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nitrogen:


Naso now. After buying, they will start saying our scouts and board don’t buy well. We should have gone for a player like Yamal.

Do our scouts and board buy well?

Let's leave the confusion in your mind when the same board that according to you keeps hiring the wrong coaches is somehow managing to buy the right players.

We said no to Toni Kroos when Moyes wanted him and got Fellaini instead.

When Gabriel Barbosa and Gabriel Jesus were available, we tried to get Barbosa while Jesus went to City. Barbosa finally came to Europe and failed quickly before heading back to Brazil.

When Antony and Raphinha were available we paid 82m for Antony while Raphinha went to Barca for 50m.

We bought AWB (a RIGHTBACK o) who was obviously never going to be a top-level footballer for 50m. We bought Maguire a molue-slow CB from a lower level EPL team for 80m. This was YEARS ago, and even now top-level strikers are still going for 60-70m. But we bought 2 mediocre defenders for 130m.

If we have been appointing the wrong coaches for years, then we have also been buying the wrong players for years. People here keep talking about how the players can't be bad since they were doing well at their previous clubs before coming here. Well, that excuse can also be made for the managers. They also were doing well in their previous clubs before coming here.

My point was that fans should not get too giddy over any new g based off reputation until they show us their quality in our club, but you and your coven of contrarian spirits must always find something to complain about.

afrodoc:


Do our scouts and board buy well?

Let's leave the confusion in your mind when the same board that according to you keeps hiring the wrong coaches is somehow managing to buy the right players.

We said no to Toni Kroos when Moyes wanted him and got Fellaini instead.

When Gabriel Barbosa and Gabriel Jesus were available, we tried to get Barbosa while Jesus went to City. Barbosa finally came to Europe and failed quickly before heading back to Brazil.

When Antony and Raphinha were available we paid 82m for Antony while Raphinha went to Barca for 50m.

We bought AWB (a RIGHTBACK o) who was obviously never going to be a top-level footballer for 50m. We bought Maguire a molue-slow CB from a lower level EPL team for 80m. This was YEARS ago, and even now top-level strikers are still going for 60-70m. But we bought 2 mediocre defenders for 130m.

If we have been appointing the wrong coaches for years, then we have also been buying the wrong players for years. People here keep talking about how the players can't be bad since they were doing well at their previous clubs before coming here. Well, that excuse can also be made for the managers. They also were doing well in their previous clubs before coming here.

My point was that fans should not get too giddy over any new g based off reputation until they show us their quality in our club, but you and your coven of contrarian spirits must always find something to complain about.

.....bull-eye straight up!

afrodoc:


Do our scouts and board buy well?

Let's leave the confusion in your mind when the same board that according to you keeps hiring the wrong coaches is somehow managing to buy the right players.

We said no to Toni Kroos when Moyes wanted him and got Fellaini instead.

When Gabriel Barbosa and Gabriel Jesus were available, we tried to get Barbosa while Jesus went to City. Barbosa finally came to Europe and failed quickly before heading back to Brazil.

When Antony and Raphinha were available we paid 82m for Antony while Raphinha went to Barca for 50m.

We bought AWB (a RIGHTBACK o) who was obviously never going to be a top-level footballer for 50m. We bought Maguire a molue-slow CB from a lower level EPL team for 80m. This was YEARS ago, and even now top-level strikers are still going for 60-70m. But we bought 2 mediocre defenders for 130m.

If we have been appointing the wrong coaches for years, then we have also been buying the wrong players for years. People here keep talking about how the players can't be bad since they were doing well at their previous clubs before coming here. Well, that excuse can also be made for the managers. They also were doing well in their previous clubs before coming here.

My point was that fans should not get too giddy over any new g based off reputation until they show us their quality in our club, but you and your coven of contrarian spirits must always find something to complain about.

Question is did they on average buy good/better players over the years or not? Whether the prices make sense or not would depend on perspectives, not forgetting the level of desperation from top to bottom to return to glory days. We can argue price vs valuation from today till tomorrow, but the main point is at the time of purchasing the players irrespective of prices, they bought good players.

I agree that the excuse can be made for managers signed. Yes, they made some mistakes, but they also went for better to the best managers available. It just did not work in some instances and firing underperforming managers (which by the way does not mean they are bad managers, it just did not work) is normal as it’s easier to do than to fire majority of new players. Other clubs do it, so why should we be sticking with underperforming managers for more than 1-3 years (depending on the circumstances)? With salaries and termination costs, each manager barely scratch 50m. While buying one player could cost us close to that on average.

nitrogen:


Question is did they on average buy good/better players over the years or not? Whether the prices make sense or not would depend on perspectives, not forgetting the level of desperation from top to bottom to return to glory days. We can argue price vs valuation from today till tomorrow, but the main point is at the time of purchasing the players irrespective of prices, they bought good players.

