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Gabrielshow24:

All what you are positing is based on perception - observer effect

When someone enters the event horizon of a black hole, he/she doesn't feel anything spectacular but an external observer will see the object stop even though in fact at some point in time the person has crossed into the horizon!!!

The effect of eternity is based on an observer effect.

We perceive them in that state after all there is no time!!!

Irrespective of the time and effect, my position is still valid and my reasoning of the subject matter sound until such a time when I am disproved by superior arguments.

Nnamdipapa:


Irrespective of the time and effect, my position is still valid and my reasoning of the subject matter sound until such a time when I am disproved by superior arguments.

valid?
You failed to answer my question,
Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents?

Was it bad that you came through them?

And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife?

After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!!

The outcomes are predetermined, the choice is yours to make!!!

Why don't you complain to UEFA? that disqualified teams shouldn't leave, they should continue to play on!!!

When there are set rules!!!
Or should UEFA because of sympathy allow man city to proceed when the rules clearly goes against them!!!

Love and Justice go hand in hand!!!
You like to appeal to the lovely side but fail to accommodate the Justice aspects of God.

There are rules, predetermined rules!!!
Anything not part of God can't live after all God is life!!!

Or can you survive without oxygen?
If it's not found won't you die?

Was it of your making?
Was it not a predetermined rule?

You can now choose to deny yourself oxygen and die!!!
Is it oxygen's fault?

The eternal aspect is based on observer effect due to the absence of time!!!

Gabrielshow24:


valid?
You failed to answer my question,
Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents?

Was it bad that you came through them?

And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife? [b][/b]

After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!!

The outcomes are predetermined, the choice is yours to make!!!

Why don't you complain to UEFA? that disqualified teams shouldn't leave, they should continue to play on!!!

When there are set rules!!!
Or should UEFA because of sympathy allow man city to proceed when the rules clearly goes against them!!!

Love and Justice go hand in hand!!!
You like to appeal to the lovely side but fail to accommodate the Justice aspects of God.

There are rules, predetermined rules!!!
Anything not part of God can't live after all God is life!!!

Or can you survive without oxygen?
If it's not found won't you die?

Was it of your making?
Was it not a predetermined rule?

You can now choose to deny yourself oxygen and die!!!
Is it oxygen's fault?

The eternal aspect is based on observer effect due to the absence of time!!!

Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents?

Was it bad that you came through them?

And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife?

After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!!

All of the above still reinforce my stand of no free will, you are even helping make my arguments so, whether I like my parents or not, I had no say in the decision to be born by them and freewill is right out of the window. i never for once regret coming through them as I do not make it an habit of regretting events outside my sphere of control.

Love and justice have nothing to do with the free will of a man to make decision either to accept Christ or burn in an eternal Hell prepared by a God who allowed Satan to come into the garden of Eden in the first place.

Nnamdipapa:


This one is very interesting and I will attempt to address the points raised by you.

Starting with your first point, a just judge does not impose an infinite punishment (eternal damnation) for a finite crime (a lifetime of disbelief or sin). In human justice systems, punishments are proportionate to the crime. If a judge sentenced someone to eternal torture for stealing, we would call that judge unjust. So why is God just when He punishes people infinitely for a finite lifetime of mistakes or disbelief?

Between slapping a Judge and slapping a class room teacher which carries a higher punishment and why?

Moreover, if God is all-powerful, He does not need a "payment" to forgive—He could simply forgive out of mercy, as humans are expected to do. The idea that God "must" punish sin contradicts His supposed omnipotence.

The scripture says righteousness and justice are the habitation of God's throne.
Psalms 97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne.

God is a God of character, as a righteous and just God he will never allow sinners go unpunished.

Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Comparing God to a rejected lover fails because in human relationships, rejection does not result in eternal torment. If a woman rejects a man, she does not get sentenced to lifelong suffering; she simply moves on. A loving God would not say, "Love me, or burn forever." That is not love—it is coercion.

when you reject light, who would you blame for getting darkness? When a woman reject a man she is not entitled in sharing marital love with that man.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
God is love, rejecting him means rejecting love and that only means one thing a loveless existence for all of eternity.

