NewStats: 3,259,576 , 8,170,553 topics. Date: Sunday, 25 May 2025 at 04:07 PM s112p

Abortion is not murder.[/quote]

Disagree! It is murder!
Its all depend on your Geograghical location.
UK and are anly few hundred miles apart, if you abort a baby after 28weeks in UK you are going jail, in and you haven't committed any crime of murder.
Science told us that life begins at inception, to abort is to kill!

In every country where abortion has been legalised for whatever reason, it has always been abused. In UK, abortion was legalised in the late 60s and the law says that it can only be carried out when a woman's life is in danger or in the case of rape etc. The fact is that more than 5 million abortions has been carried out since then and only a fraction was due to any of the reasons the law stipulates.
It is a scientific fact that life begins at inception, to take that helpless, defenseless life is murder. Lets not coat the raw detail with fancy words like "reproductive rights" invented by abortion lobbyist.

ola_pluto: He is likely a British citizen. Why must his roots be brought up when he commits a crime. Can we please have this label for Nigerians representing well in UK? Can we call Chuba Akpom a Nigerian too please, Christine Ohuruogu, Gabby Agbonlahor, Carlton Cole, Andrew Osagie, Idowu Phillips, Ronke Phillips are all Nigerians but never referred to as Nigerians. This guy probably has never stepped into Nigeria, so why call him Nigerian? His accent is a proper Londoner's innit!

Chuka Umunna too!

visiting Yankari Game Reserve for the first time in 1986 and was thinking why ver few people in Nigeria don't know about this place- most importantly why our govt refuse to invest extensivley in all these amazing potential tourist destinations.

Lenny5000: It is very simple the difference between Catholics and Christian is this

CHRISTIANS = BIBLE IS THE SOUL AUTHORITY

CATHOLICS = BIBLE + CANON LAW IS THE COMPLETE AUTHORITY

So no need for anybody to be angry or arguing. Where I reside, they don't call Catholics Christians, of cause I was angry and shocked when I first heard that and took my time to explain that Catholics are also Christians, cos they normally ask, Are you a Christian, Muslim or Catholic? Anyway been born and raised a Catholic, when I got here many years ago, I took my time to read and research the Catholic church and found out why they are not called Christians... I had to even read my lil Red Catechism book again ..lol As a grown up now, once you read it again, Y'd be surprised at all the un-biblical things you will find there. While I don't attend the Catholic Church anymore... I still walk into huge empty Catholic church here to sit down, meditate and have quiet time.. I love the feeling of peace I get when I go there. Personally to me Catholicism is like a Cult that you cant fully leave even when you know that a lot of the practice are pagan and has nothing to do with God... But you miss the Latin, Mass, Songs, Eucharist, Sweet Smelling Incense...etc There is really nothing anybody can tell or teach me about Catholicism cos I might actually know more.. cos i spent good time studying... I have Priest as friends and we discuss... You might be surprised, what some of them truly believes. To end this, The Catholic Church will play a big Role towards the end of time, its all there in the bok of revelation and it's gradually falling into place. Saying I love this Religion or Church so I pledge my allegiance has nothing to do with GOD. It is in your interest to find out about what you believe... The world as we know it might be shaken soon from the Vatican and if your faith is not solid as a rock...well!! The information is out there, study yourself to be approved! Y'all my brothers and sisters, love you all.. Bless

Now, here is someone that does NOT knows what he is talking about. My friend i can honestly say that you are a big ugly liar, you have not done one single research about Catholic Church and her teaching because if did, you wouldn't have said most of the things you have just said.
1. You did not know the meaning of cannon law .
2. Catechism is throughly biblical and not a small book. The 2 main CC books are between 600 and 800 pages with biblical reference every where.

Finally, the Church exists before the Bible (NT), the Church produced the NT and not the other way round. The Church also have traditions ed down by the apostles and early church fathers before NT.

frosbel:

Are you a cannibal ?

Jesus asked us to do it in remembrance of HIM not to keep sacrifing him over and over again !!!


The Jewish Priests continued endless sacrifices of animals , which were never able to permanently take away our sins.


In Hebrews 11 , we read :
"11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins."

Is this not what the catholic priests are doing ? Again and again offering useless acrifices that can never take away sins ?



Compare to Hebrews 11: 12 where this sacrifice was offered ONCE not twice or thrice , ONCE and for all and for ever :

"12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."


