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Warmis:
when he nhas [b]over 80 senators that are lining and singing for him [/b]who do u think will touch him? As far as all the pdp senators are for saraki almost all former govenors in the senate are for saraki and jnust bt a few even less than 5 Apc senators are for saraki this 4 years in the senate is for sure,, even if they will conduct another election him saraki and ekweremadu will win with land slide victory...... So don't even deceive Ūя̲̅ self no 1 can do him anything the senators of the like minds have taken it.............. The govenors against them should go and hung transformer.. He won't apologise to any 1 the worse they can do is just looking looking and barking with a mouth with no single tooth..... Tinibu should go to hell too

Please take your time and study events of Nigeria return to democracy since 1999. There are so much to learn and this may shape your future contribution to topics like this.

Saraki and Ekweremadu owe their seats to the powers that be as long as they want to tolerate them. All it takes to remove the 2 is just a go-ahead command from one man.

Ghandi12:


All previous rules and amendments as you acknowledged have known and verifiable sources. The '2015 rules' has embellishments with no record of the source nor anybody owning-up to its emergence.

Why will people create rules they cannot publicly claim authorship of? If they failed to own-up the document may stand orphaned thence forged.

There is nothing internal anymore in a rules that has been in use since 1999 and has undergone structured amendments to the end of the last Senate. The Senate does not belong to the Senators - it belongs to the people that part away with taxes that finance them.

They are answerable to the public. Much has been given to them and that comes with high level of responsibilities. If this forgery is allowed to stand then do not blame those of us down the rung that may choose to take after them.

You obfuscate what you know not.

The Senate President quoted the 2015 Senate rules while ruling APC Senators out of order for questioning Sen. Akpabio's qualification for minority leadership and consequently it stood and Akpabio is today the Senate minority leader.

Why are you crying more than the majority of senators? This is the same question Saraki asked the lone APC Senator challenging Akpabio selection.

Every Republic since 1999 had its separate Senate Rules and there hadn't been a time a dissolved Senate rules have been used for a new republic.

fagbalex:
I know him very well, he has impoverished the whole Kwara state through his play boy Gov Abdulfatah Ahmed. He's a dictator and autocrat that dictate any phenomenal issue in the state. He has claimed the Lord of the state and vowed that no one control the mantle of leadership from him. He's a man that go any lengthto clinch what ever he's aspiring for. Am from Kwara state but I never pray for him to get to that position because he will be a devil obstacle to the realization of the present istration objective to drive the nation forward. Pls let fear the lord Bukola Saraki.

Opinedecandid:


It is people like you that would do
#whileyouwereaway#, apologising and regretting why you voted for PMB.

And it is people like you that will be surprised at his failure.
It can't just be all of us.

#Iseenochanges# , only
#Short-changes#

It's woeful one Nigerian is already wishing the old man bad luck, even within 2months hmmmmmmm slow and steady all the way

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

You obfuscate what you know not.
The Senate President quoted the 2015 Senate rules [/b]while ruling APC Senators out of order for questioning Sen. Akpabio's qualification for minority leadership and consequently it stood and Akpabio is today the Senate minority leader.

Before you can quote a 'rules' you may want to confirm its authenticity. Is there anything known as the 2015 Senate Standing order? If there is one, what is its content; any amendment from the ed-down rules? Who approved the content or amendments? Is there any verifiable records of any observed amendments? Who amended it? Do these people have the constitutional or legal right to amend it?

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...[b]Why are you crying more than the majority of senators? This is the same question Saraki asked the lone APC Senator challenging Akpabio

The Nigeria Senate belongs to all Nigerians. Every Nigerian is a stake-holder in the Senate matter moreso a tax-paying Nigerian. Finished products from the Nigeria Senate affect day-to-day live of every Nigerian world-wide and it is everyone's civic duty to question irregularities when noticed anywhere in the system. That is why I am crying.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...Every Republic since 1999 had its separate Senate Rules and there hadn't been a time a dissolved Senate rules have been used for a new republic.

Your statement is erroneous, the historical details of the Senate standing orders from 1999 to date have been extensively discussed on and off this platform.

It has been established that all Senate rules from 1999 to 2014 have a common source. It has also been established that the original rules has always been ed-down from previous Senate to the new one. This rules has undergone a number of structured amendment. In fact the procedure on how to subsequently amend the rules has been deliberated and ratified at a Senate plenary.

