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Since I've decided to abandon the God Does Not 'EXIST' thread I can continue to address the any relevant points here, Joshthefirst.


This was your last post addressed to me:

Joshthefirst:
Of course. I've been logical in this matter from the start. Carefully explaining my communication with no solid reply from you apart from puerile attacks like this and looking for a play on words and loopholes in my conversation and mockery.

If you are an embittered and troubled man I can't do much to help you on the net. Nairaland isn't a good place for troubled people.

You claim to have been logical, and accused me of giving you 'no sold reply'.

This is what the record says:

LaClicKLaBenDin:



I'm not surprised at the comments of all these anti-God horsdes in here, who come in the guise of atheism.

They're some things I can't say to them; things like what Benny Hinn said above. These are stuff that are way above their limited, myopic, logical and failed human reasoning.

"The things of the spirit is foolishness to a carnal mind".

This is a er of yours on the thread. He claims that what you wrote in your OP is above logical.

These are not your word, I accept, but the guy was ing you on the thread. Now what I want to know is whether you are in agreement with him that your OP was 'way above' Logic, or whether you are ready to disavow the guy right now.

Joshthefirst:


I am simply trying to across a point of God's supreme nature to you. God is transcendent. You would be foolish to apply ordinary 'nounish' matters to him.

So above you freed yourself from any rigors placed on you by grammar and the logical structures of language. Although you happily employ a great deal of nouns in your attempts to ' across a point of God's supreme nature'. This was what prompted me to ask you if you would consider yourself foolish in doing so.

But surely you can see that you've given yourself free license to be as illogical as you like.

PastorAIO:
Since I've decided to abandon the God Does Not 'EXIST' thread I can continue to address the any relevant points here, Joshthefirst.


This was your last post addressed to me:



You claim to have been logical, and accused me of giving you 'no sold reply'.

This is what the record says:


This is a er of yours on the thread. He claims that what you wrote in your OP is above logical.

These are not your word, I accept, but the guy was ing you on the thread. Now what I want to know is whether you are in agreement with him that your OP was 'way above' Logic, or whether you are ready to disavow the guy right now.



So above you freed yourself from any rigors placed on you by grammar and the logical structures of language. Although you happily employ a great deal of nouns in your attempts to ' across a point of God's supreme nature'. This was what prompted me to ask you if you would consider yourself foolish in doing so.

But surely you can see that you've given yourself free license to be as illogical as you like.

Let me state it categorically, without mincing words; The Christian life, the Bible and God transcends every kind of human logic or wisdom.

You either believe in God or you don't, no one is forcing anyone, but when you close your eyes in death, that's when reality will set in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-eJW0gEm5w

Joshthefirst:
How does this state a point contains the universe? Are you mad? Even your definition has nothing to do with ing your earlier nonsense speculation.

When faced with sound logical thinking you come up with idiot.ic falsehood and musings to counter concur and buffer your own embracing of randomized directionlessness thinking. Well-done.

Imagine a ball. There is a space inside the ball. and there is a vast amount of space outside the ball.

imagine there is a pebble inside the ball. There is absolutely no way that you can take the pebble from the space inside the ball to the space outside the ball without breaching the ball by tearing it. No matter how you twist and reshape the ball the pebble will always remain on the 'inside' of the ball.

(please notice the inverted commas of 'inside').

There are 2 spaces we are interested in. One space we call 'inside' the ball. The other space we call 'outside' the ball.

We can call the ball a sealed container. We cannot remove the pebble from 'inside' the ball without tearing the ball.

Topologically let us define a sealed container as something that it's contents cannot through from one space, 'inside', to the other, 'outside'.

But are our choices of 'inside' and 'outside' not arbitrary.

Can we not say that the Ball contains the whole universe, except for the little sphere of air we once called it's 'inside'.

So the ball almost contains the whole universe. All the universe except a small round sphere of air. (what about the pebble? Oh okay, let's not forget the pebble then). Nothing can from the wider universe through the skin of the ball without tearing the ball. So the ball contains the wider universe with the exception of some spherical air and a pebble.


