NewStats: 3,261,381 , 8,173,850 topics. Date: Thursday, 29 May 2025 at 05:35 AM 6c693i

lhordspy:


Lol. NATO countries are bunch of spineless jokers. Believe the articles 4 and 5 at your own peril.

When rocket strayed into Poland few months ago. And rumours started going round it was Russia's missile. They all cowered like little fear babies.

They were making excuses here and there. None of them could even summon the courage to even talk about war with Russia. They were all looking for something else to blame for the attack until it was discovered the missile strayed from Ukrainian launcher.

What a relieve it was for them back then. Bunch of scared little noisemakers.

You forgot to mention where the stray rocket originated from

Congratulations. May your home be blessed

Nothing unusual. Past presidents have equally not had it easy with the ratings

NwaAmaikpe:




Let's put this into perspective.

A Governor left the Government House (that is even a rented building) in Umuahia, entered his car, invited the press and drove with over 17 cars in his convoy down to Aba to commission a fvcking T-junction?

Who in the world cares about a T-junction, except people who want to drop off sacrifices?

We've seen that Edo no be Lagos but the Kerosene man should know Abia no be Edo.
Pay pensioners their salaries, salvage the near-alienation of Itumbuzo, Ihechiowa and Ututu due to bad roads, channel some of those security votes to Ovim, Ihube and Lokpanta.

That means more than a fvcking flyover.

Too bad that when you've left office in 2023 your only legacy will be disgruntled workers and the new commencement time for environmental sanitation on Saturdays just to accommodate your Sabbath folks.

He didn't just commission a T junction, the road leading inwards is about 3km and it is his istration that constructed it or is constructing(I am not sure if it's completed)

BKayy:
That lecturer that is repeatedly talking about Chidimma's beauty should be arrested as well.

Only God knows how many times he has jerked off with her picture in mind.

BTW, the DPO of that Police station should be investigated because from the way all of them are focused on that girls beauty, her hole region doesn't look safe in their care

So sorry for you bro

ba7man:
Online buying and selling doesn't start and end on Twitter....... same with Freedom of speech.

Facebook, Instagram etc are still available.

I don't think you understand how social Media works.
Building business credibility on any social media platform takes months If not years. It's wrong to debase someones means of income so carelessly

sagenaija:

Any video or literature on the matter that you can oblige us with?

I just wanted to inform you that I watched a Communion service on Emmanuel TV.

NobleRace:


Except you're an hypocrite, the Holy Spirit doesn't use unsaved people. If you're not sure of the conversion of a known spiritist, you dare not make a defense of him.

Your words above, saying "Only a Prophet can validate another prophet" shows how ignorant you are. So, which Prophet helped you validate TB Joshua before you made him your Lord and savior?

Or do you mean, the Holy Spirit will use:

1. Someone who's not saved?
2. Someone can start doing the work of God without the call of God?
3. Anyone who prophesys and performs miracles is validated to be a minister of the gospel?

You better get sincere with yourself, and stop this hypocrisy.

Really? So tb Joshua is unsaved. By what authority did you determine that?

Ken4Christ:


I am a minister and I don't do so. I have not reached prominent level yet but I will get there. There are many genuine servants of God. It is the usual attitude of Jehovah Witness adherents to condemn the true way.

'You have not reached but you will get there'

My brother, God chooses as He wills. If you like study bible for one million years. Only God can grant his Spirit for works of righteousness. From your posts above, I can see what bible school is doing to this generation of ministers

sagenaija:

Aren't you surprised that no one from SCOAN has contributed to this discussion on this thread? I am.

It's equally interesting that all the inputs in Nairaland on issues are about the externals. Nothing about core spiritual issues. How come?

The major purpose of the giving of the leadership spiritual gifts to the church is to raise matured believers. Ephesians tells us that - "...... to FULLY equip and perfect the saints for works of service, to build up the body of Christ...." (4:12).
I dare say that 99% of pastors in Nigeria fail in this respect. They want to be 'up there' and the 'down there'. That is why many on Nairaland will be asking questions that a new convert of a few days follow up would have known and be convinced of.

Now, back to our matter:
Recall that Apostle Paul's initial spiritual development was not within the circle of the original apostles. Yet he received teaching on the Lord's Supper. It's our high point of worship. In these days and age where access to information is literally at our fingertips anyone who comes to know the Lord and who may even be unable to read can watch videos or listen to audio and gain knowledge. So, the fact that a man did not grow under a structured church system or a physical mentor does not mean that he cannot be exposed to information on core doctrines of the Scripture. Paul's own experience is there for us to see.

