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My opinion on the PEPT judgement:

Twitter: @farooqkperogi

I finally got a chance to read the verdict of the Presidential Elections Petitions Tribunal. Being completely emotionally uninvested in the outcome of the last presidential election (because on the issues that really matter such as subsidies for the poor Bola Tinubu, Atiku Abubakar, and Peter Obi are indistinguishable), most of the tribunal’s judgment was unsurprising.

Because the conduct of elections in Nigeria are typically shambolic and inept, as with everything else in the country, I think it’s valid to question the credibility of electoral outcomes. It’s equally legitimate to suspect the independence of the judges who hand out verdicts, including the current one, more so that the first certified true copies of the judgment that circulated in the public sphere had a header that read “Tinubu Presidential Legal Team.”

In any case, in an August 29, 2020, column titled “Aso Rock Cabal’s Judicial Cabal on Election Petitions,” I exposed confidential information that a high court judge shared with me about the sodding moral hideousness of electoral tribunal judgements. The judge said there was a cabal of judicial bandits in Buhari’s Aso Rock who wrote election tribunal judgements.

“The actual writing of the judgments is usually done by a consortium of justices and legal practitioners,” I wrote. “This subversion of justice by a conclave is a low-risk-high-reward undertaking. of the judicial cabal are routinely compensated with promotion and financial reward.” So, it isn’t far-fetched to accuse judges of the PEPT of wheeler dealing.

Nonetheless, no neutral, independent-minded person would fail to see that Atiku Abubakar and Peter Obi had really weak cases. If a judicial cabal wrote the PEPT judgement, Atiku and Obi made the job easy for the cabal.

The centerpiece of the electoral petitions against Tinubu’s victory was that Tinubu should be disqualified from running for the last presidential election because of a whole bunch of things they alleged against him, most of which revolved around questions of his irrefutable moral turpitude. Unfortunately, immorality isn't always illegality.

The petitions were high on emotions, conjectures, moral posturing, grandstanding, logical absurdities (such as insisting that candidates must win 25 percent of the FCT to win a presidential election thereby making Abuja more important than every part of Nigeria, that Tinubu should be disqualified for a voluntary civil forfeiture of drug money in the US more than three decades ago, that Tinubu should be disqualified because of false and ignorant claims that he didn't graduate from Chicago State University, or for perjuries he committed more than 20 years ago, etc.) than on legally sound, substantive arguments about the election itself.

They didn't present foolproof, unimpeachable evidentiary facts, like Atiku did in 2019, to show that their actual votes were higher than INEC gave them—and thereby higher than Tinubu’s actual votes. Wishful thinking, online bullying, tendentious s of events, and coarse, primitive, illiterate invective against people who have different opinions are not substitutes for substance. Neither are mass delusion and blind political cultism guarantees of electoral victory.

The evidence for electoral irregularities they presented to the tribunal were, for the most part, inept, tangential, weak, and easily disputable. Plus, they are also guilty of these irregularities in their own areas of popularity. It isn't enough to allege; you should prove your allegations beyond all shadows of doubt, beyond merely providing libidinal raw materials for the wet dreams of your worshipful ers.

You don't need to be a lawyer to know that the petitions had not a snowball's chance in hell of upending Tinubu’s victory. Only self-indulgent, illusory hope would dispose people to expect to get anything out of the petitions.

Obi’s wildly Trumpian dissimulation is the most mystifying for me. It beats me how, with a narrow electoral focus, he thought he won a "mandate" that was "stolen" and how he could somehow have been declared the winner of an election in which he finished third without first asking the tribunal to invalidate the votes of the second-place finisher. By what logic would the tribunal have declared Obi the winner without first nullifying Atiku’s votes, which Obi didn't ask for in his petition?

In other words, the petitions weren't as much about the vote as they were about who Tinubu was and wasn't (most of which made more moral than legal sense) and why Tinubu should be disqualified, and a rerun ordered that would exclude Tinubu. That doesn’t strike me as a serious challenge.

The petitions are predictably heading to the Supreme Court where they will get a final legal burial. But I am glad that the appeals will help get us legal closure on two thorny issues once and for all: the electoral worth of the Federal Capital Territory and the intent of the framers of the 1999 constitution when they barred dual citizens from running for elective positions.

