NewStats: 3,262,365 , 8,176,942 topics. Date: Monday, 02 June 2025 at 01:33 AM k6k52

Cyberknight:


Lol. You're right to say the petition is not required, but for a different reason: the petition unfortunately makes no difference - the govt will simply forge on with what it's decided. Second Brexit referendum petition had 2.5 million signatures, and the Revoke Article 50 petition had 6 million signatures - Brexit went ahead. The "Net Zero Immigration" petition ( https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700824) is already more than double this one and counting.

Labour is U-turning upandan on previous policies like the WFA and 2 child cap, under pressure from Reform which is picking up and adopting policies anyhow. The proper left is on the march as well. Ms. Rayner called for an increase in IHS and other measures to make things tighter for immigrants. Even The Guardian is firing warning shots (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/25/the-charts-that-show-just-how-worried-labour-should-be-about-the-polls).

Alas, much as all of us on visas fervently wish otherwise, I think Labour's more likely to go ahead with its measures than not.

Cc: TouchOfSpice

Lexusgs430:



This petition is probably not required..... Simply because the proposed changes, would ONLY be applicable to new applications (assuming law is ed)...... 😊😁

We go block you for that tunnel wey you Dey regularly by the time they implement the changes 😜 Dey play!

Goke7:


We go block you for that tunnel wey you Dey regularly by the time they implement the changes 😜 Dey play!

All those on old policies, would be ring fenced (so una guide)...... 😂💍😉

I no gree through blackwall tunnel again, since una mayor don implement new tunnel tax..... 😂🤣

Tier4Dependant:


I have been following your posts regarding this matter. You are always so sure it won’t be applicable to existing skilled worker visa holders. Is there sth you are not telling us? Bros I no trust you ooo abi you dey chill with Home Secretary lowkey

I am simply going by precedent implementations, from previous shift in legislations....... The government are simply looking at influx of people, that would automatically have automatic rights to public funds + considering their own children, that prefer the welfare state, against seeking employment.........😉😂

The financial burden would become unbearable for the state, hence trying to use a change/shift in legislation, to dial back the forseen impact(affecting all) ........ 🤣

ahmedio2017:



I just hope they didn't implement that yeye proposals

They would unfortunately, go ahead with implementation...... Let's just hope people have the shoulders, to bear the impact.......

Tier4Dependant:


I have been following your posts regarding this matter. You are always so sure it won’t be applicable to existing skilled worker visa holders. Is there sth you are not telling us? Bros I no trust you ooo abi you dey chill with Home Secretary lowkey

People go on tiktok live, X spaces etc etc, thinking if they only spoke their local dialects, they are safe or within a safe space ......

They are forgetting that our children are employed within decision making sectors, who would infiltrate this discussion forums and their employers....... 😁😊

Lexusgs430:


All those on old policies, would be ring fenced (so una guide)...... 😂💍😉

I no gree through blackwall tunnel again, since una mayor don implement new tunnel tax..... 😂🤣

You go pay walai shebi Una wan drive people comot, when the pm Dey increase everything Una no say the man get plans? 😂 where e wan see money take care of una

Lexusgs430:


They would unfortunately, go ahead with implementation...... Let's just hope people have the shoulders, to bear the impact.......

Apart from the ilr eligibility, I hear most of the white paper proposals don’t need legislation but simply adjustments to the existing rules to effect the changes

Lexusgs430:


They would unfortunately, go ahead with implementation...... Let's just hope people have the shoulders, to bear the impact.......

Ahh that will be serious o I won't deceive you, is not easy, one will pack shït for a good 10years Omo.

Goke7:


You go pay walai shebi Una wan drive people comot, when the pm Dey increase everything Una no say the man get plans? 😂 where e wan see money take care of una

You include for this una o........ 🤣😁

ahmedio2017:



Ahh that will be serious o I won't deceive you, is not easy, one will pack shït for a good 10years Omo.

And after packing shit for 10 years, another prime minister comes in and increases it to 15 years.

Raalsalghul:


And after packing shit for 10 years, another prime minister comes in and increases it to 15 years.

Wahala...... 😁😂

Raalsalghul:


And after packing shit for 10 years, another prime minister comes in and increases it to 15 years.

Lolz why na, I pray those things not materialize.

What really motivates you?

