NewStats: 3,263,470 , 8,180,230 topics. Date: Friday, 06 June 2025 at 05:51 AM 6z4s4c

lavida001:


As a dr you should know better.

You are thesame people that issue out fit note like you are doing give away. Someone comes to clinic with unshaved beard and old clothes. Boom you guys just issue fit note and say they are depressed and they go on benefit.

However, put aside those gaming the system and going on benefit. There are many genuinely sick people in this country. Could it be that white folks are naturally not strong, could it be the cold or their genetics or maybe it’s a publicly funded health system.

No matter the incentives the government provides I know one thing for sure that it wont make them work. They see that benefit money as birthright.

Hehe.. I knew this would come up.

For starters, I can guess what you're thinking, no be 9ja be dis. The first thing you do when you come into the UK is understand the system you work in. First, what is your understanding of someone not being fit for work. Then secondly, what is your understanding of the benefit system?
As a medic, you soon learn your job is not to be a fit note police -been there, done that, na you go tire that is if you no enter wahala.

Look widely, there are children wards where not uncommonly upto 1 in 5 kids itted on an average day are not there because they have a physical health issues but because of mental health related issues i.e they are not eating, took paracetamol overdose, self-harming e.t.c. What would you do if you encounter such kids who would ultimately grow to become adults? You them. In this country, hospitals would pay 4 people to sit all day and only be brought into action if a child refuses to eat. Abi is it the one of a hospital building a house for someone so the person could get off the ward. Or those that have called out an ambulance visit them over 200 times in a few months cos they keep threatening to kill themselves. Outside health, what happens when you see folks looting a store- do you start boxing them? Even the grocery chains sack their staff who accost thieves. If you have not worked in public facing roles, then there's the part of British life that'd take a while to understand.


It has nothing to do with inate strength. Some of the things you see as work, others see as suffer. If you have the system you have here anywhere, it would get abused overtime. The govt knows what to do to make it sustainable but again, this is Britain.
A colleague of mine completed a work assessment for someone in Canada, chap had lost part of a limb in a freak work accident. Their DWP equivalent callen the chap in for an assessment and afterwards told him to go and be a motivational speaker - him self weak for the guy. Here, outcome would be different. If you want a free for all, you get a free for all. Benefits are there as an essential safetynet. It maintains human dignity in a society but everything has a cost.

Goke7:


It will even have more devastating effects cos it’s not even a smart thing to continue to increase ilr fees and same time then increase the timeline eligibility. Folks are getting wiser now, where elsewhere I can get permanent residence faster and even cheaper. But you know that arrogance of this is Britain and folks won’t mind waiting for 30 years to get ilr but by the time the reality of how they are losing highly skilled workers and revenue then that cycle of another wailing will start like we see in the case of international students. I won’t even mind them testing the waters sef make I check something!

The whole system is becoming commoditised and with a more interconnected world, falling birth rates and remote working, labour would increasingly become more transferable. This has its pros and cons. It's for each to understand they're not here on of a diversity visa.


My main grouse with the fees is how it goes on to affect attainment in many migrant communities. It's tough enough surviving but then after having paid all these fees, its an uphill task to start living and building wealth for many. What's driving most of the Torygraph articles is first hate and then the realisation what the otherside might look like. Most of these outcomes are quite stark when you look at most health or wealth data. Only a small cohort of Asians have been able to break the jinx.

jedisco:


Hehe.. I knew this would come up.

For starters, I can guess what you're thinking, no be 9ja be dis. The first thing you do when you come into the UK is understand the system you work in. First, what is your understanding of someone not being fit for work. Then secondly, what is your understanding of the benefit system?
As a medic, you soon learn your job is not to be a fit note police -been there, done that, na you go tire that is if you no enter wahala.

Look widely, there are children wards where not uncommonly upto 1 in 5 kids itted on an average day are not there because they have a physical health issues but because of mental health related issues i.e they are not eating, took paracetamol overdose, self-harming e.t.c. What would you do if you encounter such kids who would ultimately grow to become adults? You them. In this country, hospitals would pay 4 people to sit all day and only be brought into action if a child refuses to eat. Abi is it the one of a hospital building a house for someone so the person could get off the ward. Or those that have called out an ambulance visit them over 200 times in a few months cos they keep threatening to kill themselves. Outside health, what happens when you see folks looting a store- do you start boxing them? Even the grocery chains sack their staff who accost thieves. If you have not worked in public facing roles, then there's the part of British life that'd take a while to understand.


