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Empiree:
you may listen to this when you have time

Interesting but I have reservations on some of what that sheikh was saying. There are so many thing being confidently mentioned in that clip as if is ultimate truth, but will mislead many murid listen to such discuss. It will breed more harm than benefit. I tried looking for its part 2 but couldn't get it. Do you have link to it?I would like to have the concluding part.

I'm particularly curious about the Sheikh Jamiu(rm) part, but he couldn't focus enough on that to give detail. You see I find it somehow if people mention that sheikh doesn't observe salah, May be perhaps they don't normally see him when is praying. Because, I can't imagine somebody that came to wake me up for salat, even after his demise would himself abandon it during his lifetime??

There is this anecdote I would like to share. My dad make his hajj pilgrimage in 1975. During Zuhr or Asr time.can vividly, he was having his nap when suddenly he saw Sheikh Jamiu(rm) hitting him with his staff, that he should wake up for sa lat. He immediately stood up and observed the Salah. This happened in Mecca and sheikh was still in Nigeria, Offa then. Upon returning, as he told us, he met sheikh and told him what he saw, he said sheikh just replied him by saying "haqiqa". To add to this, our house in Offa is directly opposite where sheikh spent is bachelorhood years, so they have rapport with my Dad then, though not as sheikh-murid stuff.

I stumbled on another clip of this sheikh Olodo titled lisan faydah. As much I derive one or two things there many of what they say there ought not be mentioned in public space.

I can understand why the "Puritas" raised objections many times upon hearing anything regarding Sufism, and in their delusion think everything about Sufi or ihzan is limited to that while generalizing it. May Allah GUIDE us (Amin).

Empiree:
Cases like this is a matter of qiyas depending on region we find ourselves. Qiyas doesn't have to be universal at all.

If you live in Western world and you work for non-Muslims especially white people, during their holidays: Thanksgiving, Xmas, Gregorian new year, your boss will give you double pay or bonus in form of cash and kind as holiday gifts. I am talking about anywhere from $250-$500 depending on your relationship with them.

It is a matter of exposure. They do this even if they know you are Muslim. You can't say that you can not accept non-Muslim food or you can not eat non Muslim food but you can accept non-Muslim money given to you in cash. It is the same. To reject one and accept the other is double standards. Islam encourages flexibility in areas like this by using your God given wisdom.

They will definitely offer you food. They give you whole turkey for Thanksgiving along with cash. Rich white people usually do this for their employees.

Now, a non Muslim who do this and also give you food most likely doesn't know what you believe in of diet. I have always stand my ground that you should kindly accept their food. It doesn't mean you have to eat it. You can always give the food to the poor. That's a form of charity from you as a Muslim. I am talking from experience. There is no need to debate them about "I can't eat food prepared for their religious celebration" etc. This is a waste of time.

Take the food if you can and thank them. They not gonna follow you to your house to make sure you eat from it. You do what you have to do with the food. If you can reject their food why not reject their money?.

I worked as a nurse taking care of a white man for 5yrs straight. Every yr, during Thanksgiving and Christmas, his daughter gave me whole turkey and $300 cash. Also brought me cooked food they prepared for their Thanksgiving. She did the same for Xmas every yr until her father ed away 5yrs ago.

What did I do with the turkey?. First, turkey is halal provided it is slaughtered according to sharia. But we know the turkeys sold at the supermarkets are not halal. I always accepted her turkey every yr and took them home and gave them to my CHRISTIAN neighbor but I kept the money

So Islam doesn't frown upon this since there is no clear daleel that forbids us from taking gifts from them. Now, I am aware of Ibn Qayyum's statements on this issue. That unfortunately was his sincere opinion but it is not binding. He gave his fatwa to saveguard religion. There is nothing bad in that. However, acceptable opinion is that if you live next to non muslim neighbor and they have been nice to you, they greet you on your eld etc, there is absolutely no reason to reject their food. Accepting their food is not tantamount to agreeing with their religion or religious festivals.

Accept the food to save face and give the food to charity. This is what I do. But those muslims who have not been exposed to multicultures and multiracial environment or diversity, they are gonna have problems with my approach.

It is a matter of hikma when dealing with non-Muslims. Always that they greet us on our Elds. There is nothing wrong with greeting them or returning greetings in their festivals, but I don't encourage muslims to initiate the greeting. What Islam concerns about is DO NOT THEM IN WORSHIP. This is transgression. As for giving them charitable gifts like this one posted by op, I call it "strategy". Islam encourages whatever you can do to peacefully coerce them to come to Islam. They have successfully used this approach in the UK which resulted to having many Churches converted to masajid. This same happens in USA. It is a strategic matter. But I prefer that a Muslim should greet them with generic term like "happy holidays" rather than merry Xmas.

