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QuinQ:


Just like amimals don't know they are naked - doesn't mean he had animal BRAIN!!

So Adam was naked like an animal and had a child's brain of not knowing good and bad and your God still told him to obey him?

Truthseeker10:

So Adam was naked like an animal and had a child's brain of not knowing good and bad and your God still told him to obey him?

At times i just sit down and laugh at their gymnastics when they fail to grasp what they read in the Bible.

How can Adam be like an animal and had a child's brain yet he was cursed for it if that's truly how he was created?

Janosky:

Phillipians 2:6 Bill mounce Greek interlinear is very different from ANY Trinitarian rendition you think of.

Screenshot evidence:
"Christ did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped."

Paul the apostle @Phil 2:6 s 1 Corinthians 11:3 & Jesus teaching of John 14:28 which is in conflicting against Trinitarian rendition of Phil 2:6.
Oga, you are doing the same thing you make accusations against.

Using the very translation you quoted,

Philippians 2:6 states, "Who, being in his very nature God.." Other translations say, "Who exists in the form of God..."

Phil 2:
6 Who, being in his very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing [willfully downgraded himself tem
porarily to accept human nature] by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Jesus has the nature of God. That's why he is God. He is worshipped by angels. Angel cannot worship angel. Abi you have not read my previous verses where bible said God [the father] has put all things under Jesus. And all things must bow including all things on earth, in heaven and all things below the earth.

The king James version rather says, "who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery [was not offended to be temporarily deprived his godly nature] to be equal with God, but made himself"

JW have human nature and are considered human. JW exist in human form - not in animal form or angel form or God form. So we cannot consider them animal or angel.

Michael exists in form of angel. Jesus exists in form of God. Moses existed in form of man.

The Transfiguration of Jesus as described in Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-10, and Luke 9:28-36 shows the appearance of Moses, Elijah to Jesus and the apostles. How then is Jesus=Moses and yet appearing as two distinct persons on the mount to the view of Peter and other apostles.

JW for the last time, be warned! Desist from the error of your elders

Ruke1991:


Using the very translation you quoted,

Philippians 2:6 states, "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but rather emptied himself, taking on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men

Christ has the nature of God. That's why he is God

The king James version rather says, "who being in the form of God..."

JW have human nature and are considered human. JW exist in human form - not in animal form or angel form or God form. So we cannot consider them animal or angel.

Michael exists in form of angel. Jesus exists in form of God. Moses existed in form of man.

The Transfiguration of Jesus as described in Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-10, and Luke 9:28-36 shows the appearance of Moses, Elijah to Jesus and the apostles. How then is Jesus=Moses and yet appearing as two distinct persons on the mount to the view of Peter and other apostles.

JW for the last time, be warned! Desist from the error of your elders

Guy Jesus is Archangel Michael!

Truthseeker10:

So Adam was naked like an animal and had a child's brain of not knowing good and bad and your God still told him to obey him?

Something is wrong with this guy. Why do you keep repeating back to me what I said?
YES, you can tell an innocent child not to do something; you can even teach a dog not to do something. Has nothing to do with knowing bad from good

Janosky:

Oga, did Peter the apostle ever make reference to archangel in any of the verses of the holy Bible?

That's the whole point Oga! Neither did Christ nor any of the apostles! Peter answered "You are THE Son of the living God" NOT "You are an Archangel"

Truthseeker10:
tomorrow you would claim that we cannot comprehend God...but here you are.
Tell us how two people can dwell in somebody and simultaneously dwell in other people.

Aemmyjah:

Lol
Jesus talking to himself to sit beside himself and being in the Father himself is literal to you
But Jesus and himself Father dwelling in someone is not literal

Mr comprehension

Are you people ok at all? That's the whole point! You didn't try to reason all that, yet you try to reason how Jesus and His Father can be one or how Jesus can "sit beside Himself". Non of it would make sense in the literal human way of reasoning!
THAT IS THE POINT!!!