If a drowning man rejects a life jacket, he dies naturally. But in this analogy, God is not simply allowing natural consequences —He is actively creating the rules of salvation and punishment. If He designed the system, why make rejection of the "life jacket" (Christ) result in eternal suffering instead of just letting people cease to exist?

You seem not to understand the life jacket represent God, the sea or river represents sin, rejecting God means we drown in sin.
God's rules are just, it is just for you to have darkness when you reject light, to have misery and torment when you reject love and goodness.
The rules of salvation are according to God's righteousness and loving nature. He made the rules that without life jacket a man may drown, It is only just for you to reap what you sow.
Eternal suffering is a result of sin.

person who rejects debt forgiveness may face financial ruin, but they are not tortured forever. The difference here is that God’s punishment is not just "ruin"—it is eternal suffering. If a person does not believe in Christ, why is the only alternative infinite torment rather than a neutral consequence?

financial ruin is torture, do you know the torment people whose finances are totally ruined go through?
What do you mean by neutral punishment?
Why will a judge sentence a murderer to life in prisonment if it only took 5 mins to murder a man? Hope you see your logic

Choosing between light and darkness assumes all people have a clear and equal understanding of the truth. But people are born into different religions, cultures, and beliefs. Why would a just God punish people who never had a real chance to know Him? If He truly desires everyone to be saved, why make the system so ambiguous and dependent on specific religious knowledge?
Saying hell is simply "separation from God" does not remove the problem—it reinforces it. If God is the source of all goodness, [/b]then punishing people by removing His presence is deliberately inflicting suffering.[/b] A loving God would not say, "You are free to reject me, but if you do, I will make sure you suffer for eternity." That is not free will—it is an ultimatum.

You must be joking, why should God continue to force himself on people who rejected him? When a woman reject you do you continue to hang around her? GOD removing His presence is what causes the torment in hell.
You can not reject love and still continue to recieve love, it will be unjust. God can never be unjust.

every human have a form of knowledge of God even though imperfect but enough to draw them to him.

A truly loving and just God would not create a system where the only choices are worship me or suffer eternally. That is not free will; that is divine blackmail. If salvation is truly about love, then rejecting it should not result in infinite suffering—it should simply mean non-existence or a less severe consequence.

Why would God create an unjust system? God is love rejecting God means rejecting love itself.
You seem not to understand that love, peace wisdom, etc are all attributes of God.

You cannot reject God and still expect God to someone how force himself on you, that becomes unjust and unloving.

You seem to forget that care is part of love.
Rejecting God's love means rejecting his care such a person would justly be abandoned for all of eternity.

Nnamdipapa:


Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents?

Was it bad that you came through them?

And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife?

After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!!

All of the above still reinforce my stand of no free will, you are even helping make my arguments so, whether I like my parents or not, I had no say in the decision to be born by them and freewill is right out of the window. i never for once regret coming through them as I do not make it an habit of regretting events outside my sphere of control.

Love and justice have nothing to do with the free will of a man to make decision either to accept Christ or burn in an eternal Hell prepared by a God who allowed Satan to come into the garden of Eden in the first place.

I didn't say of man, but of God as touching love and Justice!!!

Now,I hope predetermined overheads are not your problem right? 🤨

Or are you angry that you didn't choose to breathe in mercury? 🤨

Or were you conscious before you were born!!

Does your life(conscious) not start from your inception?

So what problem do you have with free will?
It's just like you saying a man is annoyed he didn't get to invent newton's three laws? That's beyond him and he doesn't have the power to change it, due to the forward stream of time!!!

Hence within the scope of your life and function you have free will!!!

Steep:
You seem to forget that care is part of love.
Rejecting God's love means rejecting his care such a person would justly be abandoned for all of eternity.

Not abandoned but sent to a hell prepared by God for such a purpose according to your Bible. A hell prepared to threaten people into accepting Christ.

Gabrielshow24:

I didn't say of man, but of God as touching love and Justice!!!

Now,I hope predetermined overheads are not your problem right? 🤨

Or are you angry that you didn't choose to breathe in mercury? 🤨

Or were you conscious before you were born!!

Does your life(conscious) not start from your inception?

So what problem do you have with free will?
It's just like you saying a man is annoyed he didn't get to invent newton's three laws? That's beyond him and he doesn't have the power to change it, due to the forward stream of time!!!

