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madridguy:
Wa Iyakum.

The Allah told us never to forget our departed souls in our prayer.

Can you show us where Allah said this?

anyone who invent lies against Allah.......

And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allah will never prosper. (Surat an-Nahl 16:116)

And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allah is on the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.) (Surat al-Hud 11:18)

Madridguy be careful!

madridguy:
What is bid'ah in the way they're doing it. The OP message stand on condemnation of Fidau prayer so I don't expect you to band A and oppose band B. Stand upright brother.

I have known the OP here for years just as you!

The OP never outrightly forbid fidau. The context is the "Ganu si" event that is in vogue now!

No one condemns a righteous kid praying for his dead Muslim parents!
No one condemns charity done on behalf of the dead!

You are the one mixing things up in confusion!

rock003:


Because you people want to force your cuzzed religion and its curzzed Arab pagan laws on Yorubas.

If u don't force yourself on others, nobody will give a two-penny fuvck about u pagans.

How is anyone forcing Islam on you?
Islam is not for pigs!
We don’t call pigs to Islam!

madridguy:
Fidau prayer is never a bidia and doesn't stopped in Yoruba land alone. Make your findings very well and stop saying what Allah S.W.T didn't say in the holy Quran.

It is an Innovation.

Islam is practiced all over the World, how come we see this gathering only amongst the Yorubas?

3 Days, 8 Days, 14 Days and 40 Days Prayers?

The Prophet ( Peace Be Upon Him) never practiced it nor his Noble Companions.

They are the standard in this matter of ours.

NOETHNICITY:
How is anyone forcing Islam on you?
Islam is not for pigs!
We don’t call pigs to Islam!

Lolz.

Imagine this pagan pig calling someone else a pig

In actual fact, you are worse than a pig.

You left all the idols in Yoruba land and started bowing down to an idol from mecca pagans. Boy, even a pig will feel dishonored to be associated with you.

Òpònú, apòdà erú larubawa.

You as well should show us where the Prophet used Car, Telephone or ed on nairaland. Show us if he ever watched TV, slept on Mattress and wore koikoi shoes. Tell us if prophet used sandcrete blocks to build any of his houses, used gas cooker or drank processed pure water. What's the reward for someone that uses Car, Telephone and Mattress in heaven, after all, prophet didn't used any of these things. Show us from the Quran or Hadith, if a practice is a SIN or a reward for a particular practice, instead of saying Prophet didn't do this or that. We don't need to be daft sometimes.

Rashduct4luv:


You should show us where the Prophet you follow performed fidau on his kids that died or others from his wives or companions that died!

You are the one required to bring the evidence that Fidau has any good and show us how the Prophet did it.

It is established in Islam to perform bath for a deceased Muslim and to bury them. Show us the evidence for Fidau, how did the Prophet did it? When did he do it? What was recited? Did he "Ganu si" like those Alfas?

rock003:


Lolz.

Imagine this pagan pig calling someone else a pig

In actual fact, you are worse than a pig.

You left all the idols in Yoruba land and started bowing down to an idol from mecca pagans. Boy, even a pig will feel dishonored to be associated with you.

Òpònú, apòdà erú larubawa.

Although I didn’t call your name, but instinctively you knew you are the pig here.

You as well should show us where the Prophet /Sahaba used Car, Telephone or ed on nairaland. Show us if they ever watched TV, slept on Mattress and wore koikoi shoes. Tell us if prophet/Sahaba used sandcrete blocks to build any of their houses, used gas cooker or drank processed pure water. What's the reward for someone that uses Car, Telephone and Mattress in heaven, after all, prophet/Sahaba didn't used any of these things. Show us from the Quran or Hadith, if a practice is a SIN or a reward for a particular practice, instead of saying Prophet/Sahaba didn't do this or that. We don't need to be daft sometimes.

egalitarianism:
Stop saying what you don't know.

Show us where the Holy prophet or Sahaba did so.

You should only interfere in Islamic issue when you have that knowledge

Stop this Prophet did this, he didn't do that. Did Prophet (saw) used Car, Telephone or ed on nairaland?

Show us from the Quran or Hadith, if such gathering, fixing loudspeakers, eating, drinking soft drinks and singing praises in such occasion is a SIN or a reward for that practice, We don't need to be daft sometimes.

aumeehn:

You are the person that should stop saying what you dont know
The Religion of Islam is backed by facts from the Quran and Hadiths.
You should Pray for your Dead ones but dont Gather and Fix loudspeakers, eat, drink and sing praises
No one said you should do that its Bid’a
Nothing different from a Typical Igbo Burial.
Its Bid’a
The Prophet (SAW) never gathered his companions for Any Fida,u or Whatever

Innovation is Haram in Islam? 🤣🤣🤣

I don't know where you people got all these mentality from. Thank God, the prophet (saw) talked about innovation in Islam after his death. Please, ask those that are knowledgeable than yourself, they will tell you more about innovation in Islam and the highlights about innovation in Islam by prophet (saw)

aumeehn:
its Innovation in Islam because the Prophet never did it.
Innovation is Haram in Islam

That doesn't make your late dad RIGHT or WRONG

NOETHNICITY:
My late dad, may Almighty Allah have mercy on his soul, before his death warned me being the eldest son, very sternly about this.