Did u have fact for all u put down?
As I am trying to take all what u wrote as a piece of intellectualusm, u cum take d baba Buhari argument spoil ur rep. Hope u saw him @ dat dinner with his war college classmates in d US during his state visit, I think that alone should b able to clear ur mind if its an open 1.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:


What do you call forgery?

2015 Senate standing rule is an amendment to 2011 Senate Standing rules that started in 1999 and we have 2003, 2007 and 2011.

The controversy on who and how it is amended is not called Forgery and secondly a Senator can move a motion in the senate chambers (with of 67% of senators present) to set it aside hence it is purely an internal Legislative matter.

It will also interest you to note that the last senate sitting was still conducted with the same 2015 amended rules and no senator present challenged it nor called for its nullification.

Even Buhari that forged Cambridge statement of WASC result is walking free let alone an internal legislative standing rules amendment.

Ghandi12:


Before you can quote a 'rules' you may want to confirm its authenticity. Is there anything known as the 2015 Senate Standing order? If there is one, what is its content; any amendment from the ed-down rules? Who approved the content or amendments? Is there any verifiable records of any observed amendments? Who amended it? Do these people have the constitutional or legal right to amend it?



The Nigeria Senate belongs to all Nigerians. Every Nigerian is a stake-holder in the Senate matter moreso a tax-paying Nigerian. Finished products from the Nigeria Senate affect day-to-day live of every Nigerian world-wide and it is everyone's civic duty to question irregularities when noticed anywhere in the system. That is why I am crying.



Your statement is erroneous, the historical details of the Senate standing orders from 1999 to date have been extensively discussed on and off this platform.

It has been established that all Senate rules from 1999 to 2014 have a common source. It has also been established that the original rules has always been ed-down from previous Senate to the new one. This rules has undergone a number of structured amendment. In fact the procedure on how to subsequently amend the rules has been deliberated and ratified at a Senate plenary.

Akpabio emerges Senate Minority Leader

JULY 28, 2015 : NAN


Akwa Ibom State Governor Godswill Akpabio | credits: ibompulpit.com
The Peoples Democratic Party caucus in the Senate on Tuesday announced the appointment of Senator Godswill Akpabio (Akwa-Ibom North-West) as the Minority Leader in the Red chamber.

Making the announcement, President of the Senate, Bukola Saraki, also announced the appointment of Senator Emmanuel Bwacha (PDP Taraba South) as Deputy Minority Leader.

Other appointees of the PDP are Senator Phillip Aduda (PDP FCT), Minority Whip; and Senator Biodun Olujimi (PDP Ekiti South), Deputy Minority Whip.

But Senator Kabir Marafa (APC Zamfara Central) immediately challenged the appointments, saying they violated the Senate’s rules on ranking.

Marafa, who particularly challenged the appointment of Senator Godswill Akpabio who is a first-time senator as minority leader, urged that the appointment should be declared null and void.

Citing Order 13(2) of the 2015 Senate Standing Rules, he argued that a ranking senator was supposed to have occupied the position given to Akpabio.

However, the Deputy President of the Senate, Ike Ekwerenmadu, insisted that the appointment of the officers was PDP’s affair and not the business of Marafa, who is an APC member.

He clarified that the rule on ranking only stipulates that ranking senators should be considered first before other non-ranking senators, stressing that the constitution allows any senator to occupy any position.

“If the ranking senator cannot take the position for any reason, then the next level of ranking senators can be considered,” he said.

Saraki ruled Marafa out of order, saying the PDP senators were not complaining and as such, urged Marafa to “stop crying more than the bereaved.”


http://www.punchng.com/news/akpabio-emerges-senate-minority-leader/


Stop dragging what you don't know or fail to understand.

THEY SHOULD DO THE NEEDFUL BY 'PUNISHING' SARAKI IN OTHER TO DETER OTHERS FROM GOING AGAINST THE PARTY SCOT-FREE.IF SARAKI GOES UNPUNISHED ANYBODY CAN MISBEHAVE

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

Akpabio emerges Senate Minority Leader
...
Citing Order 13(2) of the 2015 Senate Standing Rules, he argued that a ranking senator was supposed to have occupied the position given to Akpabio.
However, the Deputy President of the Senate, Ike Ekwerenmadu, insisted that the appointment of the officers was PDP’s affair and not the business of Marafa, who is an APC member.
...
http://www.punchng.com/news/akpabio-emerges-senate-minority-leader/
Stop dragging what you don't know or fail to understand.

