NewStats: 3,260,839 , 8,172,757 topics. Date: Tuesday, 27 May 2025 at 07:37 PM 6u5y5

jedisco:


Hehe... I think I get where you're anchoring your point from but my issue with most of these discussions has been the mentality. If a man thinks he can't do well because he's somewhat inferior, then the issue is not with his capability but his psyche. I'm not in the habit of comparison but I find the first paragraph depressing -reason why I keep saying travelling is education. You'd benefit from exploring more nations. But let me ask, why do you think the comparison is unbalanced?

You make a point about staying back for the port which holds some water. No need beating around the bush. I'd give you personal examples.

1. One of my friends in the UK was a vet. Was sponsored for work here. He got a research role in Quebec (a French speaking part of Canada) and he doesn’t speak French by the way. He left after 18 months in the UK. Last time we spoke- no complaints.

2. A few years back when I completed my training in the UK, it took me at least 3 weeks of consulting and deliberating to decide on staying back for the extra 2yrs it'd take to get the port. Main reason was that I now had family here and was developing a sentimental attachment. The funny thing is that most people I asked in Canada told me to forget about the port and come over, those on this side said wait for it. I know at least 3 colleagues who did not think staying back for the port was worth it and some left on a visa and visited soon after to sell their houses. Afterall, you only need one strong port they said. None has regretted that decision. I can absolutely guarantee that if it was a 10yr wait, I would have left without a second thought.

3. Most nigerian care workers are degree holders. I have even met a lecturer who works as a carer. Are you telling me that if they are offered professional or better paying role in other countries they should all let the opportunity because they are waiting for a port?

The bottomline is that these are highly individualised and people are able to make calculated decisions. Being abroad helps widen peoples scope and avails folks wider opportunities.

I guess the way i wrote previously, may have paint my expression in a wrong way.
Nevertheless you have spoken.

You see when it come to immigration i have come to realise nothing really fit it all for everyone.
There's always one sacrifice to be made depending on your appetite for a better quality of life and living standard.
For example those with many kids, a family and house may find it more challenging having to change country once again compared to singles who maybe better at adapting to the huddles of changing to a new country.

Like i have said before, nothing really cuts it all for everyone.
What ever pathway anyone chooses let's be sure it leads to pr or citizenship rather than uncertainty.

Goke7:


😂 What are you saying? A Nigerian with his green port working in the Uk on a skilled worker visa with his Uk experience now get a job offer in the US or Australia which qualifies him for an h1b or work visa, you think will earn less than a Brit doing same job in those countries? haba, again where is this coming from?

Lol, it seems you misunderstood me.
I don't mean that a Nigerian can't compete with a brit while working abroad, or that the Nigerian will be paid less than the brit.
In fact to think of such would be inferiority complex and self inflicted racism.
The British port gives visa free access to 152 countries thats a soft landing for an average a brit. Making traveling, exploration and even migrating easier for them.
Compare that to the average Nigerian with a skilled worker visa and a green port. having that green port alone has put you automatically at a disadvantage, as you have many stringent conditions and requirements to fulfill before getting visit visa to such countries. The case is far worse for those back home living on minimum wage with the green port, your chances of getting a US or Canadian visit visa is low.

Or is it the popular YouTuber? "Tayo Aina", Who wanted to visit many countries, explore and grow his career? But guess what? Like i said previously, the green port put him at auto-disadvantage where he got several visa rejections forcing him to acquire a second port for $150k.
So having a skilled worker visa isn't a guarantee of being out of the woods yet.
Let me give you one last example how an average Brit maybe able to migrate easily to another first world country than an average Nigerian.

I have a friend in Nigeria, his a nurse who wanted to migrate to Canada he started his Canadian licensing process from Nigeria and got to the stage where he needed to travel to Canada and set for his licensing exam. He even got an offer with a company in Canada willing to sponsor his work permit to Canada but he needed to get the Canadian licence before the company could proceed filing.
Bro applied for a Canadian visit visa submitted all necessary documents and evidence of invitation to write the exam. Behold, he was rejected swiftly citing homes ties , Lol the usual smoke screen from the Canadian embassy.
This is someone with extensive experience working with a state government hospital facility.
Now let's compare that to a British nurse working with the Nhs and wants to migrate to Canada.
Infact he/she wouldn't even need to apply for a visa to visit Canada and write such exam. Because the British port gives free access to Canada for visit without needing a visa.

So when it come to traveling, exploring and migrating to a new country those with a first world port are already one step ahead.
No more unnecessary talk.
I'm done explaining.

erico2k2:

Then you do not need to leave Nigeria if that's all what you want as no poor person can leave Nigeria, You got to be rich to leave Nigeria. That narrative you gave was true some years ago, not now. You deny your kids the chance of holding a foreign port. Those port are priceless.