Kindly answer these questions :

1. If Jesus and his disciples prophetically commemorated his death and sacrifice when he was still alive, what exactly where they drinking and eating ?

2. If the bible through Holy Spirit inspiration confirms the absoluteness of the sacrifice made by Jesus , why do your priests blaspheme God by offering this sacrifice again and again and again.


In the original Greek text, the word that Jesus uses is not "eat" but MUNCH, it cannot get any clearer than this. He said what He said and He is very serious about it!
It would have been sensible to find out what Catholic mass is all about from Catholic Church iherself This tired arguement that we are sacrificing Christ over again was officially adressed in The Council of Trent almost 500 years ago. You should get your facts straight and stop being a lazy.

Take heed , listen to what Daniel prophesied :

"He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" - (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

All sacrifice has ceased, by conducting a heretical mass, your popes , bishops and priests are committing abominations.

"The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries." - Revelation
17:4


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You were warned.

frosbel:

Hinduism has endured for over 4000 years, Islam for over 1000 years, does this make then TRUE ?

Frosbel Minstry is what, 5,10, 15 yrs,does that make your version of Christainity true?

Pygru: Follow Jesus !!!

We are following Him, eating His body (John6:53 "Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" and yes, reading the Scripture which we compiled, reviewed, defended and gave the world).

Boomark:

You have a lot to consider before you conclude on those miracles. Think about people in other religion that receive miracles, eg Buddha, Hindu etc. Think of the confirmed fake pastors that does miracle in the name of Jesus.

Think of those who told our Lord Jesus that they cast out demons in his name. What did Jesus tell them? He said, "go away you workers of INIQUITY."

Do not stay where you are as one who is deluded to believe whatever comes your way.

I urge every catholic to first study what it is to worship God in spirit and in truth. Who this God true worshipers worship. Is it the Father as Jesus told us or the trinity God?

After then you now ask your self if bowing of unknown persons, the use of dead body parts in alter are part of true worship.

After TWO THOUSANDS YEARS of study and guided by the Holy Spirit, the Church has come to a definte conclusion that she knows what true worship is and that is what we precisely do everyday in mass.

frosbel:


FOLLOW Jesus and you can never fail !

I bet pastor White that said that Jesus was wrong in Gay marriage is following Jesus his own way. 500 years after Luther said that anyone can pick up the Bible and figure it out themselves, we now have Frosbel telling us that he is the TRUE follower of Jesus and over a Billion Catholics in the world are not following Jesus. I weak for this man!

Ubenedictus: hehehe, no let frosbel catch you oh.

@italo, hann has a book on confession, its titled "lord, have mercy", i read it some years ago, it was a good read. Still looking for his book on the covenant.
his work shows the depth of his spirituality. They are beautiful.

He has been a blessing to the Church. I read "The Lamb Supper" which he also wrote and it changed and ever since, Sunday mass is no longer enough for me.

And who told you i am not seeking the mind of God or are you now my Judge. Do you know my mind?

shdemidemi:

On the contrary why don't you seek the mind of God and learn what God is all about. Then compare to the traditions and customs of the RCC.
We have been warned of thirst things. We will be of no excuse. We have the oracle/word of God with us, lets read it.

Before the distruction of Jerusalem in 70D by Rome,almost all Christians have left the city. Alexndra, Antioch, Corinth and Rome are the 4 centres of the early Christians with the same tradition, teaching and liturgy. Each centre has its own Bishops (I mentioned St Jerome and Bishop of Antioch from 70 -107AD) all directly or indirectly subject to Bishop of Rome hence Pope Clement telling off the Church in Corinth when they had Schism.
Its worth noting that there were theological debate but not one single Church father challenged tthe authority of the Church of Rome when its exercises its influence or power of them. This topic is a little beyond the scope of this tread, i have to specifiaclly explain what the Early Church fathers beieved the Church Rome to be and all the intricate details which will probably take for ever to do.
It is also worth mentioning that Holy Spirit didn't stop working after the Acts of the Apostles, it continued, guiding the Church to define the doctrine of Holy Trinity which was not defined or expanded in the NT.
Finally, the Churches in all the verses you mentioned were all Catholic, do they practice all we do now? No. Just like they don't know much about the Trinity then. They do have the Eucharist which is the summit of all Christians(Catholic) until the reformation. St Jerome used Catholic to refer to the whole Christians at that time since there where no divisions hence all are one Universal Church "Catholic". "Roman" in Catholic Church is a very recent thing, all official documents of the Church has NO "Roman Catholic" in them. Catholic Church is Catholic Church, the Roman was probably used to affirmn the whole Church is with the Roman Bishop.
If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me the kind of Church/ Christianity that was in existance from 30AD to 1500AD and the difference between denomination and the Catholic Church we have today.