I agree that the excuse can be made for managers signed. Yes, they made some mistakes, but they also went for better to the best managers available. It just did not work in some instances and firing underperforming managers (which by the way does not mean they are bad managers, it just did not work) is normal as it’s easier to do than to fire majority of new players. Other clubs do it, so why should we be sticking with underperforming managers for more than 1-3 years (depending on the circumstances)? With salaries and termination costs, each manager barely scratch 50m. While buying one player could cost us close to that on average.

My post about Yamal that you referred to was not in any way asking them to keep a manager for 1-3 years. I was only saying i will not be impressed by any footballer coming into this club again based on what the player has done elsewhere, because we have seen many people come here and fail.

The same applies to managers too. And directors etc. All that hype new players, manager, owners get here should stop. Until we see what they can do FOR THE CLUB and IN THE CLUB, i am not moved.

But in your desperation and rush to act contrarian and run everything as agenda, you will add the debate of 10 years ago and that of 10 minutes ago together and confuse yourself.

And to your question about whether they bought good or better players. The answer is no. They did not. When the whole league was moving towards players that combined high level physicality and high-level technicality we kept on buying players that were too weak or too slow or struggled to control the ball. Just look at the way the Newcastle that physically bullied us a few days ago was physically bullied by Aton Villa.

And you should not look at things in isolation. By wasting huge money on useless or inadequate players it has now tied our hands in the transfer market as we can't spend as much as we would like to. A 20million player might be a good player but if you buy him for 80m you are failing at your duty. If you repeat it from 4-5 players, you are putting your club's future at risk.

It is crucial that we not only buy good players but at a good price, so that if they fail, they do not handicap the club's future.

Stop combining arguments of 10 years together like someone cooking edikaikong. I was talking not hyping people before they come into the club. I don't know where you and your coven turned it into not sacking underperforming manager. I have no affiliation to Amorin. Even when we signed him i was asking people here to tell us more about his style before i now went to watch videos on him.

afrodoc:


My post about Yamal that you referred to was not in any way asking them to keep a manager for 1-3 years. I was only saying i will not be impressed by any footballer coming into this club again based on what the player has done elsewhere, because we have seen many people come here and fail.

The same applies to managers too. And directors etc. All that hype new players, manager, owners get here should stop. Until we see what they can do FOR THE CLUB and IN THE CLUB, i am not moved.

But in your desperation and rush to act contrarian and run everything as agenda, you will add the debate of 10 years ago and that of 10 minutes ago together and confuse yourself.

And to your question about whether they bought good or better players. The answer is no. They did not. When the whole league was moving towards players that combined high level physicality and high-level technicality we kept on buying players that were too weak or too slow or struggled to control the ball. Just look at the way the Newcastle that physically bullied us a few days ago was physically bullied by Aton Villa.

And you should not look at things in isolation. By wasting huge money on useless or inadequate players it has now tied our hands in the transfer market as we can't spend as much as we would like to. A 20million player might be a good player but if you buy him for 80m you are failing at your duty. If you repeat it from 4-5 players, you are putting your club's future at risk.

It is crucial that we not only buy good players but at a good price, so that if they fail, they do not handicap the club's future.

Stop combining arguments of 10 years together like someone cooking edikaikong. I was talking not hyping people before they come into the club. I don't know where you and your coven turned it into not sacking underperforming manager. I have no affiliation to Amorin. Even when we signed him i was asking people here to tell us more about his style before i now went to watch videos on him.

Oh my! I mentioned Yamal out of the blues given he is arguably the best young player today. Now I know what’s going on.

Regarding the players bought over the years, I believe it has been the right mix of technicality and physicality. You can’t have the best of both worlds. We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical attackers, midfielders and defenders over the last 10 years, no?

If we had not spent the huge funds for player acquisitions, fans would still have complained that we did not spend like Chelsea and City who were our competition. Where do you want to see top or even average player to buy for 10-30m? Including 10 years ago. Also, the funds would have gone to other things.

I made ref to managers because you said the excuse that these players were doing well previously also applies to manager gs. Yes it is true, and I am telling you that they got good managers (same way they got good players), it just did not work in some instances and the reasonable thing that should and would always happen is to sack the manager vs a group of relatively new players given the economic and financial consequences.