I wish you a merry Christmas
I wish you a merry Christmas
I wish you a merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year

I recently had to start using medication because of elevated blood pressure – I will be fine. When you have to worry about staff salaries and sundry business expenses (for 12 months, this was £100k/monthly) with no hope in sight and then spend 12-15 hours daily for months working on product development and iterating, you get to acquire some unnecessary companions. I’m working hard to get myself rid of them.

I recall sometime back, and I was having a frank discussion with myself. I telling my heart that I was cool parting ways with it. I told it that I was so convinced that I could run my body without it and it just had to behave if it wanted to be part of me. My wife when I later told her of my brief meeting with myself concluded I needed help.

I mean I recall weeks where I slept on the carpet in the living room. I needed to be close to the designated space I work best from in the house. I had no choice. If I needed to wake up when my alarm came on, I needed to be as uncomfortable as possible. The carpet was the best solution. God bless my missus. She had to buy some inflatable contraption for me and was from time to time keeping me company there. She has a good heart.

In the midst of all of these things, one question that I have always been asked by my wife but for which I have never given her the answer has been – Chukwuka, what drives you like this? With all of the pains and difficulty and costs accompanying building, accreditation, compliance, research and all, why do you still work this hard? I mean I could take a consulting gig and be fine. I could sell our businesses and their IP, be a dollar millionaire and just be living on interest rate!

I will today answer this question.

I grew up in Deeperlife and as I matured, there was something about Deeperlife and later Winners and other notable Pentecostal churches that awed me. You see, these churches were global. With branches across nations all around the world, they had set up a network that allowed them to do something amazing – they could literally take someone from a village in Ebonyi State and transfer that individual and their families to Plano, Texas or London, UK. I mean, there is no other level of empowerment or opportunity for human fulfilment than that. This was something that was common among the MNCs especially the oil and gas companies. I mean, I left Nigeria to the UK for master’s same day my undergrad classmate also left for for training with one of the major oil servicing companies as a new recruit. This has always fascinated me. A “local boy” from Nigeria could set up a church in Nigeria, expand it globally and practically move other “local boys” as pastors from one station to another. Nothing beats this for me.

I believe in human capacity development. I am always eager to see humans live fulfilling lives and access every opportunity they can and need for their fulfilment. In today’s world, mobility is the single most important factor for Nigerians to enjoy fulfilled lives. In my many travels, when I see young folks just expressing themselves and shining, I smile. This here is life – people living their lives confidently and with all the needed to live fulfilled.

I thus work hard because I want to set up something similar for my staff. One thing I know for sure is that in the next few years, I would have achieved this. Staff being able to move from Nigeria to the UK or Amsterdam or Dubai or San Francisco within the business. Staff being able to attend executive training programs in Lagos, Stanford or London or Oxford or Paris routinely and paid for from their training allowance. Staff being able to earn equivalent competitive salaries irrespective of where they want to be based. Staff being fulfilled. I have no business with customers, that is the job of sales and marketing. My business is with the staff who have decided to partner with me on this journey. This is what I want to achieve for our business. I want to setup the ecosystem that will allow them grow, develop broad range of skillsets and command global respect. I want to provide them that platform. I don’t need it – their fulfilment is all I dream of. I want my staff well empowered and confident in their roles. I am working hard daily to set the foundations to achieve these tall dreams.

Why, someone may ask. It is because I want my staff to have this as a lifestyle so that when they leave to start their own businesses, they can take this culture they have imbibed from us and improve on it in their own businesses. I want to catalyse a chain reaction of business owners who deliver excellence in both products/services they offer and in the quality of opportunities and remuneration they provide their staff.

Some time back, some acquaintance was discussing with me and ionately advising me to get a house and a car. He told me of folks around and in church who had theirs. Sincerely, I celebrate them. As I write this, I don’t still own a home, nor do I have a car. My spreadsheet analysis shows I can’t afford either. When my wife ed her driving exams (I am yet to even do my theory test), she was adamant on getting a car. I advised her to do a spreadsheet analysis for 1 year. She came to the same conclusion as I did. We trek a lot (helps with weight reduction and fitness), use the bus (my wife is an expert on their schedule) and complement a lot with Uber. I hope to be in the comfortable position to afford these luxuries someday in the future.

This is my motivation. Building a global brand that will compete with the Octopus and Flexitricity of today but globally and give “local boys” and “local girls” the opportunity to be fulfilled people.

What is your motivation? Does it just revolve around you and your family alone? We have been blessed with an incredible opportunity of travelling to “the abroad”. Can we use this opportunity to unlock more opportunities for more folks (local boys and girls) back home. It will put a smile on the face of our creator up there.