I have said it before that it's better to get the port before talking about leaving the country for uncertainty because of immigration change, except the new country offers pr on arrival.
But don't forget, everybody's opinion differ.
Some people may not care about the port as far they can make investments back home for themselves they're fine.

Lol, yes some nigerians spent alot coming to the Uk.
Especially those that came on student visas without dependent from 2022 till now.
But i can tell you many that came 2020-2022 with dependents spent a fraction of what people have to spending today to come to the Uk.
Many came here with dependent that worked and paid all their tuition.
Today you can't do any of these anymore, all these route have been closed.
i know someone who didn't spend more than 3m relocating to the Uk in 2023 via the care route.
So if such a person get investments back home and manage to save enough. You think they can't come back because you assume everyone who relocated to the UK spent close to 50m doing so??

jedisco:



True @the bolded. Change is constant and opportunities come and go. I've seen the Saudi Arabia comparison made here. That said, I wouldn't call all migration a journey of uncertainty- more of a calculated risk/experience.

It doesn't even have to be on a PR. Many Brits relocate to America on a visa. I know a friend who left for Australia within the last month. Chap was earning 6 figures, had only just got his citizenship and is married with teenage kids. Ticha here mentions how she revels her experience living and working in NZ as a teacher even with teenage kids and she hopes to travel more once her kids are out of the house.

We are sensible enough to make good decisions for ourselves. The world is meant to be explored.

All thing being equal, If I was earning 50k and got an offer to earn 50% more in another country with good perks even on a work visa, I'd give it good thought. There are loads of Brits in UAE despite they not having permanent residency status. Over 40% of Canadians are of British heritage. When I interact with some white folks abroad, I'm manytimes impressed by how far they've travelled- to them, travelling is a right not a privilege.

You haven spoken well.
But as Nigerian you really can't be comparing yourself with a brit working as an expatriate in those countries earning more than he/she would ordinary make in Britain.
The comparison is unbalanced.
Reason being the brit is born with a first world port that alone has many Benefits beyond the reach of an average Nigerian with a green port .

But when you get your port, of course you can travel relocate to anywhere you desire and become the Brit that working far from home earning higher.

Goke7:

You're asking if it worth the struggle so folks should sit down in the uk and become overstayers or go back to naija ba? Many of the carers in the uk have so much professional experience back home that can leveraged on to get into the US legally. I wonder where this idea that so many Nigerians are never qualified always come from. I a funny argument a while back on this forum where someone alluded that so many Nigerians who came into the uk will never qualify for the Canada express entry system but am sure that has been busted now with so many who have since crossed into Canada from the uk

You say the US is toxic, is the uk not toxic enough with all these disrespect for migrants or you think it's all about guns? phew.

I'm actually referring specifically to those on a skilled worker visa waiting to get ILR that are contemplating the idea of moving to a new country because of the new rules.

Like i told someone recently, I'm not saying everyone affected should pack their bags and return to Nigeria.
Neither I'm i saying they shouldn't go to another country.
Instead i said people wanting to go to the US should know the policies in the US ain't even better except you're sure of landing with pr straight.

And for other countries, like i said before Immigration policies are beginning to undergo spontaneous change, as polical climate and public interest in immigration is increasing.
Those planning to leave should make proper plans so as not to get caught in the cross fire.

erico2k2:

You are likely fail if you do decide to return to Nigeria without a British port, n that is open to debate, but what's the point?Why would you want to return to Nigeria and start applying for visa to places like US and Canada

You will suprised that some nigerians don't care about that. As far they're able to gather enough savings with viable investments back home, They gladly come back.

jedisco:


You make certain points with the rising right wing narrative. However, I've always found it quite troubling that whenever changes that'd disproportionately affect us are put forward, some would look to excuse it by looking for the worst elsewhere. The other day it was using Saudi Arabia as an example. It's like telling someone suffering abuse not to complain cos others may have it worse. Is that not the mentality that has left some parts of Nigeria in a sorry state?

What you have is a mash-up of what you cherrypicked as the worst of several nations including random media debate. What about the areas where those nations perform better than the UK? Or is it a competition for the worst?

If today, visa fees were raised to 10k, ILR to 20yrs and we're excluded from buying our homes, would you still say afterall, 'Saudi Arabia does abc'?

With migration, people take opportunities where they see fit. Travelling is education. Always worth ing that when it comes to migrating, we as a group have hardly moved.

All I'm saying is that immigration policies are changing around the world in a sweeping manner. For those countries still with friendly policies it's a matter of time before nationalist politicians rise up to change the narrative, as time has shown in the past. It may get better or worse in the future, no one knows. So it's better to make plans on what you have at hand than embark on a new journey of uncertainty in order to escape one country to another. Except you're sure of arriving there on a pr.
Well, i haven't compared with Saudi Arabia before.
Besides I don't see why anyone would use Saudi Arabia as a reference point. A country where you're banned from pr, citizenship and even marrying their women.
Personally i rather return to Nigeria than relocate to Saudi Arabia.