It’s apparent to anyone with even a basic understanding of the English language that the constitution merely regards the FCT as equivalent to a state for the purpose of determining the geographic spread of votes cast during a presidential election. It would be absurd for the constitution to confer supernumerary electoral value to the votes of the residents of the FCT by requiring that winning 25% of votes there is a precondition to be declared president.

It makes neither logical, linguistic, nor political sense to isolate a small part of a whole and arbitrarily elevate its electoral value above others. The verdict of the Supreme Court will bury this nonsense forever.

The tribunal’s ruling on the challenge to Tinubu’s alleged dual citizenship is its worst, and I hope the Supreme Court will give us clarity on it. Sometime last year, I had an imioned dialogic exchange about dual citizenship with a newspaper editor who has a law degree. It was from him I first became aware that I had been misinformed about the issue.

Full disclosure: I am a dual citizen of Nigeria and the United States. I thought I could never run for an elective office in Nigeria, but wondered why former Senate President Ahmed Lawan, former House of Representatives Speaker Femi Gbajabiamila, former Senate President Bukola Saraki, and several others who are dual citizens held elective offices. Well, it has turned out that there are preexisting court judgments that basically say dual citizenship is disqualifying only if Nigerian citizenship is acquired through naturalization.

In a 2004 case between Dr. Willie Ogebide and Mr. Arigbe Osula, for example, Justice Walter Onnoghen held that “… it is clear and I, hereby, hold that the acquisition of dual citizenship by a Nigerian per se is not a ground for disqualification for election… particularly where the Nigerian citizen is a citizen by birth. That is the clear meaning of the provisions in sections 66(1) and 28 of the 1999 constitution when taken together.

“The only Nigerian citizen disqualified by the said sections is one who is a citizen of Nigeria by either registration or naturalization, who subsequently acquires the citizenship of another country in addition to his Nigerian citizenship…” Similarly, in 2022, Justice Oghohorie ruled that the dual citizenship of Cross River State deputy governor Peter Odey didn’t invalidate his eligibility to run for office because his Nigerian citizenship was acquired at birth.

However, in spite of these precedents, the Federal High Court in Port Harcourt invalidated the candidature of Rivers State APC governorship candidate Tonye Cole on of dual citizenship. Our courts obviously have no respect for precedents, but I hope the ruling of the Supreme Court on the matter will establish once and for all whether people who were born Nigerian but acquired another citizenship later in life are disqualified from running for elective offices.

Of course, it would also be reassuring if the Supreme Court grants legal protection to the technological safeguards that INEC spent billions to acquire in order to assure voters that it would run a credible poll but whose use the tribunal said was optional and discretionary.

https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2023/09/pepts-verdict-and-task-before-supreme.html

Of course Farooq can only continue to grandstand deceiving himself and his gullible followers that all the issues raised @ the PEPT are non-issues. He fully knows that all of them will be serious issues of multiple litigations in his adopted country of the United States that have strong institutions.

We can continue to downplay and rationalise all manners of illegalities and unconstitutionality because we have primordial ethno-religio-regional supremacist sentiments or to be politically correct.

“The only Nigerian citizen disqualified by the said sections is one who is a citizen of Nigeria by either registration or naturalization, who subsequently acquires the citizenship of another country in addition to his Nigerian citizenship…” 

Because the conduct of elections in Nigeria are typically shambolic and inept, as with everything else in the country, I think it’s valid to question the credibility of electoral outcomes. It’s equally legitimate to suspect the independence of the judges who hand out verdicts, including the current one, more so that the first certified true copies of the judgment that circulated in the public sphere had a header that read “Tinubu Presidential Legal Team.”

”I exposed confidential information that a high court judge shared with me about the sodding moral hideousness of electoral tribunal judgements. The judge said there was a cabal of judicial bandits in Buhari’s Aso Rock who wrote election tribunal judgements.

