NewStats: 3,265,223 , 8,186,071 topics. Date: Friday, 13 June 2025 at 11:14 PM 4k23p

frosbel:
Let's assume you have been holding onto a particular TRUTH for so many years, in fact you spent the best part of your youth believing and serving this TRUTH and then one day you found a lie in this TRUTH and the shock was overwhelming and almost paralysed you for a while.

This shock led you into more research of this TRUTH. Then more lies or fabrications were discovered to your horror.

Will you continue to believe in this TRUTH ?


In layman's , can a lie disqualify a TRUTH ?

The VALIDITY and INVALIDITY of the Conclusion matters.

If the Truth is INVALID,then false statement cannot disqualify it.

But if the Truth is VALID,false statement in every hook,stick and sinker will disqualify it.

However,if this truth by flux of experientiallity measures with FALLACY,the validity and invalidity of it is baseless and so is judge by the feat it provides.

chalantmike:
you no see say i no answer am again, his using what i gave him to answer me back, and then ask me the same of the answer i gave him, i say 2+1=3, he said what is 3,then i said 3-1=?,he said 2, i asked again 3-2=?,he said 1,then still coming back to ask me what is 3.
People easily mistaken the print for the real message, the message is what the writer intended and felt while writing, the print is just a representation of the writers intended message.
He understands and gets what am saying he just won stress me na.

To 2 + 2=4,there is no argument because this is a priori.A truth to which the substance of experience can never disrupt.

If you have fielded good answers,it could have lead to a logical conclusion.Rather,you felt it was easy enough to flight up a staircase than run a mile.

You had better end up with this puzzle or have it that you are yet to.

Kid!

chalantmike:
mind over body is simply actually, lemma illustrate with chemistry. Gas=water=solid, the difference between those state is one things, inter-molecular force.
Its how a thought can keep you awake at night, same principle.

There can never be anything of intermolecularity of forces or bonds without the sujectivity of the senses and the objectivity of the natural.Both are coins of Matter precision to substances.

So,by the thought of an idea,you have just ed into the cloak of a material consciousness.

chalantmike:
what is sense?, better yet what is sensation?, how do you know you are alive?

Sensations are by-product of the senses.Sensations are ideas but they are not senses.

I am alive because my senses(being material) gives me the idea (or sensation) that am not dead.

chalantmike:


Read again, i prioritize idea over matter, an idea never dies, it just changes form, a change in form does not an idea is dead, matter is an effect not a cause, cause only an effect can be felt, follow a string of thought or an action, you will arrive at an inconclusive or unknown.
The effect of programming is what we all experience and use, does it mean that the code used in the programming is gone?.

That living thing come to their last breath some days does not mean matter dies.Matter do not die,they are energy themselves and thus are conserve.

You can't programme and idea,if there is any need of programming then materials of sensuality or intentionality or consciousness should be involve.This prioritze still more material substance.

You have no idea of causality if material were mere plains of ideas.By the principle of causality,it ensures an easy transerse of idea to material sense.Without idea-to-senses,you can't have the benefit of another idea.Once again,you prioritize material substances.

You haven't solve the MIND-BODY PROBLEM.

And if you agree ideas don't die,material substance are imperishable except for the perishability of an idea.

chalantmike:
Bro what are you say realist materialize ideas, upon inception is it not am idea, that cause a realist to move?, i say go you go, i say come you come, you as the realist is it not an idea you manifested, a realist without an idea is like an object without program, human without consciousness is called a VEGETABLE, heard the refrence vegetative state. Its science you know.

Yet,you still prioritise material substance.

If you agree humans possesses consciousness,then you have materialise consciousness.The consciousness of possession is in the senses.All senses work on material principle of casaulity.

If your consciousness gets you up to a task,the task you are up to may be another idea but there is noway to be accomplished without the senses.In otherwords,you have materialise idea.Idea is no longer idea,but a material.

Still,you haven't dysmistify the MIND-BODY PROBLEM before you.

Africans love coming behind for all we care.What we shall diasagree shall be accepted many years from now.By then,our white brothers shall have prepare another dough for us to swallow through our tight gullet.That we keep us muzzling everywhere until we accept it for an good years....


And so it goes!

chalantmike:
it is higher.

CHRIST WALKED ON WATER AND ASKED PETER TO COME , PETER WAS CURIOUS AND THRILLED HE JUMP OUT OF THE BOAT, WITHOUT THOUGHT, H3 TOO WALKED ON WATER, UNTIL HE GOT HOLD OF HIMSELF AND LOOKED AROUND HIM, HE BEGAN TO SINK.

