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Pr0ton:


Why even think of God at all? What brought up the idea in the first place? Anyone claiming it should be the one to prove it. If you can't prove it then it doesn't hold true.

Atheists are certain that God doesn't exist based on finding that what theists started (a certain claim that God exists) is not true. Atheists are just responding to a claim. We are not creating a claim from thin air.

Agnostics on the other hand are considering this claim theists created from thin air and saying no one can disprove it. If it is like that, I can create anything from thin air and claim you can't disprove it and so it might exist. But that isn't the way reality is. Agnostics, like theists, are just obsessed with the concept of God.

A bit naive. If you can't prove something, it's not true? Really? I'm sure there are things that have happened to you that can't prove. We just have to take your word for it
But extraordinary claims require proof.

This is what I'm saying. You are disproving something was never proven to begin with.

How on earth are theists meant to prove something that is invisible ? And how are atheists going to disprove something that was never proved in the first place?
Nobody can ever know.

And people don't come back from the dead. Once dead, that's it. The dead person will never ever know there is a god or not.

1Sharon:


A bit naive. If you can't prove something, it's not true? Really? I'm sure there are things that have happened to you that can't prove. We just have to take your word for it
But extraordinary claims require proof.

This is what I'm saying. You are disproving something was never proven to begin with.

How on earth are theists meant to prove something that is invisible ? And how are atheists going to disprove something that was never proved in the first place?
Nobody can ever know.

And people don't come back from the dead. Once dead, that's it. The dead person will never ever know there is a god or not.

There's no need to disprove anything..

You call it naive...


Those that believe in God call you stupid for not believing....


So, it's not about calling names....


It's not about anyone proving....



Humans have shown that they exist by affecting their environment SO the word 'humans' should be taken seriously....


Nobody had to prove humans exist...

Humans existed even before the word 'humans' came into existence....



It's about definitions.....


Since GOD doesn't have any definition that shows anything ,
Then I am correct when I say I know GOD can't be....



There's no limit to what exists BUT that doesn't mean there is no word that shows nothing real...


Actually,
There are words that show nothing real..


E.g.Utopia,God, Heaven,.....


What else?


PrOton is right...

A001:

I don't understand you. Which assumptions do agnostics live by?

Do you see assumption as possibility or vice versa because that's the impression you gave with this comment?

Where are the assumptions in my post you quoted?

The agnostic doesn't say a god exists or doesn't exist. He/she simply asserts there's no evidence for God's existence or non-existence due to the limitations of our understanding of the Universe using science as a tool and owing to the limitations of our senses.

The agnostic is open-minded and seeks evidence for or against either of the two positions, not just one possibility because if he s either of the two sides, then that's not agnosticism.

Based on our current level of scientific knowledge of the Universe, we may never be able to know as a matter of fact that God exists or doesn't exist at least while on Earth.

You making a possibility an assumption is what differentiates you from an atheist, because you, like an atheist, hold this true of humans not being able to prove some things yet or the talk of staying open minded. We both accept the possibility of a spiritual explanation. But you don't just accept and stop there. You literally let go of other possible explanations and hold on to God being the only chance/alternative. That is clearly seen in the definition of who an agnostic is. That is what I meant by making a possibility an assumption because if it were just a possibility you would be an atheist and not an agnostic. This is why I say you're confused.

1Sharon:


If the Egyptians were blacks and had all those innovations, why didn't sub-saharans reflect that in their climes? Why did they never even have the wheel?

Where did all the black Egyptians suddenly go to?

Post an excerpt from the book please.

Lols, you obviously know very little about the history of Egypt to be asking these questions.

Apparently, you've never taken the time to research the history of the country and the people.

Anyone with basic knowledge of Egypt's history knows the Arabs currently calling themselves Egyptians aren't the original ancient Egyptians. The Arabian presence in the country only began a few centuries ago.

Before the Greeks and Arabs invaded the country, the ancient Egyptians were blacks. The body of evidence in of that assertion is great, ranging from the tons of paintings of their gods and goddesses, to the discovered mummies, arts, to fashion, and even genetic evidence.