“The actual writing of the judgments is usually done by a consortium of justices and legal practitioners,” I wrote. “This subversion of justice by a conclave is a low-risk-high-reward undertaking. of the judicial cabal are routinely compensated with promotion and financial reward.” So, it isn’t far-fetched to accuse judges of the PEPT of wheeler dealing.

mFarooq has collected corn

The petitions were high on emotions, conjectures, moral posturing, grandstanding, logical absurdities (such as insisting that candidates must win 25 percent of the FCT to win a presidential election thereby making Abuja more important than every part of Nigeria, that Tinubu should be disqualified for a voluntary civil forfeiture of drug money in the US more than three decades ago, that Tinubu should be disqualified because of false and ignorant claims that he didn't graduate from Chicago State University, or for perjuries he committed more than 20 years ago, etc.) than on legally sound, substantive arguments about the election itself.

They didn't present foolproof, unimpeachable evidentiary facts, like Atiku did in 2019, to show that their actual votes were higher than INEC gave them—and thereby higher than Tinubu’s actual votes. Wishful thinking, online bullying, tendentious s of events, and coarse, primitive, illiterate invective against people who have different opinions are not substitutes for substance. Neither are mass delusion and blind political cultism guarantees of electoral victory.

Since the OP refused to highlight the part above as usual of ers of the Gbajue candidate to always present the false narrative, I’ve taken it upon myself to help him do so. The part in bold is the most important part of the article.

Peter Obi lied to Nigerians that he won the election and will prove it in court. Instead of proving how he won the election, he went to court to get Tinubu disqualified on flimsy grounds. He presented no single evidence of how he won the election. That’s the typical characteristic of a liar and fraudster. He has been exposed for who he truly is, Gbaju e!

The judge said there was a cabal of judicial bandits in Buhari’s Aso Rock who wrote election tribunal judgements.


uzodinma's case comes to mind.

slivertongue:
The judge said there was a cabal of judicial bandits in Buhari’s Aso Rock who wrote election tribunal judgements.
uzodinma's case comes to mind.

Very convenient for Uzodinma’s case to come to mind but not David Lyon and Zamfara APC cases.

Ok…

By the way, Atiku’s legal team is barking up the wrong tree.

No one’s asking for documents Tinubu used for ission to Richard Daley College. Someone whose primary or secondary school details in Nigeria remains a big mystery.

Someone who mentioned all his classmates died in the Biafra war.

I don’t see much coming out of this Chicago State University hullabaloo. No point in getting excited over nothing.

Nigerians prepare yourselves for the Tinubu regime. Sorry, that’s the bitter truth.

Anyways, time will tell.

The petitioners case was made weak because the election umpire cunningly denied to provide sufficient documents for them to prove their case. They could only bank on disqualification of BAT and INEC Guidelines.
So in their final addresses they dwelled on peripherals rather that the election itself.

OkCornel:
Ok…

By the way, Atiku’s legal team is barking up the wrong tree.

No one’s asking for documents Tinubu used for ission to Richard Daley College. Someone whose primary or secondary school details in Nigeria remains a big mystery.

Someone who mentioned all his classmates died in the Biafra war.

I don’t see much coming out of this Chicago State University hullabaloo. No point in getting excited over nothing.

Nigerians prepare yourselves for the Tinubu regime. Sorry, that’s the bitter truth.

Anyways, time will tell.

I can't speak to whether Mr Tinubu attended primary or secondary school.

But you might wish to know that there are established pathways to college issions in the UK and the US that doesn't require any previous (primary or secondary qualification or even attendance).

So, I really don't see how Mr Tinubu's case should be different.

What is important is that he claimed to attend a college and a University in the US. If ongoing investigations confirm he did, that should be the end of the line of enquiry about his educational qualification.

If someone graduates with first class, or even third class, why o why should I be interested in the primary school he attended.

Infact in the UK, when applying for a job as a graduate, you mostly don't put details of your primary or secondary school in your CV unless there is a particular attribute relating to those early years that you want to bring out in your CV.

Once you graduate, most employers are simply not interested in the primary school you attended.

The fixation of many Nigerians on irrelevant issues is baffling.

Since I left the shores of Nigeria, one of my saving Grace was I destroyed my Nigerian foisted religious sentiments. I see things the way it should, and this has helped me build a a gigantic homegrown Super Company that stretches from Africa to Europe. A lot of whites are surprised because they thought the business is owned by a white, alas, it's owned part & parcel by a black.

Why this digression?
Religion and tribalism is destroying Nigeria. That is the honest truth. And I find it really disgusting that these tribal and religious bigots can not all unite and have a country of their own!

