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please help me out with this.. why did Jesus say this.. He is the Lord and why wil He say God has forsaken him??
just confused.

Because on the cross of calvary He bears the sin of the world.

So God departed from Him waiting His death and resurrection after He might have buried our sin in the grave.

He say He is the lord, not God.
Son of a king is prince, and son of God is lord.

Papa12:
please help me out with this.. why did Jesus say this.. He is the Lord and why wil He say God has forsaken him??
just confused.

Have you read Ps22?

Jesus was pointing to the fulfilment of the prophecy: the suffering Messiah!

Jesus is God?

A Lesson from Jesus to you. "If God fit get mind forsake me his only begotten son, Who then are you? Better chart your course before it is too late".

Great question. Jesus had become sin on the cross (ie our sin was inputted in Christ.)
and because God could not behold sin and always forsakes Sinners, He did to Jesus what He would have done to all those Christ died for : Which is forsake and punish them for their sins.

Jesus' role was vicarious. He was the substitute, (bearing all their sins instead of them) for all those who would be saved by grace.

God's eyes are too holy to behold iniquity, when Jesus bore the sins of humanity, the father had to turn his face away.

And the confusion continues....

why then did Jesus complained of this if he was aware of what he came for? in another place in the bible, Jesus prayed for the cup to over him and bible made us know his prayer was answered, how then did he still come to the cross?

An2elect2:
Great question. Jesus had become sin on the cross (ie our sin was inputted in Christ.)
and because God could not behold sin and always forsakes Sinners, He did to Jesus what He would have done to all those Christ died for : Which is forsake and punish them for their sins.

Jesus' role was vicarious. He was the substitute, (bearing all their sins instead of them) for all those who would be saved by grace.

Topestbilly:
Jesus is God?

Yes.

God is not a man. numbers 23:19

MightySparrow:


Yes.

hisgrace090:
Because on the cross of calvary He bears the sin of the world.

So God departed from Him waiting His death and resurrection after He might have buried our sin in the grave.

thank you.. u try

rejosom:
A Lesson from Jesus to you. "If God fit get mind forsake me his only begotten son, Who then are you? Better chart your course before it is too late".

exactly wat I am thinking

olamkas:
why then did Jesus complained of this if he was aware of what he came for? in another place in the bible, Jesus prayed for the cup to over him and bible made us know his prayer was answered, how then did he still come to the cross?

Good question

olamkas:
why then did Jesus complained of this if he was aware of what he came for? in another place in the bible, Jesus prayed for the cup to over him and bible made us know his prayer was answered, how then did he still come to the cross?

Jesus didn't complain but was burdened by what was to befall Him. He told his disciples he would rebuild the temple in 3days. Not only was he prepared to die, it was His plan from the beginning. Even the means to his death were ordained by Him.

when he prayed at Gethsemane, he wasnt complaining but submitting to the Father's will . And nopy, the cup didnt over him.

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face
to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it
is possible, may this cup be taken from
me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.

olamkas:
God is not a man. numbers 23:19

Verse quoted out of context

olamkas:
why then did Jesus complained of this if he was aware of what he came for? in another place in the bible, Jesus prayed for the cup to over him and bible made us know his prayer was answered, how then did he still come to the cross?

@ OP you better keep your questions in your mind, this people will have way of protecting their gods,and twist the questions for you to the extent that you won't understand even the question you ask anymore. There are many things in bible that are left unanswered,because it confused most of them and they don't want to doubt their god but were abandoned.

Every terrorist must have followers, have u seen a terrorist that attack alone?, yeoshoua was seen as a terrorist of their time with his own gangs,whose Israelites accused of trying to introduced new religion that go against their own belief (old testament), yeoshoua were also known for stealing treasury of the city to take care of his poor , they caught him and he asked them to leave his gangs out of this that he was the only one that committed the crime and they hanged him, most of his gang fled and and the rest commended him and they promised to quickly help him on the cross before he died and they were successful in helping yeoshoua and he go on exile enroute to Egypt were he died of famished and injuries sustained from crucifixion, those remaining of his commended him for his actions and they decide to immortalised him and changed him to god living among humans because of his bravery. The story of yeoshoua happened in the time of homo erectus,we are homo sapiens, that's why some archeologist still doubt his existence,most of the scripts in the new testament was written by his illiterate , although most of his later died a painful death, and new testaments go through a lot of remodification in the hands of Romans people to suit their time and the way they want it, initially those writtens were introduced to Romans by Paul, because Paul is originally from Rome. Romans see a lots of errors in the writtens, then they rewrite it the way they want and additional ones were added, then Romans people introduced the new religion to European,Romans has been coordinating the affairs of the religions since then, Paul is from Rome who lives in Israel. Romans are known for adoption of religion and belief of other countries they colonised. Those in old testament were ed down through orals,some people(Israelites) now wrote them down on a tablet as their origins but not knowing that almost 40% of it are lies, old testaments were full of errors up till today but it's errors are not much like new testaments that were rewritten by Romans people. Israelites believe in old testament that's why it's difficult for Romans to touch it.

Papa12:

exactly wat I am thinking

A simple message but their pastors wont let them see it.

olamkas:
why then did Jesus complained of this if he was aware of what he came for? in another place in the bible, Jesus prayed for the cup to over him and bible made us know his prayer was answered, how then did he still come to the cross?

That's because prophecy must be fulfilled. He saw what was coming and prayed it should be averted but prophecy has to be fulfilled

learning and observing........

now I got no answer to my question

shadeyinka:


Have you read Ps22?

Jesus was pointing to the fulfilment of the prophecy: the suffering Messiah!

