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Popular and controversial radio personality, daddyfreeze has once again challenged all Nigerian pastors(Specifically GOs) to a debate on who lucifer is. Calling them ignorant, he based his assertion on the Latin Vulgate which was erroneously translated into English by King James and his minions.
Jerome, the scholar who translated the original Greek bible into the vulgate used lucifer to describe the morning star which appeared 4times in the Latin vulgate.
Christians erroneously arrogate lucifer to Satan from Isaiah 14:12 which was talking about and taunting an earthly king of Babylon and not the devil. Besides, there is no where in the Bible stating in detail the of Satan falling from heaven except in the book of enoch

Watch excerpts here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqTTKwXcmE

Watch the full video on YouTube on daddyfreeze's channel titled "lucifer the bringer of light '

"Besides, there is no where in the Bible stating that Satan fell from heaven"....

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One should be preoccupied with The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST and one's own salvation from the wrath of GOD that is to come on all the unsaved / "wicked" of the world and other spirits who rebelled! Not on debates that do not profit!

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." - John 12:31

"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" - Revelation 12:9

"For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms," - Isaiah 14:13-16

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." - Revelation 12:12

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

To state that "Christians erroneously arrogate..." is to disarm people! On the other hand GOD warns us in His holy word to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

We should watch / be conscious of both blatant and subtle deceit which leads us to sin, which destroys - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:10-11

Know this! "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Lucifer is not Satan. It is quite sad how this error came to be. Lucifer is an Angel of God.

Boss13:
Lucifer is not Satan. It is quite sad how this error came to be. Lucifer is an Angel of God.

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Read Isaiah 14:1-21 very, very well!

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One should be preoccupied with The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST and one's own salvation from the wrath of GOD that is to come on all the unsaved / "wicked" of the world and other spirits who rebelled! Not on debates that do not profit!

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." - John 12:31

"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" - Revelation 12:9

"For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms," - Isaiah 14:13-16

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." - Revelation 12:12

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

To state that "Christians erroneously arrogate..." is to disarm people! On the other hand GOD warns us in His holy word to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

We should watch / be conscious of both blatant and subtle deceit which leads us to sin, which destroys - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:10-11

Know this! "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Um... simple English

"Besides, there is no where in the Bible stating that Satan fell from heaven"....

False!

Na your own Christ be Lucifer.

My Christ na Jesus!

Boss13:
Lucifer is not Satan. It is quite sad how this error came to be. Lucifer is an Angel of God.

Huh? The name "Lucifer" comes from King James interpretation of the phrase "morning star".
There is no angel "Lucifer" and no angel that is the " morning star".

In the book of Revelation, John writes of Jesus Christ as being the Brighter morning star.

xproducer:
"Besides, there is no where in the Bible stating that Satan fell from heaven"....

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One should be preoccupied with The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST and one's own salvation from the wrath of GOD that is to come on all the unsaved / "wicked" of the world and other spirits who rebelled! Not on debates that do not profit!

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." - John 12:31

"So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" - Revelation 12:9

"For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms," - Isaiah 14:13-16

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." - Revelation 12:12

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

To state that "Christians erroneously arrogate..." is to disarm people! On the other hand GOD warns us in His holy word to "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8

We should watch / be conscious of both blatant and subtle deceit which leads us to sin, which destroys - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:10-11

Know this! "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Most of your quotes are from revelations which is a vision seen by John and it is subject to debates and interpretation because what John saw are things that will take place and not events that have already taken place.
Your quote on Isaiah 14:13-16 is erroneous as the fall referred to the fall of the king of Babylon from the grace of his exalted position as a great king. This scripture had nothing to do with Satan.
However, the book of enoch has an of What transpired in heaven but offcouse did not make it into the Bible.
Now, that was derailing to the subject of this post. Bring scriptures to prove him right or wrong. Shalom

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Read Isaiah 14:1-21 very, very well!

Isaiah 14 is a dirge/song God sings of the King of Babylon .... if you read it with your eyes open, you would see this.

We have a huge misconception of Jesus, or Yeshua, the Christ. I know Christians will quickly rush to the Bible for referencing. However, the Bible is riddled with errors. Errors due to misinterpretation and translation.

Jesus does not want to be worshipped or revered. Jesus is not God or Source. Jesus is not the only way to God. He is not the only begotten Son of God, we all are. Jesus was once like us, lost of our spirit ways and we all can attain Christ like state. Jesus is our brother, our friend and not God. He has lived millions of lives on earth.

This debate or fight about the superiority of religion is ridiculous especially when we clearly forgotten the knowledge of our true self.

Boss13:
We have a huge misconception of Jesus, or Yeshua, the Christ. I know Christians will quickly rush to the Bible for referencing. However, the Bible is riddled with errors. Errors due to misinterpretation and translation.

Jesus does not want to be worshipped or revered. Jesus is not God or Source. Jesus is not the only way to God. He is not the only begotten Son of God, we all are. Jesus was once like us, lost of our spirit ways and we all can attain Christ like state. Jesus is our brother, our friend and not God. He has lived millions of lives on earth.

This debate or fight about the superiority of religion is ridiculous especially when we clearly forgotten the knowledge of our true self.

ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

Not an opinion. Those who know, knows.

Boss13:

Not an opinion. Those who know, knows.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah 14 is a dirge/song God sings of the King of Babylon .... if you read it with your eyes open, you would see this.

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You are not incorrect in the historical sense, and that has happened - but I am speaking of this age in holy Scripture in the spiritual / heavenly / parabolic sense, and has not but will also happen! GOD's word never fails!

Definitions of a Parable:
"a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson."
"a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like."

The Purpose of Parables
"And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." - Matthew 13:9-11

Make una calm down.

Christianity is a religion of enjoyment.

xproducer:

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You are not incorrect in the historical sense, and that has happened - but I am speaking of this age in holy Scripture in the spiritual / heavenly / parabolic sense, and has not but will also happen! GOD's word never fails!

Definitions of a Parable:
"a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson."
"a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like."

The Purpose of Parables
"And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." - Matthew 13:9-11

A parable from the dirge in Isaiah 14 or even the one in Ezekiel 28? How?

Babylon, the great is gone ... there is no such thing as a future to that or even the Kingdom of Tyre referenced in the Ezekiel 28 dirge, sung by God. All these kingdoms had their time and are long gone..