I also condemn extremists who in the name of "peaceful coexistence" attend their Church services on Xmas. These types of muslims have crossed the line.


I also worked for a Pakistani muslim Man 15yrs ago. He had CHRISTIAN employees amongst us. I can still them. Tiffany and Danny. On Eld fitr and Eld adha, my boss would give them cash bonus for our muslim holidays. So this is a matter of qiyas, and no position is binding. All in all, muslims must not compromise his religion for worldly gain.

Barkallahu fihi...

Empiree:
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Amin.

You just sounded like ikupakuti

Really? Lol Perhaps, this is part of the gem I gave gleaned from his posts lol, we've really missed him here.

I requested from a brother to help me investigate about him but yet to give me . I tried using Facebook, since he is very close to khalifah lukman, I think I c an perhaps get him from sheikh's friends list but the number is enormous, I think close to 4k! I did search a bit taking closer look at people staying in Kano, but so far I haven't get anything tangible. May Allah protect him wherever he is (amin)

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Wow I love that last paragraph, its epitomized the entire mission of Islamic mysticism. It's like isra wa miraj for the first stage of 'ing away' in God, where nasful Amarah(ego) is effaced totally and bring under control of loving and worshiping Allah alone, where soul is deriving pleasure he can't get anywhere. This is FANAUU!.

The second segment of coming back with renewed vigour, where he sees DIVINE imprint on all the creation, and he now carry within the reflection of holy names of ALLAH where he become servitude to such name(s). Displaying (doing ) that divine attributes to the world to see, this is refer to BAQAUU. May ALLAH give us taste of such spiritual theophanies, which make every other things(mundane) insignificant in our eyes.

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I chopped ban since yesterday lol. The anti spam boot picked me up twice yesterday as I wanted to post, hopefully it wouldn't happen again sha.

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Empiree I know this is subjective to some extent. Also based on the fact you raised about various ideologies Muslims are inclined to today, make is difficult for one 'sect' to ACCEPT the other sect from different ideological divides. But the interesting things is that who to be Mujaddid must able to clearly rise above all these differences, and their writtens or books must be depleted with such DIVINE insight that will lead any sectarian adherents reading it dumbfounded.

I mean any Muslims reading their book should be able to connect well with it. And broadly speaking I will say we have two major divides. Those that are more spiritually savvy and those that congruously attached to the law. I believe a Mujaddid must be able to bridge this gap and show that this is same coin of different side. The spiritual glory of any sort must be from thorough understanding and following the law.

Imam Ghazali(ra) is one of those that succinctly address that issues and many more imams after him. Also the written of Sheikh Abdulqadir Jilani(ra) also bear that imprint. I think this is not unconnected why even strictest scholar like Sheikh Ibn Taimiyyah fondly called him (Jilani) sheihkuna!(my sheikh).

So for me a REFORMER(Mujaddid) should per excellence able to lead the general muslim ummah into more DIVINE lights without any form of sectarian colouration.

Empiree:
they claimed Mujaddid was ibn Abdulwahab

Why is it that other Mujaddid are not been recognised and they hardly make reference to any of them.

At least there should be more than ten Mujaddids, as we're now in the 15 century of Islam. Do you know others been consider for that exalted position before?

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Wow! What an interesting analysis. in addition there was a hadith that speak of Allah rai at the turn of each century MUJAJID to REVIVE the Deen. I hardly see them looking for such Imams except those 4-7 scholars the author mentioned.

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That is their usual style. They first try to weaken your position by declaring your evidence (hadith) as deaf and bring out the one that suit their way. I was reading one book, forgotten its name, where the writter mentioned one hadith but said sheikh Nasirudeen Albani(ra) has declared it to be daef, and quickly add that sheikh Hajar Askalani(ra) had earlier authenticate it as Sahih hadith. I said to myself which way now?

How can one be debunking such hadith which is a spiritual enlightenment Allah bestowed on his loved one's, as explained in details by those earlier scholars you mentioned up there. Had it been he has up scale his IBADAH and that meet divine favour, he would have been BLESSED by such favour on some thing similar, that would have clear his doubt. But they only like arguing without knowing, only displaying their ignoramus by quoting endless hadiths which has NO any iota of effect on their spiritual growth. One hadith is enough to transform one's life if one put it to practice as it ought to be.