A Just and straight forward answer, Christian ought to know their bible.
Till I come give attendance to reading.

Maybe OP's pastor just reveal to them a new rhema


Seconded answer after the above

AK6464:
God's eyes are too holy to behold iniquity, when Jesus bore the sins of humanity, the father had to turn his face away.

Lordcenturion2:




@ OP you better keep your questions in your mind, this people will have way of protecting their gods,and twist the questions for you to the extent that you won't understand even the question you ask anymore. There are many things in bible that are left unanswered,because it confused most of them and they don't want to doubt their god but were abandoned.

Every terrorist must have followers, have u seen a terrorist that attack alone?, yeoshoua was seen as a terrorist of their time with his own gangs,whose Israelites accused of trying to introduced new religion that go against their own belief (old testament), yeoshoua were also known for stealing treasury of the city to take care of his poor , they caught him and he asked them to leave his gangs out of this that he was the only one that committed the crime and they hanged him, most of his gang fled and and the rest commended him and they promised to quickly help him on the cross before he died and they were successful in helping yeoshoua and he go on exile enroute to Egypt were he died of famished and injuries sustained from crucifixion, those remaining of his commended him for his actions and they decide to immortalised him and changed him to god living among humans because of his bravery. The story of yeoshoua happened in the time of homo erectus,we are homo sapiens, that's why some archeologist still doubt his existence,most of the scripts in the new testament was written by his illiterate , although most of his later died a painful death, and new testaments go through a lot of remodification in the hands of Romans people to suit their time and the way they want it, initially those writtens were introduced to Romans by Paul, because Paul is originally from Rome. Romans see a lots of errors in the writtens, then they rewrite it the way they want and additional ones were added, then Romans people introduced the new religion to European,Romans has been coordinating the affairs of the religions since then, Paul is from Rome who lives in Israel. Romans are known for adoption of religion and belief of other countries they colonised. Those in old testament were ed down through orals,some people(Israelites) now wrote them down on a tablet as their origins but not knowing that almost 40% of it are lies, old testaments were full of errors up till today but it's errors are not much like new testaments that were rewritten by Romans people. Israelites believe in old testament that's why it's difficult for Romans to touch it.

How did you know all this

A very plain statement but most of the Christians deactivated their brain before they comments.

They will regret before God for not using their God given brain. They embraced manifest error with their eye open.

GoodMuyis:


A Just and straight forward answer, Christian ought to know their bible.
Till I come give attendance to reading.

Maybe OP's pastor just reveal to them a new rhema


Seconded answer after the above

LOL!
I hope the OP read the Ps22 to the end.

An2elect2:
Jesus didn't complain but was burdened by what was to befall Him. He told his disciples he would rebuild the temple in 3days. Not only was he prepared to die, it was His plan from the beginning. Even the means to his death were ordained by Him.

when he prayed at Gethsemane, he wasn't complaining but submitting to the Father's will . And nopy, the cup didnt over him.

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face
to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it
is possible, may this cup be taken from
me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.

But did Jesus not say, ''ask and it shall be given'', so why then will his own request not be answered?If he he had known his mission, when then will he not get set for it? Forget that he was in flesh. Was it not in the same flesh that he performed miracles as you claimed though he didn't claim it to himself anyway?
To cap it up,please read below, Hebrews 5 verse 7.
While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.

Those words in bold are very key. Please note!

hisgrace090:
■ Because on the cross of calvary He bears the sin of the world. So God departed from Him waiting His death and resurrection after He might have buried our sin in the grave. He say He is the lord, not God. Son of a king is prince, and son of God is lord.

There is no truth to this claim you make here. What Peter said of Christ carrying our sin in His body on the cross was not meant to be read literally but figuratively. Why? Well, for anything to happen, there must first exist a way provided by the God of Isreal for it to happen. The God of Israel never provided for any man to carry away/absolve another man of his sins. This means that there was no way for Jesus Christ — Himself submitted to the Will/Law of the God of Isreal — to absolve men, equally submitted to the Old Law of Moses, of sins committed against the God of Israel. (Jesus Christ could not and did not magically absolve men of their sins.)

18 Slaves, be willing to serve your masters. Do this with all respect. You should obey the masters who are good and kind, and you should obey the masters who are bad.
19 One of you might have to suffer even when you have done nothing wrong. If you think of God and bear the pain, this pleases God.
20 But if you are punished for doing wrong, there is no reason to praise you for bearing that punishment. But if you suffer for doing good and you are patient, this pleases God.
21 This is what you were chosen to do. Christ gave you an example to follow. He suffered for you. So you should do the same as he did:
22 “He never sinned, and he never told a lie.”
23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone. No, he let God take care of him. God is the one who judges rightly.
24 Christ carried our sins in his body on the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed.
25 You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives. - 1 Peter 2 vs 18 - 25

Something else you need to know as well is that a person under the curse of one of God's Laws cannot be set free from sin under that same Law because the curse is designed to prevent that from ever happening - Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 41. To redeem such a one, would first need to be removed, after which a different path to redemption be provided — a different Law/Covenant. Jesus Christ is God's new Covenant and Law meant to provide the people a path to redemption for their sins. To conquer the cause and free the people from the Old Law, what Jesus Christ was instead able to do —thanks to the example provided by the God of Israel in the desert when He raised the bronze snake as a beacon of salvation to the children of Isreal He condemned to die—was allow Himself to be raised similarly so he could remove the curse of death from their heads - John 3 vs 14 - 18. Once saved from the curse of sin — Death—, the people then had freedom to redeem themselves of their sins through the following of the New Law.