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iamoyindamola:
Ialso hope zinchenko should start chopping bench, as for white
When timber recovers he can also fvck off

I agree...or make we use him as 3rd choice.



As for that mafia leader, the jury is still out on him.

iamoyindamola:

That zinchenko was terrible yesterday from his useless short es to not been able to track down kudus for the second goal
I was expecting tomi to start ahead of him yesterday
Everyone know how i don't rate kiwi on bit

That guy is beginning to feel he's so key to our best football and that should not be happening. The demands of our FBs are not enough for their primary duty. It irks me when Gabi or Saliba are covering for both and leaving that hole in the centre for a sharp 9 or 10 to use against us. That's where i love Tomi's game. Guy will be up front and all of a sudden, he's on clearances mode in seconds. White go dey stroll back like say he be winger. Sometimes, Saka go am go defend🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

He needs competition. Make he sef siddon like Ramsdale abeg.

mostob:
That White's own goal is actually comical sha.... what a wonderful header!

The guy come from farrr end to come nod in. Smh.🤣


I see Liverpool winning this Carabao anyway.

daveP:
The fact that this is our 2nd loss overall and first in our English domain is what should make you understand why we dey para.

By January, we expect at least 5 exits. Will they be replaced or na excuse go follow them till we finish 3rd or whatever? Against a team like WestHam, you dey rely on Jorg? And we also should not forget how Moyes is one of the managers that tweak tactics in-game in EPL. Woh. If rubbish is getting favoured, then anyone can use barest minimum in an argument against it. Simple.

It is the way we lost that is even more painful. I that famous match against United. That was one of De Gea's best performances. We have outplayed them but De Gea stood in the way.



Yesterday, even at 2 goal down, na so so useless ing. No bite... nothing.


Made me Stoke that year...we were defending our 2-goal lead...na so they brought in Crouch...Shaqiri and Delap started doing what they know how to do best. We later lost that match 3-2.


I don tire for this team ahswear

daveP:
The guy come from farrr end to come nod in. Smh.


I see Liverpool winning this Carabao anyway.

I think the goal shouldn't have stood sha. Ramsdale was clearly impeded.




I don't care who won Carabao...get me the EPL at least. More than 3 years trusting the process but these guys still dey play like primary school kid.

mostob:
I think the goal shouldn't have stood sha. Ramsdale was clearly impeded.




I don't care who won Carabao...get me the EPL at least. More than 3 years trusting the process but these guys still dey play like primary school kid.

At the heart of it is some level of complacency on the part of coaching staff. They sha better utilize the window in January. We all want fit ballers. But we should anticipate worst case scenarios as much as the peak of our calibre so we don't get caught unawares like last season.

daveP:



That guy is beginning to feel he's so key to our best football and that should not be happening. The demands of our FBs are not enough for their primary duty. It irks me when Gabi or Saliba are covering for both and leaving that hole in the centre for a sharp 9 or 10 to use against us. That's where i love Tomi's game. Guy will be up front and all of a sudden, he's on clearances mode in seconds. White go dey stroll back like say he be winger. Sometimes, Saka go am go defend🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

He needs competition. Make he sef siddon like Ramsdale abeg.

I hope arteta is seeing them and won't be biased as usual

mostob:
I agree...or make we use him as 3rd choice.



As for that mafia leader, the jury is still out on him.

daveP:



At the heart of it is some level of complacency on the part of coaching staff. They sha better utilize the window in January. We all want fit ballers. But we should anticipate worst case scenarios as much as the peak of our calibre so we don't get caught unawares like last season.

This one our Airpod coach is moving to Ajax...fingers crossed.




Make January come asap. We need a striker and a midfielder. Jesus and Partey be competing in who does the 'unavailable' challenge better.

mostob:
It is the way we lost that is even more painful. I that famous match against United. That was one of De Gea's best performances. We have outplayed them but De Gea stood in the way.



Yesterday, even at 2 goal down, na so so useless ing. No bite... nothing.


Made me Stoke that year...we were defending our 2-goal lead...na so they brought in Crouch...Shaqiri and Delap started doing what they know how to do best. We later lost that match 3-2.


I don tire for this team ahswear

Exactly i don't like the manner we are losing games
The ucl and this one, we surrendered to the opponents with little or no fight

iamoyindamola:

Exactly i don't like the manner we are losing games
The ucl and this one, we surrendered to the opponents with little or no fight

Even that Chelsea match, we don give up until Sanchez did giveaway and we woke up.

mostob:
Fact is if I had not mentioned Havertz in my post, you wouldn't have disputed. I still put it to you that during the weekend, none of those players actually did something exceptional. Go and search the player ratings from different sites. Aside that 6 yard assist, ESR did nothing exceptional. We played against a poor Sheffield team so their lapses wouldn't show.



