NewStats: 3,264,407 , 8,183,635 topics. Date: Tuesday, 10 June 2025 at 10:56 PM 181a62

lastmessenger:
Do you want two wives? Oya na go and try. You can even have four

Does it bother you what the human experience is like?

lastmessenger:
Do you want two wives? Oya na go and try. You can even have four

Why is it that when people bring up issues like this with the sole aim to establish truth, clear doubts, remove ignorance and bring light into the hearts and mind of people and civilization, many people like you come up and ask this same question "do you want to marry more wives?"

While I understand why people ask such questions, I think its got to do with majority of mankind being preoccupied only by what Abraham Maslow calls physiological need, I think it is not enough as that's not how man came this far.

Manly P. Hall mentioned in his book: "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" that (paraphrasing) "He whose concern revolves only around the mundane (what he needs to live on) is a brute among men; he whose mind usually ponders on more lofty ideals, is a man among brutes...'

So, as long as man continues to preoccupy himself only with concerns about his physiological needs, he cannot reach to catch a glimpse of the beautiful hence, he is of no much use to mankind and cannot be relied upon.

In the ignorance, hate, and propaganda of some misguided Christians against polygamy, they resorted to telling blatant lies against it.
Some of them are so hell-bent on this demonization that they remain stubborn even in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary. They are so stubborn in the lies they tell that they completely forget that Jesus said "those who tell lies are of their father the devil" John 8:44.

One of the lies they tell in order to make sure polygamy is seen in a negative light is that Jacob suffered because he took more than one wife. But is this true? Let's find out!

Usually, reference is made to the issue Joseph had with his brothers to show that polygamy is bad. But the bible told his the reason his brothers hateted him was because his father LOVED HIM MORE THAN THE OTHERS! Gen 37 vs 3. Infact, it went further to say in the same verse why he loved Joseph more than the others: that he (Joseph) was born to him in his old age. So, if this is the case, why then do these christians, who, by the way, should know the truth, like Jesus comanded them, claim otherwise? If not for honest ignorance or outright hatred for God and his word, why would the christian, who has the spirit of truth in him, tell out right lies against Polygamy, an institution God has blessed?

If you want to hate a thing or disapprove of it, then please do so based on the demerits of it, not tell lies or wrongly understand it, especially when the truth can easily be discovered when we look carefully at the word of God.

If you are going to pin the jealousy of Joseph's brothers to the fact Joseph was born of a different brother, even though the Bible clearly MENTIONS WHY JACOB LOVES HIM MORE, LIKE I POINTED OUT EARLIER, WHY DON'T YOU ALSO SAY THAT THE FACT REUBEN WANTED TO SAVE JOSEPH FROM THE PIT AND ALSO CRIED WHEN HE CAME BACK AND COULD NOT FIND JOSEPH IN THE PIT SHOWS POLYGAMY FOSTERS LOVE AND UNITY AMONG ALL THE CHILDREN?

The bible says: "21 Reuben heard them and tried to save Joseph. “Let's not kill him,” he said. 22 “Just throw him into this well in the wilderness, but don't hurt him.” He said this, planning to save him from them and send him back to his father That is the Bible I just quoted to you, nothing else! So, it is left to the one who takes the word of God seriously to take note and stop calling polygamy unclean when, for God, it is clean! Acts 10 vs 15.

The truth that Joseph's brothers did not hate Benjamin but instead, protected him, shows that their jealousy for Joseph has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH POLYGAMY! In fact, when they met Joseph in Egypt, and Joseph asked them to bring Benjamin, Jacob refused. Judah took personal responsibility for Benjamin, and that's when Jacob allowed them to take Benjamin with them." Judah said to his father, “Send the boy with me, and we will leave at once. Then none of us will starve to death. 9 I will pledge my own life, and you can hold me responsible for him. If I do not bring him back to you safe and sound, I will always bear the blame. 10 If we had not waited so long, we could have been there and back twice by now.” Gen 43 vs 8 - 10.

In conclusion, all those who are open-minded enough can see that it is nothing but outright lies and a smear campaign against polygamy that Jacob 'suffered' because he had more than one wife".

The very fact that most christians do not know this, but peddle that lie, shows how much the average christian does not know about his faith and how much he has been misled and called unclean what god has made clean.

Dtruthspeaker:


Really, it's sad if you do not see that.

So, what do we do?

Do we just not even have discussions on issues anymore? If so, how then does the society improve?

Dtruthspeaker:


Is the new Google called a.i not giving you the very same opinion which someone somewhere has said and would have said?

The bottom line is that people do as they please and can accept a view even if it is wrong and not reasonable same way they reject a view even though it is right and on- reasonable

So sad

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[quote author=Kobojunkie post=135383118]

The Catholic Church courtesy of Rome, attempted a hijacking of a movement that began in Judah, before its destruction, for political and material gain.

This is a claim you are making. What evidence doy you have to back it up?