Goke7:


You can self petition with either eb1 or eb2 and still get your green card. Unlike the uk the h1b, L1 and O1 visas are all dual intent visas and from 3 months on those visas you can start petitioning for your green card and that’s still holds and is not changing in-spite of the orange man antics. It’s that straightforward, No uncertainty and no drama. And once you’re on h1b and have a green card approval despite the long waiting times, you remain valid in the country even if it’s for 20 years till your green card is ready, again no drama and uncertainty. The huge difficulty is in getting those dual intent visas.

True, but it all does it worth the struggle? especially in a toxic place like the US with gun violence and expensive healthcare.
How many immigrants in the UK now are ready to spend another 15-20yrs fighting for citizenship in the US? I doubt many? Certainly not these ones that are already complaining about ILR being shited to 10yrs.
I myself, if I'm in same situation wouldn't go that path.
Besides many of the immigrants in the UK that want to leave UK cant qualify for EB-1 even the less stringent EB-2? I Doubt even up to 3% do.
Even the UK has something similar Global talent visa which still leads to ILR in 5yrs.
But of cause many ain't applying for it because like i said earlier they don't meet the requirements.
It's the same reason why doctors, nurses and IT professionals were exempt from the new ILR rule, because the UK know they are well sought after in many other countries. So instead they go after the low hanging fruit, careworkers.
One of the requirements in EB-2 is to show evidence that your job or professional carrier qualify for national interest waiver? Many working in care don't meet this one criteria alone. In fact many don't meet majority of the criteria as careworker isn't considered a professional job.

erico2k2:

Returning back is not easy, it takes time and planning, it might take some up to 20 years to finalize that plan cos once you attain these high standard of living in the west, its way more expensive in Nigeria to replicate such levels. Also so me people have lost with those the left back home and might fail to accommodate the new reality which more often is harsh.as for me, I see myself as working in the UK and Living in Nigeria

That's very true.
I'm not saying people should start packing their bags and go back to Nigeria.
It's just that there's a significant pool of Nigerians in the UK that don't even wanna hear or entertain the idea of even a visit back home talkless of possible relocation.
Because the truth is, until you get your British port. Don't be too far from home (last resort) because this people can switch immigration policy like change-over.

Jamesclooney:


Top tier comment!

I laugh when I see comments on X or IG saying Nigerians should consider other European countries with “free” tuition etc. Asides language barrier, economic opportunities are scarce.
Last last, we all have to return home to Naija, one way or the other. No visa required.

Even if you consider going to another country.
It's takes alot of financial and mental commitment to begin migration to a new country over again.

And what if the country change their immigration rules and you become caught in the cross fire? You start looking for another country to migrate to again?
Nigeria is still a safe heaven for many abroad even though the country is far from better.
Imagine there's a war between the UK and Russia?
You won't even have to beg Nigerians to return back to naija . They will gladly self deport .

Santa2:


Based on current trend it seems like Farage might be the next PM, as a smart politician that he is, he is already painting Starmer as flopper referencing his initial stand on immigration in 2020 as reference, except some miracle happens like how Trump gave the Liberals a new lease of life in Canada. While I detest all that reforms stands for, I would like for them to get into power as I believe they would flop and flonder. If the current whitepaper is implemented I believe the legal migration numbers would go down and at that point they (reform) would have to look for ways to attract people in to do the work citizens wouldn't do, that oxymoron would make for a good laugh. Most skilled people are already looking at Japa 2.0/3.0 even if it just for the sake of giving them middle finger . Its really annoying when you already 3 years in on skilled work visa, with 2 years to ILR in view then you realize the goal post might soon be shifted. No be their fault sha na Naija leaders cause am. Anyways for those looking at options, You might want to look into EB2 - NIW which gives US green card without need for Job offer, The requirement is not stringent as EB-1A only that it has longer waiting times than EB 1. Of the 6 criteria for EB2, you need to show at least 3 of the criteria. Make God help all of us. God no go shame us for this Oga Charlie Land.

Lol, most other countries are already preparing or begining to reconsider the idea of tightening their immigration polices following trump and the recent UK immigration policy change.
For example Canada's newly appointed immigration minister has proposed to cut annual immigration by 33% till 2027.
The United state is a no go area for many. For example unlike the uk where a skilled worker is entitled to ILR in 5yrs or 10yrs.
In the US if you like spend 20yrs on H1b is doesn't lead to green card or Permanent resident.
Except an employer file for you, which is reserved for highly skilled professionals like nurses, doctors and IT professionals. Even with employment based EB-3 petition there's an annual cap of 140k green card and waiting time takes around 2-4yrs and 2-3yrs by marriage.
Unlike the UK were 1yr after ILR you can apply for your British port. In the US you can only apply for an American port after 5yrs on green card.
The only good thing about a US work visa is that your kids born in the US get automatic citizenship which UK doesn't offer.
However the new orange man in the white house is working relentlessly to stop this.