Farooq Kperogi as a US based Prof is a disgrace! The US he claims to be a citizen is currently searching for clues to indict their president, who obviously has no drug past, no criminal past nor something worthy of an indictment. Why? Because State institutions work! Every leader or person in position of authority is held to the highest quality, and stuffs done years ago is deemed reason enough to send the person packing. Here, this Prof Farooq Kperogi down plays the drug criminal records of Asiwaju! Tufiakwaaaa this kind of people! Instead my religion would make me choose a deadbeat, old grandpa who at best should be at the homes for the elderly who sadly had a drug past, I would rather toss that religion away!

Trump, he mentioned. Wonders shall never end! Same Farooq Kperogi was all over with his stupid write up of all Trump should turn over all his tax records both those mandatory and those voluntary. But it got to that of his Fellow Muslim; Tinubu, he has gone mute. If hypocrisy is a person, from a country, I tell you it's gonna be a Nigerian with a religious and tribal mindset like Farooq Kperogi!


Is Farooq Kperogi aware that CSU has alerted honorable judge Gilbert that they can not authentic the certificate paraded by Asiwaju? Who goes a school, paid his fees, the courses and graduate, yet the school refused officially to authenticate the result purportedly issued by same school!

To be a er of Asiwaju, you be high of tribalism, religious patronage, Agberoism and perhaps something more bodily dangerous; drugs!

Never underestimate the threat pose by religious and tribal bigots, and possibly substance abs. It's worse than economic recession. I prefer an economic social recession than a country peopled by crooks high of religious and tribal affiliations! It become More dangerous when these agents of disunity are frustrated, Western based religious and tribal bigots who can not practice their religious and tribal mindset without going foul of the laws in the West. This is why people like Farooq Kperogi would a broad daylight election heist done by a few privileged crooks!

Fear who comes in the name of religion & tribalism! Una good evening!

Racoon:

https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2023/09/pepts-verdict-and-task-before-supreme.html Mynd44 nlfpmod

Karishika I mean Kperogi or whatever he calls himself should come out clean and it wholeheartedly, that Tinubu was his choice candidate in the last election, because he ran on his beloved Muslim/Muslim ticket, instead of pretending to be neutral and dishing out half baked 'truths'.

Some valid points here cause personally I wanted to see the actual numbers that voted for other candidates
We saw the figures tempered with and I thought I would see the actual numbers extracted from the data gathered but the learned lawyers failed to read in between the lines
Next time when filling for election tribunals or contesting against elections outcomes learn to employ the services of mathematicians, economists who will extract the real facts before thinking of getting lawyers to push your case because these lawyers only concern is making money most of them are dumb really dumb

I have always known farouq to be a biased writer so it's not surprising. He played down the wrong judgment by saying that it has a far reaching advantage than having justice.
in another length, he is accusing the petitioners of not having strong evidence leaving INEC out of it and lemme tell him, the election results had been since prepared before the actual election took place, he should ask INEC why no state or local government result tallies with what INEC announced.
Even the places that Tinubu won, the ed results o IREV did not match, result were announced where Election did not take place. INEC ed some results from BVAS that no election happened and when the parties involved wanted to inspect the accredited voters on the BVAS, INEC refused and decided to format the BVAS in the name of reconfiguration of the BVAS and refused to do it before the party representatives.
even if the parties provide every polling unit results, INEC will provide times two of that since they have polling unit results of where election did not happen in some states that Tinubu is popular.

The past election is not about Tinubu winning or losing but about the future of the country, this judgment will definitely bring the downfall of this country because by the time another person will do it. I know that those that ed it now will not take.

Imagine saying the 25% votes sin Abuja, if Atiku had gotten highest votes and failed to get 25% in the whole federation, would they have said that no voter is more important than the other?

Anyways, history has a way of repeating itself but the question is when.

OGHENAOGIE:
every party is supposed to have agents at all polling units and before results are itted it's signed by all it's not INEC fault that some mushrooms party claiming they won didn't have agents at all polling units... Uzodinma didn't depend on INEC to win his case... LP PDP had no Case otherwise they would present results they got from all polling units to check if INEC is really lying... What has blurred results to do with election results

what about polling units that election did not take place but results were declared, and when the bvas were to be inspected to establish that, INEC refused?

