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eph12:

That is not what Amorim said. Or maybe he has finally trained them and that's why they were able to get a result against LFC? I want to believe you're not trolling and very serious

That’s what he said. Seriously. He downplayed it though, but I think the training helped. The score would have been different tbh. Could also be that the tactic worked well against them.

https://utddistrict.co.uk/ruben-amorim-man-utd-training-three-things/03/01/2025/

Leyqute:


They actually don’t. Missing 5 yard es and failing to track an opposition is nowhere near giving your all.

Lol, that sounds unfair. Especially if it’s a new system for them and the manager has not had the chance for trainings.

Okay, so the team trained consistently this week and we played well against Liverpool. Amorim downplayed it though, but it seems the training helped. Maybe Amorim has not had much time to get the players to understand the system or he is not a fan of football training.

https://utddistrict.co.uk/ruben-amorim-man-utd-training-three-things/03/01/2025/

eph12:

What are the things you see that makes you think the players have not trained in a long time?

Amorim mentioned it himself na. And we all see it in the results. Lol. Abeg leave me.

nitrogen:


The players play like they have not trained in a long time. Yes, there are misplaced es once in a while, but that’s normal, every team does it. Go check the likes of Real Madrid and Liverpool. Players are humans.

Onana is clearly not good enough. No one should dispute that. The set piece issues are on the set piece manager. We were not conceding those type of goals pre Amorim.

Funny thing is Amorim recently said that he has not trained the team yet. How does he expect the players to understand what he’s trying to implement sef? Wahala.

Lana1:
Conte had players who showed up and stayed consistent

Lol. They decided not to show up for previous managers, then they showed up for Conte, and then after three years sent him packing. Wow.

eph12:

Of course not everything. The coach must continue to train his players until they can play the way he wants them to play with their eye closed.

But can you state the things that are on the player that you have noticed in the last couple of games?

The players play like they have not trained in a long time. Yes, there are misplaced es once in a while, but that’s normal, every team does it. Go check the likes of Real Madrid and Liverpool. Players are humans.

Onana is clearly not good enough. No one should dispute that. The set piece issues are on the set piece manager. We were not conceding those type of goals pre Amorim.

We are playing Sou next in the league, hopefully we can beat them. These guys are 20th FFS.

maik99:


The point is the players need to be ready to give 100% minute 1-90 every friggin game
You cannot have been watching our matches since Amorim came and be talking about system
A systemic issue was when our midfield was wide open under Ten Hag , to cite an instance, not when players are committing stupid errors and getting out worked by the opponent

Hehe, so you think the players don’t give their all every game? They do, it’s just difficult if it’s a new system, it will take time and most will never get there and will need to be discarded because they don’t suit the style.

Lana1:
Conte completely changed his system and switched to 3-4-3 immediately after the 3-0 Arsenal loss and he stuck with it till he was sacked. He didn't change it because he was playing against almighty defensive Nottingham Forest.

Conte had the players, no? We don’t have the players for 3-4-3.

adisaaowala:


But just like you said earlier, these same players have shown that they can turn up...especially vs the big teams...

If you check, the performance today was very similar to what we saw vs city and even Arsenal (despite the loss).

I think the adaptability Nitrogen is talking about, isn't necessarily formation based.

Thanks. I am not saying we should do 3-4-3 today, 4-3-2 or whatever tomorrow, but there are lots of tweaks during the game which could also include deciding to have more players than 2 in the middle of the park when you realize that we are overrun completely. Sometimes, you just decide to be unpredictable with your set up.

Amorim won’t survive if he insists on doing the same thing over and over especially with the current players. The league is absolutely brutal.

maik99:
🚨 Bruno Fernandes: “We can't be satisfied. I'm pretty upset”.

“If we can show this at Anfield, why can't we do this every week? We need to be aware that we need much more from ourselves”.

Cc nitrogen

Lol, Bruno says this everytime. It shows they are also pissed off. You think they wake up every day deciding when to be serious and unserious? Loool

maik99:


Alonslow na speed merchant ke
The point you are trying to make is dead on arrival

Sorry, Moses was the speed merchant with Alonso more positionally aware and disciplined.

eph12:

According to nitrogen, the players are already giving it their all, we just need to simply change from 343 to 442 for us to start winning games and scoring goals

No, my point is, a bit of flexibility until you get your players would help. Don’t get carried away with this performance against Liverpool. Everything is not solely on the players.

I when Conte switched to his 3-4-3 at Chelsea. It was successful because the players he met were perfect for it. Matic, Kante in the middle, Costa the one man mopol striker, Moses and Alonso are speed merchants that were perfect for the wing back positions. The defenders were sturdy. And Conte focused more direct play, no wasting of time, you get the ball, you try to get to opponents box within a few minutes. Also, the formation was new in the EPL, took sometime for teams to understand what was going on.

eph12:

Which manager do you know that changes formation every match? Play 442 today, play 343 the next

Not every match, but you could start with your 3-4-3 and make those changes during the game. Adaptability is key. Sometimes, the changes are not visible, you realize it as soon as we start playing well in the same game. Every successful manager do it. You can’t stick with something that you don’t have tools for.