But what if the ball was smaller. Not a football but a tennis ball. Well in that case it would contain more universe and the other space would contain less spherical air.



And smaller? More universe.



What if it was so small that there was no longer any 'inside' air or pebble, so small there was nothing 'inside', in other words what if we reduced the container to a point.


Well then that point would contain the entire universe!!

I hope I explained it well to you.

LaClicKLaBenDin:


Let me state it categorically, without mincing words; The Christian life, the Bible and God transcends every kind of human logic or wisdom.

You either believe in God or you don't, no one is forcing anyone, but when you close your eyes in death, that's when reality will set in.

OH MY GOD, Dis guy, this thread nor consign you. wetin na? Didn't you see the name of the pesin I'm addressing in the title?

I forgot to mention:

So that is why I was going on about points containing the universe. Because you said something about God containing the universe, so I asked if God was a point.

In other words, while you may be trying to use it to show the vastness and magnitude of how you see God, it could also reduce God to the most infinitesimally small thing.

Joshthefirst:
How does this state a point contains the universe? Are you mad? Even your definition has nothing to do with ing your earlier nonsense speculation.

When faced with sound logical thinking you come up with idiot.ic falsehood and musings to counter concur and buffer your own embracing of randomized directionlessness thinking. Well-done.

Why am I getting the feeling an uninvited person will come and derail this thread

SirWere:
Why am I getting the feeling an uninvited person will come and derail this thread

:

Pull your seat belt across my friend. Your salady brother here is in "the spirit".

ok

Is it true that Language has developed in the human species as a means of communicating amongst ourselves in order to share our experiences of this physical universe which operates according to the logical laws of nature.

For instance, in language we have tenses, past present and future. And this aptly reflects our experience of life which occurs in Time so everything is either in the past present or future.

We experience various objects which have various attributes and which undergo various processes or actions.
In turn we mirror this in language by creating Nouns by which to call the objects, and adjectives by which to describe their attributes, and verbs with which to describe their actions.

Language, we find, mirrors our experiences of life very closely and it is these life experiences that we communicate when we use language.

Obviously communication can only occur between people who share the same or similar experiences.
we cannot communicate a new experience to somebody. The best we can do is to bring them to have the new experience for themselves.

What is that experience described so aptly in the Taittriya Upanishads as the place where 'Words turn back', 'failing to reach'.

II-ix-1: The enlightened man is not afraid of anything after realising that Bliss of Brahman, failing to reach which, words turn back along with the mind.

Taittriya Upanishad 2.9.1

http://www.advaita.it/library/taittiriya.htm

I am simply trying to across a point of God's supreme nature to you.

It bothers me with such an utter feeling of foreboding when someone tells me or anyone else for that matter that they are communicating something of God's supreme nature using words and language that are designed for communicating temporal experiences.

Straight away I become suspicious of such a person because in my experience this is the manner of the misled and those that seek to mislead. The demagogues and their hoodwinked minions.

PastorAIO:


It bothers me with such an utter feeling of foreboding when someone tells me or anyone else for that matter that they are communicating something of God's supreme nature using words and language that are designed for communicating temporal experiences.

. . . Says the same girl who attempted to qualify God within Nouns or Verbs.

Joshthefirst - I hope you see this.

It sickens me that I once thought this girl intelligent and profound.

SirWere:
Why am I getting the feeling an uninvited person will come and derail this thread

Because you are a prophet. The one that was prophesied came and unlike Jesus in Israel, he was recognised and was duly dismissed.

Joshthefirst, see o... All this for you, just for you and you are wasting it. the parable of Luke 14 16 to 24

LaClicKLaBenDin:


[b]Let me state it categorically, without mincing words; The Christian life, the Bible and God transcends every kind of human logic or wisdom.

In other words, the Christian life, the Bible and God transcends every kind of human COMMON SENSE.

Well, we have good news for.

