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NothingDoMe:
Lmao. Doesn't work like that. Yes, Russia has more but:

4. How many will be a fizzle or variation absolute dud? Meaning how many will fail to explode or basically not explode enough?

Do you want to find out through personal experience? really?

5. How many warheads are packed into one missle?

depends on model
I wrote about Sarmatian above as an example - from 10 to 15 pieces, in Oreshnik - 36 "stones"

Now given the variables above I'd say that, if Israel's 90 nukes have a payload or yield in megatons then it may be possible to wipe out Russia if not intercepted or properly spread out.

Israel? where is it? What is this?
When was the last time you looked at a world map?

To completely glaze Israel within 15 minutes, four salvos from river boats from the Volga are enough. And even ICBMs will not be needed. This is if nuclear weapons are used, and not thermonuclear ones. Two thermonuclear salvoes will be needed

and again. Look at the map. imagine having 90 warheads - not missiles, just warheads.

so? How will you distribute these 90 pieces so as to DESTROY Russia?
Aren't you funny yourself?

but if there remains at least one boat on the river or a ship at sea, at least one carriage at some stop in the taiga, at least one truck on a country road, at least one submarine in the Arctic - in place of Israel there will be a glass surface.

In summary, Putin is just making noise about the nuking any NATO ally. He knows that will also be his end and the end of Russia.

In summary, you simply do not listen to Putin - you listen and hear only yourself

NothingDoMe:
Lmao. Doesn't work like that. Yes, Russia has more but:

3. How many can or will be intercepted?

No way
For example, theoretically, ICBMs can be intercepted - but in practice, to destroy one Sarmat, you will need a couple of hundred interceptor missiles. And NATO air defense cannot intercept hypersonic missiles at all.
and the launch of ICBMs from submarines in the Arctic is almost impossible to even detect

NothingDoMe:
Lmao. Doesn't work like that. Yes, Russia has more but:

2. What is the payload in Kilotons or Megatons of the Warhead?

Well, usually such data is secret, but sometimes data is leaked, for example, American experts believe that one Sarmat missile can carry from 10 to 15 warheads, depending on their power; in the case of 10 warheads, their power is estimated at 750 Kt each. maximum throw weight - estimated at 10 tons


and we can make a lower bound estimate - well, let's do the math.

Russia recently tested Oreshnik. This is a medium-range hypersonic missile (be sure to watch the video)
And keep in mind that the warheads contained no explosives at all. We can say that Russia threw stones at the Rheinmetall-Ukraine company.

The arrival speed of the warhead is 4-5 km/s. Let's take 4.
Let the warhead weigh 200 kg. Kinetic energy is equal to mv^2/2, that is, 200 * 4000 * 4000 / 2 = 1,600,000,000 joules. 1.6 gigajoules, in short.

200 kg of TNT explode with an energy of 200 * 4100,000 = 820,000,000 joules. That is, 200 kg of pure TNT will explode 2 times weaker than a "stone" of the same mass arriving at a speed of 4 km/s. In total, 36 such “stones” arrived in Rheinmetall-Ukraine...interesting, right? It turns out that it is not always necessary to stuff even ordinary explosives into the warhead of a missile.. You can just throw stones..

NothingDoMe:
Lmao. Doesn't work like that. Yes, Russia has more but:

1. Can you fire all at once?

Of course Russia can fire all at once - how do you even imagine the situation?
Do you think that in Russia nuclear weapons stand in a long line before being launched from a single site?
there are silo-based ICBMs, there are ICBMs that are launched from river boats, there are ICBMs that look like an ordinary railway car before launch, there are ICBMs that are launched from trucks... And there are submarines...in the Arctic, under the ice

Do you really think the Russians can't launch it all at once? why can't they do this - are there any reasonable ideas?

The Russians, of course, can do this, but the most important question is - why? For what? for what purpose?
to convince you of something? but you won't have time to realize anything, because if the Russians start a nuclear war, the planet will be torn to pieces before you know that a nuclear war has begun

hello everyone! I decided to look into the foreigners' lounge and what do I see? Everything froze..
So, what do we have for today?
Trump has won, winter begins in the Northern Hemisphere, summer begins in the Southern Hemisphere.. And I'm Russian, my name is Jane.. Maybe we can make this planet rotate again?