Also, explain to us how the Catholic Church, you rightly called it a church, predates christianity.

The Catholics did not give the world the books contained in the collection referred to as the Bible since the books were originally written by Israelites. Rather, the Catholics attempted to colonize the noise created around the movement, to make it all their own.

The new testament was written by Israelites means the church did not decide which books should or should not make it in? Also, not all the books of the New Testament were written by Hebrews. At least one, was written by a 'gentile'. So, that fact has blown a hole in your position, correct?

Kobojunkie:
1. These ideas have no Scriptural—Biblical—roots to them, though.

2. Where in Scripture did you draw this conclusion of yours from?

3. Wrong! This is not at all Biblical.

4. Fallen angels are not demons and demons are not fallen angels. This is the stance of Scripture.

That's not my opinion, but the opinion of Meta AI. You asked me to help you ask that question. I did, and that is the result I got.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ah! Your goal has been to convince a gullible, blind individual of their gullibility? For what purpose exactly?

2. If asked your AI tool whether fallen angels are demons, what response would it give you?

3. I am thinking it is a great tool for people like having discussions with AI...not my thing, really.

Have you always agreed the catholics gave the world the bible?

Kobojunkie:
1. Ah! Your goal has been to convince a gullible, blind individual of their gullibility? For what purpose exactly?

2. If asked your AI tool whether fallen angels are demons, what response would it give you?

3. I am thinking it is a great tool for people like having discussions with AI...not my thing, really.

When I asked it that question, this is what it says: ''In many religious traditions, including Christianity, fallen angels are often associated with demons. According to some interpretations, fallen angels are heavenly beings who rebelled against God's will and were cast out of heaven. These fallen angels are then seen as demons or unclean spirits that roam the world, often seeking to lead humans astray or cause harm.

In biblical s, figures like Satan or Lucifer are sometimes described as a fallen angel, and his followers are referred to as demons or unclean spirits. However, different traditions and interpretations may have varying understandings of the nature and role of fallen angels and demons.''

Kobojunkie:
But before AI technology, the world has always known that the decisions were made by humans. So, why did the need for an AI guarantee? 🤔

By the way, did you equally consider here that AI was built by humans, implying that the responses it fed you were likely based on preprogrammed ideas fed to it? 🤔

No, before AI and even after AI, many christians especially pentecostals and protestants never believed and infact, many of them will be shocked when you tell them that men in the catholic church decided the canon, which book should make up the bible, and which book should not be included in the bible. I have had many experience with such people. Infact, when you search this thread, especially the older ones, you will confirm what I just said.

The second point you raised, is a vary fair point. But having used Meta AI and Chat GPT for a while, I can tell you that ita flaw is not very much in the knowledge it can provide (although, there are mistakes there, but as soon as it points it out especialluly with evidence, it quickly its its miatake) but it is in how politically correct it can be.

Also, the machine is not a storage device, so it is not giving you garbage in garbage out. It is trained on how to have a conversation like humans would, as can be seen in how our discussion went.

So, yes, it is not flawless, but to a great extent, you can have a discussion with it, and in many casses and on many topics, it is far more objective than most people.

Kobojunkie:
Huh? 😏😏😏

Yes, the AI bot can considerably less bias than humans who have got an agenda and will think itting the other person's position, is would mean losing face.

So, see the reply it gave for the question ''did humans decide which book should and sblhould not be in the bible.

It asnwered in one word ''yes''!

Kingsempires:
So people will not mind their business

who should ''mind his business''?

mexxmoney:

Yeah, but when the so called tradition of the church is in conflict with scriptures, then which should supersede the other?
And by the way, except you're telling me that the word of God can be found elsewhere outside the scriptures then sola scriptura is the proper way to Go

Hmm

Are you sure about the bolded? Because I an about to show you.

I know this thread was in 2017. But if you can see today, please reply because I have something to show you.

Please don't be taken aback and not want to reply. Don't be affraid that you are about to get evidence for the contrary to sola scriptura. This is about your faith, not about agreeing with the Catholics. Because knowing the truth of the bible, is knowing the mind of God, and the depth of christianity. And I am sure you want to know these things. So, please give me the go ahead to provide you with it.

To be continued

continued.

Since having discussions on the issue of the canon of the bible and who decided it can be very problematic with some people being incapable to be fair about the issue, I have decided to have this discussion with an AI bot to see how it goes.

Below are screenshots of the conversation.

wonlasewonimi:
Someone discovered identity federation in 2025

what's that?

Seun:
We have made it easy for you to to your Nairaland without using a .
We have also made it easy to without having to hunt down security codes in your inbox.
Just click the With Google link in the screenshot below. Google will handle the rest.

PS: You can still and the old-fashioned way. The Google option is for your convenience.

How do you have this feature? What are the benefits of this to Nairaland and other websites that use this means? Don't you think by doing this, you give google access to key information about the site?

tiswell:
Catholics aren't Christians,they originated from Rome,and Romans worship idols,like the statue they named Mary

The believe in the sacrament of Penance (confession), a thing you make a mistake of not believing.

