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Emusan(m): 8:16pm On May 13
Truthseeker10:

Who commanded Jesus to die in John 10:18?

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

This is John 10:18 "No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”

Where did you see that ANYONE commanded Jesus to die?

Luke 23:46 is a testament of that John 10:28 "...I have the authority to LAY IT DOWN WHEN I WANT..."

Acts 2:32-33 is the same with above.
Truthseeker10: 8:28pm On May 13
Emusan:


This is John 10:18 "No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”

Where did you see that ANYONE commanded Jesus to die?

Luke 23:46 is a testament of that John 10:28 "...I have the authority to LAY IT DOWN WHEN I WANT..."

Acts 2:32-33 is the same with above.
What has Jesus father commanded in John 10:18?

What is the possible grammatical error in the kjv if "the" is added to John 1:1 according to you?

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Truthseeker10: 8:29pm On May 13
QuinQ:


Here are His EXACT words (let's limit it at words from Jesus Himself since His disciples can't know better than Him):
"NO ONE takes my life from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."

Let's study that and see if there is any indication in that statement that He lacked the capacity to resurrect Himself
Who commanded Jesus to die in John 10:18?

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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QuinQ: 8:36pm On May 13
Truthseeker10:

Who commanded Jesus to die in John 10:18?

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

Nobody COMMANDED Him. Being given authority to do something is different from being commanded to do it
Truthseeker10: 8:37pm On May 13
QuinQ:


Nobody COMMANDED Him. Being given authority to do something is different from being commanded to do it
John 10:18
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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Sand2022: 8:44pm On May 13
MaxInDHouse:


The WAS refers to the time he walked the earth just like Moses who served as God for a period of time.

This is serious. Are you the one who wrote this? This is concerning.
QuinQ: 8:45pm On May 13
Truthseeker10:
John 10:18
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

It's not commandment in that sense! The Father gave Him the AUTHORITY to lay down His life and to pick it up again!!!!
I told you these things are beyond you!
MaxInDHouse(m): 9:40pm On May 13
QuinQ:

You are saying what you don't know.
This is the reason why each person need to keep whatever he believes because from my perspective you don't know anything too so go in search of your type i'm 100% sure they will agree with you just as my type will agree with me! smiley
MaxInDHouse(m): 9:42pm On May 13
Sand2022:

This is serious. Are you the one who wrote this? This is concerning.
You should know by now that whatever you think is WRONG from my side so go and worship with your type! smiley
gohf: 9:56pm On May 13
Emusan:


@underlined - you're wrong it's not people who tried to make Jesus equal to God or a god but it was The Word of God that revealed that Jesus is God and equal to God.
expect Jesus stopped being called the word of God, tell us where he said he is God and is equal to God. Or stop deceiving yourself and lying against God's word
gohf: 9:57pm On May 13
Emusan:


You have it written plainly in John 1:1 "...and the Word was God"

wait you don't know what scripture is and who God is?

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Truthseeker10: 10:24pm On May 13
QuinQ:


It's not commandment in that sense! The Father gave Him the AUTHORITY to lay down His life and to pick it up again!!!!
I told you these things are beyond you!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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QuinQ: 10:41pm On May 13
MaxInDHouse:

This is the reason why each person need to keep whatever he believes because from my perspective you don't know anything too so go in search of your type i'm 100% sure they will agree with you just as my type will agree with me! smiley

You don't understand. It's not just you. Humans are incapable of knowing much. Do you know that if this whole world were our galaxy humans haven't gone beyond size of one room - yet there are two billion gaxies! That's why we're incapable of understanding the full nature of God

Truthseeker10:

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

You yourself explained it. "Who shall we send?" and He VOLUNTEERED! (Quite the opposite of being commanded). Then His Father gave him the AUTHORITY to lay down and pick up His life!
Truthseeker10: 10:41pm On May 13
QuinQ:


You don't understand. It's not just you. Humans are incapable of knowing much. Do you know that if this whole world were our galaxy humans haven't gone beyond size of one room - yet there are two billion gaxies! That's why we're incapable of understanding the full nature of God



You yourself explained it. "Who shall we send?" and He VOLUNTEERED! (Quite the opposite of being commanded). Then His Father gave him the AUTHORITY to lay down and pick up His life!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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QuinQ: 11:17pm On May 13
Truthseeker10:

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

Explain this below and show us where there was a commandment.
These are YOUR OWN WORDS:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.


For the umpteenth time, you can't isolate any few words in the Bible!!!
The person who was told this and finally wrote it down probably wrote what came to his head at that moment. If he had written it a few days later he probably would have used different words.
YOU DON'T CHERRYPICK THE BIBLE!!!!!

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Truthseeker10: 11:43pm On May 13
QuinQ:


You don't understand. It's not just you. Humans are incapable of knowing much. Do you know that if this whole world were our galaxy humans haven't gone beyond size of one room - yet there are two billion gaxies! That's why we're incapable of understanding the full nature of God



You yourself explained it. "Who shall we send?" and He VOLUNTEERED! (Quite the opposite of being commanded). Then His Father gave him the AUTHORITY to lay down and pick up His life!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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MaxInDHouse(m): 7:30am On May 14
QuinQ:

You don't understand. It's not just you. Humans are incapable of knowing much.
So you too are human therefore the same thing applies to you as well that's why we either find another means of verification or you hold onto your opinion while i also hold onto mine! smiley
Gabrielshow24: 9:40am On May 14
MaxInDHouse:


Lord and God both are titles not God's divine name in Hebrew! undecided
It's still a reference to God and Jews do not misuse it as an exclamation 🀨

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QuinQ: 9:45am On May 14
Truthseeker10:

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

Explain this below and show us where there was a commandment.
These are YOUR OWN WORDS:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.