deSika:
am sure yu would that the new testament is a historical of Jesus,his twelve, the early converts and the migration of the gospel to other places of which rome is just one of them.
how yu come to agree that christianity started in rome just beats me.

that historical never mentions rome or roman catholic or pope as taking such a revered position in christianity. 2 most of what the roman catholic stands for are never mentioned in that .

and again even if i agree that the church has always being catholic (universal) from time immorial. u hv to agree that there is a diference between catholic and roman catholic.

for one, the roman in that phrase neutralises the universality of the phrase for how can it be universal and also roman (rome is a part of the world).

FINAL WORD, if roman catholic church was the first church then it means the church referred to in 1cor 1:2, 15:9, acts 18:22, Rom 16:5, 1 cor 16:19 were roman catholic churches annd they had a pope.

rom 16:likewise, greet the church that is in their house.

Before the distruction of Jerusalem in 70AD by Roman Empire,almost all Christians have left the city. Alexndra, Antioch, Corinth and Rome were the 4 centres of the early Christians with the same tradition, teaching and liturgy. Each centre has its own Bishops (I mentioned St Jerome and Bishop of Antioch from 70 -107AD) all directly or indirectly subject to Bishop of Rome hence Pope Clement telling off the Church in Corinth when they had Schism.
Its worth noting that there were theological debates but not one single Church father/Bishop challenged the authority of the Church of Rome when She exercises its influence or power of them. This topic is a beyond the scope of this tread, i have to specifically explain what the Early Church fathers believed the Church of Rome to be and all the intricate details which will probably take forever to do.
It is also worth mentioning that Holy Spirit didn't stop working after the Acts of the Apostles, it continued, guiding the Church to define the doctrine of Holy Trinity which was not defined or expanded in the NT.
Finally, the Churches in all the verses you mentioned were all Catholic, do they practice all we do now? No. Just like they don't know much about the Trinity then. They do have the Eucharist which is the summit of all Christians(Catholic) until the reformation.
St Jerome used Catholic to refer to the whole Christians at that time since there where no divisions hence all are one Universal Church "Catholic". "Roman" in Catholic Church is a very recent thing, all official documents of the Church has NO "Roman Catholic" in them. Catholic Church is Catholic Church, the Roman was probably used to affirmn that the whole Church is with the Roman Bishop.
If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me the kind of Church/Christianity that was in existance from 30AD to 1500AD and the difference between them and the Catholic Church of today. It will also be helpful to back your story up with historical facts.

deSika:
am sure yu would that the new testament is a historical of Jesus,his twelve, the early converts and the migration of the gospel to other places of which rome is just one of them.
how yu come to agree that christianity started in rome just beats me.

that historical never mentions rome or roman catholic or pope as taking such a revered position in christianity. 2 most of what the roman catholic stands for are never mentioned in that .

and again even if i agree that the church has always being catholic (universal) from time immorial. u hv to agree that there is a diference between catholic and roman catholic.

for one, the roman in that phrase neutralises the universality of the phrase for how can it be universal and also roman (rome is a part of the world).

FINAL WORD, if roman catholic church was the first church then it means the church referred to in 1cor 1:2, 15:9, acts 18:22, Rom 16:5, 1 cor 16:19 were roman catholic churches annd they had a pope.

rom 16:likewise, greet the church that is in their house.

What Catholic Church and two of the last Popes said about Freemason.

"Freemasonry is a post collegiate male fraternity dedicated to the spiritual development of the initiate into a broader sense of the self, and the initiates as he relates to the divine and their relative place in the world."

"The two cardinal rules not to talk about in lodge are religion and politics, as Freemasonry is concerned specifically with neither. The practice of Freemasonry does promote and teach a sort of ecumenical philosophy of tolerance, which is the over arching idea. It does not imply one system of politics or religion is right or wrong."

For almost 300 years, the Church has warned its flock about the dangers of Freemasonry, since its beliefs, teachings, and practices are so opposed to what the Church teaches. For this reason, any Catholic who is a Mason is automatically excommunicated from the Church, and cannot receive Holy Communion. Here is what Cardinal Ratzinger said in 1983, the last official pronouncement of the Church regarding Freemasonry:



Issued by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on November 26, 1983.