Empiree:
Smh for those people. They annoying

Extremely annoying. They started with their USELESS and baseless fatwa like the one were experiencing now on nairaland, takfirr people upadan. Soon they will upgrade their fatwa to killing fellow Muslims simply because of their myopic and idiotic aqeeda.

They never display any HEART melting deeds as exemplified by the best of mankind (saw) and they will be claiming they are "ahlu sunnah". Their ego is playing pranks on them without knowing, but obviously by their action they rather send or scared people away from Islam than attracting people to the fold. And such a model has not been the way of pious predecessors.

Empiree:
walaikum salaam warahmatullah wabarakatuh. Really, aside from abs, it will still be difficult to satisfy women either way. I read where you said husband should build a house, car etc for his first wife before taking another woman. Not all men can do this even if they have the means. You know another concern pops up which is, the issue of trust and faithfulness to her husband. Some prefer to have all his wives live with him under the same roof but large building and they live in their respective apartment.

Anyway, i dont think i have energy for that. I will rather build house for her separately sharp sharp to make my life easy cuzz, me can't deal with jealous women at the same time before they smash bottle for my head

Amin to your dua

Lol @ smash bottle for your head. Truth to be told, is NOT easy for woman to swallow that bitter pill, but like what that sister said, I quite agree with her suggestion, and that will smh calm the incumbent wife's nerve and feel not entirely ostracized by that move by her husband. Anyway May Allah continue to guide us (Amin)

Empiree:
Just learned a little while ago from a video clip that some Alfas charge fees, hefty fees to give sermons at firdau?. Haba, in my opinion, this is nasty. These are the people that give puritan nerve to speak.

I learned this from conjunction lectures by sheikh muyideen Bello and Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa. One of the speakers said when Aisha Abimbola ed away, her family called different Alfas. First Alfa called charged heavily almost half a million to give lecture. They turned him down and called others who also charged fee before given speech until they settled for the least fee of 200k.

Haba, this is what some self proclaimed Alhusunnah people antagonized and of course non-alhsunnal Alfas too condemned this practice. Now they go too far all in the name of money. Common now, this is sad moment for the family of the deceased. Well, they should understand that their niyah was for the money. They have no good deeds recorded for this. They shouldn't have to burden family of the dead. This is period of mourning for them. This is not like ikomo. Parents of newborn are happy to spend. That's normal but janaza, firdaus etc, in my opinion, it is wrong.

I don't know what you think about this but this really hit me hard. This is what my sheikh used to condemn back in the days. That's why he doesn't go out with jammah to do anything. I feel sad learning about this right now. Common now. This is not igbeyawo, ikomo, isile or similar events. Besides, hiring Alfa to give speech at firdaus is not fard. It is people that hire such Alfa that I blame. These are usually middle aged Alfas doing this trash. They need to have side business of their own.

This means getting paid to do this, they have earned their reward here and zero up there.

I am not talking about alfa or people hired to dig qabr. I am not talking about alfa that wash the body. These people have the right to get paid. But to deliver speech like 8 days firdau and charge a fee?. This is aboherent to me. Family need people to comfort them not burden them. When my uncle died in 1994 my sheikh prepared food for them for weeks to alleviate their pains bcus uncle was the breadwinner.

May Allah set right our affairs .

Uhh that's very exasperating. And you know what? I witnessed one, one time like that, though I won't mention the name of that Alfa.it's very disgusting.

After he might have collected the money for attending the lecture, though don't know exact money collected for that. That Alfa completely displayed his avarice and greedy nature that day on the premise that Alfa are doing a lot but nothing to show for it in the community, hence the need to task all and sundry.

He called all the deceased children(more than 10), telling them to come one by one to pay for PRAYER for their dead father, and none should bring any thing less than 5k each. I was extremely furious and can see from many of those children faces that they have been inconveniently coerced to dosed out those money. These are bereaved people that ought to be given or taken care of according to shariah, but alas the reverse is the case.

That is why once I see those Alfa talking much about worldly possession, I stop taking them serious, they ought to set a good example and stop extorting money from people.They suppose to show much zuudu for faint hearted Muslims to emulate.

I wanted to watch that video about Khashogi but the caveat you put make me scared. Any thing horrific always affects me smh. I haven't get over the news of those satanic boko haram imbeciles killing 100 soldiers and their commander Lt Col. Ibrahim Sakaba. May Allah forgive and have mercy on their souls (Amin).