You said Havertz was given an unmerited starting shirt, who do you think would have started in his place? We just pack Otus as backups but na Havertz we dey bash.



Infact make Arsenal sell or loan Havertz by January. That's when most will realize the players we all vouch to start ahead of him are flops.



I lost count of how many times Vieira should have cross or even shoot yesterday but he rather ed back. Nelson can't even get past his marker.

Wetin be this?

We've seen ESR in Arsenal shirt play that Havertz role and he didn't flop.

I don't understand what Havertz has played in both Chelsea and Arsenal that makes u stan him the way u are doing to the extent of disrespecting our own players. I understand most of our players were off yesterday, but havertz himself didn't do anything spectacular to better our lot.

I can stand here and boldly tell u that If Havertz leaves Arsenal today we won't miss him one bit going by his performance in an Arsenal shirt till date.

BlueRayDick:


Wetin be this?

We've seen ESR in Arsenal shirt play that Havertz role and he didn't flop.

I don't understand what Havertz has played in both Chelsea and Arsenal that makes u stan him the way u are doing to the extent of disrespecting our own players. I understand most of our players were off yesterday, but havertz himself didn't do anything spectacular to better our lot.

I can stand here and boldly tell u that If Havertz leaves Arsenal today we won't miss him one bit going by his performance in an Arsenal shirt till date.

First of all, this is not Havert's stanning post. Don't misquote me please. As for ESR, I'm talking about this season. Even at that, ESR's best performances have come either as a lone 10 or from the wing.



And I never said we will miss Havertz. My point is that those we're banking on to even start ahead of Havertz are not justifying their selection. ESR is like the 3rd choice right now, that should tell you he is not the same ESR you're talking about here.


Though, opinion differs. Some might actually be satisfied with the subpar performance these guys are dishing out sha

mostob:
Fact is if I had not mentioned Havertz in my post, you wouldn't have disputed. I still put it to you that during the weekend, none of those players actually did something exceptional. Go and search the player ratings from different sites. Aside that 6 yard assist, ESR did nothing exceptional. We played against a poor Sheffield team so their lapses wouldn't show.



You said Havertz was given an unmerited starting shirt, who do you think would have started in his place? We just pack Otus as backups but na Havertz we dey bash.



Infact make Arsenal sell or loan Havertz by January. That's when most will realize the players we all vouch to start ahead of him are flops.



I lost count of how many times Vieira should have cross or even shoot yesterday but he rather ed back. Nelson can't even get past his marker.

Bro if kai kai get lengthly injury i go do giveaway
That is how much i don't like that guy, i am sure 90% of our fans feel that way too
We are just managing him

mostob:
First of all, this is not Havert's stanning post. Don't misquote me please. As for ESR, I'm talking about this season. Even at that, ESR's best performances have come either as a lone 10 or from the wing.



And I never said we will miss Havertz. My point is that those we're banking on to even start ahead of Havertz are not justifying their selection. ESR is like the 3rd choice right now, that should tell you he is not the same ESR you're talking about here.


Though, opinion differs. Some might actually be satisfied with the subpar performance these guys are dishing out sha

But I didn't edit ur original post na; I quoted exactly what u typed. The post is still there for everyone to see.

You practically said the players we are hoping to start ahead of Havertz are frauds but I disagree with you totally. I pointed it out to you that Smith-Rowe has played the position before now and he's not a fraud. Smith-Rowe has rarely seen starting shirt this season which is majorly due to the coach's decision.

Havertz has seen much more playing time , yet he has not convinced both the fans and even club legends he's the player Arteta thought he signed.

I repeat again: If Havertz leaves January none of us will miss him.

That was how some people were saying Lacazette was this and that.... we will miss him blahh blahh....blahh. He left and the team moved on. That was how swissh was telling us Pepe will come out good after flopping consistently; we ditched him and the club moved on.

If a player gets playing time and consistently delivers subpar performance, I don't it's wrong for the fans to question his continuous inclusion in the team. Havertz has not impressed anybody thus far and he rightly deserves the criticism he's getting.

toluxe0075:


Omo, which kind talk be this. After coming up with ridiculous “off the ball” excuse for Harvertz, here you are again with a new role for Jorginho.