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.

This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore hip in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 [1981] pp. 240-241).

In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.


JOSEPH Card. RATZINGER
Prefect


+ Fr. JEROME HAMER, O.P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium
Secretary

During the early 20th Century, both Portugal and Mexico were taken over by Freemasons. The officials at Fatima, Portugal who persecuted the three children for their Virgin Mary visions were Masons. In Mexico, the Cristero War broke out as a result of the Masonic brotherhood in charge of the government limiting religious freedom in Mexico.



And never try to argue with a Freemason about what the Craft teaches. They are under orders from their Worshipful Master to not reveal anything about what really goes on behind the locked doors of their windowless lodges, shrines, and temples. Therefore, they will come up with evasive answers when you quote what Mackey, Coil, and Pike wrote about Freemasonry being a religion, like "Their writings are their own personal opinions, because no one person speaks for Freemasonry". Your immediate reply should be, "Well fine, then neither do you. Good Bye". In other cases, they will say that "Freemasonry is religious, but is not a religion." Truly smart people will understand that exchanging a noun with an adjective is nothing more than double-talk. Freemasons pray in their temples and shrines to the GAOTU, they have their own Masonic Bible, they have a resurrection ceremony, and they have a burial rite that gets the deceased into the "celestial lodge above". That's a religion!

Custodi di Quella Fede
His Holiness Pope Leo XIII
On Freemasonry
December 8, 1892
To the Italian People.

Guardians of that faith to which the Christian nations owe their morality and civil redemption, We must dutifully discharge each one of Our supreme tasks. Therefore We must raise Our voice in loud protestations against the impious war which tries to take such a precious treasure away from you, beloved children. Already taught by long and sorrowful experience, you know well the terrible trials of this war, you who deplore it in your hearts as Catholics and as Italians. Can one be Italian in name and sentiment and not resent these continual offenses against divine beliefs? These beliefs are the most beautiful of our glories, for they gave to Italy its primacy over the other nations and to Rome the spiritual scepter of the world. They likewise made the wonderful edifice of Christian civilization rise over the ruins of paganism and barbarism.

Can we be Catholic in mind and heart and gaze with dry eyes on that land where our wondrous Redeemer deigned to establish the seat of His kingdom? Now We see His teachings attacked and His reverence outraged, His Church embattled and His Vicar opposed. So many souls redeemed by His blood are now lost, the choicest portion of His flock, a people faithful to Him for nineteen centuries. How can We bear to look upon His chosen people exposed to a constant and ever-present danger of apostasy, pushed toward error and vice, material miseries, and moral degradation?

2. This war is directed at the same time against the heavenly and the earthly kingdoms, against the faith of our ancestors and the culture which they handed on to us. It is thus doubly evil, being guilty of a divine offense no less than a human one. Is its chief source not that very masonic sect which We discussed at length in the encyclical "Humanum genus" of April 20, 1884, and in the more recent one of October 15, 1890, addressed to the bishops, the clergy and the Italian people? With these two letters We tore from the face of masonry the mask which it used to hide itself and We showed it in its crude deformity and dark fatal activity.

3. We shall restrict Ourselves now to its deplorable effects on Italy. For a long time now it has bored its way under the deceitful guise of a philanthropic society and redeemer of the Italian people. By way of conspiracies, corruptions, and violences, it has finally come to dominate Italy and even Rome. To what troubles, to what calamities has it opened the way in a little more than thirty years?

4. Our country has seen and suffered great evils in such a short span of time, for the faith of our fathers has been made a sign for persecutions of every sort. The satanic intent of the persecutors has been to substitute naturalism for Christianity, the worship of reason for the worship of faith, so-called independent morality for Catholic morality, and material progress for spiritual progress. To the holy maxims and laws of the Gospel, they have opposed laws and maxims which can be called the code of revolution. They have also opposed an atheistic doctrine and a vile realism to school, science, and the Christian arts. Having invaded the temple of the Lord, they have squandered the booty of the Church's goods, the greatest part of the inheritance necessary for the ministers, and reduced the number of priests by the conscription of clerics beyond the limits of extreme need. If the istration of the sacraments could not be impeded, they sought nonetheless to introduce and promote civil marriages and funerals. If they have not yet succeeded in seizing control of education and the direction of charitable institutions, they always aim with perseverance to laicize everything, which is to remove the mark of Christianity from it. If they could not silence the voice of the Catholic press, they made every effort to discredit and revile it.

