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Exodus 20:3 The Elohim is referred to in Plural. Who are these other gods?
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Psalm 82:1 The word Elohim is referred to in Singular and Plural. Why?
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Exodus 12:12 When you check the interlinear translation, the word Elohim is in plural.
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A Thought-Provoking Exploration for Seekers of Hidden Truths. What if the God of the Bible wasn’t a singular, omnipotent deity—but a council of powerful beings with a hidden agenda? Ancient texts from Mesopotamia to Genesis hint at a startling possibility: the Elohim of the Old Testament and the Annunaki of Sumerian myth might be one and the same. Authors like Mauro Biglino, Zecharia Sitchin, and Matthew LaCroix argue that these "gods" were flesh-and-blood rulers who shaped humanity’s destiny. Let’s dive into the evidence—and the controversy. 1. The Elohim: Plural "Gods" in a Monotheistic Text The Hebrew word Elohim appears over 2,500 times in the Old Testament. Though traditionally translated as "God," it’s grammatically plural (the "-im" suffix denotes plurality in Hebrew). This linguistic quirk raises questions: Why does a monotheistic text repeatedly use a plural term for the divine? Key Bible Verses: - Genesis 1:26: “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.” Who is "us"? If God is singular, why use plural pronouns? - Genesis 3:22: “The man has now become like one of us.” - Genesis 11:7: “Come, let us go down and confuse their language.” (The Tower of Babel) - Exodus 12:12: “I will bring judgment on all the gods [Elohim] of Egypt.” Mauro Biglino, a translator of ancient Hebrew manuscripts, insists that Elohim refers not to a singular deity but to a group of powerful beings. He argues that later editors of the Bible scrubbed its polytheistic roots to fit monotheistic theology. 2. The Annunaki: Sumeria’s Alien Architects In Sumerian mythology (circa 4000 BCE), the Annunaki (“those of royal blood”) were deities who descended from the heavens to Earth. According to tablets like the Enuma Elish and the Atrahasis Epic, they: - Created humans as a slave race to mine gold (Sitchin’s 12th Planet theory). - They were led by the sky god Anu and his sons, Enki and Enlil. - Governed cities, demanded worship, and waged wars. The parallels to the Elohim are uncanny: - Creation of Humanity: Both the Annunaki (clay + divine blood) and Elohim (“dust + breath of life”) genetically engineered humans. - Divine Councils: The Annunaki held assemblies to decide humanity’s fate, mirroring the Elohim’s plural language in Genesis. - Judgment and Flood: The Sumerian flood myth (via Enki) and Noah’s Ark (Genesis 6-9) both describe gods wiping out humanity—then regretting it. 3. The Smoking Gun: Shared Motifs A motif is like a hidden pattern or repeating idea that shows up across stories, myths, or symbols to point us toward deeper truths. Think of it as a clue that keeps appearing—whether in ancient myths, sacred texts, or even nature—to help us recognize universal themes. A. The Sons of God and the Daughters of Men Genesis 6:1-4: “The sons of God [Bene HaElohim] saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful… and bore children to them.” Sitchin linked this to Annunaki interbreeding with humans, creating hybrid rulers (the Nephilim). B. Divine Technology or Magic? The Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25) is described as a deadly “radioactive” device (Biglino), akin to Annunaki “MEs” (divine blueprints for tech). Ezekiel’s “wheel within a wheel” (Ezekiel 1:15-21) mirrors Sumerian depictions of flying “divine chariots.” C. Competing Gods Yahweh is called “El Elyon” (Most High God) in Psalm 82:1, presiding over a council of Elohim. Similarly, Anu ruled the Annunaki pantheon. 4. The Controversy: Scholars vs. Rebels Mainstream academia dismisses these parallels as fringe, arguing that: - Elohim is a “plural of majesty” (like the royal “we”). - Sitchin’s translations of Sumerian texts are speculative. - The Bible’s monotheism evolved from Canaanite polytheism, not Annunaki lore. Yet dissident researchers counter: - Why do Dead Sea Scrolls and older Hebrew texts use Elohim more ambiguously? - Why do Sumerian kings list Annunaki as their literal ancestors? - Why does Yahweh demand exclusive worship if no other “gods” exist (Exodus 20:3)? Conclusion: Rewriting Ancient History If the Elohim and Annunaki are connected, it rewrites everything we know about religion, history, and humanity’s origins. Were they aliens, as Sitchin claimed? Advanced beings, as Biglino argues? Or mere myth? Either way, the Bible’s cryptic plural language, and Sumer’s clay tablets suggest a forgotten truth: the gods were never alone. What if faith is the echo of a memory—a time when “divine” rulers walked the Earth? Source: https://theseekerscroll.substack.com/p/elohim-vs-annunaki-were-the-gods?