Have a splendid evening.

Chukwuka16:
What really motivates you?

I wish you a merry Christmas
I wish you a merry Christmas
I wish you a merry Christmas
And a Happy New Year

I recently had to start using medication because of elevated blood pressure – I will be fine. When you have to worry about staff salaries and sundry business expenses (for 12 months, this was £100k/monthly) with no hope in sight and then spend 12-15 hours daily for months working on product development and iterating, you get to acquire some unnecessary companions. I’m working hard to get myself rid of them.

I recall sometime back, and I was having a frank discussion with myself. I telling my heart that I was cool parting ways with it. I told it that I was so convinced that I could run my body without it and it just had to behave if it wanted to be part of me. My wife when I later told her of my brief meeting with myself concluded I needed help.

I mean I recall weeks where I slept on the carpet in the living room. I needed to be close to the designated space I work best from in the house. I had no choice. If I needed to wake up when my alarm came on, I needed to be as uncomfortable as possible. The carpet was the best solution. God bless my missus. She had to buy some inflatable contraption for me and was from time to time keeping me company there. She has a good heart.

In the midst of all of these things, one question that I have always been asked by my wife but for which I have never given her the answer has been – Chukwuka, what drives you like this? With all of the pains and difficulty and costs accompanying building, accreditation, compliance, research and all, why do you still work this hard? I mean I could take a consulting gig and be fine. I could sell our businesses and their IP, be a dollar millionaire and just be living on interest rate!

I will today answer this question.

I grew up in Deeperlife and as I matured, there was something about Deeperlife and later Winners and other notable Pentecostal churches that awed me. You see, these churches were global. With branches across nations all around the world, they had set up a network that allowed them to do something amazing – they could literally take someone from a village in Ebonyi State and transfer that individual and their families to Plano, Texas or London, UK. I mean, there is no other level of empowerment or opportunity for human fulfilment than that. This was something that was common among the MNCs especially the oil and gas companies. I mean, I left Nigeria to the UK for master’s same day my undergrad classmate also left for for training with one of the major oil servicing companies as a new recruit. This has always fascinated me. A “local boy” from Nigeria could set up a church in Nigeria, expand it globally and practically move other “local boys” as pastors from one station to another. Nothing beats this for me.

I believe in human capacity development. I am always eager to see humans live fulfilling lives and access every opportunity they can and need for their fulfilment. In today’s world, mobility is the single most important factor for Nigerians to enjoy fulfilled lives. In my many travels, when I see young folks just expressing themselves and shining, I smile. This here is life – people living their lives confidently and with all the needed to live fulfilled.

I thus work hard because I want to set up something similar for my staff. One thing I know for sure is that in the next few years, I would have achieved this. Staff being able to move from Nigeria to the UK or Amsterdam or Dubai or San Francisco within the business. Staff being able to attend executive training programs in Lagos, Stanford or London or Oxford or Paris routinely and paid for from their training allowance. Staff being able to earn equivalent competitive salaries irrespective of where they want to be based. Staff being fulfilled. I have no business with customers, that is the job of sales and marketing. My business is with the staff who have decided to partner with me on this journey. This is what I want to achieve for our business. I want to setup the ecosystem that will allow them grow, develop broad range of skillsets and command global respect. I want to provide them that platform. I don’t need it – their fulfilment is all I dream of. I want my staff well empowered and confident in their roles. I am working hard daily to set the foundations to achieve these tall dreams.

Why, someone may ask. It is because I want my staff to have this as a lifestyle so that when they leave to start their own businesses, they can take this culture they have imbibed from us and improve on it in their own businesses. I want to catalyse a chain reaction of business owners who deliver excellence in both products/services they offer and in the quality of opportunities and remuneration they provide their staff.

Some time back, some acquaintance was discussing with me and ionately advising me to get a house and a car. He told me of folks around and in church who had theirs. Sincerely, I celebrate them. As I write this, I don’t still own a home, nor do I have a car. My spreadsheet analysis shows I can’t afford either. When my wife ed her driving exams (I am yet to even do my theory test), she was adamant on getting a car. I advised her to do a spreadsheet analysis for 1 year. She came to the same conclusion as I did. We trek a lot (helps with weight reduction and fitness), use the bus (my wife is an expert on their schedule) and complement a lot with Uber. I hope to be in the comfortable position to afford these luxuries someday in the future.