It has nothing to do with inate strength. Some of the things you see as work, others see as suffer. If you have the system you have here anywhere, it would get abused overtime. The govt knows what to do to make it sustainable but again, this is Britain.
A colleague of mine completed a work assessment for someone in Canada, chap had lost part of a limb in a freak work accident. Their DWP equivalent callen the chap in for an assessment and afterwards told him to go and be a motivational speaker - him self weak for the guy. Here, outcome would be different. If you want a free for all, you get a free for all. Benefits are there as an essential safetynet. It maintains human dignity in a society but everything has a cost.

😂 I sometime at work just because I mentioned how I felt about someone raising their voice at me, omo na so dem tell me make I go on sick leave ( like two weeks), they even went to approve it without my asking, I had to beg them that I was fine and no need! So doc I understand where you’re coming from 😂 e get as e be!

Goke7:

😂 I sometime at work just because I mentioned how I felt about someone raising their voice at me, omo na so dem tell me make I go on sick leave ( like two weeks), they even went to approve it without my asking, I had to beg them that I was fine and no need! So doc I understand where you’re coming from 😂 e get as e be!

Hehe.. that one don enter bullying, trauma and u fit even involve HR.. It's just like what many of us would call discipline but regarded outside as child maltreatment. How many have got into issues.

I have seen a colleague almost get into problems because she came to work while unwell (only a mild fever which had settled - granted during covid). Poor lady was relatively new and the team was struggling- she was only looking to help out. Already words brandied included 'irresponsible' and within hours, it had got to the clinical lead. I began to wonder. These days, I understand better. For e.g you have diarrhoea and vomiting and knowingly come to work or not give it the 48 hr after last episode to return, you might get into issues.

jedisco:


Yeah its not a ban. If the treshold remains that way then the annual pay increase should ultimately push all band 3's upto the limit.

Not necessarily.

Unions are lobbying for a min 3.5% pay rise for 25/26. DHSC has said that its max budget is 2.5 - 2.8%.

An increase of 2.8% raises pay for entry level band 3 roles (i.e. experience<2 years) from £24,074 to approx £24,745
If the top rate of 3.5% is achieved, the new rate will be £24,914 which is still under the new salary threshold. So it remains to be seen.

Note - bands 2 and band 3 entry level will receive an advance pay in April to bring their salaries in line with the new minimum wage.
Band 3 entry level salaries will increase automatically by 2.3% in April to £24,625

Further salary threshold increases are expected with the immigration white paper due out shortly.

Zahra29:


Not necessarily.

Unions are lobbying for a min 3.5% pay rise for 25/26. DHSC has said that its max budget is 2.5 - 2.8%.

An increase of 2.8% raises pay for entry level band 3 roles (i.e. experience<2 years) from £24,074 to approx £24,745
If the top rate of 3.5% is achieved, the new rate will be £24,914 which is still under the new salary threshold. So it remains to be seen.

Note - bands 2 and band 3 entry level will receive an advance pay in April to bring their salaries in line with the new minimum wage.
Band 3 entry level salaries will increase automatically by 2.3% in April to £24,625

Further salary threshold increases are expected with the immigration white paper due out shortly.

If the treshold remains thesame, then annual pay rises should with time push basic band 3's into it.

jedisco:


If the treshold remains thesame, then annual pay rises should with time push basic band 3's into it.

The threshold is expected to increase periodically to keep up with salary requirements using the latest Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (ASHE) data

jedisco:



Agric workers are different in that crops are seasonal and hence they come and go without meeting residency requirements with maximum limit of 6m per year for most. Homes are built all year round with some sites taking several years to complete hence home builders need fulltime and longterm workers. Secondly if a cap is put on the visa - say 3 years, to limit attainment of longterm stay, then that becomes counterproductive. Why should employers invest bring in folks and upskill them only for them to be asked to leave when they have learned the system and are more productive? Finally, even if they leave early, there'd be longterm negative effects. Workers who see themselves as temporary are unlikely to invest in tbe local economy- buy houses, open businesses e.t.c. Most construction work aside labourers would not be regarded as low skill. If less skilled visas could lead to longterm stay then I wonder why this wouldn't. The country needs young builders who can put 20yrs into building for Britain. All said, it remains to be seen if that
pathway would come into effect.