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achorladey: Happy new year bro. I was also shocked to see the title of this thread changed. Just like the Governing Body, Max is dishonestly trying to rewrite history! 😂😂 Why did he change the title of the thread? I guess the lies and half truths were to glaring and therefore must be hidden. Or maybe he has been given standing orders from the organization to change the topic since he cannot delete the thread. 🤔🤔 Manipulations and dishonesty in full display! 3 Likes |
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pinkylovely: You're not been insulting - you speak the truth. The brainwashing and indoctrination from the JW organization is operating on the same level as Advertising and Propaganda. Their main target is your subconscious mind. This is why JWs are required to attend many meetings and conventions where the same message is preached over and over again. The Subconscious Mind of man is the seat of habit and emotion. That is why they create videos and content that trigger the emotions of their . It is one grand psychological mind f.uck. When you learn how the mind works, this scheme becomes glaring. 3 Likes |
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Courz: My brother it is very shocking how men we were once forced to see as "anointed", turned out to be in reality, devilish liars who are "anointed" only by the power of darkness. Darkness hates the Light of Truth and Knowledge. Pedophilia is a real scourge in the world today and is promulgated mostly by the and Elite of organized religion. How can a grown man become attracted to a child? In the USA, pedophilia is a BIG Crime. Jeffery Epstein and his list, Puff Diddy and list, JWs and the list of 20,000+ suspects of CSA, etc. I learnt that people who practice dark satanic rituals, often find pleasure in abusing children because the terror and fear the children feel during the act is like a drug that makes them high. Go and learn about Adrenochrome. These pedophiles are SICK! Now imagine how the "anointed" brothers of Jesus are here hiding the details of people who have raped young children. It makes me sick in my stomach - The Governing Body must pay for their negligence and of Child Sexual Abuse. How would you feel as father to find out that some ministerial servant or Elder raped your daughter when they went for return visit? s this what Jehovah s? I hope that something tangible comes out of this and so many victims sue the Governing body directly. Unfortunately, if they get sued, they will go to Prison because they have no excuse for negligence. Let's keep our fingers crossed and see how this will play out. For the fact that the Supreme Court gave thus judgement, I believe we are off to a good start. 1 Like |
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Courz: Good to hear from you bro. God has been super faithful. Life and family is doing great. 2 Likes |
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Courz: I greet you bro. 🙌🙌 Been a while. How is life and family in general? Have you heard of the recent Supreme Court CSA judgement against the JW Governing Body? If they're not careful, they might end up in jail for real this time around. I wrote a thread about it - https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8290769/governing-body-jehovahs-witnesses-held |
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The rank and file Jehovah's Witness has been indoctrinated to believe that their salvation depends on their strict obedience to the directions of the Governing Body. In fact, during the April 2023 morning worship program, the Governing Body were likened to the "voice of Jesus." "The Governing Body could be likened to the voice of Jesus, the head of the congregation. So when we willingly submit to the faithful slave, we're ultimately submitting to Jesus' authority and direction." Kenneth Flodin: ‘Jesus’ Yoke Is Kindly’ jwb-095-10.v 3:28 min Jehovah's Witnesses are led to believe that anything coming from the Governing Body is to be followed, regardless of how followers may feel about the directions. "At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20 But looking at the supreme court case where the Governing Body themselves are been held able for the Sexual Abuse of minor children, here are some questions Jehovah's Witness should answer with all honesty: 1. If the Governing Body is truly guided by God, why are they being sued for negligence in handling child sexual abuse cases? Does God condone negligence, especially when it comes to protecting children? 