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livingchrist:
Jehovah witness org teaches that the name 'Jehovah' means he causes to become

Now, in another publication they stated that the ability for Jehovah to become anything he want fo do is a reflection of his own nature

But again they say ,Angels has same nature with Jehovah, which means Angels are Jehovah.

Cc blabbermouth

They will tell you "You can't understand our publications".
Many of them go out of their teachings to protect ego, they have ceased to amaze me.

Jozzy4:


God is spirit does not mean God is a Spiritual man na , so livingchrist had to run, but the hypocrite want anyone born of spirit is spirit to mean Spiritual man . Double standard

Your brother just got another bomb shoved in his ass.
Double standards right? Let me see how you will maintain your single standard.

Barristter07:


It would be unfruitful since you are being exposed for the liar you are . John 3:6 didn't say what is born is spirit is a spiritual man . Stop lying . Neither does the Bible said they will be slave of God's nature. All this are frauds from blabbermouth.

I'm a liar? No problem. The bible did not say they will be slave of God's nature? No problem.
I see that your comment got a like and a share. It would be of help because the person will need to assist you here;

1. That which is born of Spirit is spirit
Barrister: It means they will become A spirit just like the angelic creatures

2. God is Spirit
Barrister: It means God is A spirit just like the angelic creatures

3. the words that I speak unto you, they (the words) are spirit, and they are life.
Blabbermouth: Barristter07 sir, what say ye? If we are to follow your trend of interpretation, that means every single word of Christ on earth is A spirit on its own just like the angelic creatures
Now let's take the word of Christ in John 3 for example
"Verily" - is A Spirit (1)
"Verily" - is another Spirit (2)
"i" - another Spirit (3)
"say" - another spirit (4)
"unto" - another sprit. (5)
"thee" - another spirit. (6)
ati be be lo.
You sabi how many Spirit you don create with this your erroneous interpretation?

Cc: Jozzy4, your single standard expertise is needed here.

Barristter07:

Am very focused , and I won't allow any other subjects to detail the thread. This above post is the turning point that reveal Blabbermouth hypocrisy .

Honestly, I'm not in the mood or have enough time to continue this.

He itted the Expression " Is spirit " at John 3:6 and John 4:24 were revealing the Form of those involved. both must rhyme

God is not a man having a spirit. He is a pure Spirit , blabbermouth knows the risk of ascribing the same to those of born of spirit , so he wrote the underlined Jargons , Even inserting Slave of God's nature. Something not scriptural. I can ask him to provide a single scripture that said those of born of spirit will be slave of God's nature and he won't find it. On this premise, he pride himself , not knowing his entire twist was dead on arrival.

I should provide a single scripture that those born of spirit will be slave of God's nature?
I will skip. You didn't even understand the sentence in the first place. Next time, say - Blabbermouth, I'm confused, what do you mean by so so so statement?

God is not a man having a spirit?
Your confusion has been a stumbling block for you.
The Deity is a being in a unique class on his own. A spirit Man, A spirit Deity.
All flesh are not the same, all spirit are not the same.

The proper explanation is that both must be rhyme , God is Spirit means he is pure Spirit, likewise when Blabbermouth mouth said it influence nature, God himself declare he will give them his very own Divine nature. Scriptural fact .

Should I pay you back in your coin? You are all over claiming I should give you a word-for-word scripture for a statement, should I request that from you?

Tell me where God said He will give them (Who do you refer to as them?) his own divine nature. Then tell me what God meant by Divine nature.

I don't want another round of laughing at your errors, so let me chip this;
Holiness, is it God's nature?

So the promise is for them to have the very nature and form of God.

Therefore becoming Deities themselves.
Again, all flesh are not the same. All spirit are not the same.
Almighty is not what make God special, if it was just some position, don't be too happy, someone might unseat Him one day.
When will you learn that Jehovah as a being is in a class of His own?

Like I said blabbermouth explanation and twist at underlined are totally unscriptural neither does it address the point . It was on this premise that I asked that the thread be closed.

Unscriptural?
There is nothing as unscriptural as 72,000,144,000 Gods/Deity/Divinity with just one among them being president.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus fed thousands through the hands of his Apostles Sir! Mark 8:6

You can feed me, it doesn't make you a mediator.

So both physically and spiritually the Apostles serve as mediators to feed the sheep! John 21:15-17

There is nothing like "mediators to feed the sheep". "You want to see God?No other way, come to me!" That's a mediator. "You want to talk to God? No other way, tell me what you want to say, I will relate to him and Give you " That's a mediator.
Christ confirmed himself as mediator between us and God. There was nothing like, if you want to go to Christ, you must through PETER.