Is it possible for you to debate without insults?

You have not responded to the questions I put out to you neither have you contravened my submission on the history of the Senate standing orders from 1999 to date.

deebsman1:
Did u have fact for all u put down?
As I am trying to take all what u wrote as a piece of intellectualusm, u cum take d baba Buhari argument spoil ur rep. Hope u saw him @ dat dinner with his war college classmates in d US during his state visit, I think that alone should b able to clear ur mind if its an open 1.

I never said nor am I debating whether Buhari is qualified or not to contest for presidency rather his famous inglorious press conference where he said "I have instructed the Principal of my old school to publish my Cambridge WASC statement of result" unquote.

It happened that what was released was a fake result whereby one Mohammed was impersonated to be Gen Buhari notwithstanding the poor job done in the process of the forgery.

chukwudi44:


Lol you didn't believe the policespokesman but rather chose to believe the Useless The nation and punch newspapers!!! Olodo well the case is already in court and will remain there for the next four years while Saraki/Ekweremadu continues to hold sway at the senate

Funny how you manage to believe yourself. Between the partisan and perfidious police spokesman and the two newspapers we know who is useless. In your own case, i can understand your frustration. I advise you to clear your abode of any poisonous substance so that when nememis does catch up with Saraki and Ekweremadu, you won't swallow them in error for your head- and heart-ache.

Ghandi12:


Is it possible for you to debate without insults?

You have not responded to the questions I put out to you neither have you contravened my submission on the history of the Senate standing orders from 1999 to date.

DETAILS emerged on Sunday that the decision of the leadership of the National Assembly to effect changes in the Senate Standing Orders 2015 (as amended) was in conformity with precedence and the tradition of the Assembly to  regulate its own procedure as guaranteed by the 1999 Constitution..

Sources close to the National Assembly on Sunday said it would be a misnomer to allege forgery in the alterations, as the Rule Book was printed by the management, following the approval for the printing of the new rules ahead of the inauguration.
A source said the process was in conformity with the tradition set in 1999, where the management prepared the rule books for the Senate and the House.

The source said what the management did was more or less a draft of the Rule Book and that the new Senate has the power to adopt it entirely or propose further amendments in the course of the session.
According to the source, an officer in one of the Senate standing committees, the leadership was covered by precedent in printing the 2015 orders.

The Rule Book that has been amended by the different chambers since the commencement of democracy in 1999 were written in 1998 by the management of the National Assembly, based on international best practices and the rule books of national Assemblies of countries like Canada, Australia, , United States and the United Kingdom.

It was gathered that the  current leadership felt the need to effect some changes in the rules to make it in conformity with the yearnings of many senators during parliamentary delegations and induction courses..

“Most of the issues reflected in the induction courses held for the senators in April 2015 after the elections were reflected in the amendment.

“The amendment also encapsulated the report of the last Senate Committee on Rules and Business headed by Senator Ita Enang, which dwells on issues of proper representation of senators at committees and the federal character,” the source said.
He wondered why the police were called in to interfere in the affairs of the National Assembly, which is an independent arm of government.

“What was presented to the lawmakers was actually a draft Rule Book and it was meant to be adopted by the Senate.

“The Senate adopted it on June 24, when Senator Bukola Saraki hit the gavel on it. He ruled Senator Kabir Marafa out of order on his question as to the differences between the 2011 Rule book and that of 2015 and Saraki said the Rule Book adopted for the new session is the 2015 order.

“Senator Ike Ekweremadu also said on the floor on June 24 that each Senate comes up with its own rules as seen in the adopted rules of 1999, 2003, 2007 and 2011,” the source in the National Assembly said..

He added that Section 60 of the 1999 Constitution guaranteed the powers of the National Assembly to regulate its own procedure, adding that such powers included the power to change its rules and adopt same on the floor.

Another source close to the National Assembly legal department said the management reflected the yearnings of most senators who had clamoured for equal representation, while also bringing the rule book up to date on voting procedure.

