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IMAliyu2:


Donations from individual health workers, not the health industry or execs, which based on his policies he wants to abolish and establish a single payer health insurance that's nationalized.

The hypocrisy you think is there is all in your head.

Also don't act like you care about removing money from politics, which you have stated you don't mind.

I dont care about removing money from politics, Its pointing the hypocrisy of people who in the day rail about money in politics, at night they go to collect money from the same rich men

This is the list of those Pfizer donated to

https://www.opensecrets.org/ORGS/recips.php?cycle=A&id=D000000138

raumdeuter:


The hysteria of the left is amusing.

Glad you’re amused. Elon musk wants access to social security systems. A very sensitive issue. (And you this to be true)
Now a top treasury officer is leaving the department because Elon wants it so.

His aides are locking officials out of govt systems. What’s his security clearance that he thinks he has the power to do this?

It’ll get to point where if he you say anything negative about him, he’ll without whatever money/benefits coming your way because he has access to your social security information.

Are you laughing yet? So amusing

Tesla CEO Elon Musk and his pro-austerity Department of Government Efficiency tried to access key systems responsible for paying out the federal government’s salaries and bills, pushing a high-ranking career civil servant to quit the Treasury Department.

According to The Washington Post, David Lebryk, the current deputy secretary of the Treasury Department, is expected to leave the agency after decades of nonpolitical service.

Sources told the Post that Lebryk pushed back on attempts by Musk surrogates to access the nation’s system for doling out paychecks, Social Security and Medicare benefits, tax refunds and federal contracts.

cococandy:


Glad you’re amused. Elon musk wants access to social security systems. A very sensitive issue. (And you this to be true)
Now a top treasury officer is leaving the department because Elon wants it so.

His aides are locking officials out of govt systems. What’s his security clearance that he thinks he has the power to do this?

It’ll get to point where if he you say anything negative about him, he’ll without whatever money/benefits coming your way because he has access to your social security information.

Are you laughing yet? So amusing

Where is your outrage when Mayor Bloomberg, George Soros, Zuckerberg and even this same Musk was donating to the Democrat?

None.

At least Kamala tried. Don’t know about the others.

People cared more about their misogyny and hate for the rainbow coalition. Everything that needed to be said was said by her. And she had better polices to back it up.

People just chose not to listen. I guess her laugh just not good enough.

ObaIgwe1:


They can be all that and still speak out, else their silence might make it look like they are scared of Trump. They need to give the opposition a voice and encouragement by calling out what is wrong real time, give the people clear picture of things against the lies of Trump and his MAGA servants before things get out of control. I don't fancy the idea of them telling the electorate what Trump did wrong only during the election...

raumdeuter:


Where is your outrage when Mayor Bloomberg, George Soros, Zuckerberg and even this same Musk was donating to the Democrat?

None.

After donating , did they pick a corner office in the White House and lock federal officers out of govt systems?

cococandy:

After donating , did they pick a corner office in the White House and lock federal officers out of govt systems?

They dn't need a corner office, they remain in their houses and pull strings just with a phone call. Oh I guess calling in favors and influencing governance from a corner office is much worse than staying in your mansion to be making calls to politicians and judges

You get a Presidential medal of honor for your kind donations too

raumdeuter:


They dn't need a corner office, they remain in their houses and pull strings just with a phone call. Oh I guess calling in favors and influencing governance from a corner office is much worse than staying in your mansion to be making calls to politicians and judges

Actually it is much worse.

No one including me has ever liked that billionaires get to lobby the govt to bills that favor them. You’re asking me where was my outrage when this is something I’ve constantly spoken about on this platform. You’ve even called me jealous of them. So I’m sure you that I haven’t been a silent bootlicker of any politician or billionaire.

The difference between now and then is that they knew to stay in the shadows and back off from publicity that might hurt their brands. Meaning that if people spoke up enough and drew attention to a certain issue, they could back off to avoid inciting more losses. At least this way, we still had power (no matter how small). There was hope.

Now this brazen braggadocios overreach by Musk is clear signs that y’all’s opinions , outrage or protest will mean nothing. He gets to do whatever he wants, push out any check or balance in his way to fund whatever personal project he wants. Damned whose ox is gored.