To learn the truth of the matter, get good books of ancient African history written by black writers, not the fake, distorted histories (pure lies) the European and Arab conquerors taught to most Africans.

There are some of such books posted on Nairaland, including Otem's.

Even all the countries in North Africa were not originally Arabs (not only Egypt), but blacks (mainly Berbers or Berberians/Barbarians).

HellVictorinho3:



There's no need to disprove anything..

You call it naive...


Those that believe in God call you stupid for not believing....


So, it's not about calling names....


It's not about anyone proving....



Humans have shown that they exist by affecting their environment SO the word 'humans' should be taken seriously....


Nobody had to prove humans exist...

Humans existed even before the word 'humans' came into existence....



It's about definitions.....


Since GOD doesn't have any definition that shows anything ,
Then I am correct when I say I know GOD can't be....



There's no limit to what exists BUT that doesn't mean there is no word that shows nothing real...


Actually,
There are words that show nothing real..


E.g.Utopia,God, Heaven,.....


What else?


PrOton is right...

Please prove to me that an invisible spirit of God exists.

And if you want to disprove it exists, what is it exactly that you want to bring out to show an invisible spirit doesn't exist.

Pls how do you disprove an invisible spirit doesn't exist, what is it you want to say?

A001:

Lols, you obviously know very little about the history of Egypt to be asking these questions.

Apparently, you've never taken the time to research the history of the country and the people.

Anyone with basic knowledge of Egypt's history knows the Arabs currently calling themselves Egyptians aren't the original ancient Egyptians. The Arabian presence in the country only began a few centuries ago.

Before the Greeks and Arabs invaded the country, the ancient Egyptians were blacks. The body of evidence in of that assertion is great, ranging from the tons of paintings of their gods and goddesses, to the discovered mummies, arts, to fashion, and even genetic evidence.

To learn the truth of the matter, get good books of ancient African history written by black writers, not the fake, distorted histories (pure lies) the European and Arab conquerors taught to most Africans.

There are some of such books posted on Nairaland, including Otem's.

Even all the countries in North Africa were not originally Arabs (not only Egypt), but blacks (mainly Berbers or Berberians/Barbarians).

No shit! Obviously Arabs originate from Asia, I know they ain't indigenous.

I've also seen a ton of paintings.of white and brown Egyptians now what?

You never answered any of my questions.

And berbers-the true indigenes of North Africa- are not black.

And one day the dark Religions will die off, and Sweet Sciences shall reign Supreme!

A001:

That's why there are agnostics like me. When scientists present concrete evidence for God's existence, agnosticism will die a natural death.

Given the fact that we know very little about the Universe, one can't conclude that God exists or doesn't exist. Hence, I find the agnostic position convenient.

What evidence can they present for something theists claim is invisible ?

How do you want to prove something you can't see or measure?

Knowing the universe is irrevlant because theists claim God is everywhere.

segunelijah01:
''only the fool would say there is no God''. There is one God, Jesus is His name. He shall reign, His Kingdom and Dominion will never come to an end. Only the sin-free christians (saints) will reign with Him. Amen.

only a fool will offer his hard earned money to a dad who killed his son for y'all idiots..

Blakjewelry:

Can't you see the 'godlessness' and I wanted to say non religious folks

Uh, as an atheist I am godless so what exactly do you mean?

A fool says in his heart there is no God psalm 14:1

1Sharon:


Please and what is God doing to stop it?

Are the incessant prayers falling on deaf ears?

Will He come down from His throne to help us get our shït together? He gave us brains and a conscience for a reason.

Ishilove:

Will He come down from His throne to help us get our shït together? He gave us brains and a conscience for a reason.

He doesn't need to do any of that. He can simply answer prayers for a start.

Pr0ton:


You making a possibility an assumption is what differentiates you from an atheist, because you, like an atheist, hold this true of humans not being able to prove some things yet or the talk of staying open minded. We both accept the possibility of a spiritual explanation. But you don't just accept and stop there. You literally let go of other possible explanations and hold on to God being the only chance/alternative. That is clearly seen in the definition of who an agnostic is. That is what I meant by making a possibility an assumption because if it were just a possibility you would be an atheist and not an agnostic. This is why I say you're confused.