He said the rule book became effective when the chambers adopted it, adding that this was done on June 24.

“With the adoption of the Rule Book on June 24, it would be a misnomer to indicate that there was forgery to the rules. The management only proposed amendments which the Senate adopted as its Rule for 2015.

“The Ita Enang committee  in the last Senate also reflected most of the new amendments. Though that Senate did not consider the report, Senator Marafa raised the matter on the floor of the Senate on June 24 and his point of order was ruled out of order by the Senate President, who announced that the 2015 rule has been adopted.

“From 1999 to 2015, there is no time the executive got involved in the Senate standing rules and it appears they are crossing the line. The police cannot tell a lawmaking body the law to make for itself,” he said.


http://tribuneonlineng.com/how-senate-rule-book-was-altered-%E2%80%94investigation

Ghandi12:


Please take your time and study events of Nigeria return to democracy since 1999. There are so much to learn and this may shape your future contribution to topics like this.

Saraki and Ekweremadu owe their seats to the powers that be as long as they want to tolerate them. All it takes to remove the 2 is just a go-ahead command from one man.

who is that 1 man that can give then command and they will be removed @ 1nce? Since from 1999 apart from David all then leadership of the 2 chambers that really perfomed excellently and have the of @least 80% of the house either the Reps or the senate are not the chnoice of the executive... The choice of the executive have always been impeached most especially in the Reps.... And the leaders that were chosen by the House without any single external influence, are the leadership that always succeed............. Saraki/Ekweremadu are not the choice of the Presidency its very clear... With this @ least u should know that the sanate knows that its their leadership that they elected by themselves not by the executive as such tnhey will have a very solid ground to stay

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

DETAILS emerged on Sunday that the decision of the leadership of the National Assembly to effect changes in the Senate Standing Orders 2015 (as amended) was in conformity with precedence and the tradition of the Assembly to regulate its own procedure as guaranteed by the 1999 Constitution..

It was gathered that [b]the current leadership felt the need to effect some changes in the rules to make it in conformity with the yearnings of many senators during parliamentary delegations and induction courses..[/b]

We need to be unambiguous here. If you have answers to the following question please give them or we may have to wait for the people involved to answer the questions.

Which Senate leadership? The 7th Senate Leaders ? (David Mark and Ekweremadu) ? or The 'ones' elected on June 9 (Saraki and Ekweremadu)? or the Clerk of Senate or/and NASS.

Which current leadership? The 'ones' elected on June 9 (Saraki and Ekweremadu)? or the Clerk of Senate or/and NASS.

Please list the name (s) of the current National Assembly leadership that effected these changes.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

“Senator Ike Ekweremadu also said on the floor on June 24 that each Senate comes up with its own rules as seen in the adopted rules of 1999, 2003, 2007 and 2011,” the source in the National Assembly said..

“From 1999 to 2015, there is no time the executive got involved in the Senate standing rules and it appears they are crossing the line. The police cannot tell a lawmaking body the law to make for itself,” he said.
http://tribuneonlineng.com/how-senate-rule-book-was-altered-%E2%80%94investigation

Each senate (not faceless senators) comes with its own rule. All previous rules have origins and authors that have publicly narrated their roles and defended their inputs to the Senate standing orders

Who are the authors of Senate standing order 2015? Their names please.

Some Senators have rightly observed the '2015 rules' was not introduced as enshrined in the precursor document. They also observed significant changes have been made in the '2015 rule'. They are asking question and nobody is ready to answer.

They have done the right and legal thing by approaching the law enforcement officers to investigate and bring any offender to book. We the masses are very much interested in the conducts of our elected representatives. We want to know if they are worthy of our respect or not.

A Senate that is planted on forged rules would find it extremely hard to win the respect of observing masses.

