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CaptSolitude:
Hi everyone, I'll really appreciate your opinion on this. Thanks.

quote author=CaptSolitude post=133794891]Hello everyone,

I currently hold a Post-Graduation Work Permit (PGWP) and plan to apply for the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program (OINP) under the Student Stream. I have a PhD from Nigeria, which I did not declare when I applied for my study visa/permit a few years ago. This was due to the unavailability of the certificate and WES verification at that time.

My question is whether it is advisable to now declare my PhD in the OINP application, as it would earn me an additional points. The PhD certificate predates both the date of my initial study visa application and my extension.

I would greatly appreciate any advice or input on this matter.

Thank you.

an immigration lawyer . This is tricky

ednut1:
Canada does not need the amount of students it has currently. Majority are in the so called diploma mills earning degrees/diplomas that are not useful. Its now a case of cash grab colleges vs people looking for a shortcut to PR. Without clear pathway to PR fewer people would apply . The provinces should fund the colleges so they stop looking for international students money

Ok. Let me make it clearer.
The political leaders think the economy/uni needs the number of students they let in which is the reason they let whatever number they devide on be. Wether you think they're right or wrong is another discussion which is different from the point I was making.

In every developed nation, one of the easiest visas to manage are student visas. If the government thinks they need 200, the decision can be made in an afternoon and select 200 unis get one person each. Its that easy.

RodgersAkpafu:

Yes as per the bolded
Regardless of race
Anyone who moves to another country PRIMARILY for economic upward mobility IS AN ECONOMIC MIGRANT.

No shame in that

What is however VERY WRONG is economic migrants using the study route as a backdoor to "enter" a country, without any Scholarly intent.
I.e. coming in via school, ditching the program that brought you to the country in the first place and then hustling day and night i.e. fake students. To add insult to injury, even the bachelors degrees and other ing docunents ARE FAKE!

That makes the overwhelming majority of modern migrant economic- whether it's Brits going to Dubai or Haland moving to Manchester

That you don't like something does not make it wrong.

Falsifying documents is a crime hence no need going there.
Higher education for most is to achieve 2 aims- experience/exposure and training in one group, earning potential in another. Many of these students would not pay those sums to study in their home nations and only pay cos they are drawn to the economic benefit of studying in UK/Can. A student deciding midway through uni that the ultimate economic interests of studying are better met elsewhere and deciding to drop out have not committed a crime (except stated). People do that everywhere. The uni might frown upon it (as they lose funds) government too. It's then the role of unis/government to put in checks and balances to prevent that from occuring if they think its a significant issue.

The funny thing with this is that taking the UK as an example, students who decided to switch legally before new rules came to be were able to keep their family and are on a pathway to longterm stay. Many who finished are now facing an uphill battle to find a job that can sponsor as thresholds are much higher. Again, both groups commited no crime.

RodgersAkpafu:


Working with data is part of my JD


Like I will keep hammering here : This is the decade where these guys will be "cut to size" and "all excesses checked"
Just watch and see how things play out in this Trump's (and incoming Polivere) years, and beyond

@the bolded: you don't mean it. I must commend your analytical skills.


You can keep wishing however life has taught me certain lessons. Whether its capitalism in economics, the parable of the talents in the bible or positive in physiology, one of the overriding principles that rule our world is simple- He who has is more likely to get more except... I'd say that if the Indian nation continues to grow, the next 2 decades would see them become a dominant force world over.

No need arguing, we don't think alike and it seems this is where our thought process largely deviates. You see, I came to the UK 6yrs ago as a higher rate tax payer. In that time, I've quadrupled my income. In many facets, I have done well for myself. I'm moving to Canada aiming to 1.5-3x+ that in 5 yrs from all sources and ultimately retire/pivot in my early 50's in a country of my choosing. I have worked with Indians as seniors, mates and juniors (who were under my tutelage). I've worked with Indian nurses, health assistants and even carers (some of which might have paid their way to come in). On my estate are Indians, my last PM was of Indian heritage. I see them as every regular person and never seen them as a threat. Whether I achieve my goals or not would not be because of them. If you want to live your life seeing them in your dreams, it's up to you.

jedisco:


@the bolded: you don't mean it. I must commend your analytical skills.