QuinQ:


That's the whole point Oga! Neither did Christ nor any of the apostles! Peter answered "You are THE Son of the living God" NOT "You are an Archangel"




Are you people ok at all? That's the whole point! You didn't try to reason all that, yet you try to reason how Jesus and His Father can be one or how Jesus can "sit beside Himself". Non of it would make sense in the literal human way of reasoning!
THAT IS THE POINT!!!

Stop beating around the forest?
Is Jesus Jehovah?
Is Jesus the Father?
If Yes, who did Jesus pray to? Himself?

Aemmyjah:


Stop beating around the forest?
Is Jesus Jehovah?
Is Jesus the Father?
If Yes, who did Jesus pray to? Himself?

First answer me, how can Jesus and the Father be ONE and how can they simultaneously dwell in people all over tha place??
These, like your rudimentary questions, are not answerable from human perspective!

QuinQ:

First answer me, how can Jesus and the Father be ONE and how can they simultaneously dwell in people all over tha place??
These, like your rudimentary questions, are not answerable from human perspective!

Not answerable yet you want to accuse others for not agreeing with you!

QuinQ:


First answer me, how can Jesus and the Father be ONE and how can they simultaneously dwell in people all over tha place??
These, like your rudimentary questions, are not answerable from human perspective!

Please study John 17:22 & solve this matter.


Jesus Christ, the disciples and God are one.
Jesus Christ said so.


Case closed.

Ruke1991:


Using the very translation you quoted,

Philippians 2:6 states, "Who, being in his very nature God.." Other translations say, "Who exists in the form of God..."

Phil 2:
6 Who, being in his very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing [willfully downgraded himself tem
porarily to accept human nature] by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Jesus has the nature of God. That's why he is God. He is worshipped by angels. Angel cannot worship angel. Abi you have not read my previous verses where bible said God [the father] has put all things under Jesus. And all things must bow including all things on earth, in heaven and all things below the earth.

The king James version rather says, "who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery [was not offended to be temporarily deprived his godly nature] to be equal with God, but made himself"

Greek Philippians 2:6
"Who although was in the form (morphé) of God."
did NOT regard equality with God a thing to be grasped"
Jesus & Paul his convert confirmed that Jesus Christ had no equality with God his Father, 1 Cor 11:3, John 14:28.

The Greek word phusis meaning "nature" is NOT in any Greek manuscript of Philippians 2:6.

Please check here & confirm.
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/physis


Your Trinitarian rendition of Philippians 2:6 is NOT correct.
The Trinitarians REMOVED morphé meaning form & ADDED "nature."
"Thought it not robbery" (KJV), is not in the Greek manuscript.
Na so wayo take dey start dey deceive people.


Oga, check the screenshot evidence of Mounce Greek interlinear word for word of Philippians 2:6 & NOTICE the difference conflicting against all your Trinitarian biased versions you quoted.

Janosky:


Please study John 17:22 & solve this matter.


Jesus Christ, the disciples and God are one.
Jesus Christ said so.


Case closed.

So there you go. You answered your own questions

Maximus692:

Not answerable yet you want to accuse others for not agreeing with you!

Who is accusing you of anything?? Jesus Christ is God. Either you believe it or you don't. Case closed

Ruke1991:


Jesus has the nature of God.
That's why he is God.

Oga, does everyone dwelling in your house have or share your nature?
Yes
Oga, what is your nature?
Human nature.
God is a Spirit .
God is a title for the Spirit, Supreme Being higher than every other spirit.
Every being dwelling in heaven have the nature of God..
No need for Maggi or mede mede.
Case settled.

Ruke1991:

He is worshipped by angels. Angel cannot worship angel.

No Sir.
Revelation 1:1.
Revelation 3:12.
Revelation 19:10= Matthew 4:10, Worship the God Almighty ALONE not his son Jesus.