To the bolded, the whole point of a skilled immigration pathway is to bring in already skilled and experienced workers who require little or no investment to bring up to the required standard.

Some valid points and prior to the introduction of the health and care visa route, it wouldn't have been a significant issue.
However due to the ongoing fallout over the "Boris wave", I highly doubt the government would want to introduce a similar route that is potentially open to visa abuse and worker exploitation, not to mention the inevitable spike in net migration figures that they have pledged to reduce drastically. It would be political kryptonite for them.

If they do introduce a pathway, it will likely have similar restrictions as the care visa route such as a ban on dependants, and also probably a cap on numbers.

Another important point to note is that many construction firms are used to cheaper labour, especially before Brexit, and not many will want to pay min £38,700 to sponsor a worker whose standard occupation going rate is less than that.

BouharryArtikou:
Visa Question please:
Parents came to the UK in 2018 (tier 2 work visa).
Daughter (12 years old) ed them in 2022 (as tier2 dependant).

Mother is now British citizen, father now has ILR. Daughter’s Dependant visa is expiring in April.

What sort of visa should be applied for? For the daughter? Is daughter eligible for ILR? Having spent only 2 years and 10 months?

What visa category fits the daughter? Does the 5 year residency before ILR apply to children?

They can apply for ILR for their daughter based on her valid dependant status under her settled parents.

More information and application form here:

https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-family/child-dependant-work-visa

jedisco:



The whole system is becoming commoditised and with a more interconnected world, falling birth rates and remote working, labour would increasingly become more transferable. This has its pros and cons. It's for each to understand they're not here on of a diversity visa.


My main grouse with the fees is how it goes on to affect attainment in many migrant communities. It's tough enough surviving but then after having paid all these fees, its an uphill task to start living and building wealth for many. What's driving most of the Torygraph articles is first hate and then the realisation what the otherside might look like. Most of these outcomes are quite stark when you look at most health or wealth data. Only a small cohort of Asians have been able to break the jinx.

What can they attain after a family of five or six would have spent like 20k on ilr, this is what will even make so many settle to remain on benefits and the same system or govt will start grumbling again about people relying so much on welfare. You can take so much from people and not expect them not get so much back. The whole thing does not encourage productivity in the long run. It’s a mess.

Hello house,
Has anyone attempted getting an attestation of birth from the UK? I need to get one pretty urgently along with the affidavit. Any pointers would be much appreciated.
Thanks

jedisco:


Hehe.. I knew this would come up.

For starters, I can guess what you're thinking, no be 9ja be dis. The first thing you do when you come into the UK is understand the system you work in. First, what is your understanding of someone not being fit for work. Then secondly, what is your understanding of the benefit system?
As a medic, you soon learn your job is not to be a fit note police -been there, done that, na you go tire that is if you no enter wahala.

Look widely, there are children wards where not uncommonly upto 1 in 5 kids itted on an average day are not there because they have a physical health issues but because of mental health related issues i.e they are not eating, took paracetamol overdose, self-harming e.t.c. What would you do if you encounter such kids who would ultimately grow to become adults? You them. In this country, hospitals would pay 4 people to sit all day and only be brought into action if a child refuses to eat. Abi is it the one of a hospital building a house for someone so the person could get off the ward. Or those that have called out an ambulance visit them over 200 times in a few months cos they keep threatening to kill themselves. Outside health, what happens when you see folks looting a store- do you start boxing them? Even the grocery chains sack their staff who accost thieves. If you have not worked in public facing roles, then there's the part of British life that'd take a while to understand.


It has nothing to do with inate strength. Some of the things you see as work, others see as suffer. If you have the system you have here anywhere, it would get abused overtime. The govt knows what to do to make it sustainable but again, this is Britain.
A colleague of mine completed a work assessment for someone in Canada, chap had lost part of a limb in a freak work accident. Their DWP equivalent callen the chap in for an assessment and afterwards told him to go and be a motivational speaker - him self weak for the guy. Here, outcome would be different. If you want a free for all, you get a free for all. Benefits are there as an essential safetynet. It maintains human dignity in a society but everything has a cost.

