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The Road To Kigali: Rwanda's Progress Vs Nigeria's Failure (3966 Views)
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debosky(m): 1:15pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/editorial_opinion/article02//indexn2_html?pdate=200209&ptitle=The%20road%20to%20Kigali This is an African country coming out of civil war, but can still get a few things right. Why can't we do this in Nigeria"> |
TalkSmith: 1:48pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Probably Nigeria should tow the line of Rwanda before we realize the true state of failure existing in the country? ![]() |
debosky(m): 2:19pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
I'm not saying that, but it seems Rwanda is getting it's act together after facing much worse problems compared to Nigeria, with a smaller resource base as well. Why can't we harness our own potentials? ![]() |
Re: The Road To Kigali: Rwanda's Progress Vs Nigeria's Failure by Nobody: 2:53pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
TalkSmith: Your comment shows that you dont know anything about the Biafran/nigerian civil war unlike Rwandans. Nigeria had already towed that line but will always refuse to make the best out of anything; good or bad. Rwanda is massively progressing cos they used the ugly side of the genocide to unite themselves, while their nigerian counterparts keep churning out lies about the genocide on Biafrans. Even at this age, some top nigerian leaders boast publicly of how they massacred Biafrians. Shame. As for Abati, I dont take him seriously anymore. |
mustafar1: 2:56pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
nigeria has really not learned much from its past.
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asha80(m): 3:14pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Even angola is progressing. ![]() |
TalkSmith: 3:20pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
nuzo:Typical Nigerian! Quick to open his gob and spit out nonsense. If we had the Biafran war, what progress has it brought unto us unlike what is obtainable with Rwanda today? Has it made any lasting realization on the need for development in Nigeria? While I share your sentiments on Reuben Abati and his penchant for land acquisition and brown envelopes, I am quick to remind myself, that it is not about the messenger, rather it is about the message. Spare yourself the same thought. Was the message well delivered? YES! |
Re: The Road To Kigali: Rwanda's Progress Vs Nigeria's Failure by Nobody: 3:37pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
TalkSmith: This was your comment: TalkSmith:It was more of a question to the message than a statement. So, why blame me for commenting according to what you put down. Maybe next time, you should try hard to convey exactly your thoughts in your comments. Im no prophet. While I share your sentiments on Reuben Abati and his penchant for land acquisition and brown envelopes, I am quick to remind myself, that it is not about the messenger, rather it is about the message. Spare yourself the same thought. No doubt, the message was well delivered. Am not argueing that. However, just like you believe in messages without regards to the messenger, thats how i believe in "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands", "he who lives in glass house must not throw stones". I even used another paragraph to comment on his person and not his message. |
asha80(m): 3:40pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Typical Nigerian! Quick to open his gob and spit out nonsense. If we had the Biafran war, what progress has it brought unto us unlike what is obtainable with Rwanda today? Has it made any lasting realization on the need for development in Nigeria? If after the biafran war progress was not brought into nigeria what makes you think another was is going to bring progress into nigeria ![]() |
BOSS7: 3:42pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky:Wetin Abati dey yearn? No be 39years after civil war he suppose talk? Or the issue of the land don dey worry am? My calculator says na 39years e be after civil war of 1970. [size=14pt][center]Oh well, Mr Abati, how far with Abuja Land now?[/center][/size] |
mustafar1: 3:44pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
BOSS what is ur own? cant he give discount again. at least he got a discount on his land so why cant he return the favor.