Maybe it's time to the principles of the topic - a recreation area for all foreigners on this forum, a place where you can come and have a drink with your brother and sister from another mother, get to know each other, learn about each other's culture and ways of existence?

Thanks to the forum in distant Africa! Otherwise, if I had not come here, I would never have known that here in Russia they began to build shelters from nuclear bombs.

There is a significant difference between Judaism, on the one hand, and Christianity and Islam, on the other.
In Judaism, the ethical norm is the principle of collective responsibility. One has committed a crime, we will kill them all.
In religions that recognize Jesus Christ, there is another ethical principle - to each according to his deeds.

In addition, even in classical Judaism, according to the principle of collective responsibility, only the Lord punishes people for misdeeds. It is believed that this is how disasters are sent - epidemics, famine, earthquakes, etc. You can read about this in the collection of moral and ethical norms of Judaism - in Pirkei Avot, for example.

And the Zionists of Israel have assumed the authority of the Almighty regarding the Palestinians. Some Palestinians have committed crimes, which means that it is possible and necessary to kill all 2.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip, including infants.

Not the whole world s Israel. But the entire press, which is controlled by the Zionists and the Americans, pretends that this is so.
For example, the population of Russia does not just not Israel, people here are extremely, terribly outraged that their former compatriots who speak Russian, having left for Israel, cannibalism and Nazism.
Russian-speaking Jews from Israel come to the forums to the Russians and begin to shame them, because "as you do not understand, in the Gaza Strip it is possible and necessary to kill everyone, because there are animals there, and babies must be killed, because poisoned adults will grow out of them'

Russia is a Christian country. And there are many Muslims living in it. And not only Russian Christians and Muslims are outraged, the claims of the Zionists to the genocide of the Palestinians on the air are very angry with ALL Christians who face Israelis directly, and not just read Western newspapers.
Catholics are terrified. The Armenian Church is terrified. Non-American Protestants are also terrified.
Moreover, there are also anti-Zionist movements among Jews who protest against the nightmares in Gaza - in Jerusalem they came out with Palestinian flags and attacked the police; in the United States there were demonstrations by Jews who consider Zionism to be evil and apostasy from true Judaism.

babajero:


you are the one that have to read, because if you read you would have known that the crusaders were formed to resist the Islamic onslaughts been carried out by Muslim jihadists wanting to create an empire just like the Romans were doing too.

It is you who should sit at the school desk and start studying history again.
the Crusades were primarily campaigns for money.

There were many people in Europe without land and without inheritance. But with a gun. At first, the European feudal lords had fun fighting with each other, but then someone came up with a bright idea to send all the extra ones to the Holy Sepulchre.
The Crusaders plundered Constantinople - is it also because the evil Muslims decided to create an empire?The Crusaders under the slogan Deus Vult killed all Jews on the way to the Holy Land. Also probably because Muslims are evil.


You're probably not a European, so you don't know about the Crusades what they teach in Europe.

obedience4:
Poland is only protecting its local farmers markets
Not to be flooded with cheap Ukrainian wheat, thus putting it's farmer's on the disadvantage.
This won't happen if Russia doesn't stop attacking cargos carrying grains to poor Africa countries from Ukrainian ports

Well most Putin clowns won't read and research but will read the article heading and start writing rubbish

Well come to think of it isn't that why we call them "clowns" , because they usually write shits

did they transport grain from Ukrainian ports to poor African countries?
really?

udemzyudex:


Successful what?

Western media don deceive una sha, madam go and do your research, the offensive had been a big failure.

If you follow this man Patrick Lancaster on YouTube

I don't need to subscribe to any Lancasters on YouTube to know for sure that the Ukrainians have bleeped up the offensive

Ukrainians still cannot overcome even the gray security zone in front of the first line of the "Surovikin defense".
what is shown on the map as "successes" is generally..
let's say that in the area of the village of Rabocino, Ukrainians have been trying for a very long time to occupy the plain between the dominant heights on which Russian artillery stands..
that is, even to get into this terrible trap, Ukrainians put a lot of people and equipment..

udemzyudex:


Successful what?