This is my motivation. Building a global brand that will compete with the Octopus and Flexitricity of today but globally and give “local boys” and “local girls” the opportunity to be fulfilled people.

What is your motivation? Does it just revolve around you and your family alone? We have been blessed with an incredible opportunity of travelling to “the abroad”. Can we use this opportunity to unlock more opportunities for more folks (local boys and girls) back home. It will put a smile on the face of our creator up there.

Have a splendid evening.

Hello sir, I am silent reader that enjoy your post in which you always share your invaluable experiences and knowledge which motivate some of us .

Many thanks for this.

Please, I would like to encourage you to get your driving license. I think it is very important, more especially as a family, talk more as a business.

Raalsalghul:


And after packing shit for 10 years, another prime minister comes in and increases it to 15 years.

Maybe that is his destiny in life... to pack shits.
Don't fight against destiny bro

Chukwuka16:
What really motivates you?



This is my motivation. Building a global brand that will compete with the Octopus and Flexitricity of today but globally and give “local boys” and “local girls” the opportunity to be fulfilled people.

What is your motivation? Does it just revolve around you and your family alone? We have been blessed with an incredible opportunity of travelling to “the abroad”. Can we use this opportunity to unlock more opportunities for more folks (local boys and girls) back home. It will put a smile on the face of our creator up there.

Have a splendid evening.

Short and insightful. As Nigerians, what can we do to help with human capacity development back home? Also, how can we partner with others home and abroad to start building companies and industries that will compete globally. I am increasingly becoming worried that we are being left behind by the world especially in thi age of AI and autonomous weapons. If anyone has an idea and needs a partner, I can consider. But it must be Nigeria focused

justwise:


Couldn’t have said it better, the fact that you get treated first despite your immigration status is a huge plus for me. You can not put a price tag on the value of the healthcare system here.

For a population, a system like the NHS is enviable. On an individual basis, the considerations are different.

Many people could double their income and pay less tax while doing same job just by moving to the U.S. An out of pocket insurance would cost much less than the extra tax paid in the UK and also guarantee prompt care -reason why many head that way.

Also, it does seem that universal free healthcare is not a political priority for most Americans. They have interventions that protect most who are struggling and many Americans would say the scaremongering about their healthcare seems to come from Europe and is hardly that way on ground - of course, this is punctuated by stories of some who fell through the cracks.

Lastly, the NHS model is increasingly being called into question. While brilliant, it's sustainability as it matures is suspect. Bottomline is that people would tend to misuse what they see as 'free'. Some countries are now able to achive better or similar outcomes while spending comparatively much less. Even in , folks pay for GP appts, in Canada, many clinics would charge for missed appts (just like my UK dentist would), in Australia there is copay e.t.c.

Cyberknight:


Labour is U-turning upandan on previous policies like the WFA and 2 child cap, under pressure from Reform which is picking up and adopting policies anyhow. The proper left is on the march as well. Ms. Rayner called for an increase in IHS and other measures to make things tighter for immigrants. Even The Guardian is firing warning shots (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/25/the-charts-that-show-just-how-worried-labour-should-be-about-the-polls).

Policy-wise, the WFA seems to have done them the most havoc. Haven't met any older person who wasn't seething at the mention of it.
It makes the prospect of our triple-lock more interesting as years roll by.

jedisco:


For a population, a system like the NHS is enviable. On an individual basis, the considerations are different.

Many people could double their income and pay less tax while doing same job just by moving to the U.S. An out of pocket insurance would cost much less than the extra tax paid in the UK and also guarantee prompt care -reason why many head that way.

Also, it does seem that universal free healthcare is not a political priority for most Americans. They have interventions that protect most who are struggling and many Americans would say the scaremongering about their healthcare seems to come from Europe and is hardly that way on ground - of course, this is punctuated by stories of some who fell through the cracks.

Lastly, the NHS model is increasingly being called into question. While brilliant, it's sustainability as it matures is suspect. Bottomline is that people would tend to misuse what they see as 'free'. Some countries are now able to achive better or similar outcomes while spending comparatively much less. Even in , folks pay for GP appts, in Canada, many clinics would charge for missed appts (just like my UK dentist would), in Australia there is copay e.t.c.

It's not falling through the cracks when between half and two thirds of bankruptcies are due to health issues. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans

Health outcomes are also the worst among developed countries. It has the the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rates for avoidable or treatable conditions, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2023/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2022

Even when you do get health insurance, the companies can and do arbitrarily deny claims and leave people with no recourse, often to literally drop dead. https://archive.is/NW5fP

These are facts, not scaremongering.

