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XxSabrinaxX:

Let's see...
"A deductive argument is the presentation of statements that are assumed or known to be true as premises for a conclusion that necessarily follows from those statements."

Right. Moving on...


Wow are you behind the times .....
"To most people, the idea that conservation of energy is violated goes against everything they learned about the most fundamental laws of physics. But on the cosmological scale, conservation of energy is not as steadfast a law as it is on smaller scales. In this study, the physicists specifically investigated two theories in which violations of energy conservation naturally arise.

The first scenario of violations involves modifications to quantum theory that have previously been proposed to investigate phenomena such as the creation and evaporation of black holes, and which also appear in interpretations of quantum mechanics in which the wavefunction undergoes spontaneous collapse. In these cases, energy is created in an amount that is proportional to the mass of the collapsing object.

Violations of energy conservation also arise in some approaches to quantum gravity in which spacetime is considered to be granular due to the fundamental limit of length (the Planck length, which is on the order of 10-35 m). This spacetime discreteness could have led to either an increase or decrease in energy that may have begun contributing to the cosmological constant starting when photons decoupled from electrons in the early universe, during the period known as recombination."(First premise is rejected.)

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-violations-energy-early-universe-dark.html

Dark energy emerges when energy conservation is violated

The conservation of energy is one of physicists’ most cherished principles, but its violation could resolve a major scientific mystery: why is the expansion of the universe accelerating? That is the eye-catching claim of a group of theorists in and Mexico, who have worked out that dark energy can take the form of Albert Einstein’s cosmological constant by effectively sucking energy out of the cosmos as it expands.

https://physicsworld.com/a/dark-energy-emerges-when-energy-conservation-...


No, it's not, Mr. Obvious
The Big Bounce: Why our universe might be eternal."
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/big-bounce-theory


First, GeneralShepherd, you must prove a beginning. Next, you have to actually demonstrate a source. You do not get to magically assert a universe into existence.


GeneralShepherd wouldja try and keep the energy (pun, hundred percent intended) please? You just asserted "conservation of energy" and here you are citing energy outside the universe.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

I have always put it succinctly, I was an atheist my reason for choosing a different worldview is simply because by mere reasoning it is obvious that the universe is not eternal. It is a consensus with the science community that the universe has a beginning. I choose to worship whatever caused the beginning of the universe .

Secondly atheism leads to nihilism short and simple. Nothing means anything, the best atheism can come up with is positive nihilism.

Christianity gave meaning to my life and I am sure that no argument for God will sway you either . So there's no point going down that route and engaging you in a conversation especially when your comments are laced with insults and sarcasm.

XxSabrinaxX:

How, Jozzy4, do you recognize design?

Methinks you need to demonstrate some objective evidence for your claim, and since all the objective evidence shows that species evolution through natural selection is a scientific fact you'll need to undo 160 years of global scientific research from multiple scientific disciplines. I think it's as likely we'll discover the world is flat and at the centre of the universe after all.


Languages evolve, just like species. Speakers get isolated from each other and their languages evolve in different directions. Sometimes invasion and migration bring them back to together, which is why we have so many Latin, Norse, and French words in English. Beowulf and the Canterbury Tales were both written in English in England. Yet most English-speaking people wouldn't even recognize them as English, because our language has changed radically in the past millennium. Imagine how much change could happen over tens of 1,000s of years as humanity migrated globally. By the time the Tower of Babel fantasy allegory is supposed to have happened, there had been countless languages for millennia.

XxSabrinaxX:
In all my time looking over theological arguments for god, I am yet to see one that proves His existence at all. Philosophy don't even come close to proving the existence of one or more creators in general, much less a muslim or christian god. It's also really tedious seeing the same arguments recycled by the religious and it just starts to get tiring. I want to see if there are actually any good arguments for god that already haven't been debunked, so at least I can have something to think about for awhile. I'll try my best to keep up with thread amidst my mostly busy schedule. Its just that I haven't had a good debate in a while

Cc. LordReed, Martinez39, Michellekabod2, 1Sharon, JeromeBlack, tintingz et al. Watch this space.

Hello Sabrina,

I understand the fact that you don't believe in God's existence and I respect that.

But you don't need to toe this part.

Seeking arguments "For" your thread's subject only goes to show that you have an inkling of believe.

By the way, please come back to the Marvel/D.C threads. E don tey wey I troll you.

XxSabrinaxX:


The same way your profile picture reveals you're a car, huh, genius?

I thank God that I am still alive and who do you thank?