Ruke1991:

Abi you have not read my previous verses where bible said God [the father] has put all things under Jesus. And all things must bow including all things on earth, in heaven and all things below the earth.

Greek word kampto, meaning "bend your knee to give honour, respect" NOT worship. Romans 11:4, Phil 2:10.

Ruke1991:

The king James version rather says, "who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery [was not offended to be temporarily deprived his godly nature] to be equal with God, but made himself"

"Thought it not robbery " this expression is NOT in the Greek manuscript.
God's command says "Do NOT go beyond the things written ".

Ruke1991:

JW have human nature and are considered human. JW exist in human form - not in animal form or angel form or God form. So we cannot consider them animal or angel.
Michael exists in form of angel. Jesus exists in form of God. Moses existed in form of man.

Every being dwelling in the same realm share the same nature.
God is a title of the Spirit Supreme above other Spirits.
The nature of the Supreme Spirit is the same nature of God.

Ruke1991:

The Transfiguration of Jesus as described in Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-10, and Luke 9:28-36 shows the appearance of Moses, Elijah to Jesus and the apostles. How then is Jesus=Moses and yet appearing as two distinct persons on the mount to the view of Peter and other apostles.

In the of the Transfiguration, the Voice from heaven identified Jesus as the son of God.
Jesus and Moses performed the same role of prophet and deliverer, Acts 3:19-23.
As We say in English ,"Man is a god to his fellow man."

Ruke1991:

JW for the last time, be warned! Desist from the error of your elders

JW's let the holy scriptures defend God's word, the very thing janosky has done on this topic.

QuinQ:


Who is accusing you of anything?? Jesus Christ is God. Either you believe it or you don't. Case closed

No entity at all can be God to another Being he is worshipping.

Revelation 3:12 , Oga in the spiritual realm is Jesus Christ a Worshipper?
Yes.

@Hebrew 6:13, in the spiritual realm did Jehovah God swear by Jesus Christ?
No.
Because Jehovah God ALONE is Almighty, Jesus Christ his Son is NOT God.
Please no dey deceive yourself.

QuinQ:


*People are named Michael today
*There is a huge difference between knowing the difference between good and bad and CHOOSING to do good, and not knowing the difference at all to start with
*My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus. Stop disgracing yourself and making me little angry. Michael was a servant, a messenger. That's all. Hence the Devil told Jesus His Father would send His angels (Michael) to make sure His toe did not strike upon a rock (if He threw Himself down)

People are also named Jesus till this very day.
The name Joshua is the same as Jesus.

Janosky:


No entity at all can be God to another Being he is worshipping.

Revelation 3:12 , Oga in the spiritual realm is Jesus Christ a Worshipper?
Yes.

@Hebrew 6:13, in the spiritual realm did Jehovah God swear by Jesus Christ?
No.
Because Jehovah God ALONE is Almighty, Jesus Christ his Son is NOT God.
Please no dey deceive yourself.

Here is the ultimate question:
HOW DO YOU KNOW??!!
Answer: YOU DON'T!!!
Not only don't you know how the spiritual realm works, you are INCAPABLE of grasping how the spiritual realm works!!
It is like somehow whose entire world and thinking is limited to straight lines trying to understand a sphere!

Janosky:


People are also named Jesus till this very day.
The name Joshua is the same as Jesus.

He was saying Jesus was not named Michael because it is name belonging to the spiritual realm

Emusan:


So the NATURE OF GOD DOESN'T MAKE GOD TO BE GOD, then what make God to be God?



Good which means I can say the truth.



@color-red: Re-read what you wrote again and again to see it doesn't make any sense.

@color-blue: It's good as you acknowledge the usage of the imperfect verb "WAS" as being used.

The intent of the author is to convey the NATURE of the WORD. So, God is the Word will be wrong but THE WORD WAS GOD which is about NATURE.

Any interpretation other than this is fraudulent.