Warmis:
who is that 1 man that can give then command and they will be removed @ 1nce? Since from 1999 apart from David all then leadership of the 2 chambers that really perfomed excellently and have the of @least 80% of the house either the Reps or the senate are not the chnoice of the executive... The choice of the executive have always been impeached most especially in the Reps.... And the leaders that were chosen by the House without any single external influence, are the leadership that always succeed............. Saraki/Ekweremadu are not the choice of the Presidency its very clear... With this @ least u should know that the sanate knows that its their leadership that they elected by themselves not by the executive as such tnhey will have a very solid ground to stay

This statement is not entirely correct. Let us dissect things further. These is the list of the Senate and HoR leaders from 1999 to date:

Senate President:

Chuba Okadigbo 1999-2000 PDP
Pius Anyim 2000-2003 PDP
Adolphus Wabar 2003-2005 PDP
Ken Nnamani 2005-2007 PDP
David Mark 2007-2015 PDP
*Bukola Saraki 2015-DATE APC

HoR Speaker:

Salisu Buhari 1999-2000 PDP
Ghali Na’Abba 2000-2003 PDP
Aminu B. Masari 2003-2007 PDP
Patricia Etteh 2007-2007 PDP
Oladimeji Bankole 2007-2011 PDP
Aminu W Tanbuwal 2011-2015 PDP
Yakubu Dogora 2015-DATE APC

Could you please categorize these Heads as 'choice of the executives' and 'non-choice of the executives'. From there we can establish if your hypothesis is true.

Vote of confidence ko, vote of madness ni, by d tym d ministry of justice come out with dia result, saraki will no longer require any impeachment as his road to d seat will automatically becomes null and void, he and his cohorts will be arrested without bail ,case settled.

Ghandi12:



We need to be unambiguous here. If you have answers to the following question please give them or we may have to wait for the people involved to answer the questions.

Which Senate leadership? The 7th Senate Leaders ? (David Mark and Ekweremadu) ? or The 'ones' elected on June 9 (Saraki and Ekweremadu)? or the Clerk of Senate or/and NASS.

Which current leadership? The 'ones' elected on June 9 (Saraki and Ekweremadu)? or the Clerk of Senate or/and NASS.

Please list the name (s) of the current National Assembly leadership that effected these changes.




Each senate (not faceless senators) comes with its own rule. All previous rules have origins and authors that have publicly narrated their roles and defended their inputs to the Senate standing orders

Who are the authors of Senate standing order 2015? Their names please.

Some Senators have rightly observed the '2015 rules' was not introduced as enshrined in the precursor document. They also observed significant changes have been made in the '2015 rule'. They are asking question and nobody is ready to answer.

They have done the right and legal thing by approaching the law enforcement officers to investigate and bring any offender to book. We the masses are very much interested in the conducts of our elected representatives. We want to know if they are worthy of our respect or not.

A Senate that is planted on forged rules would find it extremely hard to win the respect of observing masses.

You are shifting the goal post on each encounter.

The basis of this debate in anchored on certain facts which I have proved in the course of this debate as follows:

There is a document called Senate standing rules - Fact

Senator standing Rules are amended for each republic - 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 and finally 2015

That the 2015 wasn't a forged document rather an amendment of certain clauses in 2011 standing rules. However, there is a dispute on which body is responsible for the amendment, the Senate bureaucracy (clerks) or the Senate itself on the expiration of a republic.

That the so-called forge rules are being used presently in the 8th republic unchallenged.

That 75% of Senate hip ed a vote of confidence on the leadership of the Senate and made a categorical statement endorsing the said elections/selections into various leadership positions in the senate.

That the amendment is an internal legislative matter hence all effort by APC Leadership to put it on trial will be null and void.

I will let one . Now we will work with your template.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...There is a document called Senate standing rules - Fact
Senator standing Rules are amended for each republic - 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 and finally 2015...

Brilliant! we both agree there is a document called Senate standing rules.

Wrong! not all previous Senates amended the document; some Senate used it as ed-down. All recommended, deliberated, and approved amendments are all well documented.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

That the 2015 wasn't a forged document rather an amendment of certain clauses in 2011 standing rules. However, there is a dispute on which body is responsible for the amendment, the Senate bureaucracy (clerks) or the Senate itself on the expiration of a republic.

An amendment by unauthorized people is forgery. An amendment by people who are not ready to own-up publicly is also not less than forgery.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...However, there is a dispute on which body is responsible for the amendment...

There is no dispute on which body responsible for the amendment. The precursor rules have been amended and ratified by the 6th Senate on the procedure for amending any part of the rules thenceforth.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...the Senate bureaucracy (clerks) or the Senate itself on the expiration of a republic.