You can keep wishing however life has taught me certain lessons. Wether its capitalism in economics, the parable of the talents in the bible or positive as in physiology, one of the principles that rule our world is simple- He who has is more likely to get more except... I'd say that if the Indian nation continues to grow, the next 2 decades would see them become a dominant force world over.

No need arguing, we don't think alike and it seems this is where our though process largely deviates. You see, I came to the UK 6yrs ago as a higher rate tax payer. In that time, I've quadrupled my income. In many facets, I have done well for myself. I'm moving to Canada aiming to 1.5-3x+ that in 5 yrs from all sources and ultimately retire/pivot in my early 50's in a country of my choosing. I have worked with Indians as seniors, mates and juniors (who were under my tutelage). I've worked with Indian nurses, health assistants and even carers (some of which might have paid their way to come in). On my estate are Indians, my last PM was of Indian heritage. I see them as every regular person and never seen them as a threat. Wether I achieve my goals or not would not be because of them. If you want to live your life seeing them in your dreams, it's up to you.

I can respect this 💯
Not all Indians are of the bucket I described
Just like you, I have met amazing Indians
My best professor was a Chowdhury....

All I am saying is that the myth that EVERY INDIAN is of that stock is inaccurate, and the impostors hiding under the very good ones will be exposed in due time

There is a huge difference between an Indian who entered and finished from an IIT (very good) and a punjab who forged his certificate to enter uni in Canada/UK (very bad,)

I wish you the very best in your future plans
But only you wan collect UK and Canada kpali
It's not a crime sha

I was fiddling with the idea of entering with express entry, but omo, my age is working against me despite my work experience and education
My only hope is via French and MAYBE PNP

RodgersAkpafu:


Yes as per the bolded
Regardless of race
Anyone who moves to another country PRIMARILY for economic upward mobility IS AN ECONOMIC MIGRANT.

No shame in that

What is however VERY WRONG is economic migrants using the study route as a backdoor to "enter" a country, without any Scholarly intent.
I.e. coming in via school, ditching the program that brought you to the country in the first place and then hustling day and night i.e. fake students. To add insult to injury, even the bachelors degrees and other ing docunents ARE FAKE!

That is an economic migrant disguised as a student, and it is a long term risk, and potential reputational damage to the schools, especially if somehow the nob complaint student cheats his way and then becomes a graduate. We have seen Indian (and Nigerian too unfortunately) "students" who fit the description above. As long as u attend classes and follow through with the rigours of school, there is no problem whatsoever. If you decide to hustle 80 hours AFTER meeting your Scholarly obligations, no foul. But we cannot continue to allow people abuse this system in the scale that it is being abused, and there is a lot of disquiet in the uni community about this recent development, but most people are not bold enough to talk/. Indian (and Nigerian) networks of ppl who help others do their papers and assignments is a real thing and a real risk to the educational system here.
During my first masters degree, I know of three students who graduated without doing A SINGLE PAPER THEMSELVES

These are the issues here
And real risks to the university system in the United Kingdom and Canada because if left unchecked, leads to erosion of value for the education in question. Lastly, I know that there are right wing, racist definitions of "economic migrants" the one that classify Caucasians as expats and non Caucasians as economic migrants, regardless of the circumstances..... It is a wrong definition, a racist definition and has no place among sensible people. White people are very much economic migrants as the rest of us, as long as the conditions that classify you as one is met.