Also, just recently the Australia media is beginning to put pressure on the reelected pro-immigration labour government to imitate the UK recent immigration policy change.
They even go as far as referencing Nigel farage na that one dey shock me, imagine farage name constantly being cited in the Australia media as a true patriotic nationalist that could force stammer to do the needful before the Uk become an island of strangers .
Spontaneously the labour government there might take a script from stammer's playbook. After all being liberal doesn't stop you from throwing in some right-wing cookies if it's just to please the public. Because for politicians whether right wing or left, public sentiment is supreme if you wanna stay long on that seat.

So last last jumping from one country to another may not cut it for some people especially those who have invested alot in the UK already.
The best thing like someone has suggested before, is to consider investment in Nigeria and nurse the idea of a possible return back home in the future.

[quote author=jedisco post=135389368]@dannytoe

I agree- the recent change seems to be a knee-jerk one. History has taught us they tend to have lots of unintended consequences.
Asides my worry for those that'd be affected, I'm not losing sleep over it.[/quote
Not losing sleep. Lol

Peerielass:


I agree but I think you’ve posted in the wrong thread.

Thank you, i just realised.

Instead of reforming tax distribution, improving social care policies and stopping illegals arriving on small boats and restricting graduate visas to graduates from STEM courses like it's done in the USA.
Far worse; Labour is now trying in a haste to compete with reforms hardline and far right immigration policies like proposing 10yrs ILR route for all currently on skilled worker visa , however, on a desperate measure painfully.

Now - despite the fact that we have a major shortage of care workers, Labour is now going to ban the recruitment of overseas careworkers who are willing and want to do this work. I'm not sure what Labour is aiming for here, It seems they are intent on losing the next election. I can't imagine too many pensioners voting for Labour and pensioners can well determine the outcome of a general election in the UK.

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jedisco:


Spaces in the care sector are already opening though there is still relative glut.

Agencies that used to offer escalated rates plus mileage/transport but stopped when alot of entrants arrived are now beginning to improve pay as shifts are gradually becoming more difficult to fill.

That's good news for folks already here.
Net migration has already dropped by 20% in 2024 to728k, thanks to the visa restrictions and dependant crackdown introduced by the previous conservative government.
With the new hardline rules about to be introduced by labour soon, i expect net migration to further drop down in 2025 and 2026 to near record levels.

Despite these, i still believe it may take additional 1 to 3yrs for vacancy rate to return to pre-covid levels (Excluding any possible economic slowdown).

While the government plans further cuts to net migration. The social care sector is already feeling the heat.

Meanwhile due to previous history of visa abuse, some foreign Nationals are about to get banned from getting a visa to come to the Uk .

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presido997:


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I'm also going for September 2025 intake, got an offer recently.
Let's connect

Kingin007:
Hy, everyone this is quite urgent. I have a newly graduate friend that studied medlab sc. and she wants to go for her masters in the uk without doing her 1 year internship placement. Is that going to be possible?

She needs to do her internship placement in Nigeria before traveling.
Especially if she wants to get license to practice in the UK by HC.
HC will ask for proof of professional work experience or internship training in her home country before she can be eligible to get license.
Same rule applies to Many other regulatory bodies of others countries.

please guys, I ordered for an item from AliExpress. the item has arrived Nigeria. but tracking shows delivery failed.
what does it mean??

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University of Hull, but they only accept september intake 2023.
author=Qwerty7654 post=114076477]Hello guys!

Please my sister is trying to apply for a masters in BIOMEDICAL SCIENCE in a UK school for January intake.

Her budget for tuition is £12,000

Can anyone suggest schools she can apply to that offers the course for that amount for January intake?

I’ll appreciate any response.
Thanks[/quote]

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Dot @ $26
Bnb @ 465

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Binance calls alone pls
Good morning

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Sol.
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all the above have good recovery rate.
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dotunibrahim7:
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Enyinne:
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Crazeworld:
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Jainine:


I'm tried not to be confrontational earlier but this doesn't make sense at all.

I can see why he said you are ignorant

You try to categorise sex between two consenting adult, same with sex with animals... Yo Dude! Don't be like that.

Do you even know what consent in sex is?

Sex with aninal, under age kid and sex with the dead are all labelled as abuse because, these categories are not fit to give consent.

Look, say it stands against your beliefs and that will be fine.

It doesn't change anything,
Have made my opinion.

Kaycee7:
I'm displaying ignorance? The irony reach to laugh.

Sex with animals should be next.
Those who don't like it are ignorant,
After all, the world is developing and advancing.
Learn to live with it