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debosky(m): 3:46pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
@ BOSS focus on the subject matter, not Abati. There is something fundamentally wrong with the way we are doing things if we can't even seem to make progress given all our inherent advantages. Why can't we get things straight? The article posits that it is due to poor leadership - is that the problem? Is poor leadership the reason why okada men in Lagos defecate by the roadside? Or is it the cause of so many people not paying tax? |
mustafar1: 3:53pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky: I totally agree, but i bet some would argue that its because the 'leadership' aka government didnt provide public bathrooms thats why they do their BS by the road side. they might even go further and argue that, even if there were public bathrooms. the people are too poor to afford to pay to use them. Nonsense! always giving excuses for everything they know should not be. |
TalkSmith: 3:58pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
asha 80:I do no think so. It is easier to destroy, than to build. If what we have on ground is not working, development is not staring at us vividly in the face, why continue with the system? Is there any point to it? ![]() nuzo:Sir, maybe next time, you should request I make clear my thoughts with my comments rather than corner my inputs into a box. I would have gladly obliged doing that. If you had paid note, I had an emoticon expressing ''an indecision'' to my statement which meant that my input was not conclusive and still a subject of deliberation within me. Oh well! ![]() Cheers. |
asha80(m): 4:14pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
I do no think so. It is easier to destroy, than to build. If what we have on ground is not working, development is not staring at us vividly in the face, why continue with the system? Is there any point to it? Then what do you think is going to spur that development? |
BOSS7: 4:16pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky:@ Debosky When it comes to taxes, I think Abati might have got this one right. In developed countries, people are forced to pay their taxes and they are well aware of the implications if they don’t. So I’ll say the messenger hit the bulls eyes with that point. I my dog trainer once told me that had he known earlier on, he’d had lied to the government and rather than declare his real earnings. Disclaimer. I guess I still have every right to shoot the messenger for his lack of trust so far and refusing to speak to his readers when they need him most. |
Jarus(m): 4:40pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Sincerely,I'm finding it difficult to take Abati writings/opinions seriously again. I'm also still waiting for Segun Adeniyi to end his tenure with Yar'adua and come back to criticize government on newspaper pages again |
meexteriox(m): 4:53pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
No society can be flourishing and happy, of which the greater part of the are poor and miserable. |
debosky(m): 5:00pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
@ BOSS I hear your disclaimer loud and clear, you're fully within your rights. Now back to the subject. We need our tax system firmed up seriously. I believe this is one area in which we are severely lacking. When you don't think your money is involved, you won't really care. I think it could help ginger more people to care about governance. After the civil war, I believe there was a theme 'no victor, no vanquished'. That is to say, no winners no losers. Is this the reason why there is no memorial to the Civil War? I know we have armed forces remembrance day, but nothing to ordinary people who would have lost their lives in the war and all that. I find it curious that you hear little about this important subject in school. Why bury our history? Failure to learn from history only leads to it's repetition. |
lucabrasi(m): 5:02pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky:lol lol i tire o,what has abati got to do with the situation in nigeria ![]() however back to the topic, i disagree with the over used notion of poor leadership,while we are quick to blame the political leadership,when they are campaigning,we will collect billions from them before voting , so why wouldnt they get there and start looting to recover their losses? how many of us both home and abroad obey simple traffic rules while in nigeria,throw rubbish out of the window e.t.c how many of us are truelly patriotic without aligning with our various tribes at the hint of any debate or argument? lastly how many of us abroad are truelly committed to seeing true change and not grandstanding all the time and patronising us including my way or the highway syndrome, they know themselves and are lurking around lol |
debosky(m): 5:11pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
lucabrasi:name names jo! ![]() back to topic. You disagree with the leadership notion - what if that is the agent of 'change' causing a difference in Rwanda? Should that be disregarded? People collecting 'billions' from candidates is a bit wide of the mark IMO, most of that money goes to the riggers/thugs, not to the electorate. In any case, doesn't it show a failure of leadership, at least in the political organs/structures/parties we have? If the candidates that keep coming out are these money seeking ones, why can't our political organs correct this and begin to produce more credible candidates like Oshiomole and Utomi? |