I do agree about earning potential though. Personally tidying things up to put my EB1 petition in for that reason but I'm still in doubt as to whether to actually go when it comes, and healthcare is a top consideration in that.

I also agree the NHS’s sustainability is in question, but I doubt that even when it's adjusted like adding payments for some things, it'll get to the disastrous level that US healthcare currently is at.

Overall, for me, living in the UK and paying the high taxes to fund things like healthcare, security, welfare etc. feels like paying into an insurance policy — I might not need it often and I'm unlikely to use the healthcare system in particular much (age) or get any benefits (income), but the peace of mind and collective safety net are very strong incentives.

Been a minute but id like to give my 2 cents on the immigration palava

With the immigration brouhaha having died down (for the time being) and having examined facts and analysis with a clear mind bereft of bias, I would like to offer my 2 cents which will be broken down into headings. Links will also be provided for clarity and for confirmation of what is being said where possible

Nigerian students - Facts

Before I go into it, I will like to clear some facts which will be in the form of "questions", some of which I have observed people making funny claims about on this thread in the last few weeks -

1. Was it easier to enter the UK as students? Yes.
2. Was the system exploited? Yes, by both the British gov and students
3. Was it mutually beneficial at the time? Yes
4. Was it necessary to reduce immigration? Yes
5. Will this have harmful effects on UK Universities and student towns? Yes.

According to the white paper here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

"In 2022/23, international students contributed over £12 billion in tuition fees to Higher Education Institutions in the UK and contributed to the UK’s world leading research sector"

6. Is the rhetoric against students / legal immigrants justified? No.

I do believe the gov uses it as a shield to cover up their ineptitude and shift focus from the illegal immigrants they take in and feed/house on the tax payer's dime. They have no idea what to do to stop this as it needs "a measure of violence" to stop

Use the past to predict the future:

I have been in the UK since 2022 and I have always complained on this thread about how immigrant students who contribute to the economy in leaps and bounds have been treated and insulted. Part of this harmful rhetoric, misinformation and disinformation about migrants is what lead to the anti-immigration / race riots of 2024.

Riots where even the Kemi Badenochs and Oga Starmers of this thread and the "I am a British citizen already, the Gov can insult those dirty immigrants" hordes could not go out for fear of being attacked -
https://www.reuters.com/pictures/pictures-anti-immigration-riots-erupt-across-britain-2024-08-05/

The past is often an indicator of the future, and policies of a gov are shaped by the rhetoric it drives in the media. For instance, following the UK leaving the EU, I made a decision to come to the UK based on this post - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/graduate-route-to-open-to-international-students-on-1-july-2021

This is what interested me the most at the time - "The new route will help the government to achieve the ambition set out in the International Education Strategy to increase the number of international students in higher education in the UK to 600,000 by 2030"

This quota was however quickly met and I correctly predicted the future will be equally chaotic as the honeymoon phase was coming to an end. Based on past events, restrictions will now come on immigrants like Pharoah did to Egyptians

2025 Whitepaper -

In 2023, the UK gov published a legal immigration statement in December 2023 -
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6581835023b70a0013234bcd/Legal+Migration+Statement+4th+December+2023+-+Estimated+Volume+Impacts.pdf

An interesting snippet of it reads -

Health and Care (Total): 143,990 main applicants and 173,896 dependants. | An estimated 1.21 dependants per main applicant.

This meant that "the share of Skilled Worker visas going to health and care roles jumped from 58% in 2022 to 75% in 2023" per information here -

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/social-care-sector-continues-to-drive-demand-for-overseas-workers-as-new-data-shows-public-sector-roles-dominate-work-visas/#:~:text=The%20Home%20Office%20granted%20350%2C000,2022%20to%2075%25%20in%202023.

I often use papers like this to make plans for the future as it is based on stats and there are subtle indications of what they plan to do. From the above, they had already started to drive the narrative that health and social care needs to be targeted for a reduction, one of the reasons I was openly against staying in the lower ebbs of a care home at the time and saying people should upskill and rise to managerial roles if they must stay in HC

Do I blame them? No.

As I have earlier said about on this thread, the purpose of opening up the routes was to attract skilled immigrants who will transition from MSc to high paying roles in their field and the gov can make some good money off taxes, settlement fees etc; a "symbiotic" relationship.