How does saying God might or might not exist mean holding onto God as being the only alternative?

Agnosticism is just a position between the two extremes — atheism and theism.

It's very arrogant of a human that's extremely ignorant about his own planet to assert God doesn't exist as a matter of fact, when he's yet to explore 1% of the Universe, 10% of the world's oceans, and is completely ignorant of most of the things existing or happening even in his immediate environs.

Holding such a position makes you the same as a religionist.

But an agnostic considers that God or gods might exist, is open-minded, and looks to science to solve the riddle with time.

Atheists are dogmatic IMO, just like religious people, though it's still much better to be an atheist than a religionist.

But agnostics are open-minded and prefer to approach these things with a curious, inquisitive approach like a baby.

For an agnostic, it's scientific discoveries and data that determine the truth, not the parochial wishes of an atheist or the ill-informed, superstitious notions of a religionist.

1Sharon:


If the Egyptians were blacks and had all those innovations, why didn't sub-saharans reflect that in their climes? Why did they never even have the wheel?

Where did all the black Egyptians suddenly go to?

Post an excerpt from the book please.

Not every part of a country is equally developed. Egypt was like the climax of African civilizations at that time, so it doesn't mean that all parts of Africa were equally developed at their level. It's same way you have villages, towns, cities, metropolis today. Before Egypt the epicenter had been down in Ethiopia, Sudan, and other parts sub-sahan Africa.

There were many foreign invaders that destroyed the ancient Egyptian civilization, namely:- Hyksos, Persia, Greece, Rome, Arabs, , Britain, etc. The black Egyptians are no longer there because with every invasion the black population kept moving downwards into sub-sahan Africa.

emmyileri:
A fool says in his heart there is no God psalm 14:1

Even the fool knows.

1Sharon:


He doesn't need to do any of that. He can simply answer prayers for a start.

He answers prayers, but he is not going to help us solve what we can solve ourselves

musicwriter:


Not every part of a country is equally developed. Egypt was like the climax of African civilizations at that time, so it doesn't mean that all parts of Africa were equally developed at their level. It's same way you have villages, towns, cities, metropolis today. Before Egypt the epicenter had been down in Ethiopia, Sudan, and other parts sub-sahan Africa.

There were many foreign invaders that destroyed the ancient Egyptian civilization, namely:- Hyksos, Persia, Greece, Rome, Arabs, , Britain, etc. The black Egyptians are no longer there because with every invasion the black population kept moving downwards into sub-sahan Africa.

Doesn't matter they are still the same people
and why didn't they take their knowledge with them as they moved south? Why did sub-saharan Africa never invent the wheel?

Where is your evidence they crossed the Sahara?

1Sharon:


A bit naive. If you can't prove something, it's not true? Really? I'm sure there are things that have happened to you that can't prove. We just have to take your word for it
But extraordinary claims require proof.

This is what I'm saying. You are disproving something was never proven to begin with.

How on earth are theists meant to prove something that is invisible ? And how are atheists going to disprove something that was never proved in the first place?
Nobody can ever know.

And people don't come back from the dead. Once dead, that's it. The dead person will never ever know there is a god or not.

You can disprove the theist God based on what their religion say about the God.

You can disprove God with logic. An instance. A theist says there is God who is all loving/good and all knowing and all powerful. You can disprove that using logic because an entity can not be all good and all knowing at the same time else our reality won't be what it is. What do I mean? Accidents occur. Would an all knowing God know beforehand that an accident is about to occur? Yes. Would an all loving/good God who is also all powerful let the accident occur? No. Why then do accidents exist? Because such God does not exist.

You can disprove God with science. Most theists claim God created the earth in a day. Evidence from science however shows years of sedimentary layering signatures in the earth structure which couldn't have come by in a day. There are other many scientific instances you can disprove theists' claims about their God.