You are coming up with this “transit es around the 3 defense” excuse because he performs woefully at the simple responsibilities expected of a dm. Even with the transition es talk, Jorginho still average at it sef.

Besides, if he can’t transit es around the defense to the attack, why then is he playing at all. This is expected of all dms. Partey does this and provides more defensively and attack wise just like many other dms do.

Even your statement that someone is “stuck in the 90s football” makes your defense of Jorginho more ridiculous because he doesn’t even know how to carry out the minimum responsibilities expected of a dm talk less of taking up more responsibilities expected of modern day dm.

Besides, why should we keep playing Jorginho or have players like him if they will keep being average at the responsibilities expected of them. Why should we go into games with them hoping for a miracle to happen for them to perform.

We benefited immensely from Partey’s presence in our games because he gives more just as Rodri does for Man city. So all these “new roles” and excuse for Jorginho and the likes don’t cut it.

You didn't get my point. I was comparing Partey and Jorginho in their styles of play and not saying Jorginho is better.

BlueRayDick:


Well, his best is not good enough for a team that sets sight to win at least one major trophy in a season.

In a tight football match those who play football know that there will come a time in the match when u just need one player to take the initiative and turn the tide of the game. Anytime the ball gets to Jorginho, and he just decides to either lay a safe to one of the back 4 or when he gets caught up and he has to put his body on the line to win an unnecessary foul; I just shake my head.

I have played with such players before and I know how frustrating it can be especially for the attackers. They will be left flat footed and just be running around waiting for that incisive that will never come.

Jorginho was once the third best player in the world. I think he is not being put to use properly in a way that matches and utilizes his style

mostob:
You are right and wrong at the same time. Yea, both Partey and Jorginho differs. Partey do drop at the CB too. The difference is that Partey like to hold the middle. You won't find him at the wing or ahead of the middle circle during buildup. Jorginho likes to roam to create fluidity which exactly is his main issue. He is not always there whenever you need him.


Partey would still stay and secure the box during counter attack but Jorginho will approach the ball carrier instead. That's the difference between the two.

So how am I wrong now? You just butressed my point.

BlueRayDick:


But I didn't edit ur original post na; I quoted exactly what u typed. The post is still there for everyone to see.

You practically said the players we are hoping to start ahead of Havertz are frauds but I disagree with you totally. I pointed it out to you that Smith-Rowe has played the position before now and he's not a fraud. Smith-Rowe has rarely seen starting shirt this season which is majorly due to the coach's decision.

Havertz has seen much more playing time , yet he has not convinced both the fans and even club legends he's the player Arteta thought he signed.

I repeat again: If Havertz leaves January none of us will miss him.

That was how some people were saying Lacazette was this and that.... we will miss him blahh blahh....blahh. He left and the team moved on. That was how swissh was telling us Pepe will come out good after flopping consistently; we ditched him and the club moved on.

If a player gets playing time and consistently delivers subpar performance, I don't it's wrong for the fans to question his continuous inclusion in the team. Havertz has not impressed anybody thus far and he rightly deserves the criticism he's getting.

When you 'misquote' , you misunderstood.



If only you know how much I want Havertz benched too. Because he has been frustrating. The only positive I can draw from his performance is his height as that give us an option in case we want to go 'cross and nod'.


ESR not getting game time has a lot to do with his unavailability. Havertz was getting the nod from the start of the season but there were moment of brilliance from Vieira anytime both were substituted for each other. Saka got the big chance from his cameo appearances in Europa. The little chance ESR has gotten this season, what has he done with it? Now, he is out injured which is quite frustrating.



My issue is not with Havertz but those competing with him. One of them ought to have grabbed the starting shirt from Havertz. I must it Vieira has shown some brilliance but we all know he is quite fragile and may get outmuscled.


Mind you, Partey sef follow for this talk not only ESR.

iamoyindamola:

Bro if kai kai get lengthly injury i go do giveaway
That is how much i don't like that guy, i am sure 90% of our fans feel that way too
We are just managing him

Injury o, Sell o...loan o. That one no concern me. My issue is those who are expected to bench him directly or indirectly are not turning up.


Partey is injured



ESR is not showing any sign of improvement



Vieira dey try but he is not reliable against physical opposition.

Spy360:

So how am I wrong now? You just butressed my point.

No.... Read what I quoted bro. What you listed as the differences between both are contradictory.

mostob:
When you 'misquote' , you misunderstood.



If only you know how much I want Havertz benched too. Because he has been frustrating. The only positive I can draw from his performance is his height as that give us an option in case we want to go 'cross and nod'.