He was so stern that he almost placed a curse upon anyone who would against his wish!

After his death we didn’t do anything for him

But I ensure to always him in my 5daily prayers

I do 30 instigfara and recite Sura Ikhlas after every of my 5daily prayers, for him. No matter how busy I am I must do this

A religion of confusion!

aminauiade:
Innovation is Haram in Islam? 🤣🤣🤣

I don't know where you people got all these mentality from. Thank God, the prophet (saw) talked about innovation in Islam after his death. Please, ask those that are knowledgeable than yourself, they will tell you more about innovation in Islam and the highlights about innovation in Islam by prophet (saw)

Whose innovation is it to sleep with a 9 year-old girl, have up to 12 wives and lash any woman lashable giving them money? ' by their fruits, you shall know them'..

madridguy:
Fidau prayer is never a bidia and doesn't stopped in Yoruba land alone. Make your findings very well and stop saying what Allah S.W.T didn't say in the holy Quran.

Quote your quote let's hear,he mentioned a Hadith for .

aminauiade:
That doesn't make your late dad RIGHT or WRONG

Somebody is not right, yet not wrong?
What are you saying?

Do we use your Dad as a case study for everyone?

NOETHNICITY:
Somebody is not right, yet not wrong?
What are you saying?

aminauiade:
Do we use your Dad as a case study for everyone?

If someone is neither wrong nor right, then he is what, according to you logic?
I am just trying to understand you, what you mean!

Is that your evidence of fidau prayer?

Do you use your own brain to justify what's right or wrong in Islam or you do how the holy prophet and his Sahaba did?

madridguy:
I am asking you, did the prophet and sahabah lay curses on their loved one after their demised? Since you said they don't offer prayer for them.

3 days, 8 days, 14 days and 40 days are practise by Hausa, Igala, Igbira, Muslims in Ghana, Togolese Muslim.

The Arab self dey do am but not in our way.

i.e, The first son will gather his late father's friend for a dinner or so for his late father. I don't know if it is all the Arab though.

Pakistani Muslims self also do it. So don't say it only Yoruba Muslim.

Lukuluku69:


It is an Innovation.

Islam is practiced all over the World, how come we see this gathering only amongst the Yorubas?

3 Days, 8 Days, 14 Days and 40 Days Prayers?

The Prophet ( Peace Be Upon Him) never practiced it nor his Noble Companions.

They are the standard in this matter of ours.

I have asked Abu Twins question which he has been avoiding. If you agreed that congregation prayer is Bid'ah, then you should also say congregation Solat Janazah is also Bid'ah because even when the prophet ed on his Sahabah didn't perform Solat Janazah in congregation.

egalitarianism:
Is that your evidence of fidau prayer?

Do you use your own brain to justify what's right or wrong in Islam or you do how the holy prophet and his Sahaba did?

Stop using your brain to determine whatever that's right or wrong.

You can't know Islam more than the holy prophet.
People were dying when he was alive, show us in any Hadith where they sat for fidau prayer or they cooked food after 8 days or 40 days.

Show us

aminauiade:
You as well should show us where the Prophet /Sahaba used Car, Telephone or ed on nairaland. Show us if they ever watched TV, slept on Mattress and wore koikoi shoes. Tell us if prophet/Sahaba used sandcrete blocks to build any of their houses, used gas cooker or drank processed pure water. What's the reward for someone that uses Car, Telephone and Mattress in heaven, after all, prophet/Sahaba didn't used any of these things. Show us from the Quran or Hadith, if a practice is a SIN or a reward for a particular practice, instead of saying Prophet/Sahaba didn't do this or that. We don't need to be daft sometimes.

He didn't answer you because what you're asking, you don't even understand (if this is thesame question you asked him) and he must have found it too demeaning to respond.

1. Who agreed that congregation prayer is Bid'ah? Who?
2. When prophet was Alive, he never observed solatul janāzah in jamma'a? Is that what you're saying?
3. The Sahaba also never observed solatul janāzah in jamma'a? That's what you're saying?

I don't think you understand all these questions u asked seriously.

madridguy:
I have asked Abu Twins question which he has been avoiding. If you agreed that congregation prayer is Bid'ah, then you should also say congregation Solat Janazah is also Bid'ah because even when the prophet ed on his Sahabah didn't perform Solat Janazah in congregation.

Using ones brain in many aspect of life is necessary, though, common sense is not common.

Show us in any Hadith where it's written that sitting for Fidau prayer or cooking food for the loved ones on that particular day is a SIN. We don't need to be daft sometimes.

egalitarianism:
Stop using your brain to determine whatever that's right or wrong.

You can't know Islam more than the holy prophet.
People were dying when he was alive, show us in any Hadith where they sat for fidau prayer or they cooked food after 8 days or 40 days.

Show us

I am asking you a direct question. Why did the Sahabah didn't observe the Solat Janazah of the prophet in congregation.

egalitarianism:
He didn't answer you because what you're asking, you don't even understand (if this is thesame question you asked him) and he must have found it too demeaning to respond.