We atheists are in full agreement.

So, what seems to be the argument here ?

LaClicKLaBenDin:


Let me state it categorically, without mincing words; The Christian life, the Bible and God transcends every kind of human logic or wisdom.

You either believe in God or you don't, no one is forcing anyone, but when you close your eyes in death, that's when reality will set in.

When u claim it is avove every logic amd wisdom, how do u know this? have u attained a logic above human's logic? or did the holy spirit reveal it to u? if he did, then u understood it and u are still human. So invariably it is not above human logic.

ValentineMary:
When u claim it is avove every logic amd wisdom, how do u know this? have u attained a logic above human's logic? or did the holy spirit reveal it to u? if he did, then u understood it and u are still human. So invariably it is not above human logic.

Young man, a Holy Spirit filled Christian is not a natural man, not a logical man, not a human, but spiritual, superhuman and supernatural man: He can see what you are blinded to, he has knowledge that is exclusive to the supernatural....let me stop here; the things of the spirit is foolishness to a carnal mind.

Human logic is limited to your physical senses.

Please let's put an end to this conversation, we're not on the same wavelength in matters like this. No disrespect.

LaClicKLaBenDin:



the things of the spirit is foolishness

I agree

hahn:


I agree

Please, stay off my mentions, instead of making rubbish out of my posts.

No one is forcing you to be a Christian, it's a choice, but don't forget that on the last day, you will answer to the one whose life you're living.

LaClicKLaBenDin:


Please, stay off my mentions, instead of making rubbish out of my posts.

No one is forcing you to be a Christian, it's a choice, but don't forget that on the last day, you will answer to the one whose life you're living.

Just as no one is forcing you to be a Satanist. You will eventually be judged by Satan on the last day. Your soul is his. Jehovah is his house boy

LaClicKLaBenDin:



Young man, a Holy Spirit filled Christian is not a natural man, not a logical man, not a human, but spiritual, superhuman and supernatural man: He can see what you are blinded to, he has knowledge that is exclusive to the supernatural....let me stop here; the things of the spirit is foolishness to a carnal mind.

Human logic is limited to your physical senses.

Please let's put an end to this conversation, we're not on the same wavelength in matters like this. No disrespect.

This is funny. So because u believe some myths u are now supernatural ? If what u believe is not defined by logic then on what basis is it true over the other religion's story It is obvious at this stage that what faith based religion is after is just ego. The wanting to feel important and condemn everyone else who does not buy their myth.

ValentineMary:
This is funny. So because u believe some myths u are now supernatural ? If what u believe is not defined by logic then on what basis is it true over the other religion's story It is obvious at this stage that what faith based religion is after is just ego. The wanting to feel important and condemn everyone else who does not buy their myth.

As you like it or what you call it.

PastorAIO:
Joshthefirst, see o... All this for you, just for you and you are wasting it. the parable of Luke 14 16 to 24

sorry. Got really busy really fast. Should be on later to refute you

Joshthefirst:
sorry. Got really busy really fast. Should be on later to refute you

I still dey wait o,. It's being like 4 months!

Hey PastorAIO.
First, I want to offer my sincere apologies for taking this long to reply. I've been really busy for a very long time.

I also want to use this opportunity to tag everyone and to say that I have not been an effective defender of my faith, I have not shown and reasoned my hope in gentle and meek manners like I did when I started on this platform. I apologize sincerely, and I will try not to sound condescending, or arrogant to anyone, no matter how provocative they become. Thank you.

PastorAIO:
Since I've decided to abandon the God Does Not 'EXIST' thread I can continue to address the any relevant points here, Joshthefirst.


This was your last post addressed to me:



You claim to have been logical, and accused me of giving you 'no sold reply'.

This is what the record says:


This is a er of yours on the thread. He claims that what you wrote in your OP is above logical.

These are not your word, I accept, but the guy was ing you on the thread. Now what I want to know is whether you are in agreement with him that your OP was 'way above' Logic, or whether you are ready to disavow the guy right now.