What did I just read?

We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical players? In the striking department alone, we’ve had

Martial (technically good, physically not that good)
Ighalo (Technically average, physically average),
Cavani - very good technically, physically he’s okay but injuries are a worry.
Rashford (confusing both technically and physically)
Hojlund (God epp us abeg)

Is this the mix? Unless it’s DJ mix, that shiit ain’t true

Leyqute:
What did I just read?

We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical players? In the striking department alone, we’ve had

Martial (technically good, physically not that good)
Ighalo (Technically average, physically average),
Cavani - very good technically, physically he’s okay but injuries are a worry.
Rashford (confusing both technically and physically)
Hojlund (God epp us abeg)

Is this the mix? Unless it’s DJ mix, that shiit ain’t true

Lukaku and ibra?

nitrogen:


Naso now. After buying, they will start saying our scouts and board don’t buy well. We should have gone for a player like Yamal.

United fans that are confused. The ball playing goalkeeper they wanted they have turned on 😂. Werey people that they were shouting "We need a destroyer in midfield, We need a pure destroyer in midfield" Same clowns turned against Casemiro and they are already turning against Ugarte. The same people crying for a goalscorer will turn against the striker with useless excuse like " He is holding our other attackers back, he does not press or drop deep, players are always ing to him, he is taking too much shots" lmao. This fanbase is confused 😂😂

nitrogen:


Oh my! I mentioned Yamal out of the blues given he is arguably the best young player today. Now I know what’s going on.

Regarding the players bought over the years, I believe it has been the right mix of technicality and physicality. You can’t have the best of both worlds. We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical attackers, midfielders and defenders over the last 10 years, no?

If we had not spent the huge funds for player acquisitions, fans would still have complained that we did not spend like Chelsea and City who were our competition. Where do you want to see top or even average player to buy for 10-30m? Including 10 years ago. Also, the funds would have gone to other things.

I made ref to managers because you said the excuse that these players were doing well previously also applies to manager gs. Yes it is true, and I am telling you that they got good managers (same way they got good players), it just did not work in some instances and the reasonable thing that should and would always happen is to sack the manager vs a group of relatively new players given the economic and financial consequences.

1) I mentioned Yamal and then a few minutes you mentioned Yamal out of the blues. Hehehe. Ok o.

2) We have not bought the right mix of technical and physical players. What clubs are doing now is that they are buying players who individually have good levels of physicality and technicality (in one person). Players like Tonali, Rice, Rodri, Isak etc. Players that individually tick the box in of both physical and technical aspects of the game. Every player is able to cope for himself, and no player is profoundly found wanting in a particular aspect.

What we are doing , on the other hand, is we buy one player with high technicality and close to zero physicality (Eriksen), buy another player with high physicality and close to zero technicality (AWB), another player with technicality and but short and slow (Martinez), buy another player with physicality and low technicality (Ugarte), buy another player with positioning and strength but no speed (Casemiro), buy another player with height and strength but no speed (Maguire), and so on and so forth. That is we are always looking for one player to come to unlock another player. Pogba is lazy so he needs a hard worker beside him. Casemiro can't run so he needs a mobile runner beside him. Ugarte can't so he needs someone who can beside him.

You look at this motley mob of misfits and you think we have the right mix?

3) I did not say we should spend the funds but that we should do it on the right quality players. Or what is so difficult to understand about this. Or do you because you have 4 billion naira just go and spend on a 3-bedroom bungalow so that people won't say you didn't spend money?

50m on AWB that no other club was going to do. 80m on Maguire. 80m on freedom fighter, 80m on Antony, 70m on Hojlund. How can you with a clear conscience defend this level of transfer mishits back-to-back-to-back.
If we keep overpaying for players that are not even good enough in the first place, a time will come that either FFP or profit and loss will catch up to us and we will not even be able to improve the squad properly even with the right scouts in place.

Wait o. Are you arguing that there is no consequence to overpaying for mediocre players or what? Even there is consequence and negative to overpaying for great players not to talk of the likes of AWB and Antony.

In what world was AWB a 50m pound player? In what world is Antony an 80m pound player? Money is being steadily wasted thereby handicapping us in future windows and you are saying it does not matter.

Leyqute:
What did I just read?