For the umpteenth time, you can't isolate any few words in the Bible!!!
The person who was told this and finally wrote it down probably wrote what came to his head at that moment. If he had written it a few days later he probably would have used different words.
YOU DON'T CHERRYPICK THE BIBLE!!!!!
Truthseeker10: 9:49am On May 14
QuinQ:


Explain this below and show us where there was a commandment.
These are YOUR OWN WORDS:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.


For the umpteenth time, you can't isolate any few words in the Bible!!!
The person who was told this and finally wrote it down probably wrote what came to his head at that moment. If he had written it a few days later he probably would have used different words.
YOU DON'T CHERRYPICK THE BIBLE!!!!!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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QuinQ: 9:52am On May 14
MaxInDHouse:

So you too are human therefore the same thing applies to you as well that's why we either find another means of verification or you hold onto your opinion while i also hold onto mine! smiley

There is no "another means of verification". You just have to HUMBLY make peace with the fact you don't really fully know and that you lack the capacity for ever fully knowing!
QuinQ: 9:56am On May 14
Truthseeker10:

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain this below and show us where there was a commandment.
These are YOUR OWN WORDS:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.


For the umpteenth time, you can't isolate any few words in the Bible!!!
The person who was told this and finally wrote it down probably wrote what came to his head at that moment. If he had written it a few days later he probably would have used different words.
YOU DON'T CHERRYPICK THE BIBLE!!!!!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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Truthseeker10: 9:57am On May 14
QuinQ:


πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain this below and show us where there was a commandment.
These are YOUR OWN WORDS:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.


For the umpteenth time, you can't isolate any few words in the Bible!!!
The person who was told this and finally wrote it down probably wrote what came to his head at that moment. If he had written it a few days later he probably would have used different words.
YOU DON'T CHERRYPICK THE BIBLE!!!!!
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

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QuinQ: 10:06am On May 14
Truthseeker10:
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Explain the bolded below.
King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

Here is the RELEVANT part of the quote. Focus on that. Bye bye!

No one takes my life away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.

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Emusan(m): 10:13am On May 14
gohf:
wait you don't know what scripture is and who God is?

I quoted scripture or is the scripture wrong when it says "...and The Word was God?"
Emusan(m): 10:22am On May 14
gohf:
expect Jesus stopped being called the word of God

I guess you meant "EXCEPT" here!

What do you mean by this statement?

tell us where he said he is God and is equal to God.

Jesus never said in "He is God" but all the criteria that made God to be God was used for Jesus.

For example!

John 1:1 says "The Word was God"
John 1:3 says "Without The Word NOTHING was Created that have been CREATED" Which means Jesus isn't part of creation.
Phil 2:6 made it clear that "Jesus EXISTS IN THE NATURE OF GOD and He is EQUAL TO GOD"
LASTLY, Jesus Himself said in John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, JUST AS they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."

Or stop deceiving yourself and lying against God's word

You can highlight the lies in my post.

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Emusan(m): 10:26am On May 14
Truthseeker10:
What has Jesus father commanded in John 10:18?

He couldn't properly analyze the post that's nice.

[s]What is the possible grammatical error in the kjv if "the" is added to John 1:1 according to you?[/s]

No room for excuse.
MaxInDHouse(m): 10:46am On May 14
QuinQ:

There is no "another means of verification". You just have to HUMBLY make peace with the fact you don't really fully know and that you lack the capacity for ever fully knowing!

You lied!

Jesus knew that it will be difficult for us to agree on who knows better that's why he gave us a means of verification saying:

β€―β€œBe on the watch for the false prophets (fake teachers) who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.β€―By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?β€―Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. β€―A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men. Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus said there is a result real teaching of God's word will produce. smiley
QuinQ: 11:13am On May 14
MaxInDHouse:


You lied!

Jesus knew that it will be difficult for us to agree on who knows better that's why he gave us a means of verification saying:

β€―β€œBe on the watch for the false prophets (fake teachers) who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.β€―By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?β€―Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. β€―A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men. Matthew 7:15-20

Jesus said there is a result real teaching of God's word will produce. smiley

What the heck are you talking about?? We are talking knowing the full nature of God and you're talking fruits. Who the heck is talking about fruits?
You don't have the capacity to grasp the full nature of God! Simple. Thanks 4 your time

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MaxInDHouse(m): 12:06pm On May 14
QuinQ:

What the heck are you talking about?? We are talking knowing the full nature of God and you're talking fruits. Who the heck is talking about fruits?
You don't have the capacity to know the full nature of God! Simple. Thanks 4 your time

Ọmọ those that believe Jesus during his ministry didn't see God standing beside him o, it's the fruit of God's Holy Spirit they saw as promised in the prophecies before his time.
So if your religion is not bearing the fruit it simply means you people haven't come to know God! smiley
Truthseeker10: 12:32pm On May 14
Emusan:


He couldn't properly analyze the post that's nice.



No room for excuse.
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