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Truthseeker10:

Where did Jesus claim to be part of a trinity?

We came to the understanding of the trinity as the Bible says we have the Father, the Word(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit which agree in one.
The Word was made flesh to dwell among us as Jesus.

btoks:

This isnt a new debate and the church has already dealt with this for centuries. It is Faith plus works when the whole bible is read in context not by plucking verses here and there to justify the protestant doctrine of sola fide!.

By quoting Romans 10:8-17 you can't go against Jesus' words in John 3: 5 or Peter words, 'baptism now saves you" in 1 Peter 3:21. Please also see James 2 24 - “You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone”

So, the apotolic Churches believe the teaching about faith in Christ but also emphasise that faith must be expressed through actions and obedience such as baptism.

We are saying the same thing from different view point. For one to be baptized, and mind you, water baptism is just a symbol of what transpired in the spirit. The true baptism is in the spirit, a baptism with the holy Spirit and fire
Luke.3.16 - John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

for one to be baptized in water, he/ she has to believe in their heart. That is why you will hear words like they believe and they baptized. Then the confession is a open proclamation. Maybe the disciples then before baptism will ask, do you believe that Jesus is the son of The most high God and God raised him from the dead? This they will affirm and are baptized.

Truthseeker10:
What did Jesus say about the process of being born again?

Explicitly, It is to be born of the Water and Spirit.

I keep hearing "date/day one got born again" but it has always been @variance with me.

How do you relate it with one who was born and brought up in a Christian home who believes in Jesus, HIS death and resurrection without known date/day of being born again?

3nity7:
We are saying the same thing from different view point. For one to be baptized, and mind you, water baptism is just a symbol of what transpired in the spirit. The true baptism is in the spirit, a baptism with the holy Spirit and fire
Luke.3.16 - John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

for one to be baptized in water, he/ she has to believe in their heart. That is why you will hear words like they believe and they baptized. Then the confession is a open proclamation. Maybe the disciples then before baptism will ask, do you believe that Jesus is the son of The most high God and God raised him from the dead? This they will affirm and are baptized.

Thanks, however, we have different interpretations of what baptism is. The apostolic Churches teach that baptism is not just a symbol, as per John 3:5 and Peter 3:21, which show baptism is more than an outward act. Romans 6:3-4 also says we are united with Christ’s death and resurrection through baptism. This shows that the holy spirit is there at baptism

To show how important baptism is, from early Christianity even infants have been baptised with the parents/godparents professimg faith on the child’s behalf and takimg responsibility for raising them in the faith.
We see seeds of this in Colossians 2:11-12 which connects baptism to circumcision (infants were circumcised in the old convenabt), also whole households were baptised in Acts 16. So baptism is the new covenant way of entering God’s family.

Several Church Fathers also confirm that the apostles handed down this practice of baptising infants.
Therefore baptism, is a sacrament of grace not just a symbol.

The date isn't as important as the mission,act or assignment

Truthseeker10:
What did Jesus say was the process of being born again?

sorry you came late..check previous post

btoks:



Thanks, however, we have different interpretations of what baptism is. The apostolic Churches teach that baptism is not just a symbol, as per John 3:5 and Peter 3:21, which show baptism is more than an outward act. Romans 6:3-4 also says we are united with Christ’s death and resurrection through baptism. This shows that the holy spirit is there at baptism

To show how important baptism is, from early Christianity even infants have been baptised with the parents/godparents professimg faith on the child’s behalf and takimg responsibility for raising them in the faith.
We see seeds of this in Colossians 2:11-12 which connects baptism to circumcision (infants were circumcised in the old convenabt), also whole households were baptised in Acts 16. So baptism is the new covenant way of entering God’s family.

Several Church Fathers also confirm that the apostles handed down this practice of baptising infants.
Therefore baptism, is a sacrament of grace not just a symbol.

ok, so one can just get baptized without believing and confessing Jesus as Lord and be saved? Because that is where your argument seems to be pointing to and this i disagree. Because you will always hear the people believed and were baptized. And you even don't seem to believe in the Holy Ghost baptism which is the real thing but the water is just a symbol. Please Baptism itself does not save, I guess you are Catholic.

femi4:
sorry you came late..check previous post

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Bfly:


Explicitly, It is to be born of the Water and Spirit.