Hence within the scope of your life and function you have free will!!!

You are simply making allusions that are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. There is nothing in my write up that is remotely suggestive of my being angry over anything and would appreciate if we stick to topic since I never believe in the creationist story to start with. You cannot project your beliefs and indoctrinated fears on me my friend.

Also, my life starting when I was born has nothing to add or subtract from the argument of free will to accept or reject God. Since we are all under threats of hell if we reject God, I maintain my position that free will is an illusion, a farce and the concept totally ridiculous when examined in the lights of the Christian Bible.

Nnamdipapa:


You are simply making allusions that are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. There is nothing in my write up that is remotely suggestive of my being angry over anything and would appreciate if we stick to topic since I never believe in the creationist story to start with. You cannot project your beliefs and indoctrinated fears on me my friend.

Also, my life starting when I was born has nothing to add or subtract from the argument of free will to accept or reject God. Since we are all under threats of hell if we reject God, I maintain my position that free will is an illusion, a farce and the concept totally ridiculous when examined in the lights of the Christian Bible.

Am not projecting,
Contrary to evidence, I am using rhetorical questions to show you the concept of free will!!!

Free will stems from "you".
Whether there are predetermined rules or overheads it doesn't matter.

All that matters is that consequences arise from your decision.

If you can't see that , my friend there's nothing to discuss.

You just want to blame God for your problems and avoid ability!!!

Gabrielshow24:

Am not projecting,
Contrary to evidence, I am using rhetorical questions to show you the concept of free will!!!

Free will stems from "you".
Whether there are predetermined rules or overheads it doesn't matter.

All that matters is that consequences arise from your decision.

If you can't see that , my friend there's nothing to discuss.

You just want to blame God for your problems and avoid ability!!!

Stating that the concept of " freewill" is an illusion does not necessarily infer or connote a blame on God, It just means freewill does not exist if we are doomed to hell for rejecting God's offer in the Bible as Free will is the ability of individuals to make choices that are not predetermined by external forces, fate, or divine intervention. It is central to human agency, moral responsibility, and personal autonomy.

Nnamdipapa:


It is a part of your will but never a freewill.

Will means "free" to want or to choose.

And it does not extend to the magnitude or limitation of your choice.

Eg graduates will exercise their will in choosing shell, NNPC and all but as people have said, it is still the exercise of their free will to choose working as Uber or Keke drivers or barbers or in one man's business where they are paid N25k with insalts or not to work at all and be collecting insalts from their parents.

It is still free will even if the choices of wills are stiff.

Nnamdipapa:

Not abandoned but sent to a hell prepared by God for such a purpose according to your Bible. A hell prepared to threaten people into accepting Christ.

Satan is a highly intelligent being who has studied humans for thousands of years so he knows how to manipulate things when it comes to their thinking faculty.
First of all the only punishment for sin is death (a return to non-existence) God is happy seeing His creations flourish and cohabiting peacefully to His glory but when any of them is going astray He extends a helping hand to correct the straying one not to worsen their condition for that brings Him no pleasure.
A return to non-existence (death) puts the sinner in a condition where he or she becomes completely inactive and that solves the problem:

For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Romans 6:7

When the living person dies there is not a single thing he or she could do again {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so the only hope such a person has is a call back to life and God only has the names of good people in His memory as for those who chose to be evil deliberately they have had all their share in God's gift (life) they will never be ed during resurrection! Psalms 9:17

Nnamdipapa:


Not abandoned but sent to a hell prepared by God for such a purpose according to your Bible. A hell prepared to threaten people into accepting Christ.

you are just grasping at straws. Hell is God's jail for sinners and a place where people who reject God finally get what they wanted, which is a place without God.
If a tenant's house rents expires do you continue to allow them stay in your house? Rather you throw them out.

God is throwing out all that reject him.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Also called outer darkness.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Darkness is absence of light and God is light.


You have zero argument and your accusation of threat s baseless.

Steep:
you are just grasping at straws. Hell is God's jail for sinners and a place where people who reject God finally get what the wanted, which is a place without God.
If a tenants house rents expires do you continue to allow them stay in your house? Rather you throw them out.

God is throwing out all that reject him.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Also called outer darkness.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Darkness is absence of light and God is light.


