NewStats: 3,263,445 , 8,180,157 topics. Date: Thursday, 05 June 2025 at 11:13 PM 3p5j2z

Goodenoch:

While I am unconcerned about your heritage and the discussion around it here, your usage of the word 'loophole' reminded me of your post above:

It's interesting that you believe that a route to enter the UK and immediatley become citizens that your forebears took wasn't a loophole because it was fully legal at the time, but when others took another route that was also fully legal (as confirmed by the Upper Immigration Tribunal), you described it as a loophole that has been exposed, implying it was somehow shady.

It's also interesting that Starmer KC described it as a loophole in Parliament and went on to say that he had taken measures to ensure it couldn't be used going forward. You should write to him.

Goodenoch:

There's also this one where you referred to a fully legal route; the characteristics of which were stated clearly by the UK and even used to for foreign students to come study here, as a backdoor used 'by some nationalities.' Again the term 'backdoor' strongly implies deception.


Those routes may have or will be changed in the future, but they were fully legal at the time, just like your forebears came and became citizens but that route was closed later.

So my question is how come the route your forebears took was defintitely not a loophole because it was within the law at the time but when others used legal routes too, you believe they were using loopholes and backdoors?

Backdoor route was a term frequently used in parliament. Even Labour has itted that the postgraduate student visa route was/is being abused in some ways.

The route itself may have been legal (and had been in place for almost a hundred years) but the issue is that it started being used illegally or misused by many.

Backdoor examples include
1. "Students" getting a student visa to enter the UK and immediately or quickly switching to a work visa and abandoning their studies, fees unpaid (until this loophole was closed)
2. Applicants using fake proof of funds and making false representations during visa/ university interviews that they fully intended to return home after their studies.
3. Arrangee marriages where people paid the MA to come in as a student dependant, often times using fake marriage certificates.
4. Student visa holders going on to claim asylum

Would you not agree that all the above practices involve a degree of deception and can be said to be creating loopholes or backdoor routes to circumvent the law with the intent to enter/remain in the country. This is very different to moving to the UK at a time when there were no restrictions and the law expressly allowed it, in pretty much the same way EU hip rules allowed freedom of movement.

Before you say anything - on #4, Labour has recently disclosed that a high proportion of people who have sought asylum in the last year initially came in on student visas.
They also want to tighten up the graduate visa route by precluding graduate visa holders from seeking low paid jobs (in their words) such as health care as a means to remain in the country after their studies.

"Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, has argued that the figures show the system is being abused by people saying they can themselves financially when they apply to come to the UK, before claiming asylum at the end of their visa"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/03/labour-targets-international-students-claiming-asylum-after-losses-to-reform-in-local-elections

https://wonkhe.com/blogs/international-students-and-asylum-claims/

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/get-a-graduate-level-job-or-go-home-foreign-students-to-be-told-3h6hlsm55

Opay, Palmpay and Kuda.

justwise:
Any Nigerian bank one can open from here without having to travel home? The traditional ones are requesting for a lot of documentation… don’t want to repeat the process I went through with GTBank.

Wants to remove my money from GTBANK completely.

justwise:


The last video VDM did before going to the bank with his mother was about Seyi and allegation of abduction and torture by student union president.

Seyi is worse than his father.

Resurgent2016:


GTB is a very useless bank normally. If it took verydarkman for some people to realise it that is good.

I had a double debit that took two years to resolve in spite of having information when it happened and a signed confirmation from the seller providing an extract of the bank statement showing they only received the funds one.

They only took the request serious after getting a lawyer and involving the D dept of CBN.

A very very very useless bank

I agree with you. I just use the bank for the sake of it. Most of the time to send money to people. I don't even have a bank card to my name.

Zahra29:


Agreed.

Unfortunately this has been going on for decades, even with high profile victims like Mo Farah ( the Olympic marathon runner). He was brought to England from Somalia as a child and made to work as a domestic servant by the family that brought him in. His story is very moving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62123886.amp

Part of the reason why the Home Office does not allow "niece" and "nephew" dependants- too many people looking to exploit children/vulnerable people.

