NewStats: 3,264,512 , 8,183,963 topics. Date: Wednesday, 11 June 2025 at 11:29 AM 684b47

I try to avoid much of what GEJ says these days because He is a lousy talker Tomorrow He will come and tell us He was mis quoted by the press- A old man that lies naked

gregtochi:

Save for the caption of this write up which I don't entirely agree with, I believe the op presented a balanced viewpoint.

And I am also of the view that it is too early in the thread for you to start name-calling and cursing.

Go and see T.B Joshua...... Just my recommendation for you

Onlytruth:

You are shifting grounds unecessarily.
As I write this, INNOSON is using parts made in Nigeria (about 60%) from factories in Enugu and Nnewi, to build Nigerian vehicles.
He is achieving that feat where Nigerian owned PAN FAILED.
Private companies are run to survive in places where government ones fail.

Look lets not deceive ourselves. INNOSON as company has reached a stage where if no government cash flow comes in, or a HUGE bank loan, or an external partner with government sureties to pour cash into the business, it will end up as another assembly plant that would fold up a decade from now.

Ask yourself, does INNOSON have $5bn to spend on research of hybrid vehicles on Nigeria and West Africa roads? Can INNOSON compete with the giants to gain significant market share in West Africa without massive cash flow?

Have you asked yourself, why Nigerian banks, transporters still go to Japan, to buy their commercial vehicles in bulk down there, while INNOSON is at their door step? The reasons are so obvious.

Again, cars of today are no longer just metals welded together, they are a intelligent mobile rodents and with what INNOSON is chunking out there is no way it would capture 1/4 of even West Africa. This is why the government needs to step in with cash and policy to get INNOSON to begin to invest in research, laboratories, personnel ( I mean global experts from around the world not just local brains that is still using anvil in the workshop) and cutting edge assembly plant to optimise their production.

CFCfan: As actual aircraft production is on the high side, I think the Airforce institute in collaboration with some local schools, can start with the manufacture of high-tech helicopters.
Hopefully, the President, ministers (on official duty), and top leadership of the National Assembly, would use them as part of the presidential fleet. The Airbus/Boeing planes should continue to be used for international trips.

Aircraft production is on the high side, however, the spiral effects on the economy is HUGE. You suggested manufacture of high tech helicopter. However, I can tell you that helicopter is even as expensive to develop as a 30 seater aircraft for example.

Onlytruth:

On the bolded point, I think I need to stop arguing with you on that.
ALL government owned ventures (parastatals) in Nigeria FAILED.
We do not have an ability to produce our own weapon systems solely because of that.
Next?

However, have you asked yourself, how come these same individuals who happened to have managed government owned ventures to failure, end up with successful ventures of their own?

You keep going on about weapons systems, how can you build a weapons system when ordinary laboratory to perform NHV is a rare sight in Nigeria? How many renowned materials laboratory abound in nigeria? Do you even have stable power to be able to run a 6 axis spindle CNC machine for 24/7 machining?

You need to have the blocks in place before you can build a house! Unfortunately in Nigeria, we want to build a house but refuse to either mould blocks or go buy some.

These things the government has to deliberately put in place with the strategic target of ensuring that in a decade, they can set up ventures that can produce aircraft.

Onlytruth:

You still have not said anything different from what I said already.
Governments strategic companies and they can make requests of those companies, BUT they never force them to do things that impede their abilities to develop and deliver the product.

I am sorry, not making much sense to me. You want private sector to be the ones owning these company from scratch with government coming in to assist. However, I have told you this will NEVER work in some industries like aerospace. Same goes for automotive.

INNOSON motors will remain what it is (I.e. Good brand name but in desirable product) unless government steps in with cash and policy! All of the major car companies in the world today were propped up by government cash and policies, else they would have remain in the history books as once good ventures that died prematurely.

Onlytruth: For a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry looooooooooooooooooooooong time in Nigeria, the federal government kept propping up auto manufacturing parastatals like PAN, but they remained on life .

Today INNOSON is taking the sector to another level, with almost ZERO government .
Now, imagine what he can do with some grants from government.

Governments are just bad in direct venture development.

How come in CHINA, government ventures and businesses are very successful? SNOPEC, COMAC, CHINAOIL, you name them, they are all state owned yet are profitable and making money for the Chinese government.

It tells you that it is just another myth when people claim government are just bad in direct venture development.

Have you ever asked yourself while all the military ventures owned by government always seems to deliver, and in most cases are profitable?

Onlytruth:

You ended up ing what I've already said, though I know that most of you people don't bother to read comments first before commenting.
I said that the government can help BUT only by way of GRANTS, TAX BREAKS, and DIRECT FUNDING (where necessary).
BUT the venture itself should be private.
How is that different from what you just said?