Lana1:
New manager. New system. The 3-4-3 he is trying to implement hasn't clicked yet but you want him to be switching formation every 1 game because Bruno and Dalot that turned up against Liverpool today suddenly forgot how to play football 3 days later against Bournemouth.
In situations like that it is the players that will have to change not the system. We have seen what Amorim's system looks like against top teams and it is clear it is the players that are stupîd. Not the manager. For example Hojlund today

No way, so the players should change, but the manager should not be flexible? That’s not how it works at all. Don’t forget that we bought them before Amorim ed.

A style that isolates our striker against small teams. Erasmus saw lots of the ball today because it was Liverpool that is more focused on scoring vs defending. Unfortunately, he is not the type that can do much with it, which means against small teams, he’s completely useless.

Lukaku, Osinmen type of players would do better as they are more aggressive, will come hustle for the ball and will do something on their own when they receive the ball. Erasmus is not fit for this style at all. In the meantime, to mask his weakness, what would a reasonable manager do?

eph12:

We can almost predict the starting 11 if most of the players are fit. Bruno, Amad and Hojlund as attackers. Mainoo and Ugarte have been playing together for some time now. Dalot and Maz have been consistent as WB for some games now. I think its the CB that hasn't really been consistent. As for the Case and Eriksen midfield against Newcastle, Amorim needed to rest his first choice which are Mainoo and Ugarte

The midfield and defence have seen various players since Amorim ed. How many times have Ugarte and Mainoo started together this season? Also the back three.

Lana1:
If we lose the next match watch him say the manager should ditch his tactics to accommodate players wey no get any strength in the first place

Players wey no get strength played well against Liverpool but don’t want to play well against Bou and Westham. You think they are happy that we are 14th and are being beaten by the likes of Wolves? Make it makes sense na.

Lana1:
Pretty obvious. Yet our resident inert gas will keep saying it's the manager not playing to the strength of the players

We cannot do much with an inflexible style. That’s the fact! We are too predictable and that’s why every dick and Harry is ready to beat us. There are games where a simple 4-4-2 will dismantle the opponent. Flexibility ensures you exploit the strengths of your players and mask their weaknesses.

ChristineC:
so if the team consistent higher %possession, higher xG, more touches in opponents' boxes, not rolling over to be pounded like a bag of sand even away at difficult stadia, how is the system problematic?
two things; we need to fix conceding from set plays and find someone who can consistently put away chances. that will be a start.
Bruno has dropped his scoring boots, sadly!

Agree that we need to fix the set piece issues, which is on the coaching team.

Higher possession and more touches don’t win games. It’s what we do with the possession. High xG is driven by the expected possession (dependent on style) and the fact that we create quality chances albeit very few. You are also looking at the attacking side of the style only, we know that our defence has been shyte (of course due to set piece issues, but also because we are caught unawares at the back when teams counter us). We are exposed at the back when we lose the ball through mistakes or anything because we are left with just three players at the back as our wing backs can’t easily recover or are too far from their defensive positions.

If we take our few quality chances, it’s fantastic, but may not be sustainable especially when playing against small teams that are defensively organized.

Ellexy:
He's physically stronger, more aggressive, aerially superior to Lindelof. Both have average pace. Lindelof has more football IQ though.

Same Lindelof wey una wan kill for here. God will forgive Utd fans.

ChristineC:
yet somehow the system keep ing a higher xG against all their opponents. how do you reconcile that?
a player that can put away more chances will change something in the interim.

Higher xG means nothing. If you have fewer shorts on goal but higher efficiency, then it’s closer to 1. Shows probability of scoring from chances created which is on the back of several factors. You can great few quality chances with high xG. It’s expected and not actual. And again, there are several other factors used including high possession even if it’s all at the middle of the park.

eph12:

We have had the same 11 or 10 for about 3 consecutive games or so now

Not true.

engrelvis:
Exactly.. smbdy earlier this Amorim best 11.l can't agree more. We just need a finisher.

The players are not as bad as many think. I just hope Amorin starts getting his selections right. Stick to a starting 11 and make one or two changes until they get it. Not like we have anything to play for at this stage. Stop the rotations and stuff.

maik99:


Exactly
E reach Liverpool today dem dey do ote and agidi
On a normal day na zero effort and complacency
And some people will still say system

The system is great against Liverpool because they came out gun blazing. Against small teams, nah, they would defend and hit us with counterattacks.

Goosethetruth:
I wonder where the idiot pundits claiming Liverpool will win by 25 goals are?
A game that hasn't been played and you are predicting rubbish.
I saw Chris Sutton predicting 5-0 against United. This is why these idiots called football pundits should be ignored.

Great game from both teams. A 2-2 draw is a fair result. Salute to both clubs.

Lol, everyone was expecting a mauling based on our form.

eph12:
Why didn't the striker take that shot by himself fvck. How can Maguire not hit the target at least? I'm pissed

As in. Maybe he was expecting Magwaya to leave the ball for Garnacho.

chrisley024:
Bad miss but wasn't a good by Zirksee

Chai, Magwaya mess up. Understandable sha, no be striker, Zirkzee should have tried to take it though.

engrelvis:
l dnt think so . Our last meeting dey came out too. We were beaten by 3 goals. We v improve

It was Newcastle na. They are among the big guns these days.

Haaaaaa Jesus