Western media don deceive una sha, madam go and do your research, the offensive had been a big failure.

If you follow this man Patrick Lancaster on YouTube, you'll also hear from the Russian side, don't just listen to only the information the west feed you.

Ukraine will hurried raise their flag in a territory and claim it is now taken by Ukraine, snap pictures and then remove it and get out.

What his videos, he went to the so called area they claim to have captured and all you see are Russian soldiers, even civilians that are still remaining will tell you nothing like that happen, all they do is shell schools, churches every civilian places instead of fighting the soldiers.

Please be careful who you write to.

I have previously argued that at the current pace of the offensive, it will take Ukrainians 120 years to win back the territories occupied by the Russians
Tiopii did not agree with me and demanded justifications - where did I get it from
I wrote the post in words, and then decided that the best thing about the "successes" of the Ukrainian offensive could be a visual picture.

and why did you give me a lecture on the topic. that I am deceived by Western propaganda on the topic of a successful offensive - I cannot understand

Do you think I don't have eyes, or what?

udemzyudex:


Successful what?

Western media don deceive una sha, madam go and do your research, the offensive had been a big failure.

If you follow this man Patrick Lancaster on YouTube, you'll also hear from the Russian side, don't just listen to only the information the west feed you.

Ukraine will hurried raise their flag in a territory and claim it is now taken by Ukraine, snap pictures and then remove it and get out.

What his videos, he went to the so called area they claim to have captured and all you see are Russian soldiers, even civilians that are still remaining will tell you nothing like that happen, all they do is shell schools, churches every civilian places instead of fighting the soldiers.

you have now arranged friendly fire
Have you noticed that I put the word successful in quotation marks?
Are you Russian? with a poor knowledge of English? If so, then use the translator of Google or Yandex to understand what I wrote

Tiopii:



According to?

for clarity, the result of the "successful" offensive of the Ukrainians at the beginning of August

Tiopii:



According to?

Seymour Hersh writes (PRIGOZHIN’S FOLLY, The Russian ‘revolt’ that wasn’t strengthens Putin’s hand, June 29, 2023):

The current battlefield statistics that were shared with me suggest that the Biden istration’s overall foreign policy may be at risk in Ukraine. They also raise questions about the involvement of the NATO alliance, which has been providing the Ukrainian forces with training and weapons for the current lagging counter-offensive. I learned that in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian army, much of it open land. In contrast, Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. I have been told that in the past ten days Ukrainian forces have not fought their way through the Russian defenses in any significant way. They have recovered only two more square miles of Russian-seized territory. At that pace, one informed official said, waggishly, it would take Zelensky’s military 117 years to rid the country of Russian occupation.

Here on the map you can see the results of ukraine counteroffensive on date August 17, 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/

And here on the date of September 11 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-it-regains-more-territory-east-south-2023-09-11/

Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar said in televised comments that Ukraine had retaken nearly 2 square km (0.77 square mile) of land around the eastern city of Bakhmut, captured by Russia in May after months of fighting.

She later added on the Telegram messaging app that the Ukrainian army had in the past week also recaptured 4.8 square km in the southern Tavria sector.

seunny4lif:
Blinken: Ukraine and the United States will negotiate with Russia

Ukraine is ready to negotiate with the Russian Federation if the Russian side makes such a proposal. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken thinks so. According to him, the United States will Kyiv by ing the negotiations.

“ As for negotiations, it takes two to tango. If Putin shows that interest, then I think the Ukrainians will be the first to negotiate, and we will be right behind them ,” Blinken said in an interview with ABC. According to him, everyone wants a truce between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

The problem is that Zelinsky's government has introduced a ban on negotiating with Russia into the Constitution of Ukraine.
Which, of course, Putin is using with might and main. At all international meetings, all partners who ask a question about negotiations with Ukraine - he makes round innocent eyes: what kind of negotiations? Ukraine has outlawed any negotiations with Russia, so nothing depends on us.