XxSabrinaxX:


Not at all . However, I am ashamed that I'm wasting my precious time actually conversing with a goofball who apparently has the IQ of a dying chicken. I'll now leave you to enjoy your morning in foolishness

“If I were God, I'd hate to have you people speaking on my behalf.”

We do our best, but we are fully aware that “God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe” (see 1 Corinthians 1:21).

He chose the weak vessels of human beings to take the message of everlasting life to weak and dying human beings.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 3 January 2017 ·
www.livingwaters.com

GeneralShepherd:


I have always put it succinctly, I was an atheist

Whatever you were, it wasn't an atheist. Atheism has no "World View." The simple fact that you ignorantly have no idea at all what the word "Atheist" means demonstrates this.

my reason for choosing a different worldview is simply because by mere reasoning it is obvious that the universe is not eternal

Speaking of ignorance, "by mere reasoning it is obvious that the universe is not eternal. " is most likely one of the most ignorant utterances this week. Demonstrably, you have no idea at all what you are talking about.
"No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning."
https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

The fact of the matter is that WE DO NOT KNOW. Logically speaking - your assertion makes you look IGNORANT.

atheism leads to nihilism short and simple. Nothing means anything, the best atheism can come up with is positive nihilism.

Atheism does not lead to Nihilism. WTF sort of Straw Man Bullshit are you constructing now. Atheism is the disbelief in "God Claims." Nihilism: the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.
PHILOSOPHY: extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence. (So I challenge you to find an atheist on the site that does not have a strong sense of morality. Religion is often challenged on the basis of morality. Religion professing to be moral turns people into moral monsters. People who hate homosexuals, hate non-believers, hate any other religion that is not theirs. Religion uses the moral stance to blind you against the hatred with which it fills you.

Christianity gave meaning to my life and I am sure that no argument for God will sway you either .

Sorry to hear that. Pretending you have answers when there are none is only wallowing in ignorance. You enjoy your cool aid and cookies.

It's hard engaging you in conversation when every utterance that you post is full of fantasy, lies, fallacious reasoning, appeal to emotion, and inane assertions with no foundation in reality at all.

First of all, GeneralShepherd, that's the kalam cosmological argument you're trying to off as your own, so that's pretty dishonest for a start, and it's a first cause argument, you are simply assuming that cause is your deity. I don't view assumption as sound argument. You're also claiming known scientific laws about the natural physical universe applied prior to the big bang, which is obviously nonsensical since you cannot know they applied. Energy is energy, calling god is no different calling it a leprechaun, and just as meaningless. No physicists share your opinions here based on scientific evidence either. You can't assume something into existence, I'd have thought that was obvious.

So there's no point going down that route and engaging you in a conversation especially when your comments are laced with insults and sarcasm.

Oh no, it's TONE POLICING TIME!!!! Bwahahahahaha. . The tiresome supernaturalist appeal to post style, in order to avoid dealing with post content. Boo fucking hoo.

Quite simply, the maxim in operation here is bad ideas exist to be destroyed. Frequently, before persistence of those bad ideas starts destroying good people. For those of us who paid attention in class, ideas are a free-fire zone for whatever discoursive ordnance we choose to deploy, in order to determine which of those ideas are good ideas, and which are bad ideas. As a corollary, because it is eminently possible to change the ideas one considers to be good ideas, as one learns over time, especially if one applies diligence to the matter of testing assertions to destruction, the principle "you are not your ideas" applies, a principle that we know it's hard for a supernaturalist to understand. But it's precisely because we recognise that ideas only deserve to persist after they;ve survived the appropriate discoursive artillery, that we're ruthless in dealing with uned assertions. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, or in this case, the blast furnace.

Quite simply, again, I'm not going to lower my standards just to accommodate a whiny supernaturalist, who isn't used to having his assertions subject to proper scrutiny. If you don't like the fact that I treat bad ideas with contempt, scorn and derision, and subject the ridiculous to the mockery it deserves, then it's fucking tough. I'm not going to lower my standards because your fucking fee-fees are inflamed and in need of the butthurt ointment. This is how proper discourse is conducted - assertions are given whatever carpet bombing is required to expose their weaknesses, and if you think things are bad here, you want to try dealing with some academic environments I'm aware of, where even the smallest of errors invites swift, immediate and ruthless shelling.

XxSabrinaxX:

How, Jozzy4, do you recognize design?

Methinks you need to demonstrate some objective evidence for your claim,
andd since all the objective evidence shows that species evolution through natural selection is a scientific fact you'll need to undo 160 years of global scientific research from multiple scientific disciplines. I think it's as likely we'll discover the world is flat and at the centre of the universe after all.