Not when the nation is broke. If the money is there thats fine. desperate times desperate measures.

Have you seen the huge borrowing rate. The IMF projects a 9% increase in the UK’s debt-to-GDP figure by 2025.

dem go dey alright Africa is there to exploit.

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SPDAZZY:
While planning the holidays for the summer or in the future, do you know it can cost you only £1 for trips to Europe and the United States?
Flights to Nigeria between £40-£50 on British Airways?

With 6000 promotion bonus avios for successful applications, apply for Amex Credit Card using this link

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Let's enjoy fun trips together!

PS: Spend and pay back responsibly!

I’ve never fully understood how the Amex Rewards system works. Could someone please explain it to me in simple ?

For instance, I currently have 346 BA points, but I can’t see my Avios balance in the app anymore. However, I noticed an activity summary showing a deduction of 200 Avios points on March 1st. Does anyone know why they were deducted? Does it happen monthly because I can see I earn a lot from each spend?

Also, what exactly is the Companion Voucher? Is it a separate reward from Avios points?

Lastly, I’ve transferred some Avios points to Qatar Airways in the past—how are Amex, BA, Qatar Airways, and other airlines connected in this system? I feel I’m not fully utilizing this benefit considering all my credit card spend is with AMEX!

That girl from department, is about to unleash her dragon...... 😂🐲🐉🤔

Lexusgs430:
That girl from department, is about to unleash her dragon...... 😂🐲🐉🤔

Spring statement

Lexusgs430:
That girl from department, is about to unleash her dragon...... 😂🐲🐉🤔

Like this?

LionInZion:


Like this?

Some lions in the zion, are not very pleased...... 😁😂

lavida001:

Spring statement

The expo is not going down well, with some of her colleagues......... 😁😉

Lexusgs430:


Some lions in the zion, are not very pleased...... 😁😂

Sure they aren't! But they've got no choice, have they? 😃

LionInZion:


Sure they aren't! But they've got no choice, have they? 😃

Listening to LBC, people are saying they regretted voting Sunak out....... 😁😂

Lexusgs430:



Listening to LBC, people are saying they regretted voting Sunak out....... 😁😂

What else do you expect LBC listeners to say?

Lexusgs430:



Listening to LBC, people are saying they regretted voting Sunak out....... 😁😂

They'll always complain. I wonder what they'd do different in Stamer's shoes.

Lexusgs430:



Listening to LBC, people are saying they regretted voting Sunak out....... 😁😂

on top Benefits matter abi

Goke7:


on top Benefits matter abi

You wan remove their birthright

lavida001:

You wan remove their birthright

I will report you to them you’re one of those people always complaining about benefits make dem find you come your house to carry you 😂

Goke7:

I will report you to them you’re one of those people always complaining about benefits make dem find you come your house to carry you 😂

Dem de ment.

Anyone seen the list of properties, the UK government are about to inherit....... 57 Nigerian's with no known NOK, are about to lose their assets to the crown........ 😁😂👑👑👑

Lexusgs430:
Anyone seen the list of properties, the UK government are about to inherit....... 57 Nigerian's with no known NOK, are about to lose their assets to the crown........ 😁😂👑👑👑

I said it. Africa is always there to exploit.

Our rulers will rather bring the money here and buy houses where they wont sleep in for years than to invest on their own people. No other way to put it .Something is definitely wrong with black race.

lavida001:


I said it. Africa is always there to exploit.

Our rulers will rather bring the money here and buy houses where they wont sleep in for years than to invest on their own people. No other way to put it .Something is definitely wrong with lavida001.

There. Fixed for you.

The full list contains 5806 unclaimed estates. The practice has been in existence for several centuries, and the bulk of them are people born in the UK/Europe, and countries around the world are there too. It's only you who could possibly see 57 from Nigeria and interpret it as proof of exploitation or something being wrong with yourself.

More to the point, now we know those who are keeping an eye on the bona vacantia lists in the hope of spotting the name of some long-abandoned and forgotten relation