2. If the Governing Body is found liable in this case, who is ultimately responsible: the Governing Body themselves or Jehovah? If Jehovah is ultimately responsible, does that mean he condones the abuse? 3. If the organization maintains a list of 20,000 known or suspected pedophiles, why isn't this information shared with local congregations to protect children? Doesn't withholding this information put children at further risk? 4. If the Governing Body has resisted turning over this list of 20,000 known or suspected pedophiles in previous cases, even incurring fines, what message does that send about their priorities? Is protecting the organization's reputation more important than protecting children? 5. If secular authorities are demanding access to this list to protect children, is it right for the Governing Body to withhold it based on internal policies? Does God's law supersede the laws of the land in this instance? I rest my case. 1 Like |
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The "Pedophile List" The video also mentions the existence of a list of over 20,000 known and suspected pedophiles allegedly maintained by the organization. In previous cases, the organization has resisted turning over this list, incurring significant fines. However, the New York jurisdiction could mean jail time for non-compliance, adding immense pressure. This case is a major development in the fight for justice for survivors of abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. The Supreme Court's decision to uphold the lower court's ruling allows the case to proceed, potentially leading to a trial. The possibility of jail time for Governing Body for contempt of court adds a new dimension to these legal battles. 1 Like |
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Potential Ramifications This case is significant for several reasons: 1. Direct ability: It directly challenges the Governing Body's ability for the actions of its appointed leaders. 2. Jurisdictional Advantage: Unlike previous cases fought in states where Governing Body do not reside, this New York case could lead to more severe consequences for non-compliance with court orders, including potential jail time for contempt of court. 3. Broader Implications: The case highlights the issue of institutional responsibility in sexual abuse cases involving religious organizations. 1 Like |
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Key Allegations and Court Rulings 1. The plaintiffs allege the Governing Body controlled the organization's operations, including appointing leaders and setting congregational rules. 2. They further claim the Governing Body knew of Harding's propensity for abuse, failed to prevent it, and allowed him to maintain his leadership position. 3. The Governing Body attempted to dismiss the case, arguing they are not a legal entity and the claims were not properly pleaded. 4. The Court rejected their motion, stating that the Governing Body operates as an unincorporated association and can be sued. 5. The court also affirmed that the plaintiffs had sufficiently pleaded claims that the Governing Body had both actual and constructive knowledge of the abuse. 6. The Governing Body appealed to the Supreme Court of the State of New York, Appellate Division. 7. On November 6, 2024, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court's decision, affirming the Governing Body's status as a suable entity and confirming that the claims of negligent supervision, hiring, retention, and training were sufficiently pleaded. 1 Like |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1rgRpzUsGY Hello everyone, A groundbreaking development has emerged in the ongoing battle for justice for survivors of child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. For the first time, the Governing Body itself is being held directly able in a New York State lawsuit. This marks a significant shift, potentially exposing the organization to unprecedented legal consequences. Watch the video above for a detailed explanation. Why This Case is Different Previous lawsuits against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society have faced jurisdictional challenges. However, this case, RKJW1 Doe versus Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, filed in Kings County, NY, directly targets the Governing Body where their principal headquarters was located at the time of the alleged abuse. The lawsuit stems from allegations of repeated sexual abuse of minors (aged 11-14) by a ministerial servant, Ronald Mark Harding, within the King's Highway Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn between 1991 and 1994. For more details of the decision of the Supreme Court see - https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-second-department/2024/2024-01950.html 1 Like |