5. In this battle against the Catholic religion, what partiality and contradictions there are! They closed monasteries and convents, but they let multiply at will masonic lodges and sectarian dens. They proclaimed the right of association, while the legal rights which all kinds of organizations use and abuse are denied to religious societies. They proclaim freedom of religion and reserve odious intolerance and vexations precisely for the religion of the Italians--which, for that reason, should be assured respect and a special protection. They made protests and great promises for the protection of the dignity and independence of the pope, but you see their daily contempt of Our person. All kinds of public shows find an open field; yet this or that Catholic demonstration is either prohibited or disturbed. They encourage schisms, apostasies, and revolts against legitimate superiors in the Church. Religious vows and especially religious obedience are rebuked as contrary to human dignity and freedom, while impious associations which bind their followers by wicked oaths and demand blind, absolute obedience in crime are allowed to flourish with impunity.

6. We do not wish to exaggerate the masonic power by attributing to its direct and immediate action all the evils which presently preoccupy Us. However, you can clearly see its spirit in the facts which We have just recorded and in many others which We could recall. That spirit, which is the implacable enemy of Christ and of the Church, tries all ways, uses all arts, and prevails upon all means. It seizes from the Church its first-born daughter and seizes from Christ His favored nation, the seat of His Vicar on earth and the center of Catholic unity. To see the evil and efficacious influence of this spirit on our affairs, We have more than a few fleeting indications and the series of facts which have succeeded themselves for thirty years. Proud of its successes, the sect herself has spoken out and told us all its past accomplishments and future goals. It regards the public powers as its instruments, witting or not, which is to say that the impious sect boasts as one of its principal works the religious persecution which has troubled and is troubling our Italy. Though often executed by other hands, this persecution is inspired and promoted by masonry, in an immediate or mediate, direct or indirect manner, by flattery or threats, seduction or revolution.

7. The road is very short from religious to social ruin. The heart of man is no longer raised to heavenly hopes and loves; capable and needing the infinite, it throws itself insatiably on the goods of this earth. Inevitably there is a perpetual struggle of avid ions to enjoy, become rich, and rise. Then we encounter a large and inexhaustible source of grudges, discords, corruptions, and crimes. In our Italy there was no lack of moral and social disorders before the present events--but what a sorrowful spectacle we see in our days! That loving respect which forms domestic harmony is substantially diminished; paternal authority is too often unrecognized by children and parents alike. Disagreements are frequent, divorce common. Civil discords and resentful anger between the various orders increase every day in the cities. New generations which grew up in a spirit of misunderstood freedom are unleashed in the cities, generations which do not respect anything from above or below. The cities teem with incitements to vice, precocious crimes, and public scandals. The state should be content with the high and noble office of recognizing, protecting, and helping divine and human rights in their harmonious universality. Now, however, the state believes itself almost a judge and disowns these rights or restricts them at will. Finally, the general social order is undermined at its foundations. Books and journals, schools and universities, clubs and theaters, monuments and political discourse, photographs and the fine arts, everything conspires to pervert minds and corrupt hearts. Meanwhile the oppressed and suffering people tremble and the anarchic sects arouse themselves. The working classes raise their heads and go to swell the ranks of socialism, communism, and anarchy. Characters exhaust themselves and many souls, no longer knowing how to suffer nobly nor how to redeem themselves manfully, take their lives with cowardly suicide.

8. Such are the fruits which the masonic sect has borne to us Italians. And after that it yearns to come before you, extolling its merits towards Italy. It likewise yearns to give Us and all those who, heeding Our words, remain faithful to Jesus Christ, the calumnious title of enemies of the state. The facts reveal the merits of this guilty sect toward our peninsula, "merits" which bear repeating. The facts say that masonic patriotism is no less than sectarian egotism which yearns to dominate everything, particularly the modern states which unite and concentrate everything in their hands. The facts say that in the plans of masonry, the names of political independence, equality, civilization, and progress aimed to facilitate the independence of man from God in our country. From them, license of error and vice and union of faction at the expense of other citizens have grown. The easy and delicious enjoyment of life by the world's fortunate is nurtured in the same source. A people redeemed by divine blood have thus returned to divisions, corruptions, and the shames of paganism.

