Is this Christianity or business ventures? I am not against contribution but it must be voluntary not do or die. However millions are in the religious bondage and they have become slaves of humans in the name of Religion .Finally a lot of things are done in the churches today that are not in the Bible. Everything is to make a person richer at the expense of the teeming poor populace in churches.

Lifestone:

The way you see am.
But more people more souls in the Kingdom of God, the way we see it

and you should that man can not win a soul except you want to argue this too...

Humanoid01:

Life doesn't have a one-size-fits-all rule. You can invite 20 people today and 1 person or more will respond accordingly. Tomorrow, you can invite 50 and nobody will respond.

Active evangelism is encouraged but why not focus on building the ones you already have in your care first before “fishing” for others? Jesus Himself had a multitude in the beginning but at the end, the number was narrowed down 12, and one of them wasn't even genuinely saved.

Okay...who said they sacked only becos the church number ddnt go up...how are u sure the numbers he inherited ddnt increase...big churches do comprehensive audits...it’s takes more than ordinary lack of increase in offering to sack a pastor

Innoxxacs:
what happens when people have refused to read and understand their bibles

I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase
-1cor 3:6
God Is responsible for growth and “he makes it beautiful in his time” sacking a pastor because of ‘church growth’ only points to one thing...

I don’t like to drag religion but 99% are fakes

so if Apollo refused to water what was planted..should he be sacked or not? Paul planted just like oyedepo planted the churches, Paul employed Apollo to water it....end result is that God blessed them with increase but the first two must do their job.

Lifestone:
Some lazy anti church elements never bothered to read the letter anyway, they ran to town screaming Church is a Business.
What's in a Pastor that could not bring in souls into the Kingdom of God? What was he hired to do?
Am not surprised where we are today as a nation when we could not hold people able for the assignments that they were given.
The attitude of the Pastor is the more reason he failed, an entitlement mentality and he was rightly sacked.

una just dey twist words up&down,I just want u to know dat if u have a congregation where by ur preaching to them everytime is about repentance,restitution, good behaviour,they will be running one by one,all the gifts,benefits that is suppose to be coming from them u will not get,why because u are not telling them what they want to hear,only who is ready to worship God will stay
Mind u Jesus Christ did not force anybody to repent,he will only give u reasons

Commentor:


Shut up.

Abeg go and sleep...u don’t have anything to say

Orpe7:
We all know it's centered around remittance so let's stop fooling ourselves
Church like politics is a game of numbers
More people more offering and tithes.
So when ure not remitting enough n u can't think outside the box to organise vigils or bring people to ur church that would make drop bar, they sack you
Shikena

No mind them my brother.Nigerians sometimes and backward thinking

una just dey twist words up&down,I just want u to know dat if u have a congregation where by ur preaching to them everytime is about repentance,restitution, good behaviour,they will be running one by one,all the gifts,benefits that is suppose to be coming from them u will not get,why because u are not telling them what they want to hear,only who is ready to worship God will stay
Mind u Jesus Christ did not force anybody to repent,he will only give u reasons

I lost interest and respect for most of the Nigeria pastors, especially David Oyedepo. Check all his antics in the past, he is so arrogant, and he behaves as if he is above the law.

One thing that constantly surprises me is that, once a father becomes the head of the church in Nigeria, God must call his children and wife by default. Go and check where all their children are pastoring, if not a very well established church in a posh zone in Nigeria, it will be in the western world like the US, UK.

Oyedepo should put his son Muyiwa Oyedepo, who he has positioned to take over his church after his demise, in any of these church branches where these pastors were sacked and let us see the magic he will use to pull crowd. So much for God of men parading as men of God.

desiredhome:


With the number of churches booming all over?......, maybe the sacked pastors would've gone out to drag other church to his own church to meet the target..... desperate people......
If it's not for the pocket/money how come the country is still poor/suffering despite all the churches around?.....

I know your answer will be that it's that it's the politicians, Buhari, bra bra.......

I guess u don’t need my answer naa...u don ask question... u don answer am

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advanceDNA:


Abeg go and sleep...u don’t have anything to say

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Sharap.

If he had been coming up with big tithes and offering but didn't grow in population will he be sacked?

Yes, oyedepo don't play with evangelism, even till now he still engage with it vigorously n that's what make heaven rejoys, that's why God kept blessing him. All he does is chase Gods kingdom advancement. So why will his pastor not win soul, there is no explanation for that

Commentor:
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Sharap.

Is that all

This is why most of u will not make heaven.
Calling a spade a spade is now very difficult because it's Ur church right?