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Empiree:
Indeed, yes. Just that they turn my stomach with the way they talk carelessly with hatred in their heart for fellow muslims. Very annoying.

I know you're the type who can't overlook their outburst without a "fight" lol. Atleast that give alternative opinion, and people reading can make their final decision on their own on many issue being discussed.

I will check the video out.

Empiree:
Salaam, kindly watch the last part of this lecture. It is actually from 10 minutes i believe but just to be sure, you may watch from the last 15 mins. This is Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla. Experience can not be explained as i have always said. This becomes aqeeda issue btw sufis and self proclaimed Ahlusunnah. And they not gonna agree with each other till Qiyamah. Every gotta be in their place and maintain peace in the community. No one should false manhaj on others. What is clear to you may be clouded to me.

But if you want you may watch the entire video. I watched everything live last night. It is Mawlid

May Allah ease our affairs

Where is the video link? I can't find any or did you mean the above video by sheikh Issa on dream?

# That is the point, is like to trying to put an ocean in a bottle, its practically impossible. Most of people of ihasan experiences can only be appreciated if only one partake it in such. I told about a book I read earlier in which I can barely understood any of the messages in it not until several years later after a taste of such.

Imams Ghazali(ra) aptly put rightly when after been consummated in the tassawuf, said don't ask me about my experience but known that am of one blessed one. You can read his treatises titled DELIVERANCE FROM ERROR.

I hardly get into issues with anybody on issues on aqeeda these days, because its always leads to nothing but endless cycle of arguments. Look at what transpired between Hadrat Khidr(ra) and Prophet Musa(as) is a testament that we would NEVER agree on the issue we share no "common" knowledge.

#Ameen

There is NEED to understand the context with which certain words are used, and things should NOT been taking in their face value( I mean literally).

I am not here defending anything, but from my understanding our preconceived notion determine how will react to certain things at time and perhaps clouded our sense of judgment. One general note, a Muslim should always think WELL of his fellow brothers, and always give them a benefit of doubt when occasions demand. Part of ADAB is to always seek more clarification in the matter that's seems ambiguous.

Now, to the argument that ensued due to th at post from fb, it will be erroneous to take most of those words literally, and without also examine the context with which those words are used. Like what empiree said earlier concerning Prophet Ibrahim(as), if we're to take his words literally at face value, then one would be thinking "Kufr" is been committed, which is far from it. Or let assume that is not in the Qur'an but read such similar phrases from fb like the one above, what would have been your response/reaction sincerely bro abdelkabir

The person that would have clarify those statement in the poem is Sheikh Niaase(rahm) himself, and he wouldn't have meant claiming divinity with Allah, far from it. We should think well about other Muslims. A case of Ateeb bn abi Balta comes to mind. He was a devoted sahabi, who took part in the battle of badr and treaty of hudabiyyah. But he divulge the secret of Allah's messenger (saw) to the mushrik of Mecca. So when Holy Prophet(saw) sent hadrat Ali (ra)to retrieve letter, upon receiving it, he gave him the benefit of doubt to explain himself even when the action implied a sort of kufr. When been asked why he took such action, he explained himself but clearly show that is NOT borne out of Kufr or been apostate. The messenger of Allah replied, you have spoken the TRUTH! even when Hadrat Umar(ra) is ready to chopped off his head.

ALLAH said concerning mukammat and mutashabiha verses in the holy Qur'an....typing

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This is very interesting, Jazakhallahu khairan for the effort you and the brother are putting in unraveling the whereabouts of our sheikh lol.

I will try my side research based on the info above, but in addition to that, that your whatsApp brother would make a great 'fbi', so pls these infos to him to aid is search further.

1. Ikupakuti is from OYO state, ibadan
2. He is based in Kano
3. Is between 48-52 yrs old
4. He is Tijaniyah
5. He is very closed to Sheikh Jamiu(ra) children

May Allah keep him safe where ever he is Amin.

@empiree check this response of Muhammed Ali. I so much like it. I don't know if you've watch before?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQsiA8hNEDs

@empiree

Most time I try to imagine how hard is it for you to convince most of these puritans, but then I realized how much Rasulullah(saw) has to endure at the hands of mushrikum about teaching them what they don't know.

I do believe that man will always be an enemy of what they don't know except those who are humble in spirit. I can't imagine Muslims would be arguing blinded about such thing. If they have partake in abundance of such blessings before, they wouldn't be condemning or ridicule "prophehood". Dreams or vision remain such a BLESSINGs that will continue to solidify our Iman.