The problem however, is that people came in, did their MSc and then went ahead to transition to care roles which are not "skilled roles" and which the UK gov did not expect to happen. You will hardly ever find a white person with MSc in a care role. In actual fact, most of the white guys I have seen in those roles do not have a BSc and I mentioning this and being told that "there is dignity in labour" but I guess the UK gov thinks otherwise.
Nigerians in the UK will whine you, na you go use your head.

An excerpt from this link proves this but also leaves some ambiguity on the table - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immigration-white-paper-to-reduce-migration-and-strengthen-border

"Raising Skilled Worker threshold – SKILLED must mean SKILLED . Lifting the level for skilled workers back to RQF 6 (Graduate level) and above. Salary thresholds will rise."

2025 Whitepaper - Much ado about re-election | Opportunity in the midst of chaos

Within every problem or setback lies the seed of an equal or greater opportunity or benefit - Napoleon Hill

You can decide to look at the chaos from 2 angles, one that benefits you and one that stifles you.

On one hand, restricting the care home visas means employers would have to hire internally, lots of spots will also open up. This can be very beneficial if you have upskilled since taking up care / roles. Have you done your NVQ 3 or 5? Did you go to school for further studies? Did you take advantage of the opportunities in the NHS?

If not interested in HC, did you upskill in your field? Did you make Udemy / YT your best friends or were you making excuses? Roles will open up, did you prepare? Certifications? Were you on TikTok watching DJ Chicken or on Twitter arguing why a Driver's license in the UK is more important than getting your MSc?

"Hidden" somewhere in the whitepaper also is their plans to make global talent visa easier, which makes a lot of sense and is what should have been done since 2023. The requirements for "product led" blah blah makes 0 sense when there are lots of areas you can work that aren't product inclined. Looks like they will make it more accessible like the EB2 / EB1A routes in the US

As seen here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf - they wrote they would like to "Increase the number of people arriving on our very high talent routes, alongside faster routes for bringing people to the UK who have the right skills and experience to supercharge UK growth in strategic industries"

At the end of the day, it is up to you and your planning, what you did or didn't do with your time and the foresight you have to plan ahead while weathering the storms of UK immigration

Does the UK offer a good deal for all the noise?

Simple answer is Yes and No, although I lean more towards No.

My friend who left for Canada about 6 months before I came to the UK received his PR 2 weeks ago. He paid the equivalent of £887 while we paid nearly £14K if not more for 4 yrs SWV and about £13K school fees which means I have somehow forked out £27K in 3 yrs excluding taxes, house rent, council tax etc.

After all that, we will again pay for ILR at £3,029 per person - followed by £1,605 for naturalization as seen here - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/visa-regulations-revised-table/home-office-immigration-and-nationality-fees-9-april-2025 .

IHS was also increased from £624 to £1,035 per person per year in Jan 2024 and there are already discussions for increment in May 2025 | SWV Applications exceeding three years will also rise by 7% from £1,420 to £1,519 in 2025. Be honest, do the maths and tell me you haven't seen a pattern

If we look at the US also, it costs $1015 to apply for the EB2 NIW / EB1A which grants you a green card from the jump and you wonder why they attract all the talented researchers, AI and Cloud guys, have all the innovations while the UK has less than 5 companies out of the top 100 in the world - https://www.financecharts.com/screener/biggest

Fun fact, the UK does not have any popular / well known cloud computing / email provider which is used worldwide. E get why

In all, for the UK to reap the fruits of its "immigrant labor" over time, there has to be a shift from the cash grabbing, "owo mi da" mindset the UK has for legal immigrants / talents keeping in mind that they will one day turn citizens and could go on to do great things … but then, the UK is the UK, hence, 10 yr route which could as well change to 15 yrs if them Kemi Badenoch make it there.

Future plans | What to do?

As for me, I believe the 10 yr route / point based system will be blanketed for everyone (based on what I have seen). If you don't know what a PBS looks like, it looks like what is here - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score.html

There will also be an opportunity to make it 5 yrs if you meet some certain criteria which for me, points to a target on folks in the HC sector for the most part, which effectively ignores that they do a very demanding job with long hours and very little protection from abusive clients etc.