The parent rules is very clear on who has the power to amend any parts of the rules and how the rules can be amended. It can only be amended by the plenary of the Senate.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

That 75% of Senate hip ed a vote of confidence on the leadership of the Senate and made a categorical statement endorsing the said elections/selections into various leadership positions in the senate...

This statement or action does not legitimize the Senate rules 2015 (as amended).

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...That the amendment is an internal legislative matter hence all effort by APC Leadership to put it on trial will be null and void.

The Senate is a Federal Republic of Nigeria Senate. Funded by the public and answerable to public and legal court.
The document is not a 'beer-parlor' document - it is not internal and it is surely open to public scrutiny.

The people in Court are concerned 8th Assembly Senators that also believe the original document has been illegally tampered with.

Ghandi12:
I will let one . Now we will work with your template.



Brilliant! we both agree there is a document called Senate standing rules.

Wrong! not all previous Senates amended the document; some Senate used it as ed-down. All recommended, deliberated, and approved amendments are all well documented.




An amendment by unauthorized people is forgery. An amendment by people who are not ready to own-up publicly is also not less than forgery.



There is no dispute on which body responsible for the amendment. The precursor rules have been amended and ratified by the 6th Senate on the procedure for amending any part of the rules thenceforth.




The parent rules is very clear on who has the power to amend any parts of the rules and how the rules can be amended. It can only be amended by the plenary of the Senate.



This statement or action does not legitimize the Senate rules 2015 (as amended).



The Senate is a Federal Republic of Nigeria Senate. Funded by the public and answerable to public and legal court.
The document is not a 'beer-parlor' document - it is not internal and it is surely open to public scrutiny.

The people in Court are concerned 8th Assembly Senators that also believe the original document has been illegally tampered with.

All your arguments are null and void basically for avoiding the real deal.

Read this excerpt again and decode the Language.

Marafa, who particularly challenged the appointment of Senator Godswill Akpabio who is a first-time senator as minority leader, urged that the appointment should be declared null and void.

Citing Order 13(2) of the 2015 Senate Standing Rules, he argued that a ranking senator was supposed to have occupied the position given to Akpabio.

However, the Deputy President of the Senate, Ike Ekwerenmadu, insisted that the appointment of the officers was PDP’s affair and not the business of Marafa, who is an APC member.


http://www.punchng.com/news/akpabio-emerges-senate-minority-leader/

If the 2015 Senate Rules are being used presently in the 8th Republic Senate notwithstanding your so-called "forgery tag" on it, what does that make you?

Secondly, if an APC Senator was ruled out of order with reference to interpretation of a portion of the said rules on that he is not a PDP member. Then tell me what business is this said rules to a non Senator like you and APC leadership?

Certainly, by giving Senate Leadership 75% confidence vote, the APC Leadership and the Executive have been ruled out of order including the Judiciary hence it is internal Legislative matter and non of their business - QED

cabaliciouscabal:
Vote of confidence ko, vote of madness ni, by d tym d ministry of justice come out with dia result, saraki will no longer require any impeachment as his road to d seat will automatically becomes null and void, he and his cohorts will be arrested without bail ,case settled.

It's quite unfortunate that partisanship have beclouded your sense of judgment to understand that the Legislature is independent hence the police couldn't act after their so-called incriminating findings neither can the ministry of Justice under Executive branch have a say in this Legislative matter.

The so-called referral to Justice ministry was a face saving technique used by the Police and by extension the Executive branch of Government to kill their foolish interference to internal Legislative matters.

Intelligent debate is what I expected. It means you putting up response to all my positions and me defending my positions. I have responded to all you posited but you have derailed your own template I adopted. The following is an example of meaningful debate using your last positions:

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
...If the 2015 Senate Rules are being used presently in the 8th Republic Senate notwithstanding your so-called "forgery tag" on it, what does that make you?

Using the 2015 Senate Rules presently does not make it legitimate moreso as some Senators are in court to challenge its legitimacy. This is not a jungle where public financed body can run businesses with impunity and underhand approaches. FYI a private Lawyer once challenged the process of appointing service chiefs by the President without Senate clearance in court. The case was decided in his favour without any input from any Senator. Since this pronouncement it has become a law for newly-appointed service chiefs to be confirmed by the Senate.

