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Olu317:
Some of you young people are always carefree with words posted online. Here are statements of fact.

1. Oranmiyan founded Bini Kingdom in eleventh century.

2. Ughoto Town was founded in eleventh century by Ekaladerhan, the son of Ogiso Owodo

3. Oba Bini as at 1472 was Ewuare


4. Antonio Galvao attributed the
first Portuguese voyage through the Bight of Benin to one Ruy de Sequeira in 1472, who stopped at the Coast of Ughoto

5. Oba Bini as at 1485 was Ozolua

6. In 1486, Ohen Okun doubled as the leader/Chief and Priest of Olokun festival in Ughoto because he was the descendant of Ekaladerhan

7. Ughoto happened to be the seaport under
Oba Bini and place of the festival of Olokun deity

8.This same seaport at Ughoto was where Portuguese emissary Alfonso D'Aveiro journeyed through water to arrived at over land in Bini city 1486.






9. The visit of Afonso d’ Aveiro was highly acknowledged by scholars and given enough
attention in European historical in 1486

10. Ohen Okun, the chief priest of Olokun deity in 1486 followed Alfonso D'Aveiro to Portugal to meet with King John II of Portugal to learn more about Portugal on behalf of Oba Bini.

Endnotes

11 Ruy de Pina, Chronica de Ruyi Domfoa II, Combra, 1950, P.24

12. Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing. Interview
conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with
Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming, venue-Ughoton. Interview
conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier,
Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

1.Oranmiyan didnt he simply changed the dynasty, like ile-ibinu or ubini or benin kingdom are exonyms igodomigodo is the true name of the benin kingdom

2 That is true

3.Also true

4. True

5. True

6.Source or citation to back this claim ?

7.Yes thats true

8. true

9.Source or citation yet again

Olu317:
Ekerlederan died in Ugotton or ughotto or gwatto. His descendants are in succession chief (leader) of Ughotton.

Ekarledaran descendant met the Portuguese who came to Ughotto and to meet Oba Bini in 1485/86. This is well documented in European in West Africa.So, it's no ludicrous but candid fact.

So, Ekarledaran founded and died in Ughotto. His descendants are still there till tomorrow. Infact, a son of Edo land did research on the port history in Bini kingdom.

Have you Got any sources backing this ludicrous claim or are you pulling shit from your ass

samuk:
These are few things you most Know.

1. Benin history was extensively documented by the Europeans from late 1400s to late 1800s, a period of about 400 years.

2. The last independent Oba of Benin before the British put an end to the Benin Kingdom/empire in 1897 was Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (ruled 1888–1897), by this time Benin already have about 400 years of documented history by Europeans and locals such as Ajayi Crowder.

3. Nobody has so far be able to provide any documented sources that is dated before the reign of Oba Ovonramwen to Benin/Ife connection. In other words no one can provide documented prove that Benin had any relationship with Ife before 1888.

4. There are no mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin history before 1888. There are no mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin first 400 years of documented history.

5. Benin kingdom was destroyed by the British in 1897.

1897 to date: (A new Benin history was created on paper with no evidence from the past)

Phase 2 of Benin history.

1. Documents were written after 1888 that claimed that Benin had relationship with Ife, there are two sources

A. Yoruba sources claimed that Oba of Benin was a son of Oranmiyan who was a son of Oduduwa who once ruled Ife. Most yoruba sources believed that Oduduwa was from the middle east/Saudi Arabia.

B. Benin sources agreed with the yoruba sources expect on the origin of Oduduwa. Benin sources believed that Oduduwa was a banished Benin prince who found his way to Ife In the 11th century.

1. So do you believe that Benin had any relationship with Ife before 1888 in the absent of documented evidence?

2. Do you believe Benin oral sources that didn't only claimed Oduduwa as Benin prince but also provided a time period of the 11th century.