It cannot be private from scratch! It has got to be solely government owned and funded until the structure is established for private individuals to come in, then the government pull back.

No private investor would want to burn their money in any investment the way the aerospace industry burns money to develop aircraft. Only national government would be able to afford that because of their nearly unending streams of cash flow.

Onlytruth:

In Nigeria, NO it is a very bad idea. The so called drone the Airforce produced is laughable compared to what a PRIVATE company would have produced.
Nigeria has a particular reason why such direct government venture cannot work -the country is too fractious and divided. Such direct government venture can only work in countries with ONE DOMINATE tribe or nation, like China, or Israel. Diverse nations and even first world ones rely on private companies, because they are far more efficient in such nations.
In Nigeria, government things are sited and run for political reasons. That is why the government should steer clear of sectors that it wants urgent transformation, like aviation technology.
For much of my life the federal government owned defense industries corp (DIC) can't product Sh$$t. By now, it should be producing strategic weapons systems like missiles. But they are stuck in the mud all these years.

The drones produced by Airforce, was a starting point and perhaps a steep learning curve. My very disappointment with that drone was the politicisation and the inglorious celebration that greeted her announcement by an inept government.

Deg an aircraft is really no a big deal, the real issue is manufacturing, assembly and testing. This is an area where unfortunately, you have not got the skills, you are screwed big time.

Your claim of fractious government in nigeria as reasons why government funding of an aircraft project would not work, maybe I need to remind you that in the US, each time Boeing is to build an aircraft, there is a huge state and federal government squabble over who and where gets what, yet that does not prevent Boeing from still design, manufacturing, assembly and selling aircraft to the rest of the world.

All we need is the right people with the right mind set.

Onlytruth: ...And we don't need another federal government school for this.
We already have universities in the country. Let them carve a niche for themselves in aviation engineering WHEN they see the opportunity in the PRIVATE aviation engineering companies.

Enough of "federal government this and that.."

But I am sorry to say, it does appear you have no inkling how Airbus, Boeing, COMAC, Bombardier, Embrae, Hawker Sidley, etc. came to be. There is no civil aircraft manufacturing company that exist today in the world that was borne out of solely private enterprise.

Aircraft design, manufacture, sales and after sales business is a multi billion dollar business and you absolutely need government funding to be able to survive in this business.

If you are not aware, it takes approximately 6 to 8 years to get an aircraft from market study/concept development to EIS first flight. Throughout these 6 to 8 years, you will have to BURN cash continually running into billions.

The Airbus A350-900 would have gulp $12bn by the time it enters into service with Qatar Air Q2 this year and B777X, is being estimated to gulp nearly $10bn plus by the time it enters into service by 2024. Tell me, how many Nigerians or private individuals have such free cash to burn with even the possibility that you would not break even for another 5 to 6 years after EIS.

The government needs to step in, help get something going, then, pull out and allow the private investors take over from there. Even when the private investors do take over, the politics of Aircraft business is such that you will require your national or regional government body to back you up in order for you to do business successfully.

rudedough:

Do you have proof that she edited those websites? I mean concrete proof, not hearsay.

N.B: Don't talk about Wiki cos anyone with a cell-phone and an internet connection can edit Wiki at any time.

So please show us some proof that she edited those websites you claimed was edited.

Do you think I have time for Internet nonentities like you? My prayer for you is that this incompetence and criminality you are defending today, that you son or daughter will not be their victim.

manny4life:

Haha... Omo_tear_tear,


Your Delta vs Edo state is pending, you fled like a rabid dog after u got WHOOPED like a little bittch, oh let me guess, the servers are still down in the UK? LOL

The thread about 70% of airline ticket going to airport ops is unfinished. You left the thread on the guise u went for carol... till today, no show..

The thread about your Go and Die Governor where Jmaine floored your cursed behind, that one still dey... Haba

and the threads keeps adding up, unfinished business

How many threads will you flee from?

Sorry I did not flee, Seun had me banned cos I posted several pics and I have over 120 to post.

You are a failed agricultural pilot. I really do hope you never make it to the deck of BA or even Arik because you are a dangerous animal, so unintelligent to be allowed behind the cockpit.

Is this not the height of your foolery to think Jmaine, a nonentity and a cursed soul would even attempt to engage my index finger on NL is a sane discuss and still remain alive.

I have known you on here for a while, and I know you are not a bright individual, and under achiever in life.

It is a no brainer that only a thief will come to the defense of a convicted criminal, hence I am not surprised at your shallow defense of your senior criminal and sister in blood & crime.