It is usually said that the last words of a dying man are not about flippant issues but serious and important things. Jesus Christ instituted the Holy Communion at the tail end of his time on earth. That should tell us something. He literally changed the old order. The over was to be replaced by the new because a new order was to begin. Could any tribe of Israel have chosen not to continue in the over? Will they not then be denying their deliverance?

The early church was said to be devoted to: the teachings of the apostles, and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. These are basics. Are we to say that today's church has outgrown these or can disregard any of them?

No matter how attractive a person is or how self-effacing he may be, the true TEST of spirituality is the doctrinal issues and how far they line up with the word of God. Using any other way of evaluation can lead into error and being deceived.

I think I have witnessed one communion service on Emmanuel TV. 2008 or 2009. Hear a quote from the service ' There's no proper Communion without communication with God'
I can't really tell why it wasn't frequent. All i can say is that his ministry is purely a Holy ghost ministry. Very unconventional.

BassReeves:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
'13For these are false Apostles and treacherous workers and they liken themselves to the Apostles of The Messiah.
14And not to wonder at this, for if he who is Satan resembles an Angel of light,
15It is not a great matter if also his Ministers imitate Ministers of righteousness, those whose end will be like their works.'

You ever heard the expression:
If a dragon looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and so acts like a duck, it is a dragon doing a duck impersonation and a deep fake.

You seem/appear confident with your points. Now, a question for you: do you have any personal revelation from the holy spirit to tell us(about tb Joshua). By what authority do you quote these scriptures?

NobleRace:


So, you mean the Holy Spirit can use an unsaved man from the occult as His minister? The Holy Spirit does not only have a mind of His own, He's the Master, and Leader of every genuine Church. Yes, He can act in ways you don't expect but for bringing a servant into His Vineyard, He already stated that 'God heareth not sinners.'

Why does the Bible say 'Try all spirits'? You mean if Guru Mahraji starts a church today, you'll attend without minding whether he has given his life to Christ genuinely or not? He immediately becomes 'your chief cornerstone' because the Holy Spirit has a mind of His own.

Even Paul received a rejection treatment from the Apostles when he tried to them in Jerusalem. It took Barnabas to tell them that he has met the Lord, and then after hearing his personal testimony of salvation, Paul recounted in Ephesians 1, that they gave him the 'free hand of fellowship.' God has never left His church without a rule to follow in accepting men and woman as bonafide co-labourers in the vineyard.

I hope to actually justify TB Joshua. Since you're his follower, you owe the world a responsibility to clarify the misunderstanding about him if any, the same way Barnabas did for Saul of Tarsus.

Who am to clearify the position of Prophet?

Only a Prophet can validate another prophet.
A pastor is not a Prophet
An evangelist can not function as a prophet
There are levels to these kind of things.
It might be impossible for your type to understand how God moves. Even John the Baptist was questioning Jesus's status as messiah. But you want us to do Barnabas and saul on nairaland...even if I write one million articles about tb Joshua you will never believe. The only way you will, is if God grants you a revelation. But don't expect it, it may not come. Those who have had the opportunity have confirmed already.

NobleRace:


Is this your wisdom? Someone who was a known spiritualist from a Muslim background suddenly starts a church in the 90s without any proof of his encounter with Christ becomes your prophet? Jesus Christ rightly said 'Even the elect shall be deceived.' Is this your wisdom?

God does not need your validation to use anyone. Even if he(tb Joshua) fullfills all this questions or sceptiscm you have, satan will still plant another doubt in your mind. And you go about spreading it, the more you spread it the more God increases his anointing and relevance. No wonder the bible talks about a rejected corner stone becoming the Chief cornerstone.
Hear this: The Holy spirit has a mind of it's own, if you expect HIS workings to conform to your 'expectations' (of what qualifies a person to be man of God)then you are wasting your time. It can't happen. The spirit acts and moves according to God's will not our symbolic beliefs.

My advise to you is go and work on your relationship with God.

How did this make front page?

NobleRace:


I can see that you don't even understand my points. Your argument is clearly offpoint.

1.; I'm not claiming any righteousness. I'm asking you a few questions:

✓ How did TB Joshua get saved? If he never talked about it, chances are that he wasn't. You generalise testimony. There's a testimony of salvation unique to every Christian. Before even asking for that of TB Joshua, do you have yours? You must not depart this world without one.