As a matter of necessity , I had a dreams journal dated back, as far back as 2 decades ago. And am amazed @times when I see dreams of many years coming to realization. You see DIVINE BLESSINGS know no bound, there lots of spiritual experiences one cannot be disclose in the public fora. But the realities is, for those that seek DIVINE 'face', dreams are just one of many ways Allah(swt) commununciate with HIS "choosing" servants. Going into detail of that will only make them more rebellious. In fact dreams being classified as 46th part of prophethood has got me thinking lately from the spiritual experience I've being having for some times now where I would class that. The good part is all references to that experience can be gleaned from Quran and sunnah. It only make you understand more thing or text (hadith) when you read them.

But what I know for sure is that, if they follow the right part, they will surely experience it, for DIVINE grace continue to open so far we ask for it.

Allahu allam

Empiree:
by technical meaning Fadhlullah/RIDWAN-UL-LLA are on the same route but different definitions. But I believe being ridwanullah precedes Fadhlullah.

Obviously not everyone can can reach level of ridwanullah. That's a whole lots of contentment. Aren't you in better position to break this down

You nailed it there. I was thinking you will give us comprehensive article about that subject(Ridwanullah) like you did for others; Kashf, Awliyah etc

mostyg:


Intention means what you want to happen with your recitation or the reason you are doing the recitation. Whenever you are performing ruqyah, you must have have in mind what exactly you want the recitation to acheive. It could be that you want to make it cause harm to the possessing spirits, or to send them out or to push their luggages out (yes they live in human with thier luggages such as sponges, bucket, utensil etc) or to block thier ages. Recitation could also be used to destroy sihr (sorcery, black magic etc). The ruqyah does exactly what it is intended to do.

The reciter must know what he is doing and what he wants to achieve. I dont want to emphasise piety because I can't say that about myself and i still do ruqyah. A raqi should observe all the Islamic etiquettes as much as possible.

As regards jinn possessing a believer, in my own little experience, it is possible. We all make mistakes. Our conscoiusness ( faith, fear of Allah) increases and sometimes decreases.

My advise is that we do ruqyah on ourselves periodically.

Interesting! Thanks for that detailed response.

@bolded that's good to know. Though my initial thought was that, frequent tilawa and some other form of azhkar is enough to prevent jinn from possessing a believer, but ofcourse there is always those moment of spiritual ebb, be it omission or commission that can open up such kind of attack, at least from practical experience you 're sharing with us.

I want to believe now that intention matters alot when reciting ruqyah or daifa against those jinn.

Empiree:
Signs of a Wali (Friend of Allah) Are you one of them? Find Out



The plural of ‘Wali’ is ‘Awliya’. It is an Arabic word meaning friend. Awliya Allah, therefore, means Friends of Allah almighty. To become a friend to Allah isn’t something you just do. Allah honours certain people; some from birth and others due to their deeds. Here are some characteristics of the Awliya.





#1. They love Allah
Every person obviously wants the love of Allah, or should I say needs the love of Allah. But how many of us are willing to love Allah back? The Awliya are people who actually love Allah. Not because HE can punish them or because HE is more powerful than them. They just love him for being Allah. They always want HIM to be pleased with them. The Quran says: “And those who believe are overflowing in their love for Allah” (2:165)




#2. They remind you of Allah
The Hadith reports that that when the Prophet (pbuh) was asked about the characteristics of the Awliya, he declared, “Allah is ed when they are seen.” (Nawawi and Ibn Majah). In order words, their presence alone can make you increase in faith.




#3. They do not grief or fear
The holy Quran says: “No doubt! Verily, the Awliya’ of Allah [i.e. those who believe in the Oneness of Allah and fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which he has forbidden), and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)], no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve, Those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah – Islamic Monotheism), and used to fear Allah much (by abstaining from evil deeds and sins and by doing righteous deeds). For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present world (i.e. righteous dream seen by the person himself or shown to others), and in the Hereafter. No change can there be in the Words of Allah, this is indeed the supreme success.” (Yunus 10:62-64)



#4. They feel fear when they hear the verses of Allah
Allah (SWT) said in the Quran Surah Al Anfal verse 2 to 4: “The believers are only those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts and when His Verses (this Qur’an) are recited unto them, they (i.e. the Verses) increase their Faith; and they put their trust in their Lord (Alone); Who perform As-Salat (prayer) and spend out of that We have provided them. It is they who are the believers in truth. For them are grades of dignity with their Lord, and Forgiveness and a generous provision (Paradise).”