You have zero argument and your accusation of threat s baseless.

Ok, people like you never try to reason just for one once, and you will blame our leaders tomorrow. It is easier for you to quote a book, even if you know nothing about the origin, than to actually think for a minute. It is a sorry, sad state of things in which we find ourselves.

Gabrielshow24:
➜ valid? You failed to answer my question, Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents? Was it bad that you came through them? And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife? After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!! The outcomes are predetermined, the choice is yours to make!!!
➜ Why don't you complain to UEFA? that disqualified teams shouldn't leave, they should continue to play on!!! When there are set rules!!!
Or should UEFA because of sympathy allow man city to proceed when the rules clearly goes against them!!! Love and Justice go hand in hand!!! You like to appeal to the lovely side but fail to accommodate the Justice aspects of God. There are rules, predetermined rules!!!
Anything not part of God can't live after all God is life!!! Or can you survive without oxygen? If it's not found won't you die? Was it of your making? Was it not a predetermined rule? You can now choose to deny yourself oxygen and die!!! Is it oxygen's fault? The eternal aspect is based on observer effect due to the absence of time!!!

1. What outcomes are predetermined?

2. You seem to be all over the place abeg! Can you please land?

Kobojunkie:
1. What outcomes are predetermined?

2. You seem to be all over the place abeg! Can you please land?

How hard is it, that you can't comprehend? 🤨

I'm talking about the predetermined outcomes such as "going to Heaven when you are found in God" and "going to hell when not found".

The same way everyone knows the winner of the final carries the cup!!!

And concerning the oxygen analogy.
It's predetermined because you and I didn't choose to breathe in oxygen, we rather found ourselves at its mercy.

If op had wanted he could have decided to breathe mercury!!!

Now that's why oxygen is a predetermined overhead because just like his parents he didn't choose it!!!

Gabrielshow24:
➜How hard is it, that you can't comprehend? 🤨 I'm talking about the predetermined outcomes such as "going to Heaven when you are found in God" and "going to hell when not found".
➜ The same way everyone knows the winner of the final carries the cup!!! And concerning the oxygen analogy.
➜ It's predetermined because you and I didn't choose to breathe in oxygen, we rather found ourselves at its mercy. If op had wanted he could have decided to breathe mercury!!! Now that's why oxygen is a predetermined overhead because just like his parents, he didn't choose it!!!

As proclaimed by which God?

2. Do you mean the game is never rigged to give the trophy instead to the losing team?

3. Huh? Can we please get back on the same page as what OP said and drop these ridiculous attempts at changing the original question?

Kobojunkie:
As proclaimed by which God?

2. Do you mean the game is never rigged to give the trophy instead to the losing team?

3. Huh? Can we please get back on the same page as what OP said and drop these ridiculous attempts at changing the original question?

You are the one looking for complexity where there is none!!!

1. The scriptures talk about a binary outcome, "Heaven" or "Hell"

2. You can rig earthly things, but the things of God can't be rigged!!!

3. It's simply an analogy to explain the concepts of overhead and irrespective of present overheads, your conscious life is subject to your free will!!!

If you can't understand this, then I can't help you

Gabrielshow24:

You are the one looking for complexity where there is none!!!

1. The scriptures talk about a binary outcome, "Heaven" or "Hell"

2. You can rig earthly things, but the things of God can't be rigged!!!

3. It's simply an analogy to explain the concepts of overhead and irrespective of present overheads, your conscious life is subject to your free will!!!

If you can't understand this, then I can't help you

"your conscious life is subject to your free will!!!"

There cannot be free will when the consequence of an alternative decision is eternal burning in hell. I can place a bet that more than 80% of Pentecostal Christians are afraid of hell and God—that’s the reason they follow Christ. It is not out of their free will. I have been to churches and seen the doctrine of hell weaponized like a nuclear bomb to scare people into an altar call. Where is the free will?