9. That does not surprise Us.--After nineteen centuries of Christian civilization, this sect tries to overthrow the Catholic Church and to cut off its divine sources. It absolutely denies the supernatural, repudiating every revelation and all the means of salvation which revelation shows us. Through its plans and works, it bases itself solely and entirely on such a weak and corrupt nature as ours. Such a sect cannot be anything other than the height of pride, greed, and sensuality. Now, pride oppresses, greed plunders, and sensuality corrupts. When these three concupiscences are brought to the extreme, the oppressions, greed, and seductive corruptions spread slowly. They take on boundless dimensions and become the oppression, plundering and source of corruption of an entire people.

10. Let Us then show you masonry as an enemy of God, Church, and country. Recognize it as such once and for all, and with all the weapons which reason, conscience, and faith put in your hands, defend yourselves from such a proud foe. Let no one be taken in by its attractive appearance or allured by its promises; do not be seduced by its enticements or frightened by its threats. that Christianity and masonry are essentially irreconcilable, such that to one is to divorce the other. You can no longer ignore such incompatibility between Catholic and mason, beloved children: you have been warned openly by Our predecessors, and We have loudly repeated the warning.

11. Those who, by some supreme misfortune, have given their name to one of these societies of perdition should know that they are strictly bound to separate themselves from it. Otherwise they must remain separated from Christian communion and lose their soul now and for eternity. Parents, teachers, godparents, and whoever has care of others should also know that a rigorous duty binds them to keep their wards from this guilty sect or to draw them from it if they have already entered.

12. In a matter of such importance and where the seduction is so easy in these times, it is urgent that the Christian watch himself from the beginning. He should fear the least danger, avoid every occasion, and take the greatest precautions. Use all the prudence of the serpent, while keeping in your heart the simplicity of the dove, according to the evangelical counsel. Fathers and mothers should be wary of inviting strangers into their homes or itting them to domestic intimacy, at least insofar as their faith is not sufficiently known. They should try to first ascertain that an astute recruiter of the sect does not hide himself in the guise of a friend, teacher, doctor or other benefactor. Oh, in how many families has the wolf penetrated in sheep's clothing!

13. It is beautiful to see the varied groups which arise everywhere today in every order of social life: worker groups, groups of mutual aid and social security, organizations to promote science, arts, letters, and other similar things. When they are inspired by a good moral and religious spirit, these groups certainly prove to be useful and proper. But because the masonic poison has penetrated and continues to penetrate here also, especially here, any groups that remove themselves from religious influence should be generally suspect. They can easily be directed and more or less dominated by masons, becoming the sowing- ground and the apprenticeship of the sect in addition to providing assistance to it.

14. Women should not philanthropic societies whose nature and purpose are not well-known without first seeking advice from wise and experienced people. That talkative philanthropy which is opposed to Christian charity with such pomp is often the port for masonic business.

15. Everyone should avoid familiarity or friendship with anyone suspected of belonging to masonry or to d groups. Know them by their fruits and avoid them. Every familiarity should be avoided, not only with those impious libertines who openly promote the character of the sect, but also with those who hide under the mask of universal tolerance, respect for all religions, and the craving to reconcile the maxims of the Gospel with those of the revolution. These men seek to reconcile Christ and Belial, the Church of God and the state without God

16. Every Christian should shun books and journals which distill the poison of impiety and which stir up the fire of unrestrained desires or sensual ions. Groups and reading clubs where the masonic spirit stalks its prey should be likewise shunned.

17. In addition, since we are dealing with a sect which has pervaded everything, it is not enough to remain on the defensive. We must courageously go out into the battlefield and confront it. That is what you will do, beloved children, opposing press to press, school to school, organization to organization, congress to congress, action to action.

18. Masonry has taken control of the public schools, leaving private schools, paternal schools, and those directed by zealous ecclesiastics and religious of both sexes to compete in the education of Christian youth. Christian parents especially should not entrust the education of their children to uncertain schools. Masonry has confiscated the inheritance of public charity; fill the void, then, with the treasure of private relief. It has placed pious works in the hands of its followers, so you should entrust those that depend on you to Catholic institutions. It opens and maintains houses of vice, leaving you to do what is possible to open and maintain shelters for honesty in danger. An anti-Christian press in religious and secular matters militates at its expense, so that your effort and money are required by the Catholic press. Masonry establishes societies of mutual help and credit unions for its partisans; you should do the same not only for your brothers but for all the indigent. This will show that true and sincere charity is the daughter of the One who makes the sun to rise and the rain to fall on the just man and sinner alike.