I assumed you are educated, so could reason differently from e-rodents. Answer this question for us all.
1. If the first line of calculation in. Algebraic equations is wrong, is it possible to get the right answer at the end of the equation?

If yes, why do teachers mark steps, not end answer.

If no, don't you think we deserve to know the steps he too to get ission, especially as he is linked to the darkest world of bad guys; Drug cartels!

Schooling is like algebraic equations. It follows steps!


Mind you, they not asking for early qualifications as you alleged is because they trust their institutions to fish you, but not until Nigerians with Oluwole certificates like Asiwaju started corrupting the trust.

Right now, expect a thorough beam of search lights on any documentation coming from Nigeria!

DeLaRue:


I can't speak to whether Mr Tinubu attended primary or secondary school.

But you might wish to know that there are established pathways to college issions in the UK and the US that doesn't require any previous (primary or secondary qualification or even attendance).

So, I really don't see how Mr Tinubu's case should be different.

What is important is that he claimed to attend a college and a University in the US. If ongoing investigations confirm he did, that should be the end of the line of enquiry about his educational qualification.

If someone graduates with first class, or even third class, why o why should I be interested in the primary school he attended.

Infact in the UK, when applying for a job as a graduate, you mostly don't put details of your primary or secondary school in your CV unless there is a particular attribute relating to those early years that you want to bring out in your CV.

Once you graduate, most employers are simply not interested in the primary school you attended.

The fixation of many Nigerians on irrelevant issues is baffling.

The present predicament or bad situation of Nigeria is due to lack of cognitive reasoning by some electorates making it very easy for the VIPs in the ruling class to totally capture and influence the Nigerian state within their caprises.
But like the saying goes you can't give what you don't have!.
@bigkoko it's never easy to convince someone that is yet emancipated from mental slavery!.



Wittyness

ican2020:
Some valid points here cause personally I wanted to see the actual numbers that voted for other candidates
We saw the figures tempered with and I thought I would see the actual numbers extracted from the data gathered but the learned lawyers failed to read in between the lines
Next time when filling for election tribunals or contesting against elections outcomes learn to employ the services of mathematicians, economists who will extract the real facts before thinking of getting lawyers to push your case because these lawyers only concern is making money most of them are dumb really dumb

the truth is that, some results are blurred and results were declared where election did not happen and you can only prove that with evidence of which INEC refused to make available to the petitioners and when they complained to the court, the judges said that a person has right not to make available any information or document that may make him or her lose a case in court forgetting that INEC is a public property and answerable to all irrespective of been also dragged to the court and the court also endorsed making INEC a party to the case because they conducted the disputed election.

seunmsg:


Since the OP refused to highlight the part above as usual of ers of the Gbajue candidate to always present the false narrative, I’ve taken it upon myself to help him do so. The part in bold is the most important part of the article.

Peter Obi lied to Nigerians that he won the election and will prove it in court. Instead of proving how he won the election, he went to court to get Tinubu disqualified on flimsy grounds. He presented no single evidence of how he won the election. That’s the typical characteristic of a liar and fraudster. He has been exposed for who he truly is, Gbaju e!

Correct 💯

seunmsg:


Very convenient for Uzodinma’s case to come to mind but not David Lyon and Zamfara APC cases.

what happened in the Bayelsa case ?

KillahPriest:
what happened in the Bayelsa case ?

Check www.google.com

Bola is a certified criminal

Dblack:
The petitioners case was made weak because the election umpire cunningly denied to provide sufficient documents for them to prove their case. They could only bank on disqualification of BAT and INEC Guidelines.
So in their final addresses they dwelled on peripherals rather that the election itself.

This made the petitions of the opposition parties watery. Very easy to determine the outcome.

Even the supreme court appeal is nothing but a waste.

You believe in the judicial system in Nigeria, then am really sorry for you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g_-L29evog

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Racoon:

Nonetheless, no neutral, independent-minded person would fail to see that Atiku Abubakar and Peter Obi had really weak cases. If a judicial cabal wrote the PEPT judgement, Atiku and Obi made the job easy for the cabal.

The centerpiece of the electoral petitions against Tinubu’s victory was that Tinubu should be disqualified from running for the last presidential election because of a whole bunch of things they alleged against him, most of which revolved around questions of his irrefutable moral turpitude. Unfortunately, immorality isn't always illegality.