Tiopii:
Obviously you're not following the war, how is Ukraine failing when they are recapturing territories and Russia is on the defense??

at this rate, Ukraine will need 120 years to win back all its territories from Russia

Prigozhin really was in Africa and really said these words - I'm in Africa.. - but it was on the eve of death.
Prigozhin died returning from this trip to Africa.

An interesting appeal to "dear Russia, dear Russian-speaking friends" was published in the Russian Telegram messenger on behalf of the "people of Azavad".:
https:///strana_tuaregov/948

For those who do not have access to the Telegram, I give the text of the appeal (automatic translation from Russian):

_________________________

Dear Russia, dear Russian-speaking friends,

We, the people of Azawad, are sending you an important message. We, the people of Azawad, have historical and legitimate rights in our fight against Mali. We want to emphasize that Russia's intervention in the conflict between Azawad and Mali, which serves the interests of the coups in Bamako, is a serious historical mistake.

We have never attacked Russia, and our just and legitimate demands do not pose a threat to your existence and interests. However, Russia's intervention without a proper understanding of the situation on the part of local residents causes us bewilderment.

We call on you to find out the truth about our historical demands, which have existed since handed over our land into the hands of a criminal government that committed terrible crimes against us. We do not want Russia to become complicit in the continuation of what started.

We also want to remind you that your country, Russia, is part of the mediation group that ed the last agreement between Azawad and Mali in 2015. The supply of weapons to the Malian army for military operations against Azawad is a for war criminals and a violation of the ceasefire and peace agreements.

"Only truth and freedom can win" (Leo Tolstoy)

We hope that you will hear our message and understand our just struggle for the rights and freedom of the people of Azawad.

With respect,
The people of Azawad
______________________

What do you say?
In general, who has any opinions - how would "dear Russia, dear Russians" react to such an appeal if all citizens of the country saw it?
and not just a handful of subscribers of a rather specific channel?

PS. The author of the appeal, by the way, cited a fake quote from Tolstoy: the Russian writer Leo Tolstoy did not say such a thing.

adebayo987:


Still some Coup fans still won't believe until according to them "they see the CCTV footage" ... LMAO 😅😂🤣😂😅😂🤣😆😆😆😆😆🤣😂😅

and if they see the videos from the cameras, they will immediately start yelling about deepfakes.

For some people, Prigozhin will live forever. Like Elvis Presley

Regex:


You have inept knowledge of this war, I had to say it again. On Prigozhin dying, whether Putin ordered it or the Ukraine, that man needed to go as he was very dangerous even to our people, the people of Russia. The MOD and Putin was very smart the way they handled him in Rostov. America thought Russia would respond in their usual manner as a hot head but, Putin applied wisdom and patience.

Я тут про Фому рассказываю, а ты мне лепишь про Ерему, да еще и с пафосом.
Ты из секты мерзавца Пригожина?

creativehubb:

Russia must hands off African politics and society life, and only focuseon technology exchange

Russians, give me money/technology and Bleep off, right?
can I spit a chewed carrot into your mouth instead?

I wonder if the Russians take their hands off, where will the "independent" Africans take up arms to get rid of Western colonialism?.

They'll probably buy it from the French. From the USA. in general, they will buy weapons from those same colonialists in order to fight for their freedom.
Of course, the best option would be to install an impenetrable dome over the whole of Africa and leave Africa to solve all its problems for 200 years.

But since this is impossible, many African countries will never ask your personal opinion about Russia's place in Africa.

Every country has the right to decide its own fate and choose with whom and how to do business and whose political interests to take into

Well, of course you're cool. You speak authoritatively on behalf of the whole of Africa. and do you have the right to do this? Do you have the right to dictate anything to Algeria, Burkina Faso, Egypt or South Africa, eh?

And finally the most interesting thing. Why I think that the catastrophe is the work of Ukrainians.

Ukrainians have a peculiarity. PR is more important to them, loud noise in the information space, in the media, on the Internet, than reality.
They often come up with nonsense themselves, believe in it themselves and begin to act in reality as if their own fantasies are true.

If Prigozhin and Wagner's commanders died in the crash and the cause of the accident was a terrorist attack (a mine on board), then the following is most logical.