The reason for the 10 yr route is hinted here - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-annual-report-2024/migration-advisory-committee-mac-annual-report-2024-accessible (there is one where it was discussed extensively, cant seem to find it).
It says "The typical household for a Skilled Worker in the H&C route has a lower positive net contribution than for the typical household of workers outside this route due to the relatively lower incomes and higher number of dependants of those on the health and care route"

If you are skilled, you can wait for changes to the GTV or if you have a good profile, can write or research well, please look at the EB1A / EB2 NIW, there is a dedicated thread on NL, a subreddit, and a TG group for it. Oga GPT can also help you structure everything with the right prompts.
Australia , Canada also has open pathways for tech and HC routes which can be explored

As for me and my family, I am EB petition submission ready, as we await what the UK holds or does not hold . May Jah help us all

Happy Bank holiday to everyone

Goodenoch:


It's not falling through the cracks when between half and two thirds of bankruptcies are due to health issues. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans

Is the discussion here about healthcare systems for a nation or individual decisions based on healthcare?

As an individual, Europe (esp the UK) is a good place especially for lower earners with its many safetynets, the downside is that growth is quite restricted. If I was to survive on a minimum wage job (with no progression) in both countries, the UK is a no-brainer.
OTOH, a 75k (gbp or usd) earner here could manytimes earn the equivalent 150k for same job in the U.S. The person in the U.S would pay less tax but have less employment benefits. They could decide to still use savings to get good healthcare cover and still come out better at the end. Between UK and the US, the direction of flow among working professionals is quite clear. There'd be a reason for that.

For a nation, the European healthcare system is better. But then, have you ever wondered why despite all those, instituting a free healthcare system does not seem to be a vote winner for Americans? Even Obamacare faced loads of opposition. I used to also wonder why a country so rich wasn't pushing thru with unviversal free healthcare until I appreciated certain unsaid nuances. America is an outlier in many respects and their unbridled thirst for 'growth by all means' does have it's downside.

If the discussion is about healthcare systems, them some fee paying ones are arguably better than the NHS. Singapore for example set up their health system to minimise some of the issues they envisioned would arise with a universally free one. They made sure for the most part, people pay for it with appropriate safetynets. The UK spends about 11% of her GDP on health, they spend less than half but still have brilliant outcomes (even ing for lifestyle choices)

Goodenoch:


It's not falling through the cracks when between half and two thirds of bankruptcies are due to health issues. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans

Health outcomes are also the worst among developed countries. It has the the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rates for avoidable or treatable conditions, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2023/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2022

Even when you do get health insurance, the companies can and do arbitrarily deny claims and leave people with no recourse, often to literally drop dead. https://archive.is/NW5fP

These are facts, not scaremongering.

I do agree about earning potential though. Personally tidying things up to put my EB1 petition in for that reason but I'm still in doubt as to whether to actually go when it comes, and healthcare is a top consideration in that.

I also agree the NHS’s sustainability is in question, but I doubt that even when it's adjusted like adding payments for some things, it'll get to the disastrous level that US healthcare currently is at.

Overall, for me, living in the UK and paying the high taxes to fund things like healthcare, security, welfare etc. feels like paying into an insurance policy — I might not need it often and I'm unlikely to use the healthcare system in particular much (age) or get any benefits (income), but the peace of mind and collective safety net are very strong incentives.

Wow, UK, you do this one!

jedisco:


Is the discussion here about healthcare systems for a nation or individual decisions based on healthcare?

As an individual, Europe (esp the UK) is a good place especially for lower earners many with its safetynets, the downside is that growth is quite restricted.
A 75k (gbp or usd) earner here could manytimes earn the equivalent 150k in the U.S. The person in the U.S would pay less tax but have less employment benefits. They could decide to still use savings to get good healthcare cover and still come out better at the end. Between UK and the US, the direction of flow among working professionals is quite clear. There's a reason for that.

For a nation, the European healthcare system is better. But then, have you ever wondered why despite all those, instituting a free healthcare system does not seem to be a vote winner for Americans? Even Obamacare faced loads of opposition. I used to also wonder why a country so rich wasn't pushing thru with unviversal free healthcare until I appreciated certain unsaid nuances. America is an outlier in many respects and their unbridled thirst for 'growth by all means' does have it's downside.

If the discussion is about healthcare systems, them some fee-paying ones are arguably better than the NHS. Singapore for example set up their health system to minimise some of the issues they envisioned would arise with a universally free one. They made sure for the most part, people pay for it with appropriate safetynets. The UK spends about 11% of her GDP on health, they spend less than half but still have brilliant outcomes (even ing for lifestyle choices)

When I get my Tax summary and see how the government spends it every year, and see what goes in from my tax towards healthcare, and consider what I have also paid for IHS, when I add it up, I feel scammed, the so-called free UK healthcare being preached is over-hyped! and that's the conclusion most skilled professionals have realised. This is not to bash the UK, but stating the obvious from personal verified data.