That's why (racist) Whites hate being termed European Americans. because it reminds them of being the same as the others who came as well to fhe USA 🇺🇸

@G.errard59

Had to quote all and I also say yes to the tweet you quoted. I have never seen the sense in the distinction between so-called expats and immigrants. Maybe that was true when corporations sent droves of white folks to man operations across the world, but in today's world where the natives of those countries have improved themselves, the same corporations need them to satisfy the needs of each country. I came across a post on Reddit where some white folks were lamenting how tech companies in Japan insist on the language proficiency even at tech companies - pre-Corona, tech firms were more lenient on language proficiency. Someone replied that other people especially Chinese, Vietnamese and Indians have improved their tech skills and most importantly, speak Japanese. So the narrative that Japanese companies would have to employ only white Westerners who don't know the language is misplaced. These non-white people know Japanese as well, and English too. And that is a major falling I think many white Anglophones are yet to come to with - the English you say you own, many people know it and they are natives. So, what value are you bringing especially if you are a mid-tier career professional? The other day, someone wrote on Bloomberg about how it is tough for "expats" to renew their work visas in Singapore and the lack of career opportunities for entry-level/mid-level professionals in Hong Kong (where Chinese is essential).

The only way I can grasp the expat terminology is where it is almost impossible to attain permanent residency in a country - UAE and Singapore. But in the case of a white person or brown or black has lived for more than ten years, omo, everyone is an immigrant.

As for British and Canadian universities, just as the same across their Anglophone brothers, the only way to mitigate against corrupting the system is to de-commercialise graduate studies education. With the commercialisation of grad programs, anything is permissible. Government have to increase funding for universities via higher tuition fees or higher taxes, close down universities with funny looking names, prioritize citizens who want to study, don't make higher education a core component of the GDP as in Australia. Just as real estate is to live and should not be the ONLY banks of wealth preservation, so should higher education institutions not be made to be over-profit oriented - one of the banes with privatising education regardless of the level.

Gerrard59:

Had to quote all and I also say yes to the tweet you quoted. I have never seen the sense in the distinction between so-called expats and immigrants. Maybe that was true when corporations sent droves of white folks to man operations across the world, but in today's world where the natives of those countries have improved themselves, the same corporations need them to satisfy the needs of each country. I came across a post on Reddit where some white folks were lamenting how tech companies in Japan insist on the language proficiency even at tech companies - pre-Corona, tech firms were more lenient on language proficiency. Someone replied that other people especially Chinese, Vietnamese and Indians have improved their tech skills and most importantly, speak Japanese. So the narrative that Japanese companies would have to employ only white Westerners who don't know the language is misplaced. These non-white people know Japanese as well, and English too. And that is a major falling I think many white Anglophones are yet to come to with - the English you say you own, many people know it and they are natives. So, what value are you bringing especially if you are a mid-tier career professional? The other day, someone wrote on Bloomberg about how it is tough for "expats" to renew their work visas in Singapore and the lack of career opportunities for entry-level/mid-level professionals in Hong Kong (where Chinese is essential).

The only way I can grasp the expat terminology is where it is almost impossible to attain permanent residency in a country - UAE and Singapore. But in the case of a white person or brown or black has lived for more than ten years, omo, everyone is an immigrant.

As for British and Canadian universities, just as the same across their Anglophone brothers, the only way to mitigate against corrupting the system is to de-commercialise graduate studies education. With the commercialisation of grad programs, anything is permissible. Government have to increase funding for universities via higher tuition fees or higher taxes, close down universities with funny looking names, prioritize citizens who want to study, don't make higher education a core component of the GDP as in Australia. Just as real estate is to live and should not be the ONLY banks of wealth preservation, so should higher education institutions not be made to be over-profit oriented - one of the banes with privatising education regardless of the level.

Interesting insights
Thanks for sharing

For new those looking for a new city to settle in Canada, pls cross Brampton off your list.

Thank U.

Ednut1, thanks again for the .

SIRTee15:
Ladies and gentlemen, this not oshodi or Delhi..
This is Calgary, Alberta.

This is what Trudeau turned Canada

If we talk now, some people will call us Uncle Tom.

Calgary has a population under 1.5million which granted is still growing but its still small when compared to major cities around the world. Many cities transport significantly more people with less hassle. London has 8.6m residents, narrow roads but has a public transport system that caters to more people per hour than Calgary probably does in weeks and yet, I've never seen that much people waiting for a single bus in london. Some Asian cities even transport more than the total population of calgary in a day without such queues.