Prigozhin owned a very large media empire. And all the time of the special operation, he made himself a very loud ment, something like this: "Wagner knows how to fight, but the Russian regular army does not; only Wagner did everything in Syria, only Wagner achieved success in Africa; Prigozhin is a holy disinterested hero, the whole of Russia loves him, he is a hero-hero-hero and the hope of Russia, he is Putin's chief aide and protects Putin from his enemies - traitor ministers and oligarchs." In that spirit.

Unfortunately, Prigozhin, while advertising himself, unwittingly dug his own grave.

The same thing happened with Dugin. Someone d him very much in the West "Dugin is the main theorist of the Putin regime, the chief philosopher, Putin's adviser" - and the Ukrainians staged several attempts on Dugin and eventually killed his daughter.

Ukrainians staged a terrorist attack against Prigozhin, BELIEVING powerful advertising on the Internet and media around the world.

Counting on that. that a) if the people's hero dies and everyone finds Putin guilty, then a popular revolt, revolution in Russia, "Maidan" will begin, and b) since all Russia's successes in Africa are only because of Wagner/Prigozhin, if you kill the main ones, then Russia will not be able to do anything in Africa and it will be expelled from everywhere in disgrace.

See for yourself what the authoritative Ukrainian telegram channel writes:
_____________________________________

✅ Russia has lost "Plan B". Prigozhin was a scarecrow for the West. Do you how the West banned ALL activism on 24.06, so as not to help the rebels?

They were very afraid of a more radical ruler coming to power in the Russian Federation. Now they have nothing to fear.

The position of the West has clearly strengthened on this issue, but Prigozhin no longer played in Ukraine, but played in Africa.

✅ Russia will lose Africa. All the REAL influence was provided there by the PMCs, not the Foreign Ministry. It is unlikely that someone will be able to make a structure similar in efficiency for the Russian Federation on the continent.

And this is already a geostrategic blow, strongly affecting the global positions of the parties.

Therefore, today's event is not a game of Britons against the United States or GUR against someone, it is a plus for the entire Western Front and a minus for the Russian Federation.
________________

I have a question for those who live in African countries. Is it true that your countries prayed for Prigozhin and Wagner and all cooperation projects between your country and Russia are being implemented only because there is a holy and cool Prigozhin?

it is especially funny to listen to this, ing Algeria, Morocco and the fact that even in the CAR Wagner did not steer at all..

in general, Ukrainians as always.. they wanted to do more harm to Russia, and as a result, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief. And African countries (even with putschists in power) and Russia, too.

After all, after the mutiny, Wagner lost huge funding from Russia - and now it needs to find a job and money somewhere..

who knows what order Prigozhin would actually undertake to fulfill?
at least, his position on Niger was directly opposite to Russia's position.

and who needs "the best fighters in the world" who have a habit of turning their weapons against the customer at a critical moment?

PS. Funny. I found this forum and began to study what people were saying; and also found regional press in English and French and began to look at it regularly. do you know why?

Because in the Russian media after the uprising in Niger, short reports began to appear "look. people on the streets with Russian flags and Wagner emblems."

I didn't like it terribly and I wanted to find out what was really going on and whether Wagner really had such a strong influence in the Sahel region and what the hell was the Russian flag being molded to him, on which he wiped his feet.

I felt an inexpressible relief, reading both in the media articles and here on the forum a very reasonable and balanced attitude towards mercenaries. mercenaries are mercenaries and the fee for ing them can be extremely high.

Ewedegubbler:
Prygozin is not dead...

my FSB friend confirmed it

Then he can't be seen in public for the rest of his life. Since he killed 10 Wagnerians for his own skin. If the Wagnerians find out that he is alive and where he is, his own people will kill him.

First, I want to say a few words about Prigozhin's rebellion.

I do not know who was the first to shout that Prigozhin wanted to overthrow Putin. And why is everyone, including Americans, repeating this nonsense now.

First, Prigozhin himself declared during the mutiny that he and his people were loyal to Putin, they staged a riot of justice against the corrupt Minister of Defense and the bad Russian general staff.