You are asking me iF I recognize design , Would you call a padlock and it's Key a design ?

( Take note am using it to back my earlier claim on sex organs been an evidence of design )

Languages evolve, just like species. Speakers get isolated from each other and their languages evolve in different directions. Sometimes invasion and migration bring them back to together, which is why we have so many Latin, Norse, and French words in English. Beowulf and the Canterbury Tales were both written in English in England. Yet most English-speaking people wouldn't even recognize them as English, because our language has changed radically in the past millennium. Imagine how much change could happen over tens of 1,000s of years as humanity migrated globally. By the time the Tower of Babel fantasy is supposed to have happened, there had been countless languages for millennia.

How is Chinese letters related to English ?

Not all languages are so interwoven, so what caused the differences ?

What the old testament writers were talking about when they talked about God is just consciousness... The stories the wrote to buttress that are all allegory and metaphors.. When they were trying to teach us about the danger of pleasure without responsibility... The wrote a story about God killing Onan for failing to impregnate his brother wife.... And spilling his seed...
God is the personification of divine consciousness.. Not a man or human being..
Jesus is just a story created by the Romans, has got nothing to do with God..

Consciousness is not a thing.. We are alive because we are conscious, when the consciousness (God) leaves the body the body experiences death.. And the body becomes unconscious... I drew this idea from genesis 1:26..let us make man in our own image after our likeness ".. Man = consciousness +physical body.. God provided the consciousness and the earth provided the dust for the physical body.. Man is the miracle of nature...
In the babylonian creation myth.. God(Enki) and mother Ninmah (the earth) where the creators of man... In yoruba it is Obatala and the earth too(xxxx)..same idea with different nomenclature... Same all round the earth.. In igbo it is Igwe and Ala... Same God different nomenclature..

sonmvayina:
Consciousness is not a thing.. We are alive because we are conscious, when the consciousness (God) leaves the body the body experiences death.. And the body becomes unconscious... I drew this idea from genesis 1:26..let us make man in our own image after our likeness ".. Man = consciousness +physical body.. God provided the consciousness and the earth provided the dust for the physical body.. Man is the miracle of nature...
In the babylonian creation myth.. God(Enki) and mother Ninmah (the earth) where the creators of man... In yoruba it is Obatala and the earth too(xxxx)..same idea with different nomenclature... Same all round the earth.. In igbo it is Igwe and Ala... Same God different nomenclature..

Ahnahn.... Does this level of stupidity exist?? I've witnessed LordReed and also XxxSabrinaxxX. I seen the craziness of OtemAtum and the ignorance of michellakabod1, but they are all no match for you. I haven't seen anyone as dumb and as foolish as you are......

Blabbermouth:

Ahnahn.... Does this level of stupidity exist?? I've witnessed LordReed and also XxxSabrinaxxX. I seen the craziness of OtemAtum and the ignorance of michellakabod1, but they are all no match for you. I haven't seen anyone as dumb and as foolish as you are......

Who is this crash test dummy..?.

Nawa o. But seriously who cares if you believe in a God or not? If you're religious fine but don't let it cloud your sense of reasoning and if you're not, who cares? What I see here is someone wanting to shove beliefs in people's throats

sonmvayina:
Consciousness is not a thing.. We are alive because we are conscious, when the consciousness (God) leaves the body the body experiences death.. And the body becomes unconscious... I drew this idea from genesis 1:26..let us make man in our own image after our likeness ".. Man = consciousness +physical body.. God provided the consciousness and the earth provided the dust for the physical body.. Man is the miracle of nature...
In the babylonian creation myth.. God(Enki) and mother Ninmah (the earth) where the creators of man... In yoruba it is Obatala and the earth too(xxxx)..same idea with different nomenclature... Same all round the earth.. In igbo it is Igwe and Ala... Same God different nomenclature..

This is what makes me wonder how muttleylaff ended up still being a Christian who awaits the sound of a trumpet. I just cannot fathom it, why he deliberately ignore the fact that elements in Christianity can be found in other religions.. why he still think God divided himself into three different individuals yet the same being still marvels me till this day.

sonmvayina:
Consciousness is not a thing.. We are alive because we are conscious, when the consciousness (God) leaves the body the body experiences death.. And the body becomes unconscious... I drew this idea from genesis 1:26..let us make man in our own image after our likeness ".. Man = consciousness +physical body.. God provided the consciousness and the earth provided the dust for the physical body.. Man is the miracle of nature...
In the babylonian creation myth.. God(Enki) and mother Ninmah (the earth) where the creators of man... In yoruba it is Obatala and the earth too(xxxx)..same idea with different nomenclature... Same all round the earth.. In igbo it is Igwe and Ala... Same God different nomenclature..