If you have that much need, then there has been underinvestment and the government needs to see this as an opportunity and seek ways to increase capacity (even if just at peak periods). That alone would increase efficiency, create jobs and boost GDP.

Also, this might be another downside of how north-American cities are structured. I've been to Calgary (and just like many NA cities), found it too car centric with much less walk routes, cyling or public transportation infrastructure/interconnectivity. You virtually have to drive everywhere as just a spot across the road could take one over 25mins to walk to. Compared to the UK/Europe, I prefer walking to the highstreet as would most people.

If you stay in Calgary, you need to put pressure on your government to build its public transportation service. BTW, blaming migrants for traffic is not new- I've seen UK politicians do same.

Hello Everyone,
I need clarification. i want to travel from Nigeria to Canada via UK. I have visitors visa for Canada. Do I need a visa to transit through UK to Canada.

Thanks

jedisco:


Calgary has a population under 1.5million which granted is still growing but its still small when compared to major cities around the world. Many cities transport significantly more people with less hassle. London has 8.6m residents, narrow roads but has a public transport system that caters to more people per hour than Calgary probably does in weeks and yet, I've never seen that much people waiting for a single bus in london. Some Asian cities even transport more than the total population of calgary in a day without such queues.

If you have that much need, then there has been underinvestment and the government needs to see this as an opportunity and seek ways to increase capacity (even if just at peak periods). That alone would increase efficiency, create jobs and boost GDP.

Also, this might be another downside of how north-American cities are structured. I've been to Calgary (and just like many NA cities), found it too car centric with much less walk routes, cyling or public transportation infrastructure/interconnectivity. You virtually have to drive everywhere as just a spot across the road could take one over 25mins to walk to. Compared to the UK/Europe, I prefer walking to the highstreet as would most people.

If you stay in Calgary, you need to put pressure on your government to build its public transportation service. BTW, blaming migrants for traffic is not new- I've seen UK politicians do same.

Mr Man, we all know U love digging your head in the sand so not surprised U didn't see the main issue with that video.

What happened to orderliness and queue. Or U don't know such stampede can lead to someone being crushed to death.

Rush hour is not only a problem with Calgary, it's a global problem in all major cities. The issue is mentality of the people waiting for the transport.

Hello everyone. I am a Canadian PR and I plan to travel to go marry my husband and bring him in, I really have no idea how long it will take to have his papers processed so he'd be able to me. Pls what is the typical timeline for a PRs spouse to them? And can I apply for him immediately after the court wedding? Thanks all

Juliusdaughter:
Hello everyone. I am a Canadian PR and I plan to travel to go marry my husband and bring him in, I really have no idea how long it will take to have his papers processed so he'd be able to me. Pls what is the typical timeline for a PRs spouse to them? And can I apply for him immediately after the court wedding? Thanks all

6 to 12 months

Juliusdaughter:
Hello everyone. I am a Canadian PR and I plan to travel to go marry my husband and bring him in, I really have no idea how long it will take to have his papers processed so he'd be able to me. Pls what is the typical timeline for a PRs spouse to them? And can I apply for him immediately after the court wedding? Thanks all

ednut1:
6 to 12 months

Thank you 🙏

sirabbey:

Thank you 🙏
Pls between Winnipeg and Ottawa, which is better to settle down on a budget?

SIRTee15:


Mr Man, we all know U love digging your head in the sand so not surprised U didn't see the main issue with that video.

What happened to orderliness and queue. Or U don't know such stampede can lead to someone being crushed to death.

Rush hour is not only a problem with Calgary, it's a global problem in all major cities. The issue is mentality of the people waiting for the transport.

Hopefully, you refer to the mentality of Calgarians and not a specific tribe or nationality.

Goodmorning All, please do you know any Nigeria community or group in Sarnia-lambton in ontario, Thank you in advance for your response

SIRTee15:


Mr Man, ...