Gabrielshow24:
You are the one looking for complexity where there is none!!!
1. The scriptures talk about a binary outcome, "Heaven" or "Hell"
2. You can rig earthly things, but the things of God can't be rigged!!!
3. It's simply an analogy to explain the concepts of overhead and irrespective of present overheads, your conscious life is subject to your free will!!! If you can't understand this, then I can't help you

1. Israelite Scripture instead reveals that the only person who promised a Heaven and also a Hell inside of His Kingdom of God is Jesus Christ of Israel. And this promise He made only to the subject of Israel—descendants of Jacob— who would consider accepting His offer of Eternal Life. Such an outcome did not exist for those Israelites who lived 1000s of years before His arrival. So, I suggest we stick to the facts of Scripture and not here say since what that means is that non-Israelites have nothing to do with what is written in there.

2. So, you were not serious when you stated earlier that the games could not be rigged?

3. Terrible analogy! Overheads?

Nnamdipapa:


"your conscious life is subject to your free will!!!"

There cannot be free will when the consequence of an alternative decision is eternal burning in hell. I can place a bet that more than 80% of Pentecostal Christians are afraid of hell and God—that’s the reason they follow Christ. It is not out of their free will. I have been to churches and seen the doctrine of hell weaponized like a nuclear bomb to scare people into an altar call. Where is the free will?

You act as if shepherds don't use dogs or other means to make sheep enter the fold 🤨.

Doesn't mean the outcome of them perishing under the teeth of wolves isn't unlikely?🤔

Or is it wrong stating a fact? That the consequences of your free will will lead to hell🤨 after all you are free to choose between God and Satan so you must likewise embrace its consequences!!!

Gabrielshow24:

You act as if shepherds don't use dogs or other means to make sheep enter the fold 🤨.

Doesn't mean the outcome of them perishing under the teeth of wolves isn't unlikely?🤔

Or is it wrong stating a fact? That the consequences of your free will will lead to hell🤨 after all you are free to choose between God and Satan so you must likewise embrace its consequences!!!

You cannot use animals as an example when discussing the concept of free will, my friend. There is nothing "fact about the Bible or your claims. No one has ever returned from the dead, and Bible claims are disted stories that don't fit together; there is nothing that you can refer to as a "fact" in the Bible.

Gabrielshow24:
➜You act as if shepherds don't use dogs or other means to make sheep enter the fold 🤨.
Doesn't mean the outcome of them perishing under the teeth of wolves isn't unlikely?🤔 Or is it wrong stating a fact? That the consequences of your free will will lead to hell🤨 after all you are free to choose between God and Satan so you must likewise embrace its consequences!!!

A fact? Even the book does not state any of what you claim, again, since Jesus Christ of Israel, who introduced the concept of a Heaven and a Hell— in the Kingdom of God— as presented in Israelite Scripture made clear that a Judgement would need to first take place.

Kobojunkie:
1. Israelite Scripture instead reveals that the only person who promised a Heaven and also a Hell inside of His Kingdom of God is Jesus Christ of Israel. And this promise He made only to the subject of Israel—descendants of Jacob— who would consider accepting His offer of Eternal Life. Such an outcome did not exist for those Israelites who lived 1000s of years before His arrival. So, I suggest we stick to the facts of Scripture and not here say since what that means is that non-Israelites have nothing to do with what is written in there.

2. So, you were not serious when you stated earlier that the games could not be rigged?

3. Terrible analogy! Overheads?

Jesus died that all might be saved!!!

So you saying Israel only, is you alluding to being selective with scriptures!!!

2. The game isn't rigged.
3. If you don't understand overheads, that's your problem not mine.
If you do so well to boost your comprehension then maybe you will see the message I was ing across!!!

Op alluded to concepts such as overheads being part of the reasons why there is no freewill!!!

Hence the use of the analogy to disprove or rather show that irrespective of overheads, your conscious life is littered with expressions of free will🤨!!!

Gabrielshow24:
➜Jesus died that all might be saved!!! So you saying Israel only, is you alluding to being selective with scriptures!!!
2. The game isn't rigged.
3. If you don't understand overheads, that's your problem not mine.
➜If you do so well to boost your comprehension then maybe you will see the message I was ing across!!!
Op alluded to concepts such as overheads being part of the reasons where there is no freewill!!!
Hence the use of the analogy to disprove or rather show that irrespective of overheads, your conscious life is littered with expressions of free will🤨!!!

1. Jesus Christ of Israel said otherwise as He instead made clear He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, going as far as to warn His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs — non-Israelites.