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Elohimisgood: I don't make the rules and therefore can't enforce them by telling people what they "must" do. The fact remains that the word "Jesus" is an aberration. In the Greek translation of the Gospels, what we have is Iesus, there was no letter "J" back then. It was not until 1542 the letter "J" was invented and made it to the English translation of the Bible. Do you think that it is a must to use only the ancient hebrew names of some certain nouns in the bible ? In my humble opinion and that of many well known biblical scholars, it is important to study the Bible in its original translation to better understand the context. For example, we have seen that in our English translation of the Old Testament, we have been replacing "The Elohim" with God - when in reality, the word Elohim is plural and doesn't refer to a singular entity. Another example is the word - "Spirit" of God or "Ruach" of The Elohim. When you study the true meaning of the word "Ruach" it doesn't really mean spirit but refers to a "craft" or "flying machine" of some kind. If you're interested in going deeper into this, I humbly suggest that you check the books written by Mauro Biglino, a well known Vatican approved bible translator. Last year he published a book titled - Gods of the Bible - a new interpretation of the Bible reveals the oldest secret in history. - I can share it with you if you're interested. He has pusblished many other books and some of his video interviews can be found on the Paul Willis The 5th Kind YouTube channel. |
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FRANCISTOWN: I agree that looking at the Abrahmic religions at face value will definitely make you dance to the tune of Atheism, but there is a very serious phenomenon we must look at critically and not jump to conclusions. When you study the fundamentals of Quantum Mechanics, you will realize that one of its shocking implication is the existence of a quantum field which permeates all space and represents the underlying fabric of reality which gives to particles and forces. We were taught in physics that an Atom is the most basic form of life, but when you go deeper, you find out that an Atom is made of Neutrons, Electrons and Protons, if you still go deeper below the subatomic particles, all is you left with is pure energy at different rates of vibration. This means, nothing really exists in form or as matter, it is just pure energy vibrating at different frequencies. The question to now ask is this - what is this Universal Energy or Force which permeates all things? How did it come to be? 1 Like |
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ExAngel007: You do know that Musk is just been sarcastic right? 😂😂😂 But if you look at it on the flip side, truth is stranger than fiction - so he might be actually telling the truth, but because it sounds impossible, we just take it as a joke and laugh about it. Nothing is impossible in this world we live in - anything is possible. Was it not just some days ago, the American Government told us that Aliens exist and there are some of them living in the Ocean? The same ocean our people have said the mammy water civilation have always lived in? The same ocean that the fish god Oannes came out from to give mankind wisdom? Why do you think the Pope and Bishops wear the Mitre hat that looks like a fish? That is the attire Oannes wore when he first came out of ocean to give man wisdom. Truth is stranger than fiction. 2 Likes |
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Elohimisgood: Well, the Bible calls some these ELOHIM by name. Check out Judges 11:24 - "Will you not take what your Elohim, Chamosh, gives you? Likewise, whatever Yahweh our Elohim has given us, we will possess." Two of the Elohim are mentioned in the above verse - Yahweh and Chamosh Check out 1 Kings 11:33 - "They have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth, Elohim of the Sidonians, Chamosh, Elohim of the Moabites, and Milkom, Elohim of the Ammonites." Three of the Elohim are mentioned in the above verse - Ashtoreth, Chamosh, and Milkom. These are just a few examples. If you look at the ancient Sumerian records from Mesopotamia, they called their own Elohim the "Annunaki". The Greeks called their own Elohim the "Theoi" or the "Olympians". I hope you use the Hebrew Interlinear scriptures to study the Old Testament, that is only way to see these things for yourself.