If you have that many people waiting for a bus in extreme temperatures with no crowd control measures, there'd be some degree of disorderlines. Also, most people there are wearing black hoodies, among some exposed faces, the skin coulor isn't what you're hoping for. I'm wondering how you decided on the race (making it easy for you) of people waiting from that video.

Again, if that video makes you sad, write to your MP, department of transport or provisional government. That's a way of effecting change in a progressive society.

BTW, I belive this thread is for Nigerians in Canada to share experiences, help each other and build a community not a congregation for Nigerians (even those not in Canada) who hate Indians to mast**bate on.

What has changed? How come there is so much focus on spreading hate for another moreso than bettering ourselves? We've seen such narratives in Nigeria of people blaming other groups for their problems even to the extent of widespread religious riots- where did that lead us?

I'm not one to gate speech and all thoughts are welcome. But so little has been said of Trumps threats and the direction of the US toward Canada (which if true would have far-reaching consequences for us) - whereas many posts over most recent pages has been about hate towards Indians- even those in countries we have not visited. We are better than this!
We should that in pointing at others, four fingers point back at us.

@jedisco The trump threats has shown that Canada needs to dump all these climate change and environmental ideologies. Build more pipelines to the east , west and the arctic (the liberals have been blocking this) .I saw a post on Twitter about a bill essentially regulating the promotion of fossil fuels . I thought it was a joke till i went to check the bill o.

Now that trump has removed EV mandate and said they will drill oil. Its time for Canada to abandon all these woke policies o.

Trudeau also said there will be subsidies for businesses affected by the tarrifs despite having a 60b CAD budget deficit. I weak

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-372/first-reading

ednut1:
@jedi.sco The trump threats has shown that Canada needs to dump all these climate change and environmental ideologies. Build more pipelines to the east , west and the arctic (the liberals have been blocking this) .I saw a post on Twitter about a bill essentially banning the ment/promotion of fossil fuels . I thought it was a joke till i went to check the bill o. Now that trump has removed EV mandate and said they will drill oil. Its time for Canada to abandon all these woke policies o. Trudeau also said there will be subsidies for businesses affected by the tarrifs despite having a 60b CAD budget deficit. I weakhttps://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-372/first-reading

So-called liberal politicians are the same everywhere, and I have no sympathy for the ignorant and most times arrogant citizens who them. How does banning fossil fuel ads reduce the effects of greenhouse gases? Since all countries are in the same earth, how does it reduce the emissions emitted by Indonesia and India?

These are the countries some say will and can compete with China?

ednut1:
@jedisco The trump threats has shown that Canada needs to dump all these climate change and environmental ideologies. Build more pipelines to the east , west and the arctic (the liberals have been blocking this) .I saw a post on Twitter about a bill essentially regulating the promotion of fossil fuels . I thought it was a joke till i went to check the bill o.

Now that trump has removed EV mandate and said they will drill oil. Its time for Canada to abandon all these woke policies o.

Trudeau also said there will be subsidies for businesses affected by the tarrifs despite having a 60b CAD budget deficit. I weak

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-372/first-reading

Trump is calling green policies into question. But already, America under Biden were drilling loads, lots of licences were offered and America was the largest crude producer. I believe larger games and lots of signalling are at play cos if the Americans drill too much and supress prices, opec would respond by flooding the market to suppress prices even further. Regarding Canada, I believe Biden stopped Canada’s plea to build a pipeline through the U.S. but then, I cant see why Canada shouldn't exploit their resorces in a reasonable manner moreso considering all the people they take in.

Green policies mainly affect African nations who run to the west seeking loans to extract their own resources. International lenders have of late been hesitant mainly down to push by the EU. That leaves us in a sad situation as as every developed nation today became industralised on the back of cheap energy.

I believe EVs are here to stay and with time should be much cheaper and modern to run. For the reasonable future, they should run along ICE vehicles for the reasonable future. I drive one in the UK, but on visiting Canada, it became clear to me that EVs are not as well suited for NA - longer drives, more extreme weather