Please can you clarify on what you mean here.

I reading that niece and nephew adoptions were exempted after Nigerian adoptions stopped being accepted by UK, as such a niece or nephew adoption is supposed to be allowed as a child dependent.

Hahaha. ...no mind am. Her first election she lost woefully, instead of doing a retrospect to identify the issue and work towards rectifying it (what she was voted in to do) she de try gaslight her party people. They just sweep her away dem don begin cook for am https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-conservative-leader-tories-b2745085.html

jedisco:
Prophetess.. is she seeing the future?

Biko I need to buy a car for work, but my credit score ain't looking good. Where I go see car loan for poor credit?

This looks like leaving a leaking basket to another basket . I would suggest looking at FCMB UK for their non-resident Nigerian bank s @justwise

Lexusgs430:


Assuming your NIN & BVN, don't require any form of updating.......

Alat, by Wema would serve you nicely....... 😁😂👌

Branch is also very good, but they have regional lockdown on app availability and hate for apk installation........ 😁

Same came to mind when I saw Streeting address the press after the elections

Zahra29:
A very poor night for Labour, losing an extremely safe seat less than 1 year after the GE. In contrast, the former Labour govt enjoyed 6 years before their first byelection defeat. Likewise David Cameron had a decent honeymoon period before the Tory party started to decline.

It highlights how unpopular Labour currently is and if Starmer doesn't set about delivering further, faster and positive change, or at least get better at communicating the improvements they are making, then they will be the first government in recent times to do only 1 term. People want a dynamic leader and have little patience now for a steady, but slow/ overly cautious, civil servant type.

If the current trajectory continues, Labour is likely to have a different leader taking them into the next GE. My prediction is:

2029 GE:
Labour leader - Wes Streeting
Tory leader - Robert Jenrick
Reform leader - Nigel Farage
🤐

bigtt76:
This looks like leaving a leaking basket to another basket . I would suggest looking at FCMB UK for their non-resident Nigerian bank s @justwise

Why are branch and wema, leaking baskets...... 🤔😱☹️


What's does FCMB UK, offer on savings ...... 😊😁

AgentXxx:
Opay, Palmpay and Kuda.

Be careful with Opay though, I had a serious issue with them last year. My was frozen for receiving an inflow of 12M... They kept requesting for documentation to that amount before they eventually unfroze my . I had to even send pay slip at a point. If the experience with others like moniepoint, palmpay and kuda are better, let's know. Especially running them from outside Nigeria. Thanks.

Zahra29:


It's also interesting that Starmer KC described it as a loophole in Parliament and went on to say that he had taken measures to ensure it couldn't be used going forward. You should write to him.

Doesn't matter what Starmer described it as. I don't care. You weren't quoting him - you were speaking for yourself in the posts I quoted, and it clearly contradicts what you're saying in your own case. Unless you are saying that we can assume that everything you say is you parrotting Starmer or some other person's statements?

Everything else you said is you just trying to distract from the very simple question I asked.

All the talk about people falsifying funds or whatnot is irrelevant because those are clearly illegal acts and are out of scope of my post which clearly emphasised people who came in legally.

As to people switching from one visa to another etc, the point is still that they came in legally and switched legally. Now that the route is closed, people can't do it anymore, but at the time, it was fully legal.

Not interested in any back and forth around this though. My point is clear and I'm sure it's clear to you and everyone else, however much you might try to muddy the waters.

Goodenoch:


Doesn't matter what Starmer described it as. I don't care.

You might not care (and tbh, I doubt you were even aware of Starmer's comments on this issue) but the facts are that the Labour PM and former human rights barrister openly described the granting of leave to the Palestinian family as a "legal loophole" and this influenced mine and most of the country's views on the matter. And fyi, the family's settlement was granted by the UT judge under Article 8 Right to family life, and not because the Ukraine settlement scheme application/ route the family used was the right one as you claimed.