ESR not getting game time has a lot to do with his unavailability. Havertz was getting the nod from the start of the season but there were moment of brilliance from Vieira anytime both were substituted for each other. Saka got the big chance from his cameo appearances in Europa. [b]The little chance ESR has gotten this season, what has he done with it? [/b]Now, he is out injured which is quite frustrating.



My issue is not with Havertz but those competing with him. One of them ought to have grabbed the starting shirt from Havertz. I must it Vieira has shown some brilliance but we all know he is quite fragile and may get outmuscled.


Mind you, Partey sef follow for this talk not only ESR.

Since u want to go down this route, oya mention those little chances ESR has had this season and let's compare it with Havertz's one by one

BlueRayDick:


Since u want to go down this route, oya mention those little chances ESR has had this season and let's compare it with Havertz's one by one

What are you saying bro? Nobody is debating Havertz vs ESR here.



Against Sheffield, he was given the starting shirt but couldn't do nada.



His cameo against Chelsea? What were his impacts?


20 minutes against Chelsea


70 minutes against Sheffield



The other two games...I don't think he played up to 10 minutes combined which are not enough to judge him TBH

mostob:
What are you saying bro? Nobody is debating Havertz vs ESR here.



Against Sheffield, he was given the starting shirt but couldn't do nada.



His cameo against Chelsea? What were his impacts?

Pix 1- Arsenal vs Chelea player ratings

Pix 2- Arsenal vs Sheffield player ratings

The facts are there for u to see urself .

Now imagine if Smith-Rowe gets the aging time he got in the past

Spy360:

You didn't get my point. I was comparing Partey and Jorginho in their styles of play and not saying Jorginho is better.

Oh! All right.

BlueRayDick:


Pix 1- Arsenal vs Chelea player ratings

Pix 2- Arsenal vs Sheffield player ratings

The facts are there for u to see urself .

Now imagine if Smith-Rowe gets the aging time he got in the past

Bro there is actually no difference here. Most sites gave both the same ratings...I expected him to be better than this. Although, my point was about the subpar performance of the reserves generally. I even mentioned Nelson, Kiwior, Jorginho and Vieira.


Now that he is getting minutes, injury struck again. As it stands now, we are stucked with Havertz.

mostob:


1. Fact is if I had not mentioned Havertz in my post, you wouldn't have disputed. I still put it to you that during the weekend, none of those players actually did something exceptional. Go and search the player ratings from different sites. Aside that 6 yard assist, ESR did nothing exceptional. We played against a poor Sheffield team so their lapses wouldn't show.



2.You said Havertz was given an unmerited starting shirt, who do you think would have started in his place? We just pack Otus as backups but na Havertz we dey bash.


Infact make Arsenal sell or loan Havertz by January. That's when most will realize the players we all vouch to start ahead of him are flops.



3. I lost count of how many times Vieira should have cross or even shoot yesterday but he rather ed back. Nelson can't even get past his marker.

1. Naahhh, I wasn't even triggered by any Havertz talk when I first quoted you. It was strictly because of ESR and that was why I bolded that post. I was impressed with what I saw from ESR with his drives and forward es compared to what Havertz gave. But then everyone sees differently I guess

2. If Havertz goes to injury, we have plethora of options to fill that slot and we'll never Havertz plays for us.
Rice can play there with Partey Dm. ESR can play there with either Rice/Partey Dm, Trossard can also play there too. I no too gbadu Viera cos he needs to bulk up to really influence game. He's too light weight for my liking.
So No, we aren't packed with Otus in that place as replacements

3. Nelson and Viera are mostly bench players. The expectations from them would not reach the expectation one would expect from a starter.
Like I said, the day Nelson and Viera continue to be starters that's when their bashing will be loud compared to how is it now if they continue dropping underwhelming performances.
At least you were a witness to the day Viera was bashed against Southampton last season

Jodera:

1. Naahhh, I wasn't even triggered by any Havertz talk when I first quoted you. It was strictly because of ESR and that was why I bolded that post. I was impressed with what I saw from ESR with his drives and forward es compared to what Havertz gave. But then everyone sees differently I guess

2. If Havertz goes to injury, we have plethora of options to fill that slot and we'll never Havertz plays for us.
Rice can play there with Partey Dm. ESR can play there with either Rice/Partey Dm, Trossard can also play there too. I no too gbadu Viera cos he needs to bulk up to really influence game. He's too light weight for my liking.
So No, we aren't packed with Otus in that place as replacements

3. Nelson and Viera are mostly bench players. The expectations from them would not reach the expectation one would expect from a starter.
Like I said, the day Nelson and Viera continue to be starters that's when their bashing will be loud compared to how is it now if they continue dropping underwhelming performances.
At least you were a witness to the day Viera was bashed against Southampton last season

Your points are well understood. The rubbish they played yesterday was annoying. I mean, they should at least show us they can rise to the occasion when the need arises.



