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armadeo: Goes to show how ignorant u are...Its all a fall out of the conspiracy against optometrists by the ophthalmologists...You dont know anything about optometry and u want to argue...I have a handbook for the ophthalmology residency,and i laugh so much when i see their scheme of work...Not to mention that they wont even venture into the field of physiological optics...Remove micro surgery and a good 500 level student of optometry will effectively lecture their part 2 residents...so wat are u talking about...The other day i was talking with a final yr medical student and we got arguing....i told him i would ask him 20 questions on eye conditions,both visual and ocular and he wouldnt be able to answer 1.I did and he couldnt even attemt one....And i didnt even go to the realms of ophthalmic optics....i just threw simple questions from ocular pathology,neuropathology,and ocular clinical proceedures... My friend go and psyche optometric eye doctors b4 talking...What makes ophthalmology a difficult specialty is optics...Guess who is the boss when it comes to optics...u r right.The optometrist is. |
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armadeo: Why are u guys so callow?Who is an eye doctor?If a general practitioner who knows nothing about the visual system answers a doctor,how much more an optometrist?The difference btw an ophthalmologist and an optometrist here in nigeria is only surgical proceedures...And pls tell me how many ophthalmic surgeries the ophthalmologists perform minus CE and Laser TB for glaucoma? I have heard so many people tell d lie that ophthalmology residency is 6yrs,while its 4 yrs.They spend their part one learning what a 200 level optometry student already knows with the exception of microsurgery. All those diseases u ophthalmologists clutch to their chests are treated in private clinics by the optometrists,y hv their not been actions against fall outs from their incompetency?Why have their not been reports of damage to eyes against ODs? Pls stop misleading d public...An optometrists offers d full spectrum of eye care services...And when it comes to complex refractive proceedures,ophthalmologists are wack...do we then say they are not doctors because of that? |
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chidarlus: Just know this:A Doctor of optometry cannot go back to write jamb to enter medicine...Either he failed out of optometry school or stopped half way...Its impossible that an OD will go back to write jamb....Bsc Biochemistry,maybe...OD,no way.So d guy is just taking you for a ride... |
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chidarlus: Just know this:A graduate of optometry cannot go back to write jamb to enter medicine...Either he failed out of optometry school or stopped half way...Its impossible that an OD will go back to write jamb....Biochem,maybe...OD,no way.So d guy is just taking you for a ride... |
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efedua: Could still be 5yrs.Med lab science is 5yrs.Nursing is 5 yrs.Optometry is 6yrs plus internship making it 7yrs,if u r able to finish in 6yrs.Many finish in 8yrs.Add internship and it becomes 9yrs. |
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efedua: SLT in uniben used to be only part time.Being part time its 6yrs.But since it has become full time,i dont know how many yrs it is now. |
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Zeus777: 1.A primary health care practitioner means they are the first point of entry in the eye care practice.They should refer cases to the ophthalmologists or other specialists as the case maybe ,other than the other way round in which the opthalmologist use the services of the optometrist as a form of differential diagnosis. 2.Like u said,the opthalmologist MANAGE complicated eye conditions.optometrists are trained to DETECT and DIAGNOSE these complicated eye conditions.How about opthalmologists let optometrists do this without feeling threatened. What i find funny is ophthalmologist extending "complicated" to mean any condition outside refractive errors.who is fooling who. In private clinics optometrists successfully manage all those conditions opthalmologists are quick to label as 'complicated'. Its all about the money....make no mistake about that. 1 Like |
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nagoma: I think u should be smart enough to know that Optometry has actually proved that u dont have to go to medical school to be a dr.Or to be a surgeon for that matter.American optometrists perform surgical proceedures.Nigerian optometrists are soon following suit.They already have the didactic knowledge,the clinical part will soon follow. So medicine men and women,prepare to really moan and cry. |