So above you freed yourself from any rigors placed on you by grammar and the logical structures of language. Although you happily employ a great deal of nouns in your attempts to ' across a point of God's supreme nature'. This was what prompted me to ask you if you would consider yourself foolish in doing so.

But surely you can see that you've given yourself free license to be as illogical as you like.

Do not quote me out of context pastor. I was addressing a very specific and different situation.

PastorAIO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-eJW0gEm5w



Imagine a ball. There is a space inside the ball. and there is a vast amount of space outside the ball.

imagine there is a pebble inside the ball. There is absolutely no way that you can take the pebble from the space inside the ball to the space outside the ball without breaching the ball by tearing it. No matter how you twist and reshape the ball the pebble will always remain on the 'inside' of the ball.

(please notice the inverted commas of 'inside').

There are 2 spaces we are interested in. One space we call 'inside' the ball. The other space we call 'outside' the ball.

We can call the ball a sealed container. We cannot remove the pebble from 'inside' the ball without tearing the ball.

Topologically let us define a sealed container as something that it's contents cannot through from one space, 'inside', to the other, 'outside'.

But are our choices of 'inside' and 'outside' not arbitrary.

Can we not say that the Ball contains the whole universe, except for the little sphere of air we once called it's 'inside'.

So the ball almost contains the whole universe. All the universe except a small round sphere of air. (what about the pebble? Oh okay, let's not forget the pebble then). Nothing can from the wider universe through the skin of the ball without tearing the ball. So the ball contains the wider universe with the exception of some spherical air and a pebble.


But what if the ball was smaller. Not a football but a tennis ball. Well in that case it would contain more universe and the other space would contain less spherical air.



And smaller? More universe.



What if it was so small that there was no longer any 'inside' air or pebble, so small there was nothing 'inside', in other words what if we reduced the container to a point.


Well then that point would contain the entire universe!!

I hope I explained it well to you.

What you are trying to say is pure conjecture.

PastorAIO:

I forgot to mention:

So that is why I was going on about points containing the universe. Because you said something about God containing the universe, so I asked if God was a point.

In other words, while you may be trying to use it to show the vastness and magnitude of how you see God, it could also reduce God to the most infinitesimally small thing.

I said a lot of things, and I wasn't joking, theorizing or making conjectures. Saying that the universe may be infinitesimal doesn't really add anything to the argument in this case.


And I saying in similar words, that God, is the transcendental sum total of all reality. Everything about ceation is drawn from, and is a subset of his infinite presence and reality. He is the eternal "something" that gave the cause to creation, and sustains it.

This is the consequence of logical thinking and extrapolation of the cosmological argument. It is not conjecture.

Missed you JoshTheFirst. Oya come chess.com, make I nak you small akpako.

sonofluc1fer:
Missed you JoshTheFirst. Oya come chess.com, make I nak you small akpako.

lol. I never play for a long time o. You go truly knack me to stupor.

Joshthefirst:
I said a lot of things, and I wasn't joking, theorizing or making conjectures. Saying that the universe may be infinitesimal doesn't really add anything to the argument in this case.


And I saying in similar words, that God, is the transcendental sum total of all reality. Everything about ceation is drawn from, and is a subset of his infinite presence and reality. He is the eternal "something" that gave the cause to creation, and sustains it.

This is the consequence of logical thinking and extrapolation of the cosmological argument. It is not conjecture.

There is nowhere that I was joking or theorizing or making conjectures. 2 plus 2 equals 4. That is not a conjecture, it is an a priori fact.

I never said that the universe may be infinitesimal. Perhaps you need to read my posts again.

Joshthefirst:
What you are trying to say is pure conjecture.

Really? How so?

Joshthefirst:
Do not quote me out of context pastor. I was addressing a very specific and different situation.

how is the context different? What is the context in which you think it is okay to eschew logic?

And also, are you ready to disavow the guy that said you are above logic? Please do so now, or I'll take it that you agree with him.