When it comes to worship all of us (including Jesus himself) must bow to the same rules as we all worship the same father and God {John 20:17} but some are to teach (spiritually feed) the others.

Teachers are not mediators. You can teach me something, 97% right and 3% error. I don't eat all you feed me, I eat all the Lord says I eat as you feed me.

The work Jesus did between us and God is convey life saving information, that is the same thing the Apostles are doing but neither Jesus nor the Apostles should be worshipped that's what Paul is saying!

No. They weren't worshipping Paul or Apollos!
Much more like saying, We are Paulians, the only true Christians. We are Appolians, the Paulians are not as enlightened as we are, we are the real Christians.
A kingdom ought not to be divided, for it can not stand well. The division has made the church at large to be easily rediculed and belittled.

No Christ Witness or Christianity pioneer pushed for anything like denomination, it wasn't even in mind.

Barristter07, the time for unfruitful discussion is over.
You can rest in peace.

MaxInDHouse:


Christ himself chose Apostles out of disciples so there are mediators between the congregation and Christ otherwise Jesus would have called all his followers disciples and not select some as Apostles.
Of course those Apostles aren't perfect yet Jesus said "whatever you bind or loose on earth will be same in heaven" {Matthew 16:19} Jesus himself commissioned Christianity that way, i believe Jesus still behaves the same today {Hebrew 13:8} so there can be orderliness! 1Corinthians 14:33,40
There has never been a time when God left his worship without proper arrangement, you can pray to God directly on personal issues but when it comes to worship it must be well arranged so that false worship could be stamped out!
That's the importance of identifying the GROUP practicing pure worship Sir!

The function of apostles is not to mediate between the Church and Christ!
Apostles lay foundations, plant Ekklesia but they don't mediate!

Paul corrected that Error when those babes wanted to fall under different Apostle's umbrella, and segregate themselves from the rest.
Christ cannot be divided!

There is nothing like segregating yourself and saying - we are the only one being fed. We belong to Barnabas.

Maximus, I do hope your years are young, you will see what An Ekklesia can do, and how much light they can radiate (collectively and individuall when they are one and under the same Lord - Christ Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:


So all i am saying is
There must be a GROUP where the qualities of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} is working fine just as many of you will love to move to countries where things are working fine for their average citizens
I have found that GROUP that's why i left the one i formerly associate with to become a dedicated member of this GROUP, just as most of you will do if given the opportunity to become a citizen in Canada or USA due to the condition of things there. I know it's not easy to leave families, friends and loved ones for a better destination but that will not deter 90% of Nigerian youth from saying "Goodbye to Nigeria" therefore all these arguments you are putting up just to say "there is no religious group with a fair setting where all lovers of God can grow spiritually, mentally and physically in LOVE, JOY and PEACE indicates that the love for the TRUTH is not in you!

While some say I belong to Paul and others say I belong to Apollos, are ye yet not carnal?

It's okay Maximus. But know this, it is better that there is no mediator between you and Christ, Men FAIL AND FALL INTO ERROR A LOT (Your Group as well as the other groups) but Christ NEVER FALLS IN ERROR, this is where your confidence should lie.

achorladey:


You know this NOUN and ADJECTIVE thing made the whole discussion Interesting.

I was surprised you didn't ask the barrister when he stated the below

Okay, in what sense does " Is spirit " qualifies the noun at John 3:6 and John 4:24 , what does it reveal about the noun.


Did he agree that the IS SPIRIT is

A. Adjective

B. Noun

Which one?

Because it is on that premise the discussion spiral into FORM/NATURE

Previous experiences taught me never to over press them like Liverpool. I did it with Haddeylium and we all saw how he came back here to say something like - I said "they will only be like" that day because your (my) comprehension level is low. The real thing is "they will become pure angelic creatures", but your brain cannot comprehend my explanation - I just weak.

So, when I saw " Okay" as Barrister's sentence starter, I just assumed that he now concurs that to be an ADJECTIVE.

To be honest, one thing many fail to cross check when pitching tents on doctrines is - Implications!

You don't just erroneously say - this is what this scripture is talking about. When you see other scripture against your interpretation, you say it is symbolic! It is not so, the lexicon actually says it's something else!

After thrashing out other scriptures to peddle an erroneous implication, you come out and call yourself true bible students.
Yet, the implication of one of your doctrine makes you equal with God.