You don’t see me talking this much about the other billionaires who donated to Trump.

George Soros’ (whose boots I do not kiss) presidential medal of freedom is a medal. It doesn’t give him access to social security systems and ability to remove whatever head of govt agency he wants. You can keep equating two unequal things. I’m not here to argue or change your mind because I am very well aware to YOU KNOW!

raumdeuter:


I dont care about removing money from politics, Its pointing the hypocrisy of people who in the day rail about money in politics, at night they go to collect money from the same rich men

This is the list of those Pfizer donated to

https://www.opensecrets.org/ORGS/recips.php?cycle=A&id=D000000138

Once again individual donations.

If these are coming from PACs you should be able to tell me their names.


Also, do you think I'm unaware that most Democrats are corrupt and take corpo money?

cococandy:


Actually it is much worse.

No one including me has ever liked that billionaires get to lobby the govt to bills that favor them. You’re asking me where was my outrage when this is something I’ve constantly spoken about on this platform. You’ve even called me jealous of them. So I’m sure you that I haven’t been a silent bootlicker of any politician or billionaire.

The difference between now and then is that they knew to stay in the shadows and back off from publicity that might hurt their brands. Meaning that if people spoke up enough and drew attention to a certain issue, they could back off to avoid inciting more losses. At least this way, we still had power (no matter how small). There was hope.

Now this brazen braggadocios overreach by Musk is clear signs that y’all’s opinions , outrage or protest will mean nothing. He gets to do whatever he wants, push out any check or balance in his way to find whatever personal project he wants. Damned whose ox is gored.

You don’t see me talking this much about the other billionaires who donated to Trump.

George Soros’ (whose boots I do not kiss) presidential medal of freedom is a medal. It doesn’t give him access to social security systems and ability to remove whatever head of govt agency he wants. You can keep equating two unequal things. I’m not here to argue or change your mind because I am very well aware to YOU KNOW!

So coming out in public and hurting THEIR brand is what you have an issue with? Not that they even have the ability to pull the strings of politicians like Soros, Bloomberg, Koch etc have been doing for ages

What is the medal to Soros for? Was it in appreciation for several years of pushing money into Democrats hand for policy votes?

Billionaires have been donating to both sides for ages, Its just the hypocrite Democrats who will take these money at night, then in the face f the public come to condemn the act. If you want to collect money, collect with full chest.

IMAliyu2:
Once again individual donations.
If these are coming from PACs you should be able to tell me their names.

The money going into PACs where are they coming from? You dont mind if a Pfizer topshop donates money into a Bernie Superpac?

So what is your gripe exactly?

Musk as an individual can also donate to a PAC in charge of Trumps campaign

IMAliyu2:


Once again individual donations.

If these are coming from PACs you should be able to tell me their names.


Also, do you think I'm unaware that most Democrats are corrupt and take corpo money?

This includes Kamala Biden Obama and Bernie
So you know Bernie is one of those corrupt Democrats who take money from corporations but come out to rail against them in public?

That is why I am calling them out for hypocrisy

---List of common food items that will increase in price due to 25% trade tariff on Mexico and Canada---

From Mexico:
🥑 Avocados (+25%)
🍅 Tomatoes (+25%)
🌶️ Bell peppers (+25%)
🥒 Cucumbers (+25%)
🍓 Strawberries (+25%)
🍋 Limes (+25%)
🥭 Mangoes (+25%)
🫐 Blueberries (+25%)
🍌 Bananas (+25%)
🍇 Grapes (+25%)
🌽 Corn (+25%)
🫘 Beans (+25%)
🥩 Beef (+25%)
🐖 Pork (+25%)
🍤 Shrimp (+25%)
🧀 Cheese (+25%)
🍦 Ice cream (+25%)
🍿 Snack foods (+25%)
🍹 Tequila & mezcal (+25%)
🍺 Beer (+25%)