Goke7:


Wow, UK, you do this one!

Na when person wake up be in morning

hustla:
2025 Whitepaper - Much ado about re-election | Opportunity in the midst of chaos

Within every problem or setback lies the seed of an equal or greater opportunity or benefit - Napoleon Hill

You can decide to look at the chaos from 2 angles, one that benefits you and one that stifles you.

On one hand, restricting the care home visas means employers would have to hire internally, lots of spots will also open up. This can be very beneficial if you have upskilled since taking up care / roles. Have you done your NVQ 3 or 5? Did you go to school for further studies? Did you take advantage of the opportunities in the NHS?

If not interested in HC, did you upskill in your field? Did you make Udemy / YT your best friends or were you making excuses? Roles will open up, did you prepare? Certifications? Were you on TikTok watching DJ Chicken or on Twitter arguing why a Driver's license in the UK is more important than getting your MSc?

"Hidden" somewhere in the whitepaper also is their plans to make global talent visa easier, which makes a lot of sense and is what should have been done since 2023. The requirements for "product led" blah blah makes 0 sense when there are lots of areas you can work that aren't product inclined. Looks like they will make it more accessible like the EB2 / EB1A routes in the US

As seen here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf - they wrote they would like to "Increase the number of people arriving on our very high talent routes, alongside faster routes for bringing people to the UK who have the right skills and experience to supercharge UK growth in strategic industries"

At the end of the day, it is up to you and your planning, what you did or didn't do with your time and the foresight you have to plan ahead while weathering the storms of UK immigration

You're thinking they will make the Global Talent route more accessible? Think again o, the whole brouhaha is actually not about the number of years to ilr or highly skilled whatever, the issue is the number of people they want to give ilr and that's where they will be waiting for everybody whether it's global talent or not. The whole idea is stopping as much people they can from settling in the UK permanently.

Good to hear from you again, bruv, especially as everywhere don cast

jedisco:


Is the discussion here about healthcare systems for a nation or individual decisions based on healthcare?

As an individual, Europe (esp the UK) is a good place especially for lower earners many with its safetynets, the downside is that growth is quite restricted. If I was to survive on a minimum wage job (with no progression) in both countries, the UK is a no-brainer.
OTOH, a 75k (gbp or usd) earner here could manytimes earn the equivalent 150k in the U.S. The person in the U.S would pay less tax but have less employment benefits. They could decide to still use savings to get good healthcare cover and still come out better at the end. Between UK and the US, the direction of flow among working professionals is quite clear. There'd be a reason for that.

For a nation, the European healthcare system is better. But then, have you ever wondered why despite all those, instituting a free healthcare system does not seem to be a vote winner for Americans? Even Obamacare faced loads of opposition. I used to also wonder why a country so rich wasn't pushing thru with unviversal free healthcare until I appreciated certain unsaid nuances. America is an outlier in many respects and their unbridled thirst for 'growth by all means' does have it's downside.

If the discussion is about healthcare systems, them some fee paying ones are arguably better than the NHS. Singapore for example set up their health system to minimise some of the issues they envisioned would arise with a universally free one. They made sure for the most part, people pay for it with appropriate safetynets. The UK spends about 11% of her GDP on health, they spend less than half but still have brilliant outcomes (even ing for lifestyle choices)

1. We're discussing individual choices but overall statistics give an inkling of the average experience, as opposed to focusing on outliers which is what people earning 75k in the UK or 150k in the US are (both circa top 15% earners in each country).

You're fully right though, ing savings to self-insure, and that's where individual analysis comes into play. There are certain salaries which would make me pack my bags and get on a flight this evening to NY, but again statistics reflect that such offers are very rare and that's where using public health stats to assess individual risk vecomes neccessary.

2. As to why most US people aren't calling for a public healthcare system, I don't know but it doesn't matter. Populaces around the world regularly vote for foolish things that come to bite them in the butt.

3. I'm not saying the UK NHS is the best healthcare system in the world. It's very good and substantially justifies the tax levels, is my sole point. Obviously there are a lot of areas that need to be optimized but the UK ranks very high on the vast majority of public health metrics.