AN IDEA IS GREATER THAN A MAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SACRIFIED ON THE ALTER OF AN IDEA?.
DONT YOU KNOW AN IDEA THE BASIC FORM OF MATTER, AN INFECTION THAT CAM OVER TAKE A MAM, LOOK AROUND YOU, EXPLAN THE PHENOMENON OF RELIGIOUS FENATICS ENOUGH TO KILL OTHERS AND TAKE THERE OWN LIFE.

-isnt education, what you pay to study another mans idea, the knowledge of another is what man spend there life assimilating and feeling they can't do without.

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Your explanation only materialises ideas.And thus,show the benefict of intellection if material substance is involve.Giving priority to material substance rather than idea.

This is how realist materialises ideas.

You have not succeeded in telling me the philosophy of the Mind leaving hindside the Body.

chalantmike:
aka MIND OVER MATTER, in other words what you are trying to imply is we all practice a form positive psychology, re affirming by intention.

But lemma ask you on what does that intention act on, please dont say the body cause that will be stupid, if you say the mind, you are definitely right, but mind is a force a form of vibration, question is what is the mind, if humanity is consciousness then the mind is what, matter or conscious force/energy.

Is the Body-Mind philosophy really MIND over MATTER?

Or,you felt that like expressing your mental strength?

Perhaps,you nurse the idea that the substance of idea is higher than that of material?

chalantmike:
ever heard the context everything vibrates?, ever heard of absolute rest, aka absolute zero in science?. Mudra is a channel to the spirit not body, its effects can be physical.

As simple as Kinetict theory of matter is iota of an idea to tell everything is in a relative motion to one another.

Have you come across Body-Mind philosophy?

Keep doing Mudra,keep fooling yourself.How the yoke of Iconography could etched into you your identity is a deception on it own ground.

If you like,i can give 100 mudra all of which you have done one or more during your childhood,none to the need of your blessedness.

Mudra for Health!
Mudra for Knowledge!
Mudra for All fools!

When did budhism has it that mudra is a means to enhance Sense experience?

Kids!

Demigods:


Whats wrong with you na mellin I no like the way you reply person. Give person small respect we not mate I know but no talk to me like 5 year old. Talking about dedication I see money na I no dedicate or you send me money na I no dedicate.

Mtchwww. I thought you will be more of human I didn't ask you a quest I asked for your help cus I am sick I have been .making research since or I they bother you since. Abeg its okay. No cus of this you will be looking down on me.
Bye.

Kid!

Take more mudras and heal your wounds!

ghpsi:
I've been agnostic for the last three years. My partner at the moment is very much pentecostally Christian and has brought up the issue of faith as a question because we're looking to settle down.


I get that love isn't everything, but me and this person have a rather vibrant relationship but differences in faith are screwing things up: I'm not ready to sacrifice my unbelief just yet and she wants a partner with whom she can pray together in the morning & raise godly kids. I don't care much about faith but she's insisting.


My last relationship ended because of differing views on faith. I live down south in a rather conservative environment so it's understandable when them girls tell me they'd ignore love and a romantic connection that's unforced for a so-called "God fearing man". It could be the difference between her family accepting or throwing her out.


So, here's my question: Are there agnostics/atheists here engaged to or married to religious partners? How did you work it out? What problems do you have to deal with on a regular day? How did you win your partner's family acceptance?

Let not the fruit of your learning hinders the path you choose,forth little are the conscience of your learning to your life.

Atheism is a sense of thought,it does not know you.You just know it,it is impractical sometimes.

If the rafts of a basket are weak,it doesn't mean-it can never carry water even when exchange with newer ones.

The society clime on nexus of plumbing sophistry radiating from individuality and circumstantiality.
The modern society is the overgrafting of all sundries of thoughts for the enablement of communal habitation.Moralism is the guiding principle within the concept of principality and thoughts therewith for which no special perculiarity is denounciated.This duty is plain and collinear and unswerving,such as for the purpose of existence the dues of overriding the banes and banner of moralism should be the duty on one and another.

If this is for duty above the conjuring of utility and expense,then moralism should in no amount reckon to any of the vices of theism or atheism or any of such as thinking.For the society shall in the ransome of it loss judge the least of it kind.

xynth:
what's your say on this

You may ask god to ease me of my brain-faculty of all habit-learned or unlearned.



Then,i shall not do these things as well as have no knowledge of such deeds for such as would never be in me any knowledge of myself or His existence.