Also, I like how you also acknowledge that Jesus was the foundation of the CREATION which means He wasn't CREATED.

Which means Jesus is God because Only God is UNCREATED.



One thing very astonish about you people when it comes to this verse is lack of simple comprehension or basic English.

This verse is the one that boldly says JESUS IS EQUAL TO GOD but IT DIDN'T CONSIDER THIS EQUALITY SOMETHING TO BE TAKEN BY FORCE because He already HAS IT then HUMBLED HIMSELF.

Below is how @grok explained it.

The challenge for you is to look for a good English teacher who is neither a Christian nor familiar with Bible, give the person this verse to explain what it means to you. Then come and gist me.

Also, the fact that this verse equivocally says Jesus HAVING "THE FORM(NATURE) OF GOD" shows Jesus is God which the author later affirmed.



Read the two @color-red side by side to see how illogical it sounds.

If The Son isn't EQUAL TO THE FATHER he can't say people should HONOR HIM JUST AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER.

The assignment for you here, walk to any person you know is older than you and respect your dad/mum in your area and tell the person "Sir/Ma, I want you to be respecting me JUST AS you do respect my dad/mum"

Let's see how the person will react.

Or better still, let any guy you're older than ask you to be respecting him JUST AS you do respect his mum/dad, if you will not beat hell out of the person.

You have to REMOVE Hebrew 6:13 , John 14:28&
1 Corinthians 11:3 from your Bible to prop up that script you invented.


Jesus Christ,the disciples and Jehovah God share the same nature, John 17:22.

NO OTHER Being share the same status with Jehovah God, Paul and Jesus Christ said so.

QuinQ:


Here is the ultimate question:
HOW DO YOU KNOW??!!
Answer: YOU DON'T!!!
Not only don't you know how the spiritual realm works, you are INCAPABLE of grasping how the spiritual realm works!!
It is like somehow whose entire world and thinking is limited to straight lines trying to understand a sphere!

QuinQ,
So you know spiritual realm more than Jesus Christ @
Revelation 3:12 ?


Oga,so you know spiritual realm more than the spirit led apostle Paul inspired to pen Hebrew 6:13?


Oga, that copy of your Bible you cherish so much, do you have Revelation 3:12 & Hebrew 6:13 in it?

Please STOP DECEIVING yourself.

QuinQ:


He was saying Jesus was not named Michael because it is name belonging to the spiritual realm

I have never heard any other being called Archangel Michael.
There's only one in the holy scriptures.

Truthseeker10:

The concept of God is beyond human capacity and you are teaching me that Jesus has a lower peak of divinity yet he is divine as the Father? Na wa oo😂😂

Polytheism dey deceive them.
Hebrew 6:13 Dem no fit REMOVE am..

Janosky:

Oga, does everyone dwelling in your house have or share your nature?
Yes
Oga, what is your nature?
Human nature.
God is a Spirit .
God is a title for the Spirit, Supreme Being higher than every other spirit.
Every being dwelling in heaven have the nature of God..
No need for Maggi or mede mede.
Case settled.


No Sir.
Revelation 1:1.
Revelation 3:12.
Revelation 19:10= Matthew 4:10, Worship the God Almighty ALONE not his son Jesus.

Greek word kampto, meaning "bend your knee to give honour, respect" NOT worship. Romans 11:4, Phil 2:10.


"Thought it not robbery " this expression is NOT in the Greek manuscript.
God's command says "Do NOT go beyond the things written ".

Every being dwelling in the same realm share the same nature.
God is a title of the Spirit Supreme above other Spirits.
The nature of the Supreme Spirit is the same nature of God.

In the of the Transfiguration, the Voice from heaven identified Jesus as the son of God.
Jesus and Moses performed the same role of prophet and deliverer, Acts 3:19-23.
As We say in English ,"Man is a god to his fellow man."




JW's let the holy scriptures defend God's word, the very thing janosky has done on this topic.