May Allah make us one of them

Aameen

Ameen...that's the goal. Is one of Fadhlullah, May HE bestow it upon us Amin. What would you say about RIDWAN-UL-LLAH? What are the sign of that? Are they the same?

mostyg:


There are lots of other signs such as depression, frequently encountering cobwebs, insomnia etc.
Recitation of the Quran usually makes jinns uncomfortable. This depends on intention and the reciters. I have seen cases where the jinns recites along with the reciter and the recitation had NO obvious result on it. And I have seen cases where continuous repetition of basmallah made the jinn very uncomfortable and begged to be allowed to leave.
Can jinn possess someone very active in his ibaadah? My answer is this, how does someone knows his ibaadah are accepted by Allah? Our ibaadah should be to earn Allah's reward and Allah may decide to test us with anything. May He not test us with burden we cannot bear.
the reason for the revelation of suratul falaq and mass.

Allahu ahlam.

Thanks bro. Can you pls shed more light on what you mean by intention and reciter in that paragraph.

# I believe strongly that Jinn can attack believers that are constant with their IBADAH, but to possess is what am asking which I believe may NOT necessarily easy for them(jinn). As you can see that in case of sababul nuzul of muawidhathain you cited is more of an attack ( a spell cast) rather than possession.

Empiree:

They want you to keep paying small amount every month for 5yrs to establish "good credit". What ignorant people don't understand is that good credit don't out food on their table. But to be debt free is gold.

So you have to have criminal record and be debt ridden to be a good American it is a trick



Hello yourself, sir

That's is very cruel!. So, all this America dream boils now of been in perpetual debt till "eternity". Muslims must NOT be caught in this mess.

The Prophet(saw) warned us critically about debt, to the extent that as loftly as position of mujaheedeen is in the sight of Allah, their debt wouldn't be forgiven whilst other shortcomings would be for them, if they die in the battle field. This shows the gravity of debt. May Allah protect us from it.

I want to believe that more than 50% of Americans dies with one form of debt or the other because of this useless system.

No wonder Robert Kiyoski was saying in one video that there are "good debt". The one in which you invest perhaps in real estate, which will always fetch you not only the monthly payback money but also small change in your pocket lol. You beat then in their own game.

Empiree:
indeed, this is something Nigeria needs intelligent wise as long as it is not abused. It does get abused here in some cases. That's where the problem is but it works fine to curb crimes. Just that actual innocent people get caught up in the process.

Some people can't leave crimes. That's why the guy doesn't want to come to US. Crime is in his blood. That's why average Americans go to jail. There is a saying that you if don't have criminal record you are not real American or your are not American enough. So it surprises some people if you have clean record

LMAO you're very funny sir. How do you know that for sure lol. This is a gentle guy, an IT geek. It just that he has reservation for possible implications for crime you don't even know or really intented doing. Like what you alluded to about their abuses of their spy operations that can implicate innocent people. This is somebody that had his elementary sch in US before moving down.

Why is that if one have not committed crime or debt ridden , you're NOT yet an Americant? That's funny.

I hope is simply playing by the rules, and one is free from any wahala.

Empiree:
LadunaI,

See trait of what I was talking about. I just learned few hours ago that a Nigerian guy was arrested and jailed for selling cars from US to nija. I told this American girl who told me that it is not a crime. There gotta be something he was doing Wrong.

So she said authority wanted to know source of his funds and how he managed to buy expensive cars and send them to nija to sell. But unfortunately he can not prove this. Instead of jailing him after conviction, they gave him two options:


work for them (i:e snitch on the people he was dealing with or be an informant)

Or

Go to jail


So he chose the later and was jailed. He said he's can't snitch on people. See how America works sometimes. This is how they catch drug dealers too. But snitch/informant is deadly job. Your life is on the line and authorities don't care if you die in the process.


They did the same thing to a young white girl few yrs ago. She was caught with high kilograms of illegal drugs and was facing 4yrs in prison. She was crying so bad bcus that was her first time. So police made a deal with her to lead them to bad guys whom she deals with. She was to be police informant without given her proper training. They only gave her device to place on her body. She thought it was easy. The next day after she was assigned the "job", authority found her lifeless body in the bush in Florida. Gangs killed her and took spy device on her.