Secondly, after the mutiny a week later, Prigozhin and Wagner's commanders attended Putin's reception in the Kremlin. Where they proved to Putin that they were personally loyal to Putin and ready to become his personal guard.

Thirdly, immediately after the mutiny, Putin addressed the people of Russia TWICE. And both times he declared the instigators of the rebellion traitors to the army, the country and the people.

4. Wagner's commanders are retired military/intelligence officers with a very good career. Many have the highest awards of the state (Hero of Russia, for example). They know our entire power system from the inside. They knew perfectly well that they would not reach Moscow. They knew where they would be waiting on the way to Moscow and where they would be destroyed into dust without endangering civilians. They knew that in Rostov they would not be touched until the last because of the danger to civilians of the city, which they actually took hostage. The column of rebels traveling to Moscow did not take with them so much fuel and so much water/food that it was enough to get to Moscow.

5. I do not know what procedures are adopted in the Nigerian army, and in the Russian army, every unit, every officer knows only that piece of information that relates directly to his duties. Only the leaders of the entire operation know the full picture.


. Many participants of the mutiny learned that they were rebels only from the news or from relatives who went crazy with horror, who began to the soldiers by phone/ Internet.

Therefore, in Rostov, many Wagnerians escaped and surrendered to the military police, and the column moving to Moscow began to melt along the way. Trucks with soldiers suddenly dissolved, turning off the main highway at a convenient moment.

Because many soldiers and junior officers carried out the order "to leave point A to point B" and did not know anything else.

6. well, the most important thing.

What are the real, not imaginary, consequences of the rebellion?

See for yourself.

On the eve of the rebellion, Prigozhin records a video message where he declares that Ukraine did not bomb Donbass for 8 years, did not try to arrange a humanitarian catastrophe in Crimea, it was the evil Russians who attacked Ukraine - he repeated exactly what Zelensky and his henchmen constantly repeat.
A day or two before the mutiny, the Ukrainians launched their pre-announced counteroffensive

Wagner did not overthrow Putin and did not even get to corrupt ministers, but he blocked at least one military airfield so that planes could not make combat sorties to the front to soldiers on the front line; and at that moment Ukrainian troops were advancing on them

And finally, in less than a day, Wagner's group destroyed as many Russian helicopters and planes as Ukrainian troops could not destroy in the previous 2.5 months.
About two dozen people were killed, at least one aircraft serving electronic warfare was shot down and which does not have weapons on board, but has a lot of expensive equipment and very valuable specialists.
And the Wagners could not have been unaware that the plane was not dangerous for them at all (there were no weapons) - they deliberately destroyed it.

And so. understand a simple thing, please.
The whole of Russia (well, except for those who worked in the media empire of Prigozhin) was in shock, horror and great anger because of this.
The mercenaries conducted a raid in the rear of the warring army, hunting Russian pilots.

And Putin, in his address to the people, said this about the Wagners: they stuck a knife in the back of the Russian people in a difficult time. During the war.

Once again: for the citizens of Russia, Prigozhin and those who planned the operation are scoundrels, traitors, the last bastards.
And the fact that the instigators of the rebellion went unpunished caused great discontent among people. Although everyone understood that this was done in order not to arrange a massacre in Rostov, which the mercenaries actually took hostage. It was also necessary to take away heavy weapons from the group without resistance.

When a week later the Ministry of Defense reported HOW MANY and WHAT heavy weapons the Wagners handed back to the Russian army..

everyone was in shock. No one could even imagine how dangerous this gang turned out to be.

Everyone understood that the leaders had to be released in order not to arrange a civil war in the rear of the belligerent army, but everyone was dissatisfied.

And of course, investigations began.. how did it happen that at the state expense (Wagner received money and weapons from the Ministry of Defense + billion-dollar contracts for the supply of food to the active army for Prigozhin's personal holding), such a terrible monster as Wagner appeared. unmanageable in general. and having planes, and tanks, and MLRS, and so on.

Investigations are still pending.


In general, talking about whether Putin ordered Prigozhin, it should be borne in mind - what his rebellion really was and what the citizens of the country think about it.