I posit again altering a document without having legitimate right to do so is forgery. An altered document that nobody is owning-up to is orphaned and not less than forged.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
..Then tell me what business is this said rules to a non Senator like you and APC leadership?

I have advised you to take me up point-on-point so we wont have to merry-go-round.

The Senate is financed by public taxes from people like me. The Senate's conducts and decisions directly affect every Nigerian live home and abroad. Like the Lawyer that brought a change to the Senate without Senate input every Nigerian has the right to question perceived illegality.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
...Certainly, by giving Senate Leadership 75% confidence vote, the APC Leadership and the Executive have been ruled out of order including the Judiciary hence it is internal Legislative matter and non of their business - QED

Nobody rules Judiciary out on a disputable or disputed issue - not even the President. The Judiciary is the only one that can rule itself out. The Nigeria constitution empowers the court to entertain ALL disputes ALL (including disputes from NASS and Executives).

Ghandi12:
Intelligent debate is what I expected. It means you putting up response to all my positions and me defending my positions. I have responded to all you posited but you have derailed your own template I adopted. The following is an example of meaningful debate using your last positions:



Using the 2015 Senate Rules presently does not make it legitimate moreso as some Senators are in court to challenge its legitimacy. This is not a jungle where public financed body can run businesses with impunity and underhand approaches. FYI a private Lawyer once challenged the process of appointing service chiefs by the President without Senate clearance in court. The case was decided in his favour without any input from any Senator. Since this pronouncement it has become a law for newly-appointed service chiefs to be confirmed by the Senate.

I posit again altering a document without having legitimate right to do so is forgery. An altered document that nobody is owning-up to is orphaned and not less than forged.



I have advised you to take me up point-on-point so we wont have to merry-go-round.

The Senate is financed by public taxes from people like me. The Senate's conducts and decisions directly affect every Nigerian live home and abroad. Like the Lawyer that brought a change to the Senate without Senate input every Nigerian has the right to question perceived illegality.



Nobody rules Judiciary out on a disputable or disputed issue - not even the President. The Judiciary is the only one that can rule itself out. The Nigeria constitution empowers the court to entertain ALL disputes ALL (including disputes from NASS and Executives).

Stop repeating yourself.

I need instances where internal legislative matter (a perfect example here is how they choose their leaders) has been adjudicated by the court or the Executive ordering for criminal investigation.

Kill the debate by citing precedents. I don't need your opinions

Give us one example of an ex parte injunction granted by the court to stop any activity involving the Legislatures and their functions.

In Benue and Plateau States, APC Legislators emerged as Speakers notwithstanding their minority status yet it is not subject to litigation.

, a court can start a process but later throws it away for lack of jurisdiction.

For your information, the bone of contention in the amendment is elections of principal officer from shall be by "open ballot" to "secret ballot".

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

Stop repeating yourself.
I need instances where internal legislative matter (a perfect example here is how they choose their leaders) has being adjudicated by the court or the Executive ordering for criminal investigation.

No NASS leader has ever emerged through 'strange and controversial document' before so Saraki/Ekweramadu election is a novelty.
Could you please stop calling any Senate business internal legislative matters. The Executives as well as private citizens have the right to challenge all Senate activities in court.
The Nigeria court have the power to adjudicate in any matter that has become disputed (within the NASS, within the Executive or between the arms of Government).

As a demonstration of Judicial power over ALL disputes.

The 7th NASS has the constitutional power to amend the constitution but here the Presidency successfully challenged the NASS effort and brought it to nullity through the court.

Supreme Court stops N’ Assembly over constitution’s amendments
By Lemmy Ughegbe, Abuja on May 8, 2015
nigerian constitutionTHE Supreme Court yesterday barred the National Assembly from taking any step to into law the Fourth Alteration Act which seeks to further amend the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999 as amended...
... According to him, since the dispute is not between the Federal Government and the federating units, the proper person to file the suit should be the President.

...The AGF said: ‎”Hon. Samson Osagie, Minority Whip of the House of Representatives said to the whole world at a press conference purposely called on the issue of this suit , that despite any case filed against the said Act (which actually is a Bill), the National Assembly would go ahead to it into law.”