The best way to avoid getting in this mess is to stay away from crimes. That way, it will be difficult for police or other agencies to force you to be their stooge. But once you committed crimes, even if you are not indicted yet, they can use it against you. They just give you two choices, jail or snitch on others. Now imagine someone going to jail for decades but offered this opportunity to be informant and get paid on top of it?.


Arab guy was in the same situation after 9/11. He spied for govt and built his fortune from that. Some make as much as $100k per yr snitching on others. Our world is not fair at all. So this Nigerian guy, from what I gathered, he committed money laundering in the eyes of the govt. This is why I rejected Mr. A in the story I narrated weeks ago in this thread. Imagine he wanted to buy 100 cars for $100k each and he doesn't want to declare his business officially and wanted to have money transferred into my . Obviously I would have been in trouble.

How I wish our government can be proactive enough to question suspicious wealth, investigate and prosecute if their any infringement. I believe our country we'll be better for it at long run. But alas! in fact, that's what we celebrate here is naija. Nobody cares how you make it, just hammer you becomes instant celeb lol.

it seems these people relied so much on intelligence gathering, invest so much in it because that's what give them edge most time, so am not surprise with all their snitch or covert operations. It seems is very dicey living in the state, any form of crime committed can easily land you into big problem. That's remind me of a colleague we serve together, his siblings are USC but he's here in naija hustling. I was like why can't you move to US, he said " eeh! If I mistakenly some illegal movie or software the next thing is police knocking on my door" lol. He was practically scared of crime over there.

Thank God you're wise enough to reject that business proposition from Mr A then. There this popular Nollywood actress that was deported sometimes along from US (Atlanta), because of money laundering charges. I'm sure you know her. May God continuing protecting una there.

mostyg:


Most of these pastor use powerful jinns on less powerful one. Also there are Christians among the jinns who help some pastors without the latter's knowledge. One Christian jinn during a ruqyah section revealed the effort he makes in converting humans into Christianity. They are the ones who usually bring picture of Christ to people in their dreams.
I also once heard of a pastor who named his jinn Jesus. So whenever he says "in Jesus name" , he his actually referring to his jinn.

Just yesterday, a lady came to my office to ask I didn't include her name in a list I was authorized to work on and released. This is someone I know and I see the efforts she makes to excel. We later got talking and I asked her about how often she has headache. She responded that it is frequent. One of the diagnostic sign of jinn possession is frequent headache.
I asked her about pain in any part of the body, her response was also positive. She said she also sometimes hear sounds in the hear. She said she couldn't her dreams. I probed further and asked about sex in dreams. Response was also positive.
Other signs I found out from her include being afraid of the dark ( she can't sleep with light off), always scared of every little things and feeling something moving in her body.

She thought everything was normal, there is no big deal experiencing all those.
I knew I was dealing with a case of jinn possession. I was in my office and couldn't do ruqyah, so I told her to close her eyes and talk to her mind, to talk as if she is talking to someone ( of course, the jinn). She should ask the following questions, who are you? Why are you troubling my life? What did I do to you? Etc. After some minutes, I told her to open her eyes and asked her to tell me what happened. She told me" I feel empty as if something left my body" She meant she feel light, I knew the jinn left because I also felt a mild electric sock on my body. She also she saw a dark male shape but didn't see the face..
I know the jinn left and may come back to her later because a jinn lover don't leave easily. She would need ruqyah.

Those things I asked her a signs of jinn or human possession but we sometimes take no heed.

Like I said before, I am an accidental raqi with a regular office job. I m not an Alfa as some would have thought.

Thanks bro mostly for this. I'd wanted to ask, but thank God you're dishing out stuffs for us to learn from. Btw from want you mentioned above as per diagnostic technique to know the presence of jinn, is it exhaustive? or they 're other signs that can still show that the jinn had possessed the body? Is recitation of Quranic verses make the jinn uncomfortable and by extension the person that will make them not to want to listen or near it(recitation), which might indicate possibility of presence of jinn in their body due to their exasperation?

I knew that most pastor especially TB Joshua used jinn to get some hidden info about people from Qarin of the person.

Pls tell us what normally trigger this, and can jinn possess somebody very active with their daily salat?

Kindly share more of your experience with these jinns as a raqqi so that we can all benefit from it. I think our ignoramus in this subject has really make thing worse especially among unsuspecting muslims.

Jamo90:



Thanks for your Contribution. You are talking about jinn possession but I'm talking about jinn oppression. This is when the jinn is not inside the human but has caused afflictions from outside and has gone. That is, it has come to destroy and has left.