Condemn the act and not the person!

advanceDNA:

Is that all

thesicilian:
But should "church growth" only be measured by the number of new comers in the church? If a church has 20 and they're all growing spirituality through the teachings and guidance of the pastor, isn't that worthy of commendation as well?

Kikikikikiki

So, if you have 2 and they are very holy it's church growth?

Is that the growth mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles as they break bread daily from house to house?

Living Faith Church aka Winners Chapel is in a move of soul winning from Oyedepo who is d presiding bishop to active everyone must engage. Our pastor once told us that they were called by leadership of the church to give dem their convert details, he told dem he doesn't have and was warned, according to him he started engaging in soul winning, if not he would have been sacked also.

The said pastor must have been warned to engage in soul winning but refused, the consequence is what he got. Papa nor dey play with soul winning for now.

I guess my explanation would do, but if u are not satisfy break ur head or employ d pastor after all e get result Bsc or HND

Ever8090:
and you should that man can not win a soul except you want to argue this too...

Bro he's a Pastor, "filled with the Holy Sprirt"

Komu1048:
If he had been coming up with big tithes and offering but didn't grow in population will he be sacked?

Yes, Oyedepo don't play with evangelism, even till now he still engage with it vigorously n that's what make heaven rejoys, that's why God kept blessing him. All he does is chase Gods kingdom advancement. So why will his pastor not win soul, there is no explanation for that

Men don't win soul, it is God that does that. Your own is to preach and leave.

When is church growth measured by crowd. Even angels rejoice in heaven over just ONE soul that gives his life to christ on earth.

Lifestone:

You missed my point
Why not hold the Pastor able?

Then answer d questions I asked:

How is he prejudiced? Can u negate d biblical angle he gave? Should d content of d letter supersede biblical principles on d matter? What is d church? Is it a denomination built by a man?

Reno isn't bored in America rather He is stressing himself educating us on what we in Nigeria refused to let others know. I like Him

Illiteracy and lack of comprehension is the biggest problem of this generation. Is this the people we call the future leaders? People that are deficient in reasoning, people that jump at keypading on every issue without giving it a deep thought to understand what is being said. Wow! What a generation. Im deeply sorry

phemmyfour:
Reno is over the bar

Bearing fruits isn't about Church/financial growth , it's not for Pastors. It's for BELIEVERS and centered on soul winning

You have indirectly Reno, soul winning is all about church growth. In the letter, nothing like finance was mentioned but rather Church growth/soul winning.

Ever8090:
I don't understand this growth in population you people are forcing us to accept in a particular meaning..the direct meaning there is, the more the population the higher the money, this is simple logic I beg...

My point is it can’t be all about money...because church number increase or decrease doesn’t automatically always impact the money...
I’ve seen it before...and it’s becos the real heavy contributors in the church are usually less than 10%

A pastor of my church was transferred and later sacked because the population reduced continuously for 6months after he came...and during those period, financial position ddnt drop..because the larger contributors were still around..

Humanoid01:

You win souls to GOD, not to YOUR LOCAL CHURCH. Evangelism is not an exercise to bring people to your local church, it is the act of reaching out to people with the gospel of Christ so that they can be saved. They don't need to attend your local church to grow, there are other churches where they can do that.

LOUDER PLEASE!!!!. Evangelism is not invite people to church, then you go around calling Christians from other churches to come worship with you. I find this strange but that is the practice over there.

MT:


Men don't win soul, it is God that does that. Your own is to preach and leave.

When is church growth measured by crowd. Even angels rejoice in heaven over just ONE soul that gives his life to christ on earth.

Church growth is measured by empty seat. Since the pastor is so ionate about God, why is he collecting salary from the church with empty seats? He shouldnt be collecting salary now. He doesn't even need oyedepo. Now that they sacked him....since empty churches means church growth, he should just continue to pastor those empty seats without oyedepo now. Oyedepo sacked you..God that you are working for didn't sack you,. why not continue. You didn't even think for once that the pastor is crying foul because he lost the salary ....is he doing it for God or for salary?

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Is that all

lexy2014:


Then answer d questions I asked:

How is he prejudiced? Can u negate d biblical angle he gave? Should d content of d letter supersede biblical principles on d matter? What is d church? Is it a denomination built by a man?

My believe is that the entire Churches belong to the same body of Christ. However how is this Pastor to be measured? By what his leadership requested him to do in the Kingdom for which he's also to be held able.

Badonasty:
As far as I’m concerned government should start taxing these churches cos it’s clear to see that they’re money making enterprises

The taxes they have been collecting, what have they done with it?

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