1. Who agreed that congregation prayer is Bid'ah? Who?
2. When prophet was Alive, he never observed solatul janāzah in jamma'a? Is that what you're saying?
3. The Sahaba also never observed solatul janāzah in jamma'a? That's what you're saying?

I don't think you understand all these questions u asked seriously.

I mean, I cannot fault your late dad nor does his decision makes it right for eveyone. He can as well instructed you to bury him in one of his wives' room, it doesn't matter for everybody. Sooo ye e!

NOETHNICITY:
If someone is neither wrong nor right, then he is what, according to you logic?
I am just trying to understand you, what you mean!

How versed are you in Islamic jurisprudence first? Because your type may not even no more than to be able to read Quran and be objecting evidence of those who have seenore than them.

If you're not well versed, don't interfere whenever they're telling you what Islam is because it's like a primary pupil trying to (act like a doctor) cater for a sick person. What does he know

You do according to what Islam prescribed, not your brain. This got nothing to do with being a degree holder, you can be PhD holder and be zero when it comes to Islamic jurisprudence (if you are not learned in it)

Also, you don't have to insult me, show ethics if being a good Muslim. Don't insult me

You'll see proof now and still be adamant to accept it.


You prepare food for family of the deceased not the other way round you're doing
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said when Ja’far ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) ed away: “Prepare food for the family of Ja’far, for there has come to them something that is preoccupying them.”
(Sunan Abu Dawood, 3132; classified as Sahih by Al-Albani)

Jarir ibn ‘Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:"We used to consider gathering at the house of the deceased and preparing food after burial as part of wailing.”
(Sunan Ibn Majah, 1612; classified as Hasan by Al-Albani)

Innovation (Bid'ah) is doing an act of religion/worship in a way that wasn't done by the holy prophet himself or the Sahaba or the Tabee'in

There's no where you'll see it that you should picked specific day like 8 or 40 days for praying for the dead.

Prophet ask us to do that every time we finished 5 daily solat

aminauiade:
Using ones brain in many aspect of life is necessary, though, common sense is not common.

Show us in any Hadith where it's written that sitting for Fidau prayer or cooking food for the loved ones on that particular day is a SIN. We don't need to be daft sometimes.

That's what I'm saying. You don't understand it.

They observed it (the funeral prayer) in congregation, but group by group.

You'll ask why was it in group by group if you don't know.

Stop saying what you don't know please

Meanwhile, you can still observe funeral prayer for your dead solely if you didn't met the jamma'a or you're not aware on time (up to a month after his/her death.

madridguy:
I am asking you a direct question. Why did the Sahabah didn't observe the Solat Janazah of the prophet in congregation.

They didn't observe the janazah prayer group by group but one after the other.
You can even observe Solat Gaib to your love one in far distance which I know.

My question still stand, why didn't the Sahabah at the funeral never observe the janazah prayer together.

egalitarianism:
That's what I'm saying. You don't understand it.

They observed it (the funeral prayer) in congregation, but group by group.

You'll ask why was it in group by group if you don't know.

Stop saying what you don't know please

Meanwhile, you can still observe funeral prayer for your dead solely if you didn't met the jamma'a or you're not aware on time (up to a month after his/her death.

aminauiade:
I mean, I cannot fault your late dad nor does his decision makes it right for eveyone. He can as well instructed you to bury him in one of his wives' room, it doesn't matter for everybody. Sooo ye e!

Your position makes no logical sense and also lacks any basis in Islamic principles of jurisprudence!

If you are wrong, you’re wrong!
If you are right, then you are right! Period
No sugarcoating

If you say he is wrong, then you would have to tell how he was wrong and under what principle he was!

egalitarianism:
How versed are you in Islamic jurisprudence first? Because your type may not even no more than to be able to read Quran and be objecting evidence of those who have seenore than them.

If you're not well versed, don't interfere whenever they're telling you what Islam is because it's like a primary pupil trying to (act like a doctor) cater for a sick person. What does he know

You do according to what Islam prescribed, not your brain. This got nothing to do with being a degree holder, you can be PhD holder and be zero when it comes to Islamic jurisprudence (if you are not learned in it)

Also, you don't have to insult me, show ethics if being a good Muslim. Don't insult me

You'll see proof now and still be adamant to accept it.


You prepare food for family of the deceased not the other way round you're doing
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said when Ja’far ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) ed away: “Prepare food for the family of Ja’far, for there has come to them something that is preoccupying them.”
(Sunan Abu Dawood, 3132; classified as Sahih by Al-Albani)

Jarir ibn ‘Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:"We used to consider gathering at the house of the deceased and preparing food after burial as part of wailing.”
(Sunan Ibn Majah, 1612; classified as Hasan by Al-Albani)

Innovation (Bid'ah) is doing an act of religion/worship in a way that wasn't done by the holy prophet himself or the Sahaba or the Tabee'in

There's no where you'll see it that you should picked specific day like 8 or 40 days for praying for the dead.

Prophet ask us to do that every time we finished 5 daily solat

I like your perspective