From Canada:
🥚 Eggs (+25%)
🥩 Beef (+25%)
🐖 Pork (+25%)
🐟 Salmon (+25%)
🦞 Lobster (+25%)
🧀 Cheese (+25%)
🥛 Milk powder (+25%)
🧈 Butter (+25%)
🌾 Wheat (+25%)
🌾 Oats (+25%)
🌾 Barley (+25%)
🌻 Canola oil (+25%)
🍏 Apples (+25%)
🥔 Potatoes (+25%)
🍁 Maple syrup (+25%)
🥃 Whiskey (+25%)
🍺 Beer (+25%)

raumdeuter:

This includes Kamala Biden Obama and Bernie
So you know Bernie is one of those corrupt Democrats who take money from corporations but come out to rail against them in public?

That is why I am calling them out for hypocrisy

The money going into PACs where are they coming from? You dont mind if a Pfizer topshop donates money into a Bernie Superpac?

So what is your gripe exactly?

Musk as an individual can also donate to a PAC in charge of Trumps campaign

I'm talking about democrats in general, yes that includes Kamal Biden and Obama.
My for them is pragmatic, not an uncritical endorsement.

Last I check Bernie is an independent, apart from running on a Dem platform in 2020.

The burden of proof is on you here to demonstrate he takes Healthcare Industry money.
It would be entirely strange for healthcare companies to endorse Bernie considering he literally wants to legislate them out of existence, or at least nationalize them.

The second screenshot is from the Pfizer link you provided, please read the red.

Musk created a superPAC which virtually has no donation limits and provided $200m to Trump's campaign.

---Stock markets fell on coming tariffs---Felon 47 will sign an EO to blame Biden and Obama---for coming high prices and inflation---

https://www.investopedia.com/dow-jones-today-01312025-8783658

Billionaires have been donating for ages to both sides. People hated it. Including me. We disliked it but we’re not scared of them.

Now Musk has come to personally take the govt for himself. In a way that leaves no dissent or opposition. It is scary. If you choose to overlook this major difference between both situations, there’s no conversation to be had.

You don’t like big govt? How contradictory considering how all up in your business he’s about to be. Stay prepared!

raumdeuter:


So coming out in public and hurting THEIR brand is what you have an issue with? Not that they even have the ability to pull the strings of politicians like Soros, Bloomberg, Koch etc have been doing for ages

What is the medal to Soros for? Was it in appreciation for several years of pushing money into Democrats hand for policy votes?

Billionaires have been donating to both sides for ages, Its just the hypocrite Democrats who will take these money at night, then in the face f the public come to condemn the act. If you want to collect money, collect with full chest.

raumdeuter:


The hysteria of the left is amusing.
Who are these people who don't like you?
Do you like these people?
Why do you need them to like you?
Why is the onus on certain people to like you and not on you to like them

Broda I am not on the left. Me don tell you for the umpteenth time. Because I find the Republican party repulsive does not mean I am on the left.

And that's your problem. People disagree with you on the basis of common sense most times, not because they are left-leaning.

You gullibly, naively hand power to people who don't like your kind but your problem is with me.

I need to tell you that when people don't like your kind, it means they don't like your offsprings as well?

cococandy:
Billionaires have been donating for ages to both sides. People hated it. Including me. We disliked it but we’re not scared of them.

Now Musk has come to personally take the govt for himself. In a way that leaves no dissent or opposition. If you choose to overlook this major difference between both situations, there’s no conversation to be had.

You don’t like big govt? How contradictory considering how all up in your business he’s about to be. Stay prepared!

Billionaires have been in politics for long. I don't mind. If i happen to become a billionaire, I will also spend money to influence govt policies.

It's the hypocritical Democrats who condemn Billionaires donations on one hand then vote for candidates who take Billionaire donation and are beholden to the same Billionaires at the polls

This is Trump asking Hillary the same thing. Democrats take money from billionaires, complain about them in public take their money in private

How do they define hypocrisy again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXB0GebRrQ?si=YyjDvDZ0py929km5

nateevs:


Broda I am not on the left. Me don tell you for the umpteenth time. Because I find the Republican party repulsive does not mean I am on the left.

And that's your problem. People disagree with you on the basis of common sense most times, not because they are left-leaning.