1Achiever: here distance = avr vel * t
avr v = final vel /2 = 100m/s / 2 = 50 m/s
in the 1st 100s ur plane will travel at 50m/s for 100 sec = 50*100 = 5000 m
and the second 100s ur speed is cons so 100m/s * 100 = 10000m
sir ur plane is now 15000 m away from you..
if I am wrong pls correct me.)))))) I am intrested in knowing the answer cos I am both an aero engineer and private pilot. I hope I am not wrong

Simple answer: The area under the graph

Mathewca: Friends i too studied aeronautical engineering from india but now living in nigeria,could anyone tell me what job could an aeronautical engineer fit into with airlines and private jet operators

Well it depends on what aspect of aeronautical engineering you actually studied. If it is design analysis, then you need to either establish your own company or get out of Nigeria as no airline in Nigeria have the capacity to accommodate you.

If you are really that good, nothing stops you from starting your own aerospace company in Nigeria with focus on deg and analyzing aerospace structures.

[size=13pt]So is it your LOOTOCRAT GEJ that is now building the lightrail

PDP e-demon[/size]

agbameta:


Mogbe!!!! Official government website is INFORMAL? What's next, official government website is an ordinary blog. lmao.


Where else do you get accurate info about your own government and it's officials if not from a government website? Are we all not in trouble if our government can not put on the internet for the world to see and obtain accurate info?

Btw, who supplied the with Oduah's bio? Stella Oduah or the just pulled everything from the sky without her knowledge and impute?

Are you still in elementary school, you are dumb or just playing dumb?

Abeg do not waste your time on that nonentity. He is also a holder of forged WEAC certificate who has no shame that is why He cannot qualify to be a professional Pilot for God knows along

Oduah, a certified degree certificate forger is still talking? PDP e-demons will go at any length to defend criminals after all that is the only work their father the devil is known for.

It is just too glaring for any sane human being. The fact that Oduah within the same day these allegations surfaced went about editing every known web page where She lied about Her phantom degrees is enough proof to show that this woman is a fraud!

It is no coincidence that Her Wiki page, Aviation Ministry page, facebook , personal website were all edited same day when the allegation broke. It shows she is hiding something.

Oduah is on the same pedestal as Salishu Buhari.... certified local champions in certificate forgery

nnenna.1:
I am still wondering....who on earth sponsors Sahara Reporters and Times in their hunt for an expose on Oduah?

I recall hearing something about Stella rejecting a contractor bid worth N16b and settling for a N600M contractor to renovate the airports. This being a possible reason for the media backlash.

Not sure if this is true or not. Are contractor bids for federal projects open to the public?

Someone needs to if any aggrieved "long time" contractors are in the fray.

I think all this much more personal than the "Enugu Airport" argument. I don't even think it is a tribal conspiracy as some would put it.

Something is not quite right here.

FYI, and this is a FACT I am in the known of. The contracts for airport renovation is being handled by a front company owned by Oduah's close relative. We will leave this discussion for another day.

You and I know that there is no way Saharareporters can publish what they are publishing online if they collect kick back as it would be only a matter of weeks before FBI would track them down! So the issue of bribing is out of the window dude.

Obiagu1:

Sir, could you simply cover your face in shame if you have any dignity in you?

No wonder you are worthless in the eyes of potential recruiters because your education is really abysmal.

Hehe see this suffer head civil servant who leaves on the change that 'oga' leaves on the table.

It is obvious that you did not write your WAEC exam and your civil servant job you got it through man know man

FYI, Oduah is now ed in the UK database as a certificate cheat. I await the next article on dailymail.co.uk on this criminal and known serial liar.

Can you deny the fact that Her profile as shown in this image did claim She had a Masters degree?

Obiagu1:

Now this your post makes me wonder if you are even educated.

So the CV she submitted to NASS has different content compared to her 'citation' to the same NASS?

Give yourself a well deserved name because I won't do that for you.

You have never lived in a sane society so I would not expect you to know that when you put forward a citation or transcript of your educational or professional History even on the Internet, it is expected of you that your stated claims are indeed true and verifiable.

In your shallow mind, the CV has more authenticity than Her citation before NASS. Even Her facebook page claimed She had an MBA, same with the Nigeria Aviation web page! Who is fooling who?

With individuals like you dotting the Nigerian landscape, you do not need much evidence as to why the country remains what it is today despite Her enormous wealth.

[size=13pt]WHY ON EARTH DID SHE CLAIM TO BE AN MBA degree holder in Her official profile on the Nigerian Aviation website? [/size]

Obiagu1:

That CV came from NASS.

Secondly, show where she made those claims or forever glue your lips together.

I have said it before, you are a frustrated man in the UK.