We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical players? In the striking department alone, we’ve had

Martial (technically good, physically not that good)
Ighalo (Technically average, physically average),
Cavani - very good technically, physically he’s okay but injuries are a worry.
Rashford (confusing both technically and physically)
Hojlund (God epp us abeg)

Is this the mix? Unless it’s DJ mix, that shiit ain’t true

Werghost?

So this club is really going for Delap instead of Osimhen....Like someone said, that Delap is screaming Hoijlund 2.0

adisaaowala:


Lukaku and ibra?

Lukaku is a decent striker. But he is above average in of technicality and physicality.
Ibrahimovic is elite. But like Cavani, age was not on his side when he came.

Good mix of physicality and technique una. Maybe before they came to United. Only a few have impressed in the United shirt. Na why rumors of all these shiny toys no dey do me again.

DJ YK mule

Ellexy:
Werghost?

He ticks all the boxes 😀

Leyqute:


Lukaku is a decent striker. But he is above average in of technicality and physicality.
Ibrahimovic is elite. But like Cavani, age was not on his side when he came.

Good mix of physicality and technique una. Maybe before they came to United. Only a few have impressed in the United shirt. Na why rumors of all these shiny toys no dey do me again.

DJ YK mule

He clearly meant a good mixture of players that are technical and those that are physical. We have bought physical strikers and strikers that are technical. We have bought different varieties of wingers as well. Same in midfield and Defense.

Ellexy:
So this club is really going for Delap instead of Osimhen....Like someone said, that Delap is screaming Hoijlund 2.0

Thought I was the only one thinking it's a very ridiculous decision..

CrystalTiger:


Thought I was the only one thinking it's a very ridiculous decision..

Osimhen comes with a lot of baggage plus a salary of at least 300k. Delap is a steal for just 30Million pounds.

Bombblacks:

He clearly meant a good mixture of players that are technical and those that are physical. We have bought physical strikers and strikers that are technical. We have bought different varieties of wingers as well. Same in midfield and Defense.

LooL.

So you’re part of those people that believe a midfield combo of Eriksen (90% technique , 10% physicality ) and Fred (20% technique, 80% physicality) is the best way to go?

Leyqute:


LooL.

So you’re part of those people that believe a midfield combo of Eriksen (90% technique , 10% physicality ) and Fred (20% technique, 80% physicality) is the best way to go?

There's no premier league footballer with 10% physicality. You need to stop missing the point on purpose just to create a false narrative.

Bombblacks:

There's no premier league footballer with 10% physicality. You need to stop missing the point on purpose just to create a false narrative.

Eriksen’s physical floor is well below 10% wrt other EPL players. If he gets involved in a physical duel with 90% of EPL players, how many of them will he win?

You don’t need to jump around the issue. An Eriksen-Fred combo will never protect their back 4 nor be a reliable platform to launch attacks.

Stop looking at things from your rose-tinted agenda perspective and deal with reality.

Leyqute:


Eriksen’s physical floor is well below 10% wrt other EPL players. If he gets involved in a physical duel with 90% of EPL players, how many of them will he win?

You don’t need to jump around the issue. An Eriksen-Fred combo will never protect their back 4 nor be a reliable platform to launch attacks.

Stop looking at things from your rose-tinted agenda perspective and deal with reality.

There's no Epl player with 10% physicality.

You have created a scenario of Fred and Eriksen in midfield which never happened. Like I said stop creating false narrative.

Have we bought different profiles of midfielder over the years. Yes or No?

Bombblacks:

There's no Epl player with 10% physicality.

You have created a scenario of Fred and Eriksen in midfield which never happened. Like I said stop creating false narrative.

Have we bought different profiles of midfielder over the years. Yes or No?

Naso dem dey do. At this point, we should go get Aliens to come play for Man Utd. I don’t know why almost all 11 players on the pitch should be perfect.

Fact is we have bought good players in the past. Our midfield has seen several great players from Matic to Pogba to Herrera. All our transfers can be found here - https://www.transfermarkt.us/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

Whether we overpaid or not is an unrelated question.

Good afternoon fans. Please any update on returning dates for Dialo, Martinez and Co?

Matic and Herrera were great players?

You say the coaches were good and the players were great BUT the team keeps on churning out average to poor performances. Year after year. For a decade.

How now?