There was this day we discussed on Hell fire. After seeing one or two points by different party, I said to myself, let me go back to God and hear him clear.
[For the first time, I so much wished JW were at least right in that matter]

Another error - You don't start from bilal and end with Jesus. You ought to start from Jesus and end with the others. You will never miss it!

I started getting irritated at that point where you will say - Jesus said they will gnash teeth and burn.
Then someone runs to Old testament and say - No! Jesus was drunk, God doesn't think of those things.
Then you ask them, what was Jesus saying then? They tell you, sit down and eat whatever dog shit we interpret from Christ's literal words.

Kobojunkie had maximus by his throat, I expected something sensible but all Maximus could utter was something similar to - You can't take Christ literally in that case, learn from someone that ate bread with Jesus, I.e. Peter.

I read the words of Peter which Maximus referenced and realized Peter was never even in any way importing a new meaning into Christ's literal words.

achorladey:


I expect you would have insist they DEFINE what FORM or NATURE means. You never can tell what will come up.

I insisted, but I realized barrister likes playing on his own turf. If I were pushing my own opinion, I might have chose to back down since it's his turf.
Fortunately, na truth dey my mouth, in darkness, in light, in the spirit realm, in the solar realm, on his turf or wherever, I knew he will never be able to gainsay.

To be honest, I start every time with the pure intention to edify and be edified, what do they pay me back with? A recorded voice message.

So, I just decided to go on. Just as you said, someone silently reading might me blessed with it.

livingchrist:
you nor get sense, na only Angels bi messengers?

I caught a scam rushing to hide behind Angel are messengers when he got his spinal cord broken.

This same Janosky affirmed that he is an angel (messenger) right now, I mean on earth like this.

Yet someone testified somewhere - He make his angels messengers spirits.

Since Janosky is a messenger and also an angel, Janosky is A spirit (just like other angelic creatures) on earth, like right now.

So LivingChrist, you are actually not talking to a man, but a pure spirit. Respect him o!

livingchrist:
so if you have the nature of a Human being does that not make you a human being?
If Jehovah has same nature with Angels what does that make him? Clown

Let's be honest, that guy has seen it, but ego won't allow him accept defeat.

achorladey:


Don't you read between lines?
If I say - Man is a natural being, I am right.
If I say - A lion is a natural being, I am right.

What then, is the Lion a human?
No!

Natural being - Lion, Tiger, Snake, and more

Do you copy?

39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

Spirit being - The Divine (Eloi of course), Angelic creature, spiritual man!

40. THERE ARE HEAVENLY BODIES

Is this not the info you are ing across?

Spot on!
If they understood that Man has a Spirit in him, they won't have become a laughing stock.

MuttleyLaff:


Hebrews 4:16 nah ....
Why asking me, lmso? Go with boldness to the throne of grace, as you too have the confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Yahsua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, the Lord's incarnate nah, lmso.

Stingy man. In other words, go collect your own by yourself.

MuttleyLaff, how has spiritual cleansing been?
Anything from the Lord for your boy?

I wish I had the time to enjoy a good long laugh again.
Well, let me just observe from the side lines.

Dearly beloved Janosky, how has it been with you?

Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Let worship be done on earth as it is in heaven.
I see true worshippers with their natural body entering a spirit temple to worship a spirit God without a spirit in spirit.


I bless the day I was baptized.

Maximus, I see that your group believes that some set of people will be raised to live for a thousand years. There, they will be given a second Chance to walk right with God or remain like they are.
Can I know how you came about this belief?

[Ps: I replied you concerning the 1 day = 1,000 years but the bot clamped it. No time to start writing again, we will iron that if it comes on again in another discussion]

MaxInDHouse:

As for resurrection God's word says "there is going to be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous" Act 24:15
The ones declared righteous never met the degree God set which is listening and acting on the counsel given by God's only begotten SON {John 3:16} so they're not yet free from sin as they've not declared Jesus as Lord and saviour {Romans 2:8} that declaration was based on their fine works {James 2:21} through which faith could be justified but they've not put faith in Jesus for real.
The unrighteous are people who lived in other parts of the earth by conscience, these ones though never heard from God like Abraham but they do things that proves they could have been obedient if they knew God's rules {Romans 2:15} so God still counts them as unrighteous since they never knew him.
As for people who deliberately chose to be wicked, they will be removed from the earth {Psalms 37:9 compare to Proverbs 2:21-22}
So real wicked people will not be resurrected! Psalms 9:17 compared to Matthew 10:28
Thanks and God bless you!