19. May this struggle between good and evil extend to everything, and may good prevail. Masonry holds frequent meetings to plan new ways to combat the Church, and you should hold them frequently to better agree on the means and order of defense. It multiplies its lodges, so that you should multiply Catholic clubs and parochial groups, promote charitable associations and prayer organizations, and maintain and increase the splendor of the temple of God. The sect, having nothing to fear, today shows its face to the light of day. You Italian Catholics should also make open profession of your faith and follow the example of your glorious ancestors who confessed their faith bravely before tyrants, torture, and death. What more? Does the sect try to enslave the Church and to put it at the feet of the state as a humble servant? You must then demand and claim for it the freedom and independence due it before the law. Does masonry seek to tear apart Catholic unity, sowing discord even in the clergy itself, arousing quarrels, fomenting strife, and inciting insubordination, revolt, and schism? By tightening the sacred bond of charity and obedience, you can thwart its plans, bring to naught its efforts, and disappoint its hopes. Be all of one heart and one mind, like the first Christians. Gathered around the See of Peter and united to your pastors, protect the supreme interests of Church and papacy, which are just as much the supreme interests of Italy and of all the Christian world. The Apostolic See has always been the inspirer and jealous guardian of Italian glory. Therefore, be Italians and Catholics, free and non-sectarian, faithful to the nation as well as to Christ and His visible Vicar. An anti-Christian and antipapal Italy would truly be opposed to the divine plan, and thus condemned to perish.

20. Beloved children, faith and state speak to you at this time through Us. Listen to their cry, arise together and fight manfully the battles of the Lord. May the number, boldness, and strength of the enemy not frighten you, because God is stronger than they; if God is for you, who can be against you?

21. Redouble your prayers so that God might be with you in a greater abundance of grace, fighting and triumphing with you. Accompany your prayers with the practice of the Christian virtues, especially charity toward the needy. Seek God's mercies with humility and perseverance, renewing every day the promises of your baptism.

22. As a pledge of these things and as a sign of Our paternal love, We bestow on you Our apostolic blessing, beloved children.

Given in Rome at Saint Peter's, the eighth day of December, 1892, in the fifteenth year of Our pontificate.

"Becuase 80% of allegations against the Catholic Church are true". Not to be hard on you, i think you are a lazy Catholic. Catholic Church is 2000 yrs old with 2000 yrs history. Has she made mistakes in the past yes, will she still make mistakes in the future, yes. Are 80% of "allegations" against RCC true, well i don't have to respond to that as you correctly pointed out that they are all "allegations".
The fact is that if you google or search Catholic Church on Youtube, you will be amazed what She has been alleged to be or have done, 666, LovePeddler of babylon, Illuminati, canibals, Hitler and Stalin ers, Killer of Science and etc. The truth is that its so easy to watch these clips or read a book by some discruntled ex-catholic priest or whoever, but to know the true and be a better judge, you have to hear Catholic Church's side of the story before you stamp your "80%" truth allegation theory. This is why i called you a "lazy Catholic" (no offence).
You see, i use to be like you few years ago with the " i don't do religion arguement" line until i was challanged to stand up for what i believe in and i started reading what the Catholic Church teaches and stands for and the history of the Church and Christianity. I will encourage you to start reading what your Church is all about and be able to defend it because 90% of the "allegation against the Church is just allegations with no substance what so ever when you challenge them.

Your question is very simple and a simple answer is Yes, RCC is the mother Church and the 1st Church. The last book in the NT was written probably between 80- 90 AD, during this period Clement was Pope ( refered to as Bishop of Rome) then, St Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch from 70 - 107 AD and he was the 1st person in Christian literature to attribute to the Church the adjective "Catholic" or Universal. He said that "where Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic Church."
At the same time, Pope Clement was sending a strong worded letter to the Church in Corinthian calling them to task when the elders in the church were deposed by some young contestants. It is worth noting that John the apostle was still alive and living in Asian manor the same time.
By all historial , up until the split between East and West around 1000 AD and the Catastrophic reformation 500 yrs later, their was only one Christian denomination and it was the Catholic Church. As Blessed Henry Newman said " To be deep in history is to stop being a protestant".

Did Christ ask anyone to write a bible?