How can one do that?

Bfly:


We came to the understanding of the trinity as the Bible says we have the Father, the Word(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit which agree in one.
The Word was made flesh to dwell among us as Jesus.

when you say agree in one, what do you mean?

Truthseeker10:
when you say agree in one, what do you mean?

Mr. Socrate,
Agree in one means to consent.

Bfly:


Mr. Socrate,
Agree in one means to consent.

So The Trinity is about consent, But now about equality?

Truthseeker10:
How can one do that?

Be renewed by the Holy Spirit and be Baptized by Water.

Before I go Further, Do you believe in Jesus?

The Overly Canal Socratic method is a mere babbling in the things of God.

Bfly:


Be renewed by the Holy Spirit and be Baptized by Water.

Before I go Further, Do you believe in Jesus?

The Overly Canal Socratic method is a mere babbling in the things of God.

is there a biblical example of someone who followed the above process?

Truthseeker10:
So The Trinity is about consent, But now about equality?

Being one is not same as equality..

Or What do you mean by equality?

Bfly:


Being one is not same as equality..

Or What do you mean by equality?

is the father son and Holy spirit coequal?

Truthseeker10:
is there a biblical example of someone who followed the above process?

Read through Acts 8 and 10

Bfly:


Read through Acts 8 and 10

ok....so do you agree that people like Abraham and Moses were not born again since they did not go through the process of acts 8 and 10?

Truthseeker10:
is the father son and Holy spirit coequal?

Trinity is not equality.
equality does not necessarily have to agree in one

Or What do you mean by equality?

Truthseeker10:
ok....so do you agree that people like Abraham and Moses were not born again since they did not go through the process of acts 8 and 10?

To born again is a phrase that decribed a renewed life.
Which they both experienced even David

Also only the Spirit can reveal all this to people for Canal mind cannot comprehend the things of God.



Elijah flew to heaven
Enoch was no more
Body of Moses could not be found
David Body was buried
Jesus rose Lazarus from dead
Jesus died on the cross buried and rose again then ascended to heaven

How do you understand this?

ing when you got born again is not a visa to heaven

Of course! what does it matter the date you believed in the promise of Eternal life, all you know is that you've believed and you know exactly why you will never go to hell

Bfly:


To born again is a phrase that decribed a renewed life.
Which they both experienced even David

Also only the Spirit can reveal all this to people for Canal mind cannot comprehend the things of God.



Elijah flew to heaven
Enoch was no more
Body of Moses could not be found
David Body was buried
Jesus rose Lazarus from dead
Jesus died on the cross buried and rose again then ascended to heaven

How do you understand this?

Did David and Enoch followed the examples you stated in Acts 8 and 10 about how to be born again? Were the isrealites and faithful men of old required to be born again to be saved? If yes, quote a verse.

Bfly:


Trinity is not equality.
equality does not necessarily have to agree in one

Or What do you mean by equality?

Do you agree with the screenshot below?

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the screenshot below?

Yes

Truthseeker10:

Did David and Enoch followed the examples you stated in Acts 8 and 10 about how to be born again? Were the isrealites and faithful men of old required to be born again to be saved? If yes, quote a verse.

No

Bfly:


No

So how were they born again?

Bfly:


Yes

So is three persons in the Trinity coequal?

Truthseeker10:
So is three persons in the Trinity coequal?

Equality does not in anyway relate to Trinity. It is more of consensus.

It is better to say the 3 persons in Trinity consent.

For example, the head, legs, hands and so on make one man. The head is not equal with the legs, yet they come together to make one healthy man

Truthseeker10:
So how were they born again?

No one said David or Enoch was born again

Btw, the term Born again was introduced in the New Testament not directly as it implies to be born of woman again but to be of renewed man by the cleansing and sanctification of the Holy Spirit.

Bfly:


No one said David or Enoch was born again

Btw, the term Born again was introduced in the New Testament not directly as it implies to be born of woman again but to be of renewed man by the cleansing and sanctification of the Holy Spirit.

So if David and Enoch are not born again, would they be saved?