Hehe.. PDP e-demon... Oduah citation to the NASS is the public fora so stop displaying your st.upidity here and do the needful.

I am sure Her Certificate forgery began from Her days when She made stray into the oil industry.

I wont be surprise if you too, you are a holder of a fake WAEC certificate which you never sat for in the first place.

FYI, you are not qualified to work as an assistant to my personal secretary in the office here in the UK. #FACTS

Chukwudii44 aka PDP e-demon... shey you dey see that slap... better behave, else you go get that kin virtual slap for real

taharqa: Exposed by who exactly? Are you IJIOTS sick or what? Watch d Video by Channels TV and the manipulated one by SR, and tell me which one is 'fuller' and a truer reflection of what happened that day in d hearing.

Stop your madness, this is 2014! In either video, you can clearly see OAP telling lies in a split second. If she was sick, why then did she not communicate to the house in time? Where is the doctor's report that confirm Her illness? Or is she exempted from the civil service rules and policy of sick leave procedure?

She lied and was caught red handed!

Sloan: FAT PIG woman! She was only acting up, pretending to be sick so as to get off easily but the committee chair again showed superior intelligence, tact and in fact took the initiative by immediately giving her the option that threw her off her script. Did you notice how her previously closing eyes opened wide and she was mouthing off violently (for a sick woman 1 minute ago) as soon as she knew she was exposed.

I thought I was the only one that noticed it! I was so ashamed and said to myself, this is the kind of lies you hear from school children in class 4 .. Auntie my belle is pain me..(faking face and holding stomach), so I can't fit answer the question... and after 12noon, you see the same child with FAN yoghurt ice cream

Sincere 9gerian: No surprises. APC and their allies in the media have proved over and over again that they'r incurable liars and shameless propagandists. They represent everything that is EVIL.

Fake Doctor, how market now? Oduah certificate scandal Nnko

Obiagu1: The title of this thread should read:

Official CV Of Stella Oduah Confirms She Never Claimed To Have A Masters Degree.
Saharareporters Lied!

So why then did she say so in Her citation to the NASS? Is that not even a bigger crime to have lied on oath? Who also gave the information that was posted on the Her facebook page, Ministry of Aviation website?

Theres a Chinese brain for sale you know

Don Xavi: I'll never be a er to a fraud or an enemy of the nation. If she is found culpable of any of the charges leveled against her she should face the full weight of the law; that's my opinion.

My question is, why are they being selective in this their alleged investigations? Even a close blind and sightless observer will decipher that some people are really after this woman for some apparent reasons which in actual fact are very conspicuous to us all.

Clap for yourself..... PDP e-demon! Is Stella the only Minister in GEJ's cabinet? Instead of you to use your brain rightly and ask yourself why this woman had to doctor her educational history, you are here spewing rubbish.

I know the LOOTOCRAT GEJ will not do a thing because Oduah must recover the N5bn she spent for GEJ's election by hook or by crook.

I cant imagine what those Brazilians will be thinking....

frankyychiji: The next time u quote me without good reason I will make sure u never have d opporttunity to do so again.

Who is this disgruntled element? Etisalat gave you free mb, is that why you come online to shout?

@OP,
Go get a job... Osho baba lives on by Gods grace. All PDP e-demons shall die by thunder and fire in 2014! Edo will never return to darkness.. never again

How Far?:


Except you classify Esan as Igbo. Anyway we will soon have Esan state.

This post clearly reveal you are not from Edo State. I won't waste my time on you and your useless thread...

donphilopus: FYI, Omo_Tier1 is from Edo state, I'm equally an Edolite.

I've been fighting for Odua Republic for years?

That dude is not from Edo State, He is an ibo boy.

How Far?:


You can have your Odua republic at last, is that not what you want? You've been fighting for it for years.
For your information am from Edo state.

You cannot be from Edo State, we do not condone criminals in power in Edo State. We do not defend criminals from any where in Edo State. EDOS are known for their open disdain for criminality and we do not give a hoot how much you have, once you are link to a scandal, that is the beginning of your downfall in Edo State.

You must be an ibo trying to hide your identity as most of them do in this forum

How Far?:


So Tinubu's forgery should be overlooked, he leads the entire race and yet we're not allowed to tell his folks he's a fraud? Am here to help the Yorubas understand the former drug lord Tinubu.

Why have you not found the wisdom all the while to sue Tinubu in court? How come you did not see it a wise thing to open a thread about Tinubu and His certificates up till now?

You must have the brain of a cow pea to think your diversionary attics would douse the Oduah certificate scandal that is now being reported in Asia as Africa news round, and no doubt would be futured in the Dailymail.co.uk in the next day or two.

You must be Despicable human being .