2. So, says you!

3. You were asked a simple question regarding predestination, but here you are, introducing ideas that have nothing to do with anything. Why? What for? Answer the darn question already.

4. My comprehension is not the problem here; you are all over the place and clearly can't seem to help yourself.

Nnamdipapa:


You cannot use animals as an example when discussing the concept of free will, my friend. There is nothing "fact about the Bible or your claims. No one has ever returned from the dead, and Bible claims are disted stories that don't fit together; there is nothing that you can refer to as a "fact" in the Bible.

Indeed, what then can we use to show the expressions of free will!!!

After all, you also are an animal!!!
Now as touching biblical facts whether you allude to the spiritual facts or not is not my problem.

My own is to use the same biblical facts to show you that free will comes with consequences, one of which you don't want to accept - hell fire!!!

Gabrielshow24:

Indeed, what then can we use to show the expressions of free will!!!

After all, you also are an animal!!!
Now as touching biblical facts whether you allude to the spiritual facts or not is not my problem.

My own is to use the same biblical facts to show you that free will comes with consequences, one of which you don't want to accept - hell fire!!!

What you call "free will" is actually an ultimatum: Accept me or burn forever.
The same types of bogus free will that exist when you decide to hand over your cash to a robber who has a gun pointed at your head.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ of Israel said otherwise as He instead made clear He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, going as far as to warn His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs — non-Israelites.

2. So, says you!

3. You were asked a simple question regarding predestination, but here you are, introducing ideas that have nothing to do with anything. Why? What for? Answer the darn question already.

4. My comprehension is not the problem here; you are all over the place and clearly can't seem to help yourself.

I don't think so, and it shows you were not paying attention!!!

The question is about free will not predetermination!!!

Even a fool can see your selective bias from the scriptures, Jesus even told his disciples to go into the world and preach to all nations!!!

Nnamdipapa:


What you call "free will" is actually an ultimatum. Accept me or burn forever.
The same types of bogus free will that exist when you decide to hand over your cash to a robber who has a gun pointed at your head.

Does it matter, you have free will to choose your outcome!!!

That's the entire point, whether it's forced or not!!!

It's out of your expression to decide your own fate!!!

Be shot, or forsake all and live!!!

Gabrielshow24:
➜I don't think so, and it shows you were not paying attention!!!
➜The question is about free will not predetermination!!!
➜Even a fool can see your selective bias from the scriptures, Jesus even told his disciples to go into the world and preach to all nations!!!

1. You want me to believe you have been paying attention yet you somehow ignored the explicit statements made by Jesus Christ of Israel right there in His Gospel? Religion is a bitch!

2. Yet you have been attempting to argue predetermination all of this time? 🥴

3. I didn't write the book. I merely regurgitated that which is written in plaintext in the book, but you interpret that to mean I have selection bias? Are you OK? E be like say you no understand wetin selection bias even means. Stop throwing around you don't understand, abeg!

Kobojunkie:
A fact? Even the book does not state any of what you claim, again, since Jesus Christ of Israel, who introduced the concept of a Heaven and a Hell— in the Kingdom of God— as presented in Israelite Scripture made clear that a Judgement would need to first take place.

Are you a fool?
Isn't the judgement not to separate sheep from goats? 🤨

Heaven - Hell !!!
What then are you alluding to? 👀

Kobojunkie:
1. You want me to believe you have been paying attention yet you somehow ignored the explicit statements made by Jesus Christ of Israel right there in His Gospel? Religion is a bitch!

2. Yet you have been attempting to argue predetermination all of this time? 🥴

3. I didn't write the book. I merely regurgitated that which is written in plaintext in the book, but you interpret that to mean I have selective bias? Are you OK? E be like say you no understand wetin selective bias even means. Stop throwing around you don't understand, abeg!

My entire premise is not on predetermination!!!

Op brought concepts of "overheads" or predetermined outcomes in the form of "Heaven" and "Hell" and using this hoped to disprove free will!!!

I gave analogies to show otherwise!!!
The same Jesus that told us to go into the world and make disciples of all nations!!!

You are indeed a liar!
Selective bias is someone taking what soothes him or her!!!
That verse you quoted is completely out of context!!!

And it's becoming rather evident you have nothing useful to contribute!!!