2. Does the Holy Spirit work in his church? I mean working without anybody's intervention. The Lord just doing His things in His church. You seem never to grasp this point.

3. Where was he baptised in water?

4. How did he receive the Holy Spirit baptism?

5. What church was he attending before starting synagogue?

If we have raised questions bothering on physical things and yet you fail to understand; how will you understand spiritual things?

Whenever he did charity works, he televises it for the world to see. Do you know why? It's against the Christian injunction on giving. Do you know why he sells anointing oil? It's never done. Do you see how he used his hand to remote-control people before falling them to the ground? The Holy Spirit never does that. The only reason why people fall under the anointing of the Holy Spirit is that, their bodies can not contain the weight of power that's coming upon them. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit wants to touch everyone while he remains standing and conscious. TB Joshua deliberately uses his hands to whirl people around remotely. Then, sweeps the hand across the floor, resulting in the person's fall. That's not the Holy Spirit.

This is my advice for you. If you consider TB Joshua to be such a man of God that served the true master- The Lord Jesus. Then, start praying that God should make your life like that of TB Joshua. Your end like his end. And whatsoever be the fate of him in the afterlife should be your fate. Pray this prayer in your mention to me. Otherwise, I'll consider you an hypocrite.

Foolishness of the wise indeed. I see that Bible School has reduced the functioning of the Holy spirit to mere theory and wishful thinking.

Some people are waiting for salvation story. while God has taken his humble servant home. Very funny.

Eviana:



You made a mistake though at the above bolded red: It's "ma'am".....not "sir". I am very much a female born of a female. Some people on N.L. desperately wish I was a male, but I am incapable of making that wish come true....nor do I want to..with all due respect.
You are welcome.
May you continue to rightly divide the word of God....which is truth.

Lol.

I'm really proud of his efforts. But he shouldn't have meddled into politics with such careless moves

As for federal roads in the east, buhari has really tried. I can attest to that

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never commanded the setting up of your churches to begin with. His Church, which consisted of those who submit to and obey His commandment is lead only by Him and commanded only by Him( through the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of God)

2. I am not sure what you mean by Jesus's deeds being the grounds for the Christian church today. From History, we know instead that your churches are instead founded on the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which Jesus Christ wanted against - Matthew 15 vs 1 -14.

3. Jesus Christ's deeds were examples that showed the result of obedience of the same Law(teachings and commandments) which He gave to us. If the disciples had attempted to record the details of every single healing, every single encounter with the Pharisees and individuals, even single demon He cast out, of no doubt, there would not have been enough books in the world to document them all. However, what is fully documented are the unique teachings and commandments that He, Jesus Christ, gave us, and that, again, is the Law that God promised us through the person of Jesus Christ.

4. The use of crude methods is one thing but to attempt to compare that to what Jesus Christ did is another. That will be worth opening a separate thread for.

5. As for the existence of extant Gospels, I know of and have read several of them and compared their entries to those recorded in scripture. What I have learned where the Truth of God(Jesus Christ) is concerned is that His Word is alive and True - it is Spirit and you simply need to test each claim for yourself to realize whether it is of Truth or not.

No 1: Jesus christ in Matt 16:18 commissioned his church. that is the church we worship in along with the saints When I say church I mean the body of christ.
(Secondly, you may want to check 1corinthians 4:14 to understand the place of a spiritual father)

No 5 How do we do the testing? By fruits?

Kobojunkie:
1. In response to your question on #2, Jesus Christ Himself declared that the case. In Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28, He declared that none of His followers set themselves up as authorities or leaders over the others, proclaiming instead that anyone of them who desired to sit above the others should instead become slave to the rest.

Understand that the body of Christ refers to His followers who belong in His Kingdom -not your churches in the world - , and over each and everyone of them He alone stands as Master, leader/authority and Head over.

2. As for #3, If you carefully examine what is written in John 21 vs 25, you will see that what you are told would require several volumes in documenting are not His teachings and commandments but the examples He lived - His deeds.

Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God billed as having an easy yoke(teachings and commandments) and an light burden(carry your own cross) - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 - all this compared to the Old Covenant Law of Moses which had 613 commandments and a hard burden(where the consequence of the sin of one was suffered by the many) .

It would all have been meaningless if He did not deliver the Law in it's entirely before His death on the cross when He announced, "It is finished". And it would have certainly been meaningless if His Law turned out to be heavier than the Old Covenant Law of Moses before it.