Okay. Let me leave for real now. Gotta get busy with better things.

Jozzy, help your brother apply a nice bandage on his bruised head. I even thought he will be able to bruise my heels before the head smashing.

Okay. Let me leave for real now.

Jozzy4:


Rest, Does Gabriel and JEHOVAH exist as Spirit persons ?

Gabriel is God Almighty na

I don't have the time to repeat myself again and again bro.

Jozzy4:

You are sounding foolish already bro
Quote the post where he said so .

Lol.
Wise man.

Blabbermouth:

You think say na beans to be A living Deity like Yahweh?
Authority doesn't give you the exclusive creation right!
Authority doesn't give you exclusive omnipotent right!
Authority doesn't give you No Beginning and No End!
Authority doesn't give you immeasurable wisdom!
Authority doesn't give you Infinite knowledge!
Authority doesn't give you Divinity's understanding!

It is the other way round - Exclusive creation right, Omnipotency, Divine nature, No beginning and no end, Immeasurable Wisdom, Infinite knowlege, Uncomibility, understand and infinity of dimensions gives you the Authority!

Jozzy4, read again.

Jozzy4:

Thank you @bold
Anything to lash on to cover his shame.

We thrashed that already.
I just enlightened you that the difference between Gabriel and Jehovah is not just some Scepter or title of "Almighty".

Jozzy4:

Okay which scripture said so ?

Barristter07 chapter 9 vs 27.

Jozzy4:


Which form is Angel Gabriel ?

Angel Gabriel is God almighty 3.
Angel Michael is God almighty 2.

I warned you from the beginning, learn!
Lion is in natural form
Human is in natural form
The above does not equate that a lion is in human form
Piece that together and come into cognizance of truth.
You see your fall now?

Jozzy4:

You are very dull sha, ever since you re asked the form of angels and you replied God Almighty , am not shocked anymore.

C'mon, hide behind authority na.
Tell me the only difference between God and Angel Gabriel is some staff of authority

Blabbermouth:
I've gotten it now!
This was what happened;
BEFORE GENESIS 1:1
A committee of Gods having no beginning and no end sat down and reasoned among themselves - we need a leader. With time, these Gods, of which each one of them can create (call anything into existence), have all-knowing knowledge and the ability to even be everywhere (if they want to be) concluded that they needed a God Almighty.
Just like the 2020 US election, they decided to use an electoral college system.
The outcome of the result was that someone name [name removed] won by electoral votes but A God named [name removed] won with popular votes.
After the election, they coronate one of them to be God Almighty and every other Gods became subjected to this God Almighty as Angels.
Unfortunately, the other God that lost with popular votes wasn't happy and he even had a lot of other Gods defect to the party of the God that won. For this, he decided to cause a lot of commotion, this is why he is now popularly referred to as Devil.

Clap for me guys!
Shebi we want to hide behind authority na, oya let's hide.

You think say na beans to be A living Deity like Yahweh?
Authority doesn't give you the exclusive creation right!
Authority doesn't give you exclusive omnipotent right!
Authority doesn't give you No Beginning and No End!
Authority doesn't give you immeasurable wisdom!
Authority doesn't give you Infinite knowledge!
Authority doesn't give you Divinity's understanding!

It is the other way round - Exclusive creation right, Omnipotency, Divine nature, No beginning and no end, Immeasurable Wisdom, Infinite knowlege, Uncomibility, understand and infinity of dimensions gives you the Authority!

I've gotten it now!
This was what happened;
BEFORE GENESIS 1:1
A committee of Gods having no beginning and no end sat down and reasoned among themselves - we need a leader. With time, these Gods, of which each one of them can create (call anything into existence), have all-knowing knowledge and the ability to even be everywhere (if they want to be) concluded that they needed a God Almighty.
Just like the 2020 US election, they decided to use an electoral college system.
The outcome of the result was that someone name [name removed] won by electoral votes but A God named [name removed] won with popular votes.
After the election, they coronate one of them to be God Almighty and every other Gods became subjected to this God Almighty as Angels.
Unfortunately, the other God that lost with popular votes wasn't happy and he even had a lot of other Gods defect to the party of the God that won. For this, he decided to cause a lot of commotion, this is why he is now popularly referred to as Devil.

Clap for me guys!
Shebi we want to hide behind authority na, oya let's hide.