Trevor012:

United fans that are confused. The ball playing goalkeeper they wanted they have turned on 😂. Werey people that they were shouting "We need a destroyer in midfield, We need a pure destroyer in midfield" Same clowns turned against Casemiro and they are already turning against Ugarte. The same people crying for a goalscorer will turn against the striker with useless excuse like " He is holding our other attackers back, he does not press or drop deep, players are always ing to him, he is taking too much shots" lmao. This fanbase is confused 😂😂

It’s insane. Ugarte is a destroyer. We know he is not too technical but we wanted a DM that is quite physical while the CMs and AMs do their technical stuff. Now our fans are beginning to question his acquisition. We want the full package. How many ‘full package’ DMs exist then and today?

afrodoc:
Matic and Herrera were great players?

Wow, so Matic was not one of the leading midfielders at some point in the EPL? Herrera was a very good player as well. I don’t know what your definition of great and good is. I am not saying the best or greatest o. Just go and meet Elon to take you to Mars so you can sign Aliens for Man Utd.

nitrogen:


Wow, so Matic was not one of the leading midfielders at some point in the EPL? Herrera was a very good player as well. I don’t know what your definition of great and good is. I am not saying the best or greatest o. Just go and meet Elon to take you to Mars so you can sign Aliens for Man Utd.

Whatever they did before coming here does not matter. Why not go and sign Alan Shearer because he was once great.
Casemiro is one of the greatest CDMs of the modern era. Would you say he has been a great player for us?

Hehehe. Goal post has started to shift. Herrera is now very good. Not great.

nitrogen:


It’s insane. Ugarte is a destroyer. We know he is not too technical but we wanted a DM that is quite physical while the CMs and AMs do their technical stuff. Now our fans are beginning to question his acquisition. We want the full package. How many ‘full package’ DMs exist then and today?

I am not beginning to question anything. I questioned it from the start.

No top club has a starting CDM so inept on the ball.

We are not asking for aliens as you called them. We are just asking for players that are fairly balanced in a way that they are not complete liabilities in a particular facet of the game. Even if they are just above average in their weak area and superb elsewhere it is okay. Not the one where a player is a total liability in speed and another is a total weakling in duels.

Look at Newcastle's midfield. No slow poison like Casemiro there. No weakling like Eriksen there. No grenade controller like Ugarte there.
Aston Villa has similar players. Liverpool has similar placers. Arsenal, for the most part, has similar players. That is the profile we should be going for. Decent speed, technique, strength in one player. Those clubs did not buy aliens; in case you were wondering.

In the desperation to defend the board nitrogen actually stated that the club has been appointing good coaches, but things just did not work out.

The same coaches he comes here to call frauds every Eke market day.

afrodoc:


Do our scouts and board buy well?

Let's leave the confusion in your mind when the same board that according to you keeps hiring the wrong coaches is somehow managing to buy the right players.

We said no to Toni Kroos when Moyes wanted him and got Fellaini instead.

When Gabriel Barbosa and Gabriel Jesus were available, we tried to get Barbosa while Jesus went to City. Barbosa finally came to Europe and failed quickly before heading back to Brazil.

When Antony and Raphinha were available we paid 82m for Antony while Raphinha went to Barca for 50m.

We bought AWB (a RIGHTBACK o) who was obviously never going to be a top-level footballer for 50m. We bought Maguire a molue-slow CB from a lower level EPL team for 80m. This was YEARS ago, and even now top-level strikers are still going for 60-70m. But we bought 2 mediocre defenders for 130m.

If we have been appointing the wrong coaches for years, then we have also been buying the wrong players for years. People here keep talking about how the players can't be bad since they were doing well at their previous clubs before coming here. Well, that excuse can also be made for the managers. They also were doing well in their previous clubs before coming here.

My point was that fans should not get too giddy over any new g based off reputation until they show us their quality in our club, but you and your coven of contrarian spirits must always find something to complain about.

The club is now looking to buy Delap, a bang average English 22 year old striker who scored 12 goals for Bottom side Ipswich. When Osihmen is available.

Ellexy:
So this club is really going for Delap instead of Osimhen....Like someone said, that Delap is screaming Hoijlund 2.0

The stupidity in the Idea of ignoring a world class striker like Osihmen and buy this Delap is an insult to the club. If we are going to buy Cunha, we must add Osihmen and another quality midfielder. This INEOS guy knew he has not money to run a club like Man United yet he went ahead to acquire a stake. This club is finished

CapitalCee:




The club is now looking to buy Delap, a bang average English 22 year old striker who scored 12 goals for Bottom side Ipswich. When Osihmen is available.

From what i heard the club can't afford to buy both Osimhen and Cunha and it seems they have prioritized Cunha, hence the need to get a cheaper alternative in Delap.

The dividends of wasting 200m pounds on Mount, Hojlund, Antony have started to pay off.