Or

3. Do you believe the yoruba sources that claimed that Oduduwa was from the middle east or Saudi Arabia.

1. Yes that is true out of all the nigerian kingdoms Benin has been extensively recorded compared to the rest except Kanem and the hausa states to an extent

2. Also true

3.Thats true to an extent Benin tradition says that ife sent a prince to benin to claim the position of oba on the behest of the edo elders or "uzama"

4 Not neccesarily an ife sculpture was taken from the palace of the oba showing some links

Phase two

1 I do because of said sculpture found in the palace also during the reign of the warrior kings the obas had not invaded ife but towns that used to be under its control were taken,and its never explained why?

2 Personally oduduwa being Yoruba or edo means nothing both kingdoms (Benin and yoruba kingdoms) have cultures which claim him but are both different peoples cultures and languages,but personally i see him as being neither as nothing but a migrant leader into ife during the war with the drunken king obatala

No i do not beleive oduduwa fell from heaven or is from saudi arabia unless others have proof

Hello Nairalanders my name Tshepo Ajayi i am from Behchuana,My father is NIgerian specifically Bini and Yoruba and My mother from botswana I have always been interested in history in fact I major it in uni and coming from a bini-yoruba background i have a lot of historical heritage from of course these two ethnic groups and my two favourite civilisations are benin and ife and there relationship is something i wish to explore with the knowledge of the nairalanders and of course nigerians in this forum to explore it FULLY

of course these things can get quite tribalistic as i have observed
SO HERE ARE THE RULES

1. NO opinions to be thrown about without proof etc Sources,citations from experts on the subject (but this must also be be sourced) or traditions

2. NO BIGOTRY no bigotry shall be thrown around in this thread no matter how flustered or angry you are KEEP YOUR COMPOSURE yes i am talking about people like TAO11 or gregyboy or davidnazee who attack tribes for a little debate on nairaland

3. If you wish to debunk a statement please use sources and actual proof no emotions or such or stupid opinions

4. Statements are allowed to be made at first but can only be debunked with proof


Now of course i have my opinions with the relationship feel free to debunk with sources NOW these opinions are

1.Ife did not necessarily have a subservient relationship with benin but benin saw ife as a sort of religious site as ife has a strong religious affinity with benin thought benin has many differences in religion with ife

2 I wouldn't go as far to say that Benin was a vassal to ife but ife did have superiority and benin probabaly had ife dominated markets i do believe this ended after the oba ewuare came into power

3 The infamous "Oghene" from portuguese adventures to the itsekiri coast then occupied by benin, my professor (a man versed in african history) doesnt like the way that people use to give validity to kingdoms nearby benin superiority,the information given is iffy at best and details vague, did the portuguese see this process of handing of a brass head and symbols of authority?, or is it a misunderstanding and how did they gather this informatiion,also they never were never at the kings court in benin just near the gates by their description of the place,also where is this transfer in the traditions of benin or ife?

4 No low quality content in the form of none backed sources and of course stupid opinions like benin ruled to "ivory coast!!" and stuff like that

TAO11:
who died at Ughoton?

Ekalahederan

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TAO11:
Another lie from samuk the liar about to be dismantled:



(Q) Did some Eastern-Yoruba kingdoms engage in warfare with Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?

(A) Yes!
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(Q) But did Benin kingdom rule and control some Eastern Yoruba kingdoms?

(A) Absolute falsehood!

The traditions which make this false claim ALL emanate originally from Benin kingdom.

And these s are not corroborated by the traditions which emanate from these Eastern Yoruba kingdoms.

I’ll be waiting for the traditions emanating from any Eastern Yoruba kingdom which says anywhere that Benin once ruled/controlled it.

cc: babtoundey, Afam4eva, LegendHero, gomojam, scholes0

Just as the Urhobos, Itsekiri*, Isoko, et al. now use “Oba”, right ?? Benin warped reasoning galore!

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*Yes, I know that technically speaking the Itsekiri were not conquered. But the point I’m making in general already refuted your warped reasoning as always

Im sorry but do you have quotes from traditional monarchs or any sources for these claims and to say that the itsekiri werent conquered is false considering up till the times of nana of olomu were oaying tribute to benin

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