The petitions were high on emotions, conjectures, moral posturing, grandstanding, logical absurdities (such as insisting that candidates must win 25 percent of the FCT to win a presidential election thereby making Abuja more important than every part of Nigeria, that Tinubu should be disqualified for a voluntary civil forfeiture of drug money in the US more than three decades ago, that Tinubu should be disqualified because of false and ignorant claims that he didn't graduate from Chicago State University, or for perjuries he committed more than 20 years ago, etc.) than on legally sound, substantive arguments about the election itself.
https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2023/09/pepts-verdict-and-task-before-supreme.html

This is the meat of the matter. This is what I've been telling them from Day 1.

Hmmm

Bigkoko:
Since I left the shores of Nigeria, one of my saving Grace was I destroyed my Nigerian foisted religious sentiments. I see things the way it should, and this has helped me build a a gigantic homegrown Super Company that stretches from Africa to Europe. A lot of whites are surprised because they thought the business is owned by a white, alas, it's owned part & parcel by a black.

Why this digression?
Religion and tribalism is destroying Nigeria. That is the honest truth. And I find it really disgusting that these tribal and religious bigots can not all unite and have a country of their own!

Farooq Kperogi as a US based Prof is a disgrace! The US he claims to be a citizen is currently searching for clues to indict their president, who obviously has no drug past, no criminal past nor something worthy of an indictment. Why? Because State institutions work! Every leader or person in position of authority is held to the highest quality, and stuffs done years ago is deemed reason enough to send the person packing. Here, this Prof Farooq Kperogi down plays the drug criminal records of Asiwaju! Tufiakwaaaa this kind of people! Instead my religion would make me choose a deadbeat, old grandpa who at best should be at the homes for the elderly who sadly had a drug past, I would rather toss that religion away!

Trump, he mentioned. Wonders shall never end! Same Farooq Kperogi was all over with his stupid write up of all Trump should turn over all his tax records both those mandatory and those voluntary. But it got to that of his Fellow Muslim; Tinubu, he has gone mute. If hypocrisy is a person, from a country, I tell you it's gonna be a Nigerian with a religious and tribal mindset like Farooq Kperogi!


Is Farooq Kperogi aware that CSU has alerted honorable judge Gilbert that they can not authentic the certificate paraded by Asiwaju? Who goes a school, paid his fees, the courses and graduate, yet the school refused officially to authenticate the result purportedly issued by same school!

To be a er of Asiwaju, you be high of tribalism, religious patronage, Agberoism and perhaps something more bodily dangerous; drugs!

Never underestimate the threat pose by religious and tribal bigots, and possibly substance abs. It's worse than economic recession. I prefer an economic social recession than a country peopled by crooks high of religious and tribal affiliations! It become More dangerous when these agents of disunity are frustrated, Western based religious and tribal bigots who can not practice their religious and tribal mindset without going foul of the laws in the West. This is why people like Farooq Kperogi would a broad daylight election heist done by a few privileged crooks!

Fear who comes in the name of religion & tribalism! Una good evening!

The opening paragraph is a lead to what the author has in mind.

Farook Kperogi, what gives you the courage to assume that you are a jack of all trades?
You are only an Islamist parading in the garb of progressive.

Racoon:


https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2023/09/pepts-verdict-and-task-before-supreme.html

Wirinet. Read this article when you have the time.

seunmsg:


Since the OP refused to highlight the part above as usual of ers of the Gbajue candidate to always present the false narrative, I’ve taken it upon myself to help him do so. The part in bold is the most important part of the article.

Peter Obi lied to Nigerians that he won the election and will prove it in court. Instead of proving how he won the election, he went to court to get Tinubu disqualified on flimsy grounds. He presented no single evidence of how he won the election. That’s the typical characteristic of a liar and fraudster. He has been exposed for who he truly is, Gbaju e!

Lolz
Exposed to only the yorubas in APC not Nigerians
Except am not a Nigerian from Edo state🤣
We all know who are the true liars and propagandas.
When INEC refused to grant him the certify copies of the election materials and went ahead to reconfigure the BVAS. That was the end of the case
River state is perfect example and even if u guys try for 100yrs to Come to change the truth, u can never change the fact that Obi won