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nagoma: Thank you sir.Perhaps we should copy from yugoslavia. Medicine men are just players in the health field,just like the ambulance driver or gatekeeper,no more,no less.What irks me most is the hypocrisy of the medicine men and women.That is y a medicine man slapped a nurse in the hospital.The medicine people spend all their time denigrating and degrading other health care professionals and their titles.and they suceed because they have the greater with patient and are also the more visible personnel.They distilled that visibility into their title'dr'.this means that medicine suffers collateral damage whenever other health care professionals use d title.guess wat,u guys will suffer more of this damage in the future. Medicine stole the title 'dr' from the academia because their governing body could do so legally.and now they want everyone to think its theirs.like they hv been deceiving unknowing nigerians.Guess wat optometry was smart enough to add 'dr' to their own title...ur degree combination is mbbs,theirs is obbvs,and u guys can only bicker,whimper and simper all you like, which is ur job,they are legal 'drs'.change it if you can. Medicine know they stole it in uk,at least there they are honest,thats y they drop the title like its hot once they finish their residency.They know they stole it. Pharmacy should get their acts together and quit giving personnels like the cupboard 'drs' here the chance to further their agenda. |
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Pennywise: This goes to show how ignorant you guys really are....look at that course outline again,are those courses for pharmacists?have you even bothered to look at a pharmacist's curriculum...on the contrary its an outline for optometrists who do those courses in greater depth than any medical curriculum can handle.only ophthalmology training can come close to anything near the depth of what optometrists do in their undergraduate studies.. what do you mean by nurses having the humility to answer nurses...u guys denigrated the title of other health care practitioners by ur attitude towards them which was geared towards making them look incompetent....guess what,the more nigerians become educated,the more they will see through ur charade...medicine men and women should be the ones to learn humility and quit meddling....even in this forum,in this discussion u r trying to act smart by appearing to a side on the divide....and who gave u d authority to say who is a real pharmacist and who is not....u use ur warped view of doggish loyalty to the medical cabal to distinguish between the proffesional and insecure pharmacist....in all i dont blame u,i blame pcn.i do,indeed. |
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deols: The year is 2058. I see a man in a security personnel garb with a tag, Consultant gateman. He works in a teaching hospital and the Union of teaching hospital gatemen just won a lawsuit. They are afteral doctors, like the nurses and pharmacists. Cleaners are now directors and orderlies run the board meetings. And i ask you,y did the medical 'drs' (or medicine men as i prefer to call them since there is no doctor in their degree,at least here in nigeria)start arrogating to themselves a name meant solely for phd holders.They robbed the degree from academics....try whatever they can,the cult called nma cannot stop change....either you go with it or it breaks you...nigeria medical shrine is overdue for a breakdown.... |
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joker5180: you are right. I have seen a number of optometrics parading themselves as "doctors" and been paid salaries using medical doctors circular- CONMESS. Some of them call themselves 'eye doctors'. It is only in tertiary health institutions that they are place where they belong- refraction room. And that refraction is the milk of ophthalmic practice.Ophthalmologists want to kill themselves over it...when u refer patients to them they slyly keep the patient in the waiting room under a good view of their spectacle show rooom hoping he or she makes a selection...tell me how many surgical proceedures ophthalmologists perform in nigeria,with the exception of CE and maybe trabeculoplasty....can they perform scleral buckling or retinal photocoagulation....shrrap my man....In case u dont know refraction is what ophthalmologists survive on....and they suck at it. And digest this...optometrists diagnose every ocular disease,using a vast array of techniques and proceedures,treat with pharmacological agents and any opthalmic aid,refer to other health care practitioners WHEN NECESSARY e.g neuro-surgeons,neurologists,ophthalmologists,gp etc,with adequate referral letters,counsel,monitor,evaluate, and manage the conditions where necessary....perform the integration of clinical data and risk factor analysis associated with these proceedures... In eye clinics run by optometrists,ophthalmologists are just invited to perform any surgical proceedure required,mostly CE after which they leave.post management is done by the optometrists....and lets not even go to the residency curriculum of ophthalmologists...optometrists in usa perform ophthalmic surgery,these proceedures are taught didactically in nigerian optometry schools,the clinical aspect will soon follow...medicine can do all they can,but they cannever stop change...it surely is coming.... |