I wonder if you ever heard of Mysteries of Genesis by Charles Fillmore?

https://lessonsintruth.info/library/books-by-charles-fillmore-unity-church/mysteries-of-genesis-by-charles-fillmore/chapter-1-spiritual-man-mysteries-of-genesis/

Mind the popup!

The concept of God is African.

African history = Real history.

African divinities are Gods. i.e

Obatala is a God.

Ra is a God.


All foreign deities and divinities are classed as gods. i.e

.Asira is an Arabian god.
.Dionysus is a Greek god.
.Ahura Mazda is a Persian god
.Bacchus is a Roman god.
.Sulayman is a Syrian god.

Some African deities are similarly classed

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

The Almighty God is the most important state of existence; that which IS here, there and everywhere.

The Almighty God is the creator of the universe and all that exist within; IS the final recipient of all creations.

sonmvayina:
Consciousness is not a thing.. We are alive because we are conscious, when the consciousness (God) leaves the body the body experiences death.. And the body becomes unconscious... I drew this idea from genesis 1:26..let us make man in our own image after our likeness ".. Man = consciousness +physical body.. God provided the consciousness and the earth provided the dust for the physical body.. Man is the miracle of nature...
In the babylonian creation myth.. God(Enki) and mother Ninmah (the earth) where the creators of man... In yoruba it is Obatala and the earth too(xxxx)..same idea with different nomenclature... Same all round the earth.. In igbo it is Igwe and Ala... Same God different nomenclature

Blabbermouth:
Ahnahn.... Does this level of stupidity exist?? I've witnessed LordRẹẹd and also XxxSabrínaxxX. I seen the craziness of OtẹmAtum and the ignorance of michẹllakabod1, but they are all no match for you. I haven't seen anyone as dumb and as foolish as you are......

lol

sonmvayina:
Who is this crash test dummy.?.

Someone obviously not impressed by you, lol

kkins25:
This is what makes me wonder how muttleylaff ended up still being a Christian who awaits the sound of a trumpet. I just cannot fathom it, why he deliberately ignore the fact that elements in Christianity can be found in other religions.. why he still think God divided himself into three different individuals yet the same being still marvels me till this day.

Fyi, kkins25 I gave a return to yours and sonmvayina uppermost comment at the below URL
https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/5583834/bible-scholars-should-me-out/5#85097644

budaatum:

I wonder if you ever heard of Mysteries of Genesis by Charles Fillmore?

https://lessonsintruth.info/library/books-by-charles-fillmore-unity-church/mysteries-of-genesis-by-charles-fillmore/chapter-1-spiritual-man-mysteries-of-genesis/

Mind the popup!

You are finding it hard to accept the fact that jesus is fiction... You must look for a place to fit him in...

I know how hard it is... To let go of all the lies you have been fed with all your youth.. You have to...
Jesus is just a made up character... There is no where in the entire old testament that speak of a God becoming a man or dying for sins.. No where, so where did the Christian get the idea from?...
The jews understood that atonement is a process not a one off thing.. And it is what they had to do for themselves.. Nobody can atone for anyone... You have to cleanse your spirit by yourself..... By confessing and forsaking your evil ways.. God will forgive..
"A contrite heart you will not spurn".. So says the psalmist..

sonmvayina:


You are finding it hard to accept the fact that jesus is fiction... You must look for a place to fit him in...

I know how hard it is... To let go of all the lies you have been fed with all your youth.. You have to...
Jesus is just a made up character... There is no where in the entire old testament that speak of a God becoming a man or dying for sins.. No where, so where did the Christian get the idea from?...
The jews understood that atonement is a process not a one off thing.. And it is what they had to do for themselves.. Nobody can atone for anyone... You have to cleanse your spirit by yourself..... By confessing and forsaking your evil ways.. God will forgive..
"A contrite heart you will not spurn".. So says the psalmist..

You are finding it hard to understand that it matters as much to me whether Jesus is fiction or not as whether Alice Through the Looking Glass or Ikemefuna in Things Fall Apart is fiction. In fact, it doesn't even matter to me whether the entire idea of God is fiction or not. But you'd find it hard to comprehend, I guess.

What I referred you to had a similar idea to that which you expressed and I shared. No one is asking you to believe fiction, and I personally, believe nothing.