... ‎”That I listened to Hon. Samson Osagie, the Minority Whip of the House of Representatives on the NTA 9 O’clock News on 24/04/2015 when he said that the National Assembly would go ahead to the (Fourth Alteration) Act (Bill) 2015 into law despite any Court action because no order had been made against the National Assembly to restrain it from doing so.
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The court nullified the NASS effort and ruled in favor of the Presidency.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:

...For your information, the bone of contention in the amendment is elections of principal officer from shall be by "open ballot" to "secret ballot".

The bone of contention in the petition to the Police is what will likely be contended and determined in the court.

What gibberish r u spewing like this?

IsraeliAIRFORCE:


I never said nor am I debating whether Buhari is qualified or not to contest for presidency rather his famous inglorious press conference where he said "I have instructed the Principal of my old school to publish my Cambridge WASC statement of result" unquote.

It happened that what was released was a fake result whereby one Mohammed was impersonated to be Gen Buhari notwithstanding the poor job done in the process of the forgery.

Ghandi12:


No NASS leader has ever emerged through 'strange and controversial document' before so Saraki/Ekweramadu election is a novelty.
Could you please stop calling any Senate business internal legislative matters. The Executives as well as private citizens have the right to challenge all Senate activities in court.
The Nigeria court have the power to adjudicate in any matter that has become disputed (within the NASS, within the Executive or between the arms of Government).

As a demonstration of Judicial power over ALL disputes.

The 7th NASS has the constitutional power to amend the constitution but here the Presidency successfully challenged the NASS effort and brought it to nullity through the court.



The court nullified the NASS effort and ruled in favor of the Presidency.



The bone of contention in the petition to the Police is what will likely be contended and determined in the court.

The reference you quoted deals with constitutional matters which is outside the scope of this debate.

Back to the topic.

Investigation and Inferences - Police thinks it may be Internal Legislative matters

The excerpts:

[b]Efeturi, on the other hand, however, affirmed that the production of the 2015 Standing Rules was in line with convention as he said that the same procedure was used in the production of the standing rules in 2003, 2007 and 2011.

Efeturi, who is about the longest serving legislative bureaucrat in the National Assembly with experience running from the Second Republic, according to the police report is quoted as saying that “the Senate Standing Orders 2003, 2007 and 2011 followed the same procedure as that of the 2015.

“He emphasised that in the parliament, amendment of Standing Orders is by practice and not necessarily by procedure. He further stated that the ruling of the Senate President on the June 24, 2015 that the Senate Standing Orders of the Senate 2015 is authentic is final, relevant and cannot be challenged. He attached a copy of the debates of the Senate on Wednesday, June 24 24 where the Senate President ruled that the Senate Standing Order 2015 was the authentic Standing Orders of the 8th Senate.”

The police in its findings nevertheless dismissed Efeturi’s contention, saying that so long as it was not done in the lifetime of the Mark Senate that it was irregular.

But despite the dismissal of that submission, the police drew back from making an indictment. Rather, the police sought counsel from the Attorney General on whether the issue was a crime or leave it as an internal affair of the Senate.[/b]


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/07/alleged-forgery-of-senate-rules-controversy-as-police-seek-political-solution/

I love everthing bin said,well think aftermt of all scenario,two is dangerous for party I think,removing him big problem forcing him apologies another one too,saraki can do anything to remain as senate president,if dt can't possible fr him ds w b ur beging of spliting ( APC )he strongly has the backen of some unrelenting force under,!!!!!!! God bless nigeria and nigerians

IsraeliAIRFORCE:



Will you vote in the Senate?

Will APC Governors vote?

Will Buhari vote?

Can't you see that 49 PDP Senators, 3 Kwara State APC Senators and the APC Senators of nPDP extraction have disdain for APC leadership.

It's unfortunate you are still living in Obasanjo's (1999 democratic experiment) era. Nigeria has moved on, with Tambuwal HOR Speakership including defection, party leadership was helpless hence APC leadership has no say in the Senate.

Twice APC Leadership decided, thrice the Senate disgraced them. 75% Senators against Mr President and Tinubu is a frantic statement unless you want to set Nigeria on fire.

Your so-called banana peels formula failed when Tambuwal presided over

And u failed 2 undstand dat d d standin order dat bought Saraki 2 power was forged,Mr man slaughterin is ny d only means of killin goatHOR for four complete years.