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ige101: No point there my dear.Do u also know that anytime a driver drives on d way he put his life on the line? Thank you very much sir!!!And nigerians know their right.tell me how many medical doctors have been sued either as tort or criminally.soon u will tell me that your insurance coverage is climbing through the roofs because of the risk associated with medical proceedures.if the laws were working in nigeria dont u think more than half of nigerian medical 'drs' would be in jail today? |
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Pennywise: No point.Architects dont do pathology,pharmacology,anatomy,physiology,epidemiology,community health,clinical psychology,neuropathology,human genetics,clinical sessions,biochemistry,microbiology,ocular pathology,oc6lar pharmacology ,physiological optics series,amongst numerous others....and with 50% as mark for every course....try again fella. |
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joker5180: I see nothing wrong in health professionals striving to improve their skills but I always doubt the sincerity of doing so if there a hidding secrete to it. You guys are so ignorant that i shudder....pls tell me why the doctor of optometry degree is a disaster...do u at all know hw medicine men came to be called doctors?it was through crass envy of the title when it was only possessed by phd holders...so please tell me more about the disaster |
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emmatok: like i said,he is a gift.i dont like u because u r related to him,so save ur breath abt hypocrisy.he is d only good thing to write home abt yorubas.i appreciate the guy on a level which you will always be too daft to comprehend. |
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papparatzzi2013: ad hominem-the last resort of the intellectually puerile. |
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papparatzzi2013: ive long been disillusioned.so you are correct.The only Yoruba man i respect is wole soyinka.And of course he is not just a yoruba man.he is a generational gift to mankind. u come here to argue that you guys fought a war.which war?chicanery worked for u so kudos.but that is where it stops.it will never work again,because we all know that our enemies are not the hausas.its the yorubas. i salute all the puritanical and nationalistic igbos,that seek for the head of oduah.you will only end up like zik who was so immersed with nationalism and do goodism that his people became orphans.while he was being pan african,awo was plotting his strategy. Those that do not know their history r not only condemned to repeat it,but to remain a slave to it. |
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[quote author=St.Ola] So after Igbos led what was meant to be a national revolution, but chickened-out of the task of killing their own leader, it was the West that caused it? When foolish Igbos resident in cities and barracks in the North were displaying pictures of Nzeogwu in their homes and shops, pictures of the slain Northern Premier, and calling the attention of northerners to it, it was the West that caused it? When they played machine gun songs all over the North, taunting the locals on how THEY killed their leaders and how the Premier was crying like a ram, prompting Ironsi to ban such songs, it was the West that caused it? When The Igbos fled the North after the May pogrom, and Ojukwu sent them back to receive a 2nd dose of their treatment for chestbeating by the September pogrom, it was the West that caused it? When Ironsi decreed a Unitary government, thus confirming the Northern fears of an Igbo domination, it was the West that caused it? When Ojukwu seceded and trumpeted the strength of the biafran army, it was the West that caused it? As I've already said, the North saw through your schemes. They nipped it in the bud, and taught you a lesson you have relayed to your children. So now you are looking for a new weeping tribe in Nigeria to take over from you. So you gradually scheme as usual, trying to paint any tribe that will let you as the problem with Nigeria. Need I tell you that your methods are so archaic and self Everything boils down to one thing.we hv learnt our lessons.our enemies are not those that wield the gun,but those who seat behind the scenes and orchestrate mayhem. even if some people caricatured the situation,did the western papers hv to print it?did they hv to trumpet it as if it was the igbo national policy.the yorubas knew wat the wanted,and they went all out to get it. Today their techniques hv not changed.whenever their is a shot in the north they rush to posture it as an igbo vs hausa fracas.but yorubas get involved,they dont print it.ive said it.if the igbos fail to understand the chicanery of the yorubas and their insidiuos plots,they hv themselves to blame. |