You gullibly, naively hand power to people who don't like your kind but your problem is with me.

I need to tell you that when people don't like your kind, it means they don't like your offsprings as well?

What are the common sense thing you disagree with me on? Rather it's mostly emotional things like they don't like me, they don't like me. Like a pre teen shopping for friends.

Who are these people who don't like you and your offsprings Do you like them?

Why are you worried about people who don't like you?
Do you like everyone youve met in life? Why should they like you?

You keep going on about they like me, they don't like me like we are on a primary school yard

You dont like me, I don't like you too simple. When did life become about people liking me or not

You have the freedom to like anyone or not

Shoot! All my items are impacted no more avocado toast for ma breakfast what shall I do without my wild salmon?

Even my whiskey, imported Tequila and rum price going up

I'm crying so hard 😭

I have to carry my empty keys go Dayo house go collect.

feedthenation:
---List of common food items that will increase in price due to 25% trade tariff on Mexico and Canada---

From Mexico:
🥑 Avocados (+25%)
🍅 Tomatoes (+25%)
🌶️ Bell peppers (+25%)
🥒 Cucumbers (+25%)
🍓 Strawberries (+25%)
🍋 Limes (+25%)
🥭 Mangoes (+25%)
🫐 Blueberries (+25%)
🍌 Bananas (+25%)
🍇 Grapes (+25%)
🌽 Corn (+25%)
🫘 Beans (+25%)
🥩 Beef (+25%)
🐖 Pork (+25%)
🍤 Shrimp (+25%)
🧀 Cheese (+25%)
🍦 Ice cream (+25%)
🍿 Snack foods (+25%)
🍹 Tequila & mezcal (+25%)
🍺 Beer (+25%)

From Canada:
🥚 Eggs (+25%)
🥩 Beef (+25%)
🐖 Pork (+25%)
🐟 Salmon (+25%)
🦞 Lobster (+25%)
🧀 Cheese (+25%)
🥛 Milk powder (+25%)
🧈 Butter (+25%)
🌾 Wheat (+25%)
🌾 Oats (+25%)
🌾 Barley (+25%)
🌻 Canola oil (+25%)
🍏 Apples (+25%)
🥔 Potatoes (+25%)
🍁 Maple syrup (+25%)
🥃 Whiskey (+25%)
🍺 Beer (+25%)

IMAliyu2:


I'm talking about democrats in general, yes that includes Kamal Biden and Obama.
My for them is pragmatic, not an uncritical endorsement.

Last I check Bernie is an independent, apart from running on a Dem platform in 2020.

The burden of proof is on you here to demonstrate he takes Healthcare Industry money.
It would be entirely strange for healthcare companies to endorse Bernie considering he literally wants to legislate them out of existence, or at least nationalize them.

The second screenshot is from the Pfizer link you provided, please read the red.

Musk created a superPAC which virtually has no donation limits and provided $200m to Trump's campaign.

Bernie ran as a Democrat in 2016 and 2020

Healthcare companies know Bernie is a joke like most democrats. They say things in public to appeal to the sentiments of people like you and when they get to power they do absolutely nothing

That is why Trump is so appealing to voters, he said it and he will do it.

Zuckerberg donated to Democratic candidates in 2020 over 200m. Suddenly it's Musk that is the problem

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/business/zuckerberg-300-million-voting/index.html

armyofone:
Shoot! All my items are impacted no more avocado toast for ma breakfast what shall I do without my wild salmon?

Even my whiskey, imported Tequila and rum price going up

I'm crying so hard 😭

I have to carry my empty keys go Dayo house go collect.

Don't worry we are about to start dry fasting in America so we can stop being overweight

me for intermittent fast for the next 4yrs while we make America Healthy Again, Prosperous again and Great Again

cococandy:

After donating , did they pick a corner office in the White House and lock federal officers out of govt systems?

This guy own us something else. Wonder what ace he got up his sleeves.
Kicking people out of work is on another level. He is so African in his behavior.

raumdeuter:


Don't worry we are about to start dry fasting in America so we can stop being overweight

me for intermittent fast for the next 4yrs while we make America Healthy Again, Prosperous again and Great Again

As how ? What healthy are you going to get when all the healthy food items are expensive ?