Christ read the old testament and didn't remotely instruct or ask anyone to write another bible for that matter. 300 yrs after His acension, their was no book called new testament and yet there were millions of Christians then.

rabzy:

A good question for you also is, did the Christ ask you to celebrate his resurrection? why don't people stick to the scriptures and stop creating carnivals no scripture asked them to do.
why dont you do some research but you can start with this

“There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament,” states The Encyclopædia Britannica. How did Easter get started? It is rooted in pagan worship. While this holiday is supposed to commemorate Jesus’ resurrection, the customs associated with the Easter season are not Christian. For instance, concerning the popular “Easter bunny,” (you can see them in most easter cards)The Catholic Encyclopedia says: “The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility.

You see my friend, you can never forget the cross, and in Holy week leading to Easter Sunday, we remeber the agony Christ went through for our salvation and on Easter Sunday , we celebrate His resurection which is the only reason we are Christians today. If Christ did not rise on the 3rd day, their will be NO hope of salvation for mankind. Are you saying that this is not worth celebrating?

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Your mother church , not mine - thanks
Your HATRED for Catholic Church and anything associated with Catholic is sickening and quite frankly pathetic, and you do it out of love right!

Chei! See what Lurther has caused, anyone with internet access and Bible (depending on which version) think that he has the true interpretation ; that for 2000 yrs Catholic Church has been wrong (Holy Spirit MUST be in coma ).

So many people come on this forum and commit serious sins by what they write , it is better one keep his or her mouth shut when they don't know or not sure of what they are saying. You see, having internet access does not make one a Theologian with deep knowledge of God and Scriptures, you just have internet access simple.

I read it 3 years ago and it completely changed my life. Hiighly recomended! Think i still have the electronic copy and can send it to anyone that wants to read it,. Just inbox me.
Blessings.

I thought he resigned to avoid arrest

Very tired topic..Next!

codeaddict:
I don't need to explain the Big B'a'n'g theory to you. It's already been dissected in many threads on this forum.
I guess the fact that you can't comprehend the Big B'a'n'g theory is reason enough for you to stick to the biblical story. Stop trying to taunt enlightened persons to explain it to you. Stick to what your brain can process easily - the bible!

Since you are quite conversant with the Big B.a.n.g theory, my guess is that you are aware that Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, a Catholic priest came up with the idea of a Big B.a.n.g.

ifeness:

Are you aware that dinosaurs co existed with humans millions of years ago. Their foot prints have been discovered as a valid proof . You can look up if you wish. That alone debunks your claim that god created the universe in 7 days.

So you agree that theory of evolution is wrong then. Evolution theory argues that it was more than 60million years after the extinction of Dinasaurs that humans started to evolve.

If their is ever a story that is not worth reading, it is this absolutel, incredibly dumb article. Do you really think that mainstream media will waste 2 seconds in reporting this if it is authentic? Are you that desperate to bash Catholic Church that you have to Google a dumb, made up story? Next!

The truth is finally coming out.


http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/09/hitlers-pope-pius-xii-holocaust

Finally, the truth we have always known is coming out .


http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/09/hitlers-pope-pius-xii-holocaust

Some people should be banned from public forum for their raw ignorance. I have never seen one single priest that said he was/is being forced to be celibate. It's like saying that a footballer is forced to kick the ball. It takes an average of 15 years to become a priest from secondary school. All through this period, the would be priest is aware of what the requirements are ; chastity , poverty and obedience ,and you are allowed to leave the seminary at any time if you think that it is not your call. Even as a priest you can still leave the priesthood if you so wish. So your claim doesn't hold water and very laughable too.

I know a number of men and women who spent year s in the seminary, monastery and convent and left because religious life is not their vocation. Most of them are married with kids now. My point is that not one single man or woman is forced to be celibate, you have to be celibate before you become a priest and not the other way round.

Neddivine: Anyigala:

Sorry, but you are not making sense.


No I won't make sense to u cos I'm not addressing u.I'm addressing those who have the cloak removed enough from their eyes to see that catholics are unconsciously deeply invoved in idol worship.

I still maintain, with all due respect, that your initial write up makes no sense or has any substance, It's full of assumptions. When you get some hard historical facts to disprove all I have said , then I will engage you on a debate.
Before then, I suggest you read some of the writing of the Church Fathers in the 1st to 5 centuries and decide for yourself if the Church actually committed theological or biblical errors in her teachings.