If Starmer is wrong, then take it up with his office instead of trying to attack me for essentially repeating what the PM said. Ridiculous.

PM pledges to close loophole that let Gazans settle in UK
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/dx0yn6v7lo.amp

Goodenoch:

Not interested in any back and forth around this though. My point is clear and I'm sure it's clear to you and everyone else, however much you might try to muddy the waters.

Clear as mud perhaps...

Reasonable and unprejudiced folk can understand that a legal route can become abused and create backdoor routes/loopholes.

The post-grad student visa route has been in existence for over 50 years I believe. It was not an issue until the illegal practices or abuses became rampant. In contrast, the undergrad/Bachelor degree student visa route does not face anywhere near the same level of criticism and clampdown. Same applies to other family and work visa routes. Why do you think this is - because the same abuses are not prevalent.

I'm sorry if you are unable to understand/accept these simple facts but I'm afraid I can't help you as I am not the cause of you and Jedisco's frustrations.

SPDAZZY:


Please can you clarify on what you mean here.

I reading that niece and nephew adoptions were exempted after Nigerian adoptions stopped being accepted by UK, as such a niece or nephew adoption is supposed to be allowed as a child dependent.

Hey, dependents generally mean immediate family including biological or adopted children. Nieces and nephews can be allowed in some cases such as being able to prove legal guardianship due to exceptional circumstances (e.g., parental absence or inability to care for them).

bigtt76:
Same came to mind when I saw Streeting address the press after the elections

Lol, time will tell. He does appear to have more "vim" than Starmer though so I suspect that will win him points with the public.

Zahra29:


Hey, dependents generally mean immediate family including biological or adopted children. Nieces and nephews can be allowed in some cases such as being able to prove legal guardianship due to exceptional circumstances (e.g., parental absence or inability to care for them).

Noted, thanks.

Try Zuto. I just got mine from them with poor credit score.
They have specialty in helping those with not so good credit score

Regex:
Biko I need to buy a car for work, but my credit score ain't looking good. Where I go see car loan for poor credit?

Regex:
Biko I need to buy a car for work, but my credit score ain't looking good. Where I go see car loan for poor credit?

If your credit score is poor/average, avoid car loan companies, for people with poor credit (their rates are extortionate).....

A typical example, they would be usually nice enough to offer you £0 deposit, but a £5K car finance deal, wouid eventually cost you a total repayment of £9K...... At the end of final payment, the vehicle is only worth £1K5....😁

Put together £2K5, and buy a decent banger..... 😁😂

Haha ...when you do a search on "Fraud rate in Nigeria + Bank Name" the result tells a lot about the bank. FCMB gentle for the market not really good rates but no too much drama. They have an online banking app though called Rova.

Lexusgs430:



Why are branch and wema, leaking baskets...... 🤔😱☹️


What's does FCMB UK, offer on savings ...... 😊😁

bigtt76:
Haha ...when you do a search on "Fraud rate in Nigeria + Bank Name" the result tells a lot about the bank. FCMB gentle for the market not really good rates but no too much drama. They have an online banking app though called Rova.

I have s with both, and never experienced anything negative about their operations...... 😁😂

While the government plans further cuts to net migration. The social care sector is already feeling the heat.

Meanwhile due to previous history of visa abuse, some foreign Nationals are about to get banned from getting a visa to come to the Uk .

Free trade deal with India.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/uk-and-india-agree-trade-deal-after-three-years-of-negotiations

Quiet competence. To quote the young'uns, "no be by cho cho cho".

Hopefully madam Olukemi Olufunto Badenough, defender of western civilization, will see what her mates are doing in the same portfolio where all she managed was culture warring and punchlines.

Goodenoch:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/uk-and-india-agree-trade-deal-after-three-years-of-negotiations

Quiet competence. To quote the young'uns, "no be by cho cho cho".