What can replace wild salmon, Avocado and eggs ? Intermittent hunger ?

I have no other language to explain to you that it’s not the same thing. And I know in my heart of hearts that you understand this. Pls don’t make me go around in a bad faith debate. You know this is not the same.

Lobbying is American style politics. Most people hate it. But it’s unprecedented that a billionaire with an axe to grind has access to Medicare and federal agencies payment systems? These are funds that go directly into individual households.

According to the newspaper, Lebryk has clashed with allies of Musk, whom Trump has named to lead his new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), over access to payment systems that the agency uses to distribute more than $6 trillion annually to households and businesses.

Social Security and Medicare benefits, paychecks for federal employees, and payments to government contractors and grant recipients all flow through the payment systems run by the Bureau of Fiscal Service, among thousands of other functions.

Since Trump won the election in November, officials Musk has named as DOGE staffers have been asking for access to the payment systems, and the demands have been reiterated since the president took office last week, the Post reported.

raumdeuter:


Billionaires have been in politics for long. I don't mind. If i happen to become a billionaire, I will also spend money to influence govt policies.

It's the hypocritical Democrats who condemn Billionaires donations on one hand then vote for candidates who take Billionaire donation and are beholden to the same Billionaires at the polls

This is Trump asking Hillary the same thing. Democrats take money from billionaires, complain about them in public take their money in private

How do they define hypocrisy again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jXB0GebRrQ?si=YyjDvDZ0py929km5

armyofone:


This guy own us something else. Wonder what ace he got up his sleeves.
Kicking people out of work is on another level. He is so African in his behavior.

They’re preparing the ground for a heist of gargantuan proportions.

feedthenation:
---Stock markets fell on coming tariffs---Felon 47 will sign an EO to blame Biden and Obama---for coming high prices and inflation---

https://www.investopedia.com/dow-jones-today-01312025-8783658

the sky is falling.

armyofone:


As how ? What healthy are you going to get when all the healthy food items are expensive ?

What can replace wild salmon, Avocado and eggs ? Intermittent hunger ?

You know Americans are quite obese and unhealthy

We are going on intermittent fasting. us as we make America healthy again

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raumdeuter:

Bernie ran as a Democrat in 2016 and 2020

Noted correction, forgot to mention 2016.

Healthcare companies know Bernie is a joke like most democrats. They say things in public to appeal to the sentiments of people like you and when they get to power they do absolutely nothing

That is why Trump is so appealing to voters, he said it and he will do it.

For someone that plans on doing nothing, he's sure been consistent about wanting "Medicare for all", and won't shut up about it, unlike Biden that said he'd vito it during his .
This is besides the fact that the Dems, shafted Bernie especially during the 2016 primaries.

(Note you still haven't proven the initial claim)
If these companies truly did, then they were taking a terrible gamble.
Like the republican farmers that voted for trump and were hoping he wouldn't go through with the deportations, knowing they relied on undocumented immigrant labour.

I'm aware of the appeal of Donald Trump, and the fact that his words and promises should have been taken seriously, that's why we're here vocalizing our opposition to him and his policies. During the campaigns and now as president.
Also why I have developed a hatred of the Democratic party, my for them is purely pragmatic.

Zuckerberg donated to Democratic candidates in 2020 over 200m. Suddenly it's Musk that is the problem

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/business/zuckerberg-300-million-voting/index.html

I want money out of politics period, politicians should represent the interest their voters, not a few wealthy individuals, some Democrats share my position, almost all Republicans are against it.

So I don't care that Zuckerberg donated to Dems, these people are opportunists, and bendover or hope to control whoever is in power, in hopes of favors. That shouldn't be a thing, neither Elon nor Zuck.

I don't know why you're telling me this, we've had this discussion before and I made my position known.

If your point is that Democrats are often hypocrites, then yeah I agree, but I think Republicans are a death cult that want to bring about the 4th Reich, and turn the USA into Christian Sharia state, deregulate all sectors and allow for unfettered exploitation of Americans.