Smiles.
Your view/understanding of church leadership may be grossly misinterpreted. It still does not answer my question

For No2, Jesus' deeds are the grounds for the Christian church today. If you try to separate his deeds from his teaching, you might end up in a circus. For example, the OP was complaining about TB Joshua used crude methods, but forgot that Jesus used his Saliva and dirty mud to heal a blind man.

Now, Fun fact: Are you aware that there are other Gospels from other apostles that were not included in our current bible.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Word of God, Jesus Christ, the very words out of God's own mouth is the very Spirit of Truth and His teachings and commandments the very Truth we are to live by.

2. God declared that no man should add to or remove from His commandments, proclaiming that His Law is eternal. So, how then do you claim that the apostles "handled" God's definitive law against men proclaiming themselves spiritual faithers over other men,this in God's own Kingdom? By whose authority was this "handled" , and where?

Jesus Christ, in Matthew 1 - 10, more than made it clear that His followers that it is sin for any of them to sit as...
*Spiriual fathers
* leader/mentor
* Teachers
* Master/Head
...over anyone who belongs in His flock and His Kingdom.

According to God, He alone is Teacher- Jeremiah 31 vs 34 - over all those who belong to Him. God alone is Shepherd - Ezekiel 34 vs 9 -16 - over all those who belong to Him. God alone is Master and Father over those who belong in His Kingdom- Matthew 23 vs 6 - 10. So obviously, anyone who installs himself as any such does not do so by God's authority now, does he?

3. Where exactly does the Bible tell you that if everything that Jesus Christ taught were documented then the whole world would be full of books?

4. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. All I have referenced so far as the Words out of God's mouth as written of in Scripture. Are these not the very Truth of God Himself to you?

No 1, 4 is accepted.

However, by your explanation in no2 are saying that there is no place for Hierarchy, leadership, or mentorship in the body of Christ (church)?

for No 3 you may check the Gospel of John 21:25

Kobojunkie:
1. First, who is Jesus Christ? According to the Bible, Jesus Christ is God's New agreement, the Covenant promised by God to His people from the even the time of Abraham, with which to bless the World with and God's Covenant is Law by which those who believe are expected to abide and live by. His Law defines for us what sin is - it contains the complete definition of sin(disobedience) where God is concerned and how to live above it in honor of God.

Hence, Jesus Christ, the Truth of God is not simply a man sent from and by God but instead the embodiment of the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. His teachings and commandments, including His examples, the very Law we are to model our walk with God after.

2. Every one who belongs to Jesus Christ lives life continually in submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. It is through obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ that we

* (even if partially) gain access into the Kingdom of God - not all those who gain access will end up in Heaven - John 3 vs 1-21
* are set free from slavery to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 38.
* receive the Spirit of God - John 14 vs 15 - 21
* obtain answers to everything we ask God for and live according to the Will of God, just as as Jesus Christ did- John 15 vs 7 - 11

In essence, in the Kingdom of God, nothing good can be born without obedience to the teachings and laws as given by Jesus Christ, the Truth of God. So we have that every good fruit is born obedience, and bad fruits are born of disobedience or rejection of the commandments of Jesus Christ.

So we make what the fruits are born of but what are the teachings that the fruits are in response to. Jesus Christ being God's Truth(Law) implies that every teaching/rule laid down by Him, as well as His examples, comprise the very details of God's Law to us as far as His Kingdom is concerned. So to produce good fruits, one needs to trust in and obey the teachings, examples and commandments given by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.

Here's an example to look at. In Matthew 23 vs 9, Jesus Christ condemned the calling of men "spiritual fathers". He instructed his followers from sitting in six a seat over any other, proclaiming that we have only one Father in Heaven.
What does this say about pastors and Mogs who sit as "spiritual fathers" over those who follow them?
They don't belong to Jesus Christ as they clearly usurp that which belongs only to God in their disobedience.

The teachings and commandments we are called to obey are documented in the 4 Gospels for those who want to know the Truth (Law) of God to learn and be set free from slavery to sin as a result of knowing the Truth- John 8 vs 31-32

Thank you. From your piece, I deduced that the fruits must only originate from obedience.

You are good with the letters of the scripture. I hope the spirit part of the scripture completes your knowledge.

As for spiritual father issues, I believe the apostles handled that. If you study from Acts to 2peter you will understand the importance of spiritual leaders/mentors

As for teachings and commandments, the bible says that if every thing Jesus did and taught were documented then the whole world will be full of books.
This is why we must remain prayer through HIS WORD and by HIS SPIRIT to have better understanding

Very rich take. You're doing well.