Oh my God! why did you create people as brainless as fish and chickens?

there are so many pages of comments here, and many of them are repeated: "this is Putin-Putin-Putin," "Putin punished the rebel who tried to overthrow Putin."

Didn't Biden ask Congress for $200 million to fight Wagner in Africa?
Didn't terrorist groups in Syria and the Sahel recently declare war on Wagner and Prigozhin7
Couldn't the Ukrainians take revenge on Prigozhin for the terrible Bakhmut?
Could Prigozhin have framed someone else besides Putin? For example, could Prigozhin, fulfilling a contract in Africa, betray the customer in the same way as he did with the Russian army? Yes.
After the mutiny, Wagner split. Some of Wagner's soldiers left Prigozhin for the Russian army. Those who stayed with Prigozhin began to pour mud and threats on former colleagues.

Could there have been an internal split in the mercenary gang? Yes.

in fact, there are many possible options. including relatives of pilots and other military specialists killed by Prigozhin during the mutiny, could take revenge..

but no, everyone is shouting "putinputinputin".

Do I understand correctly that the generals of the American army who died recently (plane crash, falling into a precipice in the mountains) were killed by Biden?

And Putin has not found a smarter and more reliable way to take revenge on Prigozhin, has he?

We can only talk about an explosive device on board - if the cause of the disaster is not a failure of equipment or entertainment of drunken soldiers on board..

it is impossible to control exactly when the device will work and where the plane will fall.

does anyone really think that Russian President Putin needs PR like "Putin ordered the plane to be blown up, and the plane crashed into a kindergarten, killing fifty children"?

only those who have no idea what Russia is and who Putin is can think this way. maybe. for kings of a two-hectare village, this is normal behavior.
For Putin?
Oh, my God, my God..


P.S. Of all possible options, "who gave the order to destroy Prigozhin with Wagner's commanders," I would personally bet on the Ukrainians. And I have indirect evidence in favor of this option.

aboystar:
Its a lie! The war is far from over

After Stalingrad, the whole world realized that had lost the war. Including the Germans themselves.

But the surrender was signed only two years later, yes.

It took the Russians two more years to clean up the Nazi dirt from their territory and from Europe.

But Ukrainians are not Germans of that time. And Russia does not have a goal to walk with its feet to Berlin.

So everything will end faster.

richeeyo:
You are a fool, even Russia media houses are confirming they are loosing previously captured territories, even yesterday deep inside Russia Ukrain bomb one of its Tu 22
After changing their location deeper it was targeted again.
Moscow is been bomb every nite
Follow the Ukrainian side on telegram
And follow the Russian side
This is the most transparent war in history
Only a fool like you would follow Russian propaganda
Follow Denys Davydov on telegram

>Moscow is been bomb every nite

Are you talking about how the Ukrainians broke the windows in Moscow City again?

Do you know what Moscow City is?
look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NH_c2lLpDSE?feature=share

and what are the results of the "bombing" of Moscow?
two windows were knocked out in one of the towers of Moscow City..

It's okay, the glass industry works great in Russia, new glasses can be inserted every day.


And by the way, I'm embarrassed to ask, is the round-the-clock (day and night) bombing and rocket attacks on the entire territory of Ukraine by the Russians not a sign that Ukraine has lost?

Denys Davydov in telegram - this is probably a Bandera slowpoke, right?

THEGALADIMA:

The writer is still stuck in a cold war mindset that Russia is an important global player.
Russia is an aging, dead and gone empire.

is this your kind of psychotherapy? did the doctor order you to say the mantra "Russia is an aging, dead and gone empire" every morning?
Maybe it's better to take haloperidol after all?

PS. By the way, the article says just that the West is stupid, taking wishful thinking for reality..

richeeyo:

Yee sir

Great. On September 1, I will remind you that it's time to soap the rope

richeeyo:


I can bet my life on it
Bakhmut is retaken, what Wagner wasted 25k men to get

do you have something to shoot yourself with? although a rope with soap will also work.

I accept your bet-your own life. The fact that Ukraine will take Bakhmut before the onset of autumn.

If this does not happen, you will commit suicide, do I understand you correctly?