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Elohimisgood: I appreciate your honesty. My next question - since ELOHIM means gods in plural, what are the identities of these ELOHIM or gods? |
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Elohimisgood: Quick question - Is the word "ELOHIM" singular or plural? 🤔 |
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achorladey: Of course I completely understand the parole. When I got married, majority of JWs were shocked that my mum and dad boldly stood by me throughout, even though I say I no do again and I no wan marry JW. And this is only because my parents have UNCONDITIONAL LOVE for me - my parents clearly said to the Elders - "no religion will EVER make us shun our own children." Everyday, I thank God for my parents. But for many others who decide to leave this cult, it is often a very different story - parents are quick to shun their children and would rather love the GB & organization more than their own children. This is because as a JW, you practice a form of CONDITIONAL LOVE - the day you decide to leave the cult, is the day you become dead in their eyes. Thank you for the this truth bomb @Achorladey 3 Likes |
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MaxInDHouse: I don't need all these long stories! If you're not an APOSTATE, why can't you share the results of your "personal research" with your fellow JW ? If you're not an APOSTATE, why are you teaching what has not been "approved" by the Governing Body? 3 Likes |
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MaxInDHouse: So basically, you're an APOSTATE. Because if you have done your personal research and reached a conclusion that is completely different from what your GODS have "approved", then you're an APOSTATE. For the fact that you can't even discuss your personal research among your fellow JWs is more evidence that you're an APOSTATE. Wonders shall never end. 😁😁 3 Likes |
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MaxInDHouse: HE WILL NOT STOP MENTIONING YOU! No be your papa get Nairaland. How dare you mention others with reckless abandon and still demand that others not mention you? Who do you think you are? 1 Like |
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MaxInDHouse: Look at this LYING old man. Who are you calling a PIMO? Where is your evidence that I am still attending JW meetings? Moreso, you're here complaining about FxMasterz mentioning you, but for the past 2 weeks you have been mentioning me on countless threads. Why are you such a hypocrite? You don't want others to mention you but you feel like you have the right to mention others right? Pathetic. 3 Likes |
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Vinnie2000: There are many reasons why this is happening - not just in Nigeria but all over the world. Because of social distancing and lock downs of COVID 19, Jehovah's Witnesses were ordered by their GODS to stop going out to preach in 2019/2020 They even stopped going to their kingdom hall for 2 years - they did all of this virtually through Zoom. To put it simply, this made the JWs lazy - imagine finally getting to spend your weekends at home resting after many years of going out to "preach" every weekend. Moreso, in October 2023, one of their GODS (guardians of doctrines) - Samuel Herd, gave another order - Jehovah's Witnesses are no longer needed to record their monthly preaching hours. For 103 years, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been required to fill out a monthly report that included the number of hours they spent in the “preaching” or “witnessing” activity. of the religion were also required to report the number of “placements” of Watchtower literature, including magazines, books, booklets, and other printed material. In recent years, the Organization’s headquarters also required the notation of the number of “views” of videos shown to the public during conversations with non-Witnesses. Before the recording of hours was abolished, as a Jehovah's Witness, if you don't record at least 10 hours every month, you would be considered as "spiritually weak" and because of this, you won't get access to "responsibilities" especially if you're male. Now that recording hours is more required, it has made JWs even more lazy. What's the use of going out to preach if you don't have record your hours and show that you're "spiritually strong" ? This is exactly why they are now dull in their evangelism. I hope this helps to put things in perspective. 6 Likes 1 Share |
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If you can post the actual news instead of that screenshots alone, that'd go a long way. It's hard to read the tiny prints. Just my opinion tho. 2 Likes |
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achorladey: Exactly the point. It is that Hypocrisy that makes them "apostates in disguise". That is why their greatest nightmare is their online identity exposed. 2 Likes |
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MaxInDHouse: SHAMELESS LIAR. I knew you couldn't bring up any evidence. Shame on you. When you speak a LIE, be bold enough to prove it and stop being a coward. 4 Likes |
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