Please explain the fruit part. What's fruits should we look out for to ascertain a true man of God. Thank u.

Qudsi:



You drank AbdulFatai's occultic "anointing water" too much. No be only Judas. AbdulFatai sexed her, sexually abused her for over 14years and you who was never in his inner circle falsely accuse her of being a Judas.

Use your brain. Why use a woman such as Bisola and others like Yetunde, Anu, Bose, etcetera for 14years or more if he was not sexing them for his occultist power increment. Is a woman suppose to deputize him if he was a true Prophet as he craftily put up on media.

Chai you are correct brother. Thanks for the info(pun intended).

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never said to pray in order to obtain answers in everything though. In fact, He specifically prescribed prayer and fasting in one case alone... the casting out of some demons.

Where it pertains deterring of whether a one is a false Teacher or prophet, Jesus Christ specifically taught us that it is by their fruits that we shall know them - Matthew 7 vs 15-23. Jesus Christ never taught prayer and fasting as way to obtaining answers where it concerns the fruits of another. So,why do you not believe Jesus Christ's recommendation in this?

There is nothing wrong with asking for more insight after you have obeyed God's direct command which is that you examine the fruits of the person in question for to obtain the answers you seek. However, there is everything wrong with refusing altogether to apply the wisdom (solution) God has already give you as way of getting at the answers you seek, so you can do it your way instead.

I see you are well versed.

Kudos and keep winning. Endeavor to have a personal relationship with Jesus. If you do, he will be able guide through petty issues like what the OP raised.
You may have noticed that I don't argue bible verses, now it doesn't mean that bible quote above is wrong. You are correct actually.

However, Praying fervently and fasting about a problem (as lead by the spirit) will transition you from ordinary to extraordinary. You no longer have to watch a bunch of YouTube videos and Petty gossips to quantify 'FRUITS' of God's servant.
Please Take out a quiet time from your busy schedule seek for more.

Kobojunkie:
You are missing the point. God already told you how to find the answers you seek, only the way He prescribed does not require your praying and fasting but instead your knowledge of His commandments and careful examination of the other for signs of obedience of these very same commandments.

Now, if you continue to insist that God's method is not the correct method, and instead proceed to finding the answers your way, in disobedience of God's own instruction, do you believe that whatever answer you obtain through your own means will be of God?

You see na. This is why Tb Joshua does not respond to criticism.
that is what the enemy wants us to keep doing. As we are arguing our anointing keeps draining.

Watch, Pray and fast. Jesus is still with us just as he was in the beginning, as such all knowledge can be made available to us if we seek it. There's nothing wrong in asking for more insight. It doesn't mean disobedience

Qudsi:


Use your brain man.

If Bisola and others were lying especially Bisola for years. TB AbdulFatai would have sued her. He has more than enough to take her to Court all these years but he couldn't because he knew that Bisola who worked with him for 14years is saying the truth. He had sex with her and others.
We are talking of AbdulFatai here and not ordinary . He was an occultist and a manipulator.

Bisola is fulfilling her destiny. She is destined to be an acc. Just as Judas was in the days of Jesus.

Kobojunkie:
You dont need to do that at all!

Jesus Christ said "By their fruits you shall know them". The same declared that those who love Him are those who keep His comandments/rules, informing you that all you need is to find out is whether or not a person obeys His commandments or not in order to know whether that person belongs to Him or not.

No fasting or praying necessary.... as even those in the world are able to know who truly belongs to Jesus Christ and who the hypocrites/ false teachers and prophets are.

It is necessary. Christianity is a relationship. If u have that unique relationship with Jesus and the holy spirit. Then Jesus should be able to show u (Personally) who and who are truly his servants.

Praying and fasting in righteousness is for a deeper conviction of matters beyond the physical. If this OP had done this, I'm sure he/she will not have posted this long empty article.

OP. If you really want to know if someone is of God, Pray and fast ask God to reveal his (tb joshua)true identity to you.

I'm pretty sure that will give you a stronger opinion to form a constructive nairaland post.

Satan is laughing as believers are arguing over the works of the holy spirit.

Fasindo:






Rip Sir.


Now that TB Joshua is dead and now left his $50,000,000,0000 wealth to his wife, I Fasindo is more interested in knowing if the wife is searching since she is now single.

Be careful bro.

If your assertion is true then millions of people must have died because of him. His healing program from 1988 till june 2021 must-have killed billions of people(according to your projection).