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[quote author=St.Ola] So after Igbos led what was meant to be a national revolution, but chickened-out of the task of killing their own leader, it was the West that caused it? When foolish Igbos resident in cities and barracks in the North were displaying pictures of Nzeogwu in their homes and shops, pictures of the slain Northern Premier, and calling the attention of northerners to it, it was the West that caused it? When they played machine gun songs all over the North, taunting the locals on how THEY killed their leaders and how the Premier was crying like a ram, prompting Ironsi to ban such songs, it was the West that caused it? When The Igbos fled the North after the May pogrom, and Ojukwu sent them back to receive a 2nd dose of their treatment for chestbeating by the September pogrom, it was the West that caused it? When Ironsi decreed a Unitary government, thus confirming the Northern fears of an Igbo domination, it was the West that caused it? When Ojukwu seceded and trumpeted the strength of the biafran army, it was the West that caused it? As I've already said, the North saw through your schemes. They nipped it in the bud, and taught you a lesson you have relayed to your children. So now you are looking for a new weeping tribe in Nigeria to take over from you. So you gradually scheme as usual, trying to paint any tribe that will let you as the problem with Nigeria. Need I tell you that your methods are so archaic and self Everything boils down to one thing.we hv learnt our lessons.our enemies are not those that wield the gun,but those who seat behind the scenes and orchestrate mayhem. even if some people caricatured the situation,did the western papers hv to print it?did they hv to trumpet it as if it was the igbo national policy.the yorubas knew wat the wanted,and they went all out to get it. Today their techniques hv not changed.whenever their is a shot in the north they rush to posture it as an igbo vs hausa fracas.but yorubas get involved,they dont print it.ive said it.if the igbos fail to understand the chicanery of the yorubas and their insidiuos plots,they hv themselves to blame. |
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papparatzzi2013: Y are you talking like you dont know anything.which wars did d yorubas fight?which of the yoruba elders did not receive bribe from abacha to keep quiet?some finished eating and went back to fight again...wat war are you talking about?if there is anything we need to learn from the yorubas its the need to destroy ego to survive.obasanjo consorted with abacha but wen he asked him to him to south africa during the inauguration of nelson mandela,he shied off only to go secretly. wat war are u talking abt? cowards.hv u ever fought any war,those of u that went to visit abiola in prison only went to get info for abacha. zik and the south west.who went on rampage against awolowo?who was his enemy that incited violence in the sw was it not akintola? thats y d igbos dont know their enemies.obasanjo said it in his autobiography,entitled,my command.ironsi was actually emoty headed.those that advised him are those that castigate him today.like those that would hv advised gowon but stood aside to watch him make a fool of himself.they had an agenda. when the yorubas were outcompeted in ncnc they left to form ag along tribal lines.whenever the yorubas are outcompeted they cry domination! 1 Like |
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St.Ola: I cant start arguing the point of whether this issue of oduah is worth sacking a minister for in nigeria or not is right or wrong because even the point in itself is moot.that is not the case at all.we all know wat the case is An igbo hating a yoruba has actually missed his or her road.we dont build our achievements on hate.we build it on competition.the igbo simply has to know that the music has changed,so the dancing must change. Hate has worked for the yoruba tribe.y are you complaining now?is it because it has started backfiring?You guyz are the champions of ethnic sentiments.that's the credo of your political ideology.and difference engenders hate,stendhal said it many years ago.when they could not outcompete in a single party they resorted to party tribalism. All these your posturings are typically yoruba in nature.like obasanjo inciting abacha to seize power in the interest of national unity...i laugh. we know the issue.i assure you we are no longer naive.we will destroy the individulaism of our people,because in today' s nigeria its like an appendix.it used to be our strong point.now its our weak point... But for the yorubas,believe me karma exists.what goes around must come around. |