AlbertNewton:
The new pope has a slight resemblance to one of the most popular atheists in the world, Richard Darkins, who is now 84 years old

Sir Richard Dawkins!

I wonder why the Princess Royale has not knighted him even though hia friend, Stephen Fry, has been knighted.

Rapture4real:
Could US Pope be the last Pope before the end of the world fulfilling biblical.prophecy

Are you an Oyakhilomenian?

Okechinwadike:
Who noticed that cr7 prefer golden boots to trophies, he will never play corner for others to score. Show me Ronaldo in man u or Madrid or juventus where he play corner kick 5k for you

This is how you know young people who just started watching football not too long ago.

When he came to United, he was the corner kick taker Long side Giggs and Scholes until after the 2006 world cup when he revolutionised his game and changed his physique.

Princelyod:
In my life time I encountered the death of Michael Jackson, the greatest musician of all times, the Queen of England and Pope Francis. It's been a life time.

John Paul, not Francis

Lurker4Long:
Hmmm...

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2025-04-24-volodymyr-zelensky-lands-in-sa-for-talks-on-ties-and-peace-efforts/

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2025-04-24-ramaphosa-and-trump-agree-over-ending-ukraine-war-in-call/

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-04-22-ramaphosa-and-putin-discuss-war-in-phone-call-ahead-of-zelenskys-visit-to-sa/

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2025-04-24-zelensky-cuts-sa-visit-short-and-returns-to-kyiv-after-russian-attack/

So, what do Safas think about his visit, Zelensky?

lagostrendboy:


https://eyesoflagos.com/2025/04/24/unlearning-toxic-nigerian-parenting-habits-a-call-for-change/

How old are you?

A law should be ed to criminalize the use of the word ''toxic''.

Sequel to the thread you opened yesterday when you asked for suggestions on what should happen on Nairaland, I have opened this thread so we, who provided suggestions can, also ask you what you have learnt and intend to do.

You cannot ask us for suggestions and vanish like that. You also should give us the curtesy of replying and telling us what you have noted from the we provided and WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE UP. Failure to give us the curtesy we have given you, shows lack of respect for us and utter disregard. It would be better you don't ask for our suggestion.

Here is a link to the thread you opened yesterday.

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8398741/what-does-nairaland-need-right

Seun:
Hello Guys,

I'm throwing this question to you because it's very important. I have lost touch with Nairaland and I don't really know what's going on here. Every time I ask, "how is Nairaland?" I'm told that it is fine. If I ask what are the challenges I'm told there are none.

So I need to talk to you guys directly about what you think is going on and what you want us to do. I have not had the confidence to make major changes on Nairaland. I have a little now. What are your complaints, your challenges, your issues. What are the things that can drive people away?

Speak your mind, but don't be rude. Thanks.

Not like you will do anything about our recommendation but let me still drop mine.

Start by changing the skin of the website. Its too boring and has not changed one bit in 21 years!

In addition to the forum here, you can create a space where all can have their profile where they can have more freedom and control of their , who they want to interact with, who can interact with them, and how they would like the interaction to go.

Instant messaging could also be considered as well.

Then, let there be notifications on our mobile phones when we are mentioned in a post on the forum so we can quickly reply.

When you do this, you make the website more useful. The more people can do on it, the longer time they stay on the website, also the longer they stay on the platform, the more value the website has.

Goodadvice01:
Good morning people. I noticed that majority of s on this site live in Lagos.

Most of my childhood friends have traveled to Lagos.

That aside, I want to relocate to Lagos. I have an uncle that used to stay in orile (2018).

I can camp in his house for the main time.

You can also learn the barbing you are talking about, there as well.

The Orile you are talking about is not in Agege, but Ojo.

If I come to Lagos, can I get a job that can pay me like 100k and above every month. I have my waec and neco. I just turned 25.

I feel if I change environment, things will begin to go well for me.. and I heard there are lots of jobs in Lagos.

Here in the east, no work or company. Only Keke bus business that's thriving

Please can I make it in Lagos? I need suggestions. This is a life changing decision please

When you come, please look for the nearest skill acquisition centre and get enrolled. There, you can learn HVAC, or what is called in Nigeria, ''Refrigeration and Air conditioning''.

After your 9 months, you will go for IT which will take like 6months to 1 year. After, that, then you will be able to make like 100,000naira in a month.

While doing that, you can still write Jamb and further your education.

AskiaHarem:


Where’d you find this?

I don't know about the data, but the it is true we don't buy many new cars in Nigeria. Majority of the cars we buy are second hand cars.

Exnavyboy62:


Yes South African defence contractors helped but we did most of the fighting and securing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kimbo5c0Ak?si=-kSxDRLQXMHD2eDS

Man1960 asked me how old I am because I said what you at least to an extent, agree with.

Don't you think I'm the one who should be asking how old he is?