It is good that i am here to conquer!

horlarwhalhe:
Am finding my salvation and have seen it. THANKS to MELLIN thanks for your information it as really helping me a lot, all the dream am having all this days have see the reason an the meaning just one word, just one word clarify every thing just one word, all the dream is one, thank you mellin.
If religion can save my soul I will dwell in religion as far religion can not save me I have to find my salvation.
Testimony; when I started the mudra of knowledge meditation the thought of immorality that are being my problem all these years have stop I now have authority over it depend on my decision,all my desire begins to diminish,want,ion to get thing,hatred never come across my heart for a half second talk less of desire,I can't channel my anger despite provocation I can't get angry, last 2 month my fiance said is over an I accept it like that she was even waiting for me to get angry with her I did not, a lot of thing happen I can mention despite it all am still remain calm,thank to mellin for mudra of knowledge, I don't want to go further before the babies inside this room begins to quote me

Kid!
If you had channel your energy on something easy doing you would have seen the secret that it is only a busy mind that the flux of lascivousness can't repressed!

Now that you have seen something doing,please continue!

Experience and applications are the purview of knowledge,not mudras!

vooks:

Am not arguing with your religion, am questioning your claims. You claim to throw parties for enki and make intergalactic trips to Nibiru/Mars. How comes you can't do a simple task as reading my IMEI?

How different are you with your mudra,kundalini,hanky panky enki from the rest?

The few things he knows he was deceived by.

Kids have no choice but to absorb into their infant psyche the fair-horned night tales of the super Mario adventure!

As expected,only kids will take upon themselves ideas originally meant for dolls seriously!

As a matter of fact one of them is either for his ion or hell!

Down to town
With slow slither wheels
Fluxing symmetry of tickish rinds
Stoops!
Halt,at gate of late summer.

'Twas a coral,
From benthic upstream
To the grasses of wetted lips
Above the terrains of the Savanna.
Newly brewed,
Ebbed to amulet of a dusty lock
Appears reptilic maze-toothed
In clowned salvage primordy.

Frosbel,
Or the newt wrath on my paw,
Aliens now to wake
On your freezy wake,
Shall the Devil shakes in freedom flakes;
White,though by night
Will remains the fitest of the Dove's tail.

Ganjafama:
What do you think is the true test of who God or Enki is?

The world of phenomenon abide still,this intrusive curtain over humanness has dumbed the senses to know anything beyond its orientation and configuration.

Since we can not attest for anything above the undoing of sensation,by simplicity we cannot
proffer a benevolent test to knowing God or Enki!

Ganjafama:
ofcourse she is a woman.

So it is with God and Enki.That they did not fill up the short-comings during times of trepidation and famines doesn't mean Enki is not Enki,or God is not God.

Ganjafama:
Why would she not brea.stfeed u? The mammary glands were made for that purpose. She did not need to be told to do it. Once she hears the tiny cries of her baby. She instinctively reaches for her bre.ast. Hope u get what am saying?

She had two of her breast clogged over by Puerperal mastitis.She had her choice not to or to,but maintaining this constraint was to see that she was healthy for me and the other children.

Nevertheless,go straight and answer the question.

Will she be known as a woman or not?

Is objectivity a true test to the knowledge of what God or Enki is?

Secondly,do you think Enki will satisfy some need of his followers even when they cry from all eternity?

Will you prefer to know God or Enki by the Mechanism of the senses and sensation or probably by the yoke of nuomena?

Ganjafama:
From whchever way you look at it, we humans worship a god because we are convinced he can protect, provide and enhance our lives, taking the case of our friend Mellin, who got his healing when he turned to Enki. Same thing with Blastfinito who got a job within a week of dumping christianity. What use is there in serving a god that wont even lift a finger to help u, even if you suffer, cry, pray, and fast from now till eternity?

Being discursive! Peradventure,you mean,since my mother didn't breastfeed me during infancy,it means she is not a woman?

moffymichael:


ur statement "....whatever works for u is d truth" is apparently correct...cos someone lyk me, i hav tried oda religion, but i found out dat when ever i step out of my faith, I always get diverse spiritual attacks. i'll always be seeing all these demonic spirits tormentin me but immediately i step back to my faith, all dose spiritual attacks would just disappear. I would see a very bright light radiating from my body and all dose spirits perishing immediately. Dose experiences strengthens my faith in Jesus and dat now made me Believe dat Jesus is d only way.