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papparatzzi2013: Go and check up the info.its there on net.u are talking of porthacourt airport.hw many international flights do they handle,despite the cosmopolitan nature of the city?only 3!viz;malabo,frankfurt and paris.lagos handles over 24.so wat are u saying.wen porthacourt broke down they could only send the domestic flight to enugu and owerri.they sent the rest to lagos.so in whose interest is the underdevelopment of southeastern aviation system. The issue is that the yorubas have discovered the weakspot of nigeria:that zone of comfort erected by them where they play up the north vs east antipathy.they create the mood with their pen and stand aside to watch it hatch like an expectant mother,because ultimately the child will be theirs.think of the pre war tension in 1966.who fanned up the embers with constant depiction of the slain politicians,inciting carnage,ultimately setting up the confrontation as a north vs east confrontation?playing an arbiter when they clearly had an agenda?it was the south west. like i said if the igbos fail to recognize their enemies and know that the enemy is very intelligent,and stop this knee-jerk reaction to issues,they deserve watever comes to them. The yoruba is a very advanced tribe.intellectually inclined.they r actually the only tribe in nigeria that have a clearcut political ideology.others are just fighting on their(the yorubas's) fields. They have developed their strategems over years.and untill the igbos grow to the understanding that they are fighting an advanced army,so long will their struggles be puerile. Like you rightly stated(like the yoruba that you are),no one can be held against their wish. |
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St.Ola: The igbos had one problem:they never knew who their real enemy was.its just that now they do.perhaps this issue will show more clearly the insidious nature of yoruba attacks on igbos. The hausas being straightforward declared that they dont want the enugu international airport.they sent a warning to the ethiopian airline warning that their plane must also ply kano if it would at all ply enugu.not minding the fact that amino kano international airport,kano has up to 6 international flights which do not ply enugu. now hausas we undestand.they have an agenda and they played their hand openly so we responded in kind. But the yorubas had to go back and play their hate insidiously.they hv to remove the minister for aviation.and i ire them for this,so much.after all politics is not a game for the dimwitted.the yorubas are so good that even some half-assed igbos are falling into the trap their fathers fell into-not knowing who ur real enemies are. The pen is mightier than the sword.understand this and you would understand the yorubas. The greatest enemy is that which knows how to marshall thoughts of others against u.those that kill by the sword make enemies and conquests of their contemporaries.but those that kill with the pen make will make slaves of both generations to come.They that control the press of any nation controls the mood of her citizens,and defines reality for those who would not think for themselves,like the north and boko haram. 1 Like |
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papparatzzi2013: And they want presidency? unfortunately the enemy is not only real,but palpably determined. |
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eggheaders: Igboid defending criminals since time immemorial. When the common thief Jim nwobodo stole common generator from national stadium. The senate presidency saga ko talk of thief like nzeribe they still award him with a red cap and a feather to crown it. Smh for this kind of humanoids. look at this slowpoke.after all the theft by a former southwest pdp chieftain who was even convicted,yoruba elders rolled out drums including obasanjo to give him a hero'welcome.mumu.or wat are u trying to say?abiolas family begging for handouts from the murderers of their patriach.mumu. |
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rafindo: it is only in nigeria dat airport are built out of sentiment nd politics/onitsha metropolis has no land for such project.an airstrip with a funtional monorail systrm is better.no olympic size stadium yet,decent skyline nd good infrastructure.airport business is not groundnut or spare part trade. you started of accusing people of tribal sentiment in trying to develop their place,and ended up the butt of ur own joke.people that are into spare part and groundnut trade hv no business with airports...envy is a mocker. it will always throw up the petiness in you.. |
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anybody who has been offered ission to any science course like pharmacy,optometry,dentistry,physiology,nursing,bch.mcb,etc,but does not know what to expect from the course in of credit loads,departmental marking schemes,academic rigours,employment opportunities,job prestige etc. can pm me for clarification.
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odizeey: Gud nyt every one i love u all,including origbim sorry o bt dat name reminds me of ma sec sch friend,. Gud nyt. We shall see tomorrow no problem.sleep tight. 1 Like |
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