Re: The Road To Kigali: Rwanda's Progress Vs Nigeria's Failure by Nobody: 5:19pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Have we solved the problem of citizenship yet? Do our votes count? When are we going to end the slavish dependence on oil alone? the day we get those three right we'd be far better than Kigali. |
Sauron1: 5:27pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky: It's part of it. If the head gets infected, the foot might decay. ![]() ![]() ![]() Nigeria's problem is a complex one. I don't even know where to start. The natural resources we have got in Nigeria is our greatest undoing. Over reliance on OIL has made us lazy compared to other African states who don't export oil. Besides, our leaders are just ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
desgiezd(m): 5:35pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Nigeria has really not learned much from its past. And its still not learning anyting at all, even now |
Hauwa1: 5:37pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Nigeria is a sorry country. Too good Rwanda is making it and too bad she is not. Giant of Africa indeed. Baboonic Leaders! |
Sauron1: 5:41pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
*Hauwa*: The Tutsis and the Hutus have now pulled themselves together and things are working. It's about time Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba follow suit but would they?? I think some people get paid with the sorry state Nigeria has found itself. |
lucabrasi(m): 5:43pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
debosky:dont even start any rumble in the jungle here o,they attack in packs and i dont want wahala ![]() ![]() you are right but nigeria and rwanda have different sociological and pshycological issues,before we even look at the different politics,i am saying a buttom up approach will be catalytic in not only solving the problems of patriotism and real committment from us average nigerians,but been united in our resolve to fight the powers at the top. you think so,i implore you to follow an electoral aspirant around for a week and see how much they spend on campaigns,presently now if you want to be a governor and you dont have billions,forget about it,most of the money goes to the riggers and thugs,but the 500 nairas goes to the average voter as well,they have the mind set that they want their reward here and now and not waiting for the leader to emerge,dericas of rice every week,cows,rams e.t.c i could go on,once we start to reject this and actually vote our conscience,why would an aspirant need to do deals with the devil/godfathers when he/she know that they dont need to break the bank to contest. there should be ibternal democracy and parties should sponsor candidates rather than candidates having to sponsor themselves,this will make them more able to the party who sponsored them in like the system practised in the uk |
asha80(m): 5:47pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Have we solved the problem of citizenship yet? Do our votes count? GBAM! |
tpia: 5:58pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
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Re: The Road To Kigali: Rwanda's Progress Vs Nigeria's Failure by Nobody: 6:01pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
Kigali is the capital of Rwanda, did Abati go to other areas? I would assume Nigeria was the best place on earth if i only visited Asokoro and Gwagwalada. |
debosky(m): 6:08pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
tpia:Based on what? Reality of life in Nigeria or some overblown 'giant of Africa' notion? What in your opinion would make Rwandans want to be Nigerians? Your reference to Namibia is puzzling - the only 'genocide' I know of was carried out by the Germans in 1904-1907, not by rival tribes against each other. Can you please clarify? Are you implying that the country will still fall into another cycle of violence? If your assertion that they have always been efficient is true, at least that energy is being channelled into achieving an orderly society. Tribal references are also being toned down to achieve unity. Why can't we do likewise? @ David I suspect that might be the great flaw in Abati's analysis, but he does make it clear that a lot of it is in relation to Kigali. Now speaking about Abuja, I don't agree - Policemen still accept bribe in Abuja and power outages happen as well. Okadas might be banned, but I'm sure some idiots still defecate in public in Abuja ![]() |
presido1: 6:11pm On Feb 20, 2009 |
must_a_far:If the government is working Okada man will not act that way believe me. The Govt, can make law but they don't enforce it. People litter the street even in the west but if they are caught they will be fined. Who catches them? not fellow street s but Govt agents(might be paid officers or Camera). Who will catch okada man when he acts nobody. So the govt failed to put in place what with check those acts thats why they take the blame. Nigerian problem is too complex that nobody knows where to start addressing it. If we can correct the citadel of justice first we might have a chance to correct other areas. Who will correct it will be the next question that comes to mind. Again we cannot achieve anything without UNITY. We have been skipping that for a long time, we all shout One Nigeria which we know within ourselves that such doesn't exist. If we can do things by merit and quota we might as well have a chance of meeting up with other countries like Rwanda(pathetic we are trying to be like Rwanda) again can we take the line of merit? not in the near future. Since we cannot vote them in we cannot question them. Until our votes starts to count we haven't got a chance to move ahead. |