IMAliyu2:

Noted correction, forgot to mention 2016.


For someone that plans on doing nothing, he's sure been consistent about wanting "Medicare for all", and won't shut up about it, unlike Biden that said he'd vito it during his .
This is besides the fact that the Dems, shafted Bernie especially during the 2016 primaries.

(Note you still haven't proven the initial claim)
If these companies truly did, then they were taking a terrible gamble.
Like the republican farmers that voted for trump and were hoping he wouldn't go through with the deportations, knowing they relied on undocumented immigrant labour.

I'm aware of the appeal of Donald Trump, and the fact that his words and promises should have been taken seriously, that's why were here vocalizing our opposition to him and his policies. During the campaigns and now as president.
Also why I have developed a hatred of the Democratic party, my for them is purely pragmatic.


I want money out of politics period, politicians should represent the interest their voters, not a few wealthy individuals, some Democrats share my position, almost all Republicans are against it.

So I don't care that Zuckerberg donated to Dems, these people are opportunists, and bendover or hope to control whoever is in power, in hopes of favors. That shouldn't be a thing, neither Elon nor Zuck.

I don't know why you're telling me this, we've had this discussion before and I made my position known.

If your point is that Democrats are often hypocrites, then yeah I agree, but I think Republicans are a death cult that want to bring about the 4th Reich, and turn the USA into Christian Sharia state.

I think the key is to look at how people voted when they had a chance to.
Democrats always have voted to limit money in politics. Republicans the other way around.
It was a conservative court's 5-4 decision that gave us Citizens United which basically allowed unlimited corporate money in elections.
Dems decided they couldn't unilaterally disarm.

Most of the talk surrounding this in this thread seems totally devoid of reality or fact and intellectually dishonest people (raumdeuter) are doing their intellectually dishonest thing.

cococandy:
I have no other language to explain to you that it’s not the same thing. And I know in my heart of hearts that you understand this. Pls don’t make me go around in a bad faith debate. You know this is not the same.

Lobbying is American style politics. Most people hate it. But it’s unprecedented that a billionaire with an axe to grind has access to Medicare and federal agencies payment systems? These are funds that go directly into individual households.

When Soros was doing it, what was his motive? Now it's Musk who has an axe to grind? When Musk was donating to Democrats he didnt have an axe to grind, its when he became Republican that he grew an axe?

Soros will not have access but give directions to those who have access to do his bidding like he's been doing for decades and getting a presidential medal for it

IMAliyu2:

Noted correction, forgot to mention 2016.


For someone that plans on doing nothing, he's sure been consistent about wanting "Medicare for all", and won't shut up about it, unlike Biden that said he'd vito it during his .
This is besides the fact that the Dems, shafted Bernie especially during the 2016 primaries.

(Note you still haven't proven the initial claim)
If these companies truly did, then they were taking a terrible gamble.
Like the republican farmers that voted for trump and were hoping he wouldn't go through with the deportations, knowing they relied on undocumented immigrant labour.

I'm aware of the appeal of Donald Trump, and the fact that his words and promises should have been taken seriously, that's why we're here vocalizing our opposition to him and his policies. During the campaigns and now as president.
Also why I have developed a hatred of the Democratic party, my for them is purely pragmatic.


I want money out of politics period, politicians should represent the interest their voters, not a few wealthy individuals, some Democrats share my position, almost all Republicans are against it.

So I don't care that Zuckerberg donated to Dems, these people are opportunists, and bendover or hope to control whoever is in power, in hopes of favors. That shouldn't be a thing, neither Elon nor Zuck.

I don't know why you're telling me this, we've had this discussion before and I made my position known.

If your point is that Democrats are often hypocrites, then yeah I agree, but I think Republicans are a death cult that want to bring about the 4th Reich, and turn the USA into Christian Sharia state, deregulate all sectors and allow for unfettered exploitation of Americans.

I am not opposed to money in politics that's where we differ. If I have money like them I will do the same

And it's media hysteria and lies that it's turning America to a 4th Reich and Christian Sharia state

That's part of the lies