Hopefully madam Olukemi Olufunto Badenough, defender of western civilization, will see what her mates are doing in the same portfolio where all she managed was culture warring and punchlines.

let me give you another one 'if it didn't dey it didn't dey'

lavida001:
Free trade deal with India.

That's the kind of news we want to hear in this modern times, not gaslighting and bigotry that sets everyone back

I have been using Opay for almost 2years now and no issues. I also use the rest but Opay is my main after I stop using GTb and the high street banks.

I think the problem you had was the last amount that went in as a whole, All banks would require verification for source of fund when an unusual huge amounts comes in. What you could have done is inform customer care before receiving the fund.

ehizario2012:


Be careful with Opay though, I had a serious issue with them last year. My was frozen for receiving an inflow of 12M... They kept requesting for documentation to that amount before they eventually unfroze my . I had to even send pay slip at a point. If the experience with others like moniepoint, palmpay and kuda are better, let's know. Especially running them from outside Nigeria. Thanks.

Goke7:


That's the kind of news we want to hear in this modern times, not gaslighting and bigotry that sets everyone back

There is clause of Indian workers not paying NI in the uk for 3 years. “The they taking all our jobs” yt might just start another summer riot.

lavida001:

There is clause of Indian workers not paying NI in the uk for 3 years. “The they taking all our jobs” yt might just start another summer riot.

Interesting. The agreement also stipulates the same for British citizens working in India. What I'd like to find out is if the Indians coming this way under this deal will have access to the NHS on the same as all those who pay the full range of tax, whether permanent residents or on visas. This is not a good deal overall for the UK - reflecting the general lack of strength on their side. It'll make Indian workers proportionally cheaper to hire. I can see Reform already gearing up.

lavida001:

There is clause of Indian workers not paying NI in the uk for 3 years. “The they taking all our jobs” yt might just start another summer riot.

Only applies to temporary Indian transfers as they would be paying social security contributions in their own country - and vice versa with British transfers to India.

Similar arrangements already exist for transfers from the EU, US , Singapore and others

Goodenoch:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/uk-and-india-agree-trade-deal-after-three-years-of-negotiations

Quiet competence. To quote the young'uns, "no be by cho cho cho".

Hopefully madam Olukemi Olufunto Badenough, defender of western civilization, will see what her mates are doing in the same portfolio where all she managed was culture warring and punchlines.

Lol. For what its worth, these negotiations were started under Johnson and carried on by Sunak and now Starmer, so at some point Badenoch was involved therein and may rightfully claim some of the credit (if it is generally accepted by her side that its a good deal for the UK, of course).

Cyberknight:


Interesting. The agreement also stipulates the same for British citizens working in India. What I'd like to find out is if the Indians coming this way under this deal will have access to the NHS on the same as all those who pay the full range of tax, whether permanent residents or on visas. This is not a good deal overall for the UK - reflecting the general lack of strength on their side. [b]It'll make Indian workers proportionally cheaper to hire [/b]I can see Reform already gearing up.

The deal took 3 years partly because India wanted free movement/greater number of visas for its students and workers which the UK under Boris Johnson, and subsequently, refused.

This deal apparently doesn't change the immigration requirements for Indian nationals, although I expect that those who qualify for visas may receive some preferential treatment, e.g quicker processing. They'll also be excluded from any future visa clampdowns such as the one recently announced for Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Nigeria.

I'm not sure if they will pay IHS though, I think the company is usually responsible for paying the surcharge for its employees for the transfer period.

Cyberknight:


Lol. For what its worth, these negotiations were started under Johnson and carried on by Sunak and now Starmer, so at some point Badenoch was involved therein and may rightfully claim some of the credit (if it is generally accepted by her side that its a good deal for the UK, of course).

Kemi was International Trade Secretary during a large part of the deal negotiation. She and others like Braverman pushed back heavily on the visa demands that India made as part of the FTA which caused the deal to stall.

In the end India blinked on their demands, but you're right, Tories will probably claim that we blinked as well lol

https://www.politico.eu/article/india-visa-new-rules-pave-way-uk-trade-deal/