I know who Ben Halima is. I've read and watched a lot of his videos on YouTube. Are you actively involved in Ruqyah Services? Do you mind sharing some of your experiences here so we can learn more about the topic?

I know Some of these stuffs are esoteric knowledge and one can not come across it easily on here. So one has to make personal research, create time and travel to learn.


@Empiree I live in Lagos for now.

I think bro mostyg has sufficiently answered your question with his reply up there. In fact Jinn possession to me is more tormenting than its oppression. And t h is sentence succinctly deal with the problem you are asking and I quote:

"As regards treatment of ailments associated with sorcery, witchcraft, back magic, jinns, all these could be done through ruqya."

I think couple with ruqya, a normal PRAYER du'a for the relieving one of any stress can be gleaned from Quran and subsequently recited often for the removal of the calamity. The prayer of Prophet Ayub(as) comes to mind in this regard, a clear case of devil's oppression. Also seeking little medical treatment in this case wouldn't be out of place since the jinn is not within the body again.

Above all, I believe, sincerely plea to Allah during our daily namaz and tahajud (especiall during sujud) is enough to remove any form of predicament if we hold to patient, by the victim's or being done for him.

Allah allam

Jamo90:
@Ladunal Please how did you get that book "Imaginary Muslims".

I came across it in our school library during my undergrad in late nineties. Though I made some photocopies but don't know where they are now.

You can try this website if you want pdf format, I haven't get it myself.

http://seabrookfirerescue.com/finesugoh.pdf

Imaginary Muslims by Julian Baldick

Empiree:
Humm, nkan nbe faa. I actually missed some of ikupakuti's "tafsir" on this subject last year. Have to go through this thread again. So Khidr is not essentially human. He was "programmed" by Allah to play the role of teacher of Musa(as), just like Dajjal is a spiritual being "programmed" to appear in human form at his appointed time?. I think thats why Khidr was not subjected to sharia of Musa when he allegedly "killed" a boy. Knowledge of sufism is gold if pursued with ikhlas.




Lol, this is yoruba nonsense version. I dont take them serious. I only focused on spiritual realm aspect.

Don't mind them, they can't do except missing everything together. Traditional religion, Christianity and Islam as if they are "one". Lol

Alhajiemeritus:
I think ruhaniyah might be part of the rijahlu gayb.
some people say khidr is their leader.

Yes, he's considered the leader of rijalu ghayb. And mostly an assembly of men who had transformed themselves in the part of ihsan, thru prayer and jihad nafs.

Empiree:
interesting. . No to be honest. All I know is this is the position of khidr(as). He was not ummah of Sayyidina Musa(as). I think ikupakuti mentioned something about this before. Let's ask albaqir. He talked about something similar to this too.

Yeah, he did talked about it. He mentioned that generally speaking ruhaniya means spiritual, and all being occupying the spiritual space are technically known as ruhaniya. But specifically he said "ruhaniya" as an identity occupies/lives between 2-7 heavens.

He mentioned that hadrat Khidr metamorphosised into "ruhaniya" after engaging in chanting divine names. This seems to me like figurative expression. But Khidr(ra) is an "enigma" who is regarded as king/leader of rijalu ghayb. He is considered a murshid to so many AWLIYAHs guiding them to Allah.

I also believe sheikh Daud Alfa Nla and Sheikh Faruq Onikijipa talked about something like this. If I understood correctly, Rijalu ghayb is where qutub قطب abdal,عبد awtad أوتاد etc meet in spiritual realm?.

Those are people refers to as rijalu ghayb, and Khidr being their leader guiding them, teaching them some ismu azam corresponding to their nature to become "archetype" like himself. Their anecdotes/activities were much more discussed in a book Imaginary Muslims.

In that case you might need to watch a Yoruba movie tried to make sense of this spiritual realm where lateef adedimeji and Ibrahim Chatta played Sheikh and mureed. Sorry, I had to reference movie. It has sense of Islamic spirituality

Actually, I watched that film sometime last year.As much as I like how the they depict spirituality, I don't subscribe to the idea of where a destiny of one person is substituted for another based on some people(pastor) privy to divine knowledge. I think that is explicitly prerogative of Allah, and partly what hadrat Khidr story somehow unravelled; the mystery behind some seemingly inexplicable situations. Altering, modifying or improving positively the "Destiny" of people through DIVINE directive though thru taught provoking actions, not necessarily exchanging someone destiny for another.