You can disprove God with history. There is a said exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt with God's intervention. A deep study in history shows, with archaeological evidence, there wasn't any exodus from Egypt.

There is the claim that their God commanded a worldwide flooding from the story of Noah. This is both scientifically and historically impossible. If such didn't happen then their God is just a myth.

And so on...

1Sharon:


What evidence can they present for something theists claim is invisible ?

How do you want to prove something you can't see or measure?

Knowing the universe is irrevlant because theists claim God is everywhere.

Some things aren't visible to us but influence our reality.

If God exists as the source/origin of all things, I think astrophysicists and cosmologists will discover it in the future since those experts study the origin and evolution of the Universe.

If something exists, there must be evidence for its existence. If no evidence is offered, then there's no basis to accept it exists.

LordIsaac:
All that is required of them is to have heard the gospel of Christ at least once. Scripture says, the fool saith in his heart that there's no God. There's God o!

And what has this God or whatever you call him done for Nigeria?!! List the benefits of religion in Nigeria since our so-called "Independence"? Explain the current state of the country in this era, the new millinium,21 century?![color=#990000][/color]! ��

Ishilove:

He answers prayers, but he is not going to help us solve what we can solve ourselves

Nigerians have been praying for good governance, wealth, good health, jobs,light. I can't see any of this manifesting in Nigerian society.

If they are looking onto God for answers, that must mean they havent got a clue.

1Sharon:


No shit! Obviously Arabs originate from Asia, I know they ain't indigenous.

I've also seen a ton of paintings.of white and brown Egyptians now what?

You never answered any of my questions.

And berbers-the true indigenes of North Africa- are not black.

Blacks are the first people on this planet, including North Africa.

That's a fact, not a claim. Africa is the cradle of humankind.

A001:

Some things aren't visible to us but influence our reality.

If God exists as the source/origin of all things, I think astrophysicists and cosmologists will discover it in the future since those experts study the origin and evolution of the Universe.

If something exists, there must be evidence for its existence. If no evidence is offered, then there's no basis to accept it exists.

Yes true, but we can measure them and it's effects. Christians say God exists but he's invisible. How do physicists want to measure a spirit?
They also make excuses and say because of sin, he's withdrawn from man so that's why he isn't influencing our reality.

Beware again that there are Christians that believe in evolution. They believe evolution is the source of all things but god just let it happen.

You actually sound like an atheist

A001:

Blacks are the first people on this planet, including North Africa.

That's a fact, not a claim. Africa is the cradle of humankind.

How does stop Berbers from being Caucasian ?

1Sharon:


Nigerians have been praying for good governance, wealth, good health, jobs,light. I can't see any of this manifesting in Nigerian society.

If they are looking onto God for answers, that must mean they havent got a clue.

We are still saying the same thing. He is not going to do for us what we are supposed to do for ourselves. When we are ready for change, he will answer our prayers. For now, we are not ready for genuine change.

1Sharon:


Doesn't matter they are still the same people
and why didn't they take their knowledge with them as they moved south? Why did sub-saharan Africa never invent the wheel?

Where is your evidence they crossed the Sahara?

My brother or sister, we as Africans today have been completely destroyed. Read that again.

We're no longer that ancient great black people. We have been blackmailed and destroyed!!

We've lost our ancient powers and have been imposed a false alien reality that won't allow us create.

And I've found Herodotus's mention of the ancient Egyptians as black. He said "whereas after snow has fallen rain must necessarily come within five days, so that if it snowed in those parts rain would fall there; the third evidence is afforded by the people dwelling there, who are of a black colour by reason of the burning heat. Moreover kites and swallows."

Source: An of Egypt- by Herodotus https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2131/2131-h/2131-h.htm

Our fall didn't happen overnight. I've calculated and it took at least 1,800 years to bring black people to our knees. If you want to know how we fell from grace to grass, I can help you with books. There are 4 books that if you read that question won't be there anymore. You can even begin by reading the article on my blog titled: how Europeans were able to conquer Africa and the rest of the world. The second one is: what's Satan? What's Lucifer?