The greek text is "morphe" which means "form". And that texts in Phil 2:6 word for word greek translation reads:

"who existing in the form of God, not something to be grasped, considered - to be equal with God".

The fact that Jesus is God is not something Paul expected JW will find so hard to grasp- but it's disappointing.

The word form is "morphe". So before you start attacking words. I cited other translation using that word "form" as well. Use this bible gateway link and see the original greek texts in full word for word interpretation.
https://biblehub.com/text/philippians/2-6.htm

The Bible says that angels worship Jesus.
Hebrews 1:6 states, "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.'" worship here is greek word for worship ("proskynēsatōsan". So what are you going to do now?

Bending your knees down before any spirit is actually an act of worship. That's why Ex 20:5,6 instructs us not to bow down to any gods or serve them. Stop confusing your culture with Jewish culture. Jewish obeisance has nothing to do with bowing down your knees as .modecai resisted that for the very reason that Jews consider it idolatry to bow down to any other except God. In Jewish context which is bible context, bowing down to any spirit or creature is worship not obeisance

Heaven is not a house - it's beyond that. A complete study of the book of revelation reveals the fact that heaven has God, angels, healing trees, and even beasts that worship God. Those beasts are clearly defined has having face and features of animals eg lion. So we cannot say everything in heaven takes on thesame form of existence. All living things in heaven have different forms of life ie God, angels, 24 elders (whatever it means), beasts, trees. They all exist in the spirit realm just like how humans, animals, trees are different life forms here on the physical realm

Janosky:

Quin,
So you know spiritual realm more than Jesus Christ @
Revelation 3:12 ?


Oga,so you know spiritual realm more than the spirit led apostle Paul inspired to pen Hebrew 6:13?


Oga, that copy of your Bible you cherish so much, do you have Revelation 3:12 & Hebrew 6:13 in it?

Please STOP DECEIVING yourself.

You are quoting indirect things.
Here are statements Jesus Christ made directly to everyone around (not indirectly to one person as in your quotes), so everyone heard Him DIRECTLY:

** I and the Father are one

** The Father is in Me and I am in the Father

** Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

Janosky:


I have never heard any other being called Archangel Michael.
There's only one in the holy scriptures.

I don't think you know the question. The question is why wasn't Jesus named Michael

QuinQ:

Who is accusing you of anything?? Jesus Christ is God. Either you believe it or you don't. Case closed

This is what you supposed to do since!
I don't believe Jesus is God and i will never believe such nonsense rather i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael. Case closed!

QuinQ:

I don't think you know the question. The question is why wasn't Jesus named Michael

Even the name Isaiah foretold wasn't the one given him: "Emmanuel" Isaiah 7:14

So the name he bear among his fellow angels can't be the same he will bear as human. Simple.

QuinQ:

He was saying Jesus was not named Michael because it is name belonging to the spiritual realm

Don't lie nah!
When did i say this?
What i told you is the name Michael the only begotten son of God bear in heaven but here among humans he bears Jesus.

Of course people bear both names nah!

QuinQ:


You are quoting indirect things.
Here are statements Jesus Christ made directly to everyone around (not indirectly to one person as in your quotes), so everyone heard Him DIRECTLY:

** I and the Father are one

** The Father is in Me and I am in the Father

** Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus imitated his heavenly father's fine qualities that is why those who carefully observed his behavior said he is God's Son {Matthew 16:16} Paul onished his fellow believers to imitate God the same way Jesus did so that onlookers can see godly qualities in them! Ephesians 5:1 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

So according to Jesus and Paul whoever carefully observes true Christians he or she has seen God in action:

APOPTOSIS:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and s.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract to their church and the will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:

well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:

They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Can anyone deny what these people are saying? Luke 19:40 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

Janosky:


I have never heard any other being called Archangel Michael.
There's only one in the holy scriptures.

oga archangel na rank for heaven.

My own name is Michael