Apart frm dat, in a village called Ikare Akoko, in Ondo state, there was a live contest btw d xtians and d muslim in d land. An argument board was staged publicly in d town, one of d prominent pastor of d land whch was a pastor of Ebenezer Baptist chch in d land represented d xtian and some mallams and imams represented d muslims. Crowds were present, listening to both parties. In d midst of d argument, a boy playing with an elecric wire dat runs frm a pole got electrocuted, as a result of dat, d crowd togeda with d mallams and imams all ran away leaving only d pastor and d electrocuted boy alone. D pastor, not aware of wot is happening immediately shouted d name of JESUS. And immediately, d boy dat was electrocuted came back to life. D mallams and imams were no where to be found and all praises were given to God. Dis event happened in my clear presence without being told.

My broda, Jesus is alive and He is d way. What He needs from us is just our total submission to Him. Now, if u are following Jesus with d mindset of u getting a job, u wont get d job because ur faith is not yet whole, ur faith is still conditional and attached to sth. But if u're following Jesus with d mindset of unconditional love for Him, den all your heart desire would be granted to u, dats why Jesus said: "seek ye first d kingdom and His righteousness and every oda tings shall be added unto u". I rest my case with dis....

''Whatever works for you is the Truth''

This statement presupposes farther lateralliness of truth.Inshort,it is a primary hindsight to premises exclusive to truth.In otherwords,it decimates truth to repugnant values of numerical flux.

It place truth to only what works and estrange it from the essence of what truth is.One good thing about this school of though-pragmatism-is that,it closes you to what exist and forestalls the intentionality of substances that works though yet verifiable and validated.

This school of thought finds it a disease to scrutinize the mind on finding values to logarithm of a negative integer but felt,it is good enough to work with values to which values,countable,verifiable and working in their working sense and humour.

Ganjafama:
You were born a christian and as such you believe dat christianity is the truth. If you were born a muslim you would also think that islam is the truth. Look bro, nobody knows the truth. Whatever works for you is the truth. Satanism is working for our friend Mellin. So to him, satanism is the truth. I been praying to God for a job for many years now, yet nothing. If peradventure I give Enki a try and I get the job do you think I'll abandon him. Hell no!

If you base truth on values readable on pragmatic relativism,would it be invaluable to judge God or Enki on only what works?

Using an abstract from what you wrote:
''Whatever works for you is the truth''

Now,Since my mother didn't breastfed me during my childhood,does this mean my mother is not a woman?

vooks:

They are not proving to me but to the whole world of their new powers if at all. I know my IMEI, I blacked it out negro....can't you think through that?

Vooks let alone that bairn.

Soon enough he shall keep revolving around opening chakra this and chakra that as well as the third eye!

Much as i know,they won't know above what ChalantMike and Melin had outspoken during their fuss the previous time.

Little children!

The first thing they understand is Occult about the Occultic science is INITIATION!

The reigning neologism of Chakra,third eye and Enki is only what they know and what they see and understand!

Childhood fantasy!

Childhood fantasy!

Almost,inshort everyone soon introduced into melin's school of Enki systematicism in hurry wants their chakras opened!

Is this how you all want to start your endless trip?

chalantmike:
dont you see that you posses a special kind of ignorance, well hiden under pride, keep expanciating the little knowledge you have.
Did i men i mention i havnt met your god under different names, book of moses and grimories can only be used by a true pratitionary, a master not a novice, they won't even answer you.
STOP SHOTING BLANKS BOY, HOPING TO KILL SOMETHING, YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS LIMITED, HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE THREAD I ONLY WISH TO CORRECT THAT YOUR ILL INFORMED NOTION, THAT CAN PUT PEOPLE IN TROUBLE., that arrogance you use to defend yourself, you not a good representatives of ur so called Enki, who goes my many name, which am very sure you dont even know, the name of power i used for my exam came from one of his 50 names relating to the TIAMAT.
I dont even want to fill the loophole in your knowledge, i just dont want your arrogance to put people in worst predicaments in the long, WE ARE IN THE ERA OF TRUTH AND LIGHT, THE AWAKEN. but still NO ONE WITH REAL KNOWLEDGE AND POWER GOES ABOUT ANNOUNCING IT, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND IT IS SECRET, ITS MYSTERIOUS.
WISDOM IS THE FEAR TO MISAPPLY KNOWLEDGE, THAT IS ONE THING YOU DONT HAVE.

I have written in poetry,in philosophy and in African proverb but that dude is just such dummy hedonic to die piked!

The worse is that little bairns,children of poor insight can't read in between the lines!

You will not know how deep the ocean is until you choose to risen up and out its depth!


Little children,your SELF is an identity you will endlessly strive to know.Let not your ends be your fantasy,the search to the SELF is at a wholesome price.

The law of Nature is,''There is nothing in itself that knows itself''

This is A priori,not an A posteriori!

So,any knowledge from an external agent of you is just an idea of you.