Our fall didn't happen overnight. It took a long long long time to happen.

Ishilove:

We are still saying the same thing. He is not going to do for us what we are supposed to do for ourselves. When we are ready for change, he will answer our prayers. For now, we are not ready for genuine change.

Ok so of what use is prayer?

1Sharon:


Please prove to me that an invisible spirit of God exists.

And if you want to disprove it exists, what is it exactly that you want to bring out to show an invisible spirit doesn't exist.

Pls how do you disprove an invisible spirit doesn't exist, what is it you want to say?

AOO1 is waiting for an evidence ....


He will never get it....


Nobody will ever get any evidence towards any God whatsoever....


There can never be any evidence towards God....





To prove means to show God or an invisible spirit of God exists, right?


To disprove also means to show that such doesn't exist, right?


So, you want me to BRING OUT something , right

AOO1 is talking about limited understanding of Bla Bla Bla...


Well, I KNOW enough about the universe to state there can never be any evidence towards GOD....

I don't agree with Google that says the universe is the totality of existence BECAUSE it suggests that existence has a beginning and that's impossible...


Existence has no beginning SO there's no limit to what exists...


BUT there are words that show nothing real such as GOD...



1Sharon,

I am speaking as a friend to you....

The only thing I consider necessary to bring out is a condemnation of the definition of God....


I consider the definition of God as the reason why God cannot exist.....

I also consider the definition of the supernatural/spirits as the reason why such cannot exist...

There's no spiritual explanation of anything ....


1Sharon,

I just have to mention your name again,
I can see that you seek knowledge/understanding of certain things...


Well, I consider the definitions of God/spirits/the supernatural as pointlessly impossible..


I see them as the vomit of a dog that only feeds on faeces.....

I hope you're not feeling uncomfortable reading this...
I think you deserve comfort in your environment....


But I just have to say my mind at the same time...
You remind me of Sabr1na...
Another manifestation of something worth memorising...
Unfortunately,we may never meet outside Nairaland....


Damn it!!!!..

Whatever happens to me,
I won't regret certain conversations....

I hope you can now see that it's a matter of definitions...

When I start recording as a rapper,
I'll address these situations...


Anyway,
I also know anyone can come up with anything and call it knowledge or education just as musicwriter calls his stuff realisation...

It's not just about the rhymes!
Damn it!!!
I mean what I'm saying!

I honestly don't know how else to put it...

I think there's need to summarize it...


1Sharon should please consider that Hell Victorinho doesn't have anything else and he doesn't consider anything else necessary to show that the supernatural/spirits/God cannot exist EXCEPT a condemnation of their definitions....


The condemnation is as a result of the failures of their definitions to state what is being demonstrated ...

1Sharon:


Ok so of what use is prayer?

Prayer is a mode of communication between man and the supernatural. Your disbelief does not change the immutable reality of the spiritual. I, personally have never tried to convince anyone about God's existence and the power of prayer, and I'm not about to start now.

Good night, Sharon.

Ynix:
Atheism is a religion na

Actually it isn’t

Atheist tries to make you understand that a human shouldn’t believe but understand, which is why you have brains, cause a regular atheist sees life as nature and should be cared and respected which brings us to loving all that we are for peace of mind to remain ultimate which is happiness

musicwriter:


The whole system against black people is to make sure you don't realize that. You're God but you've been blackmailed and dethroned. The "CA" in Africa means God. The ancient Egyptians call it KA. Afri-KA = God mystery or land of God. Something like that.

January has to do with a God right?

I mean the days of the week,year...

The names of certain places also have to do with Gods, right?

But that's not enough......


You keep repeating Africans have been destroyed!!!




But your repetition is in vain!!

That's how another person like you was saying ALL Africanss should take spiritual stuff specifically what he called African spirituality or was it even ALL Nigerians and Nigerian spirituality seriously?


For what!!!!!??


Why should any form of whatever you call spirituality be compulsory?.....

In fact,

To hell with whatever anyone means by spirituality or whatever kind of spirituality! !!!


Spits on these things!!!!