Partey is injured... ESR is injured (minor probably). With what ESR showed us 2 seasons ago, he should be starting not sitting on the bench.



As for that Sheffield match, according to several sites who rated the players, both of them kept things 'simple and basic'. That to me is never enough.

Kai kai.

This Kai dey use jazz abeg.


What is his overall impact with the almost 700minutes he's played this season?

Mention one match he was really outstanding that even opponents acknowledge.

Back to back games that he gave top performance


In games he didn't play/was benched, did the team miss his impact for a player of such price?

He's not going to be the 1st or the last. Infact I'll choose a Pepe over him as bad as that guy was before he left.


Na that UCL final goal dey help him. Did you guys see the joy among Chelsea fans as Arteta bought him over?


They still feel that joy. Infact they weren't happy about Jorg switching. But they were for Kai.


Till further notice, I'm yet to be convinced on why he deserves a spot in the XI. Perhaps Rice and Odegaard play so so well we overlook his Ghost Mode.

mostob:
No.... Read what I quoted bro. What you listed as the differences between both are contradictory.

So na your own difference correct? Ok. I agree.

mostob:
Your points are well understood. The rubbish they played yesterday was annoying. I mean, they should at least show us they can rise to the occasion when the need arises.



Partey is injured... ESR is injured (minor probably). With what ESR showed us 2 seasons ago, he should be starting not sitting on the bench.



As for that Sheffield match, according to several sites who rated the players, both of them kept things 'simple and basic'. That to me is never enough.

Well, I can't judge ESR now especially knowing who he is.
, ESR have been fit since the start of the season but he wasn't just favoured yet.
If he'd been given the chances Viera and Havertz have been given from last season, I believe he would have been a starter by now.

ESR isn't injury prone, hope you know that.


As for that match ystdy, most of the players are players I no dey really feel.

Aside Trossard (who mostly come from bench), the rest no deh feel me with confidence.

The Nelson, Kiwi, Havertz, Jorginho, Viera no deh ever feel me with confidence. Na reason I just no bother watch the match one bit as I see them come see West ham lineup.

daveP:
Kai kai.

This Kai dey use jazz abeg.


What is his overall impact with the almost 700minutes he's played this season?

Mention one match he was really outstanding that even opponents acknowledge.

Back to back games that he gave top performance


In games he didn't play/was benched, did the team miss his impact for a player of such price?

He's not going to be the 1st or the last. Infact I'll choose a Pepe over him as bad as that guy was before he left.


Na that UCL final goal dey help him. Did you guys see the joy among Chelsea fans as Arteta bought him over?


They still feel that joy. Infact they weren't happy about Jorg switching. But they were for Kai.


Till further notice, I'm yet to be convinced on why he deserves a spot in the XI. Perhaps Rice and Odegaard play so so well we overlook his Ghost Mode.

Me I don talk am tey tey say that guy dey use jazz no be today.

How can someone have such a horrendous performance for 3 years in a top club, yet another top club bought him with big money and still make him one of the highest earners in the team. On what basis?

The only person wey don frustrate me like Kai kai na Giroud. Even Pepe no frustrate me reach like this.


Well, like Ramsey did, I hope he change the perception about him

To write epistle no deh hungry me like before.

ESR we all agreed last season would be a better replacement for Xhaka... issokay.

Seamless flowing football kicks in immediately Havertz was removed twice in a must win match is the one we gonna miss if he's excuse away from this squad... issokay.

Midfield of Advertz, Freestyle Joggernaut & Legelege shielding Zinolizky and Kiwi polish and u are expecting a miracle... If we request for players rotation is it heavy rotation that would be damaging to the squad?

Nelli, Saka and Ode ing around is very much expected... how would a sane coach brings in his firepower when the battle has been settled already, is that not a coward move?

From a fan in justarsenal forum who said and I quote "with due respect and thanks to Arteta for his assembled squad we need to get a serious coach that can get us trophies" the quoted sound too mean but